A funny thing happened on the way to the CTRA servers..

[dawesdust_12]

When did an ogre ever have anything smart to say?

Wait, Sam says tons of smart things!

Fact: Shrek was created from years of researching Sam's eating and living habits.

[SamH]

Dustin.. farting habits. Most important. Resonant trouser trumpets are an artform! ;)

[dawesdust_12]

Bah, the first thing I did beta testing the X-System was reporting Sam for smelling bad, it's the most effective solution, he showered right afterwards!

:)

[SamH]

Bah, the first thing I did beta testing the X-System was reporting Sam for smelling bad, it's the most effective solution, he showered right afterwards!

:)
Pfft! That's what YOU think! I fooled you! I didn't REALLY shower for another 3 weeks! :p

[dawesdust_12]

Ahh, that's why your dad was so whiny... :p

[March Hare]

There is one thing I miss on the blue flag rules.

As a flagged person how do you tell the one behind you of your intentions?
I use the indicators to indicate where I'm going to go. But I've seen on some videos on youtube and such that some times people indicate to the direction they want the following driver to go or on which side thay are going to leave room.

Is there a correct way or should I just stop using it?

There is no mention of this neither in the CTRA server rules nor in the newbie section of the forums.

[Jakg]

There is no "correct" way, however i don't see how ANYONE would think that indicators, which on the road show which way THEY are going to go somehow should do the exact opposite on track.

[SparkyDave]

I salute you Robert, I use the indicators also in the same way, if someone is lapping me or even drafting me I use the signal to clearly show that I am aware of the car behinds intentions to pass, my intentions to allow that to happen safely (for both of us) and expect the following car to pass on the oposite side to that I am indicating thus making it much easyer (and faster) for them to pass.
I thin what you do shows respect and awareness ;)


I too have seen the oposite indicator used and I think this is a location thing, in another thread (I will find it) it was stated that some eastern european HGV drivers signal this way to allow you to pass them on 2 way roads!! now if a 40tonne artic indicated right here in the UK on a 2way road, if you overtake expect to get a: half way alongside the trailer as the driver forces you off the road as he overtakes somthing himself (as he was clearly indicating to do) or b: sees you in one of his 10 or so mirrors, and hits the anchors giving a little parp and a nice 2 fingered salute as you pass the unit, whether you see the tractor doing 25mph ahead in time is, anyones guess?.

b: is more likely because IMO most truck drivers are way better than you avarage car driver at least near where I live, and we get loads of international lorrys passing thru here, as I live close to the main port and 99% are superb drivers.

I didnt find the thread, grrr

S(hic!)D

[csurdongulos]

I too have seen the oposite indicator used and I think this is a location thing, in another thread (I will find it) it was stated that some eastern european HGV drivers signal this way to allow you to pass them on 2 way roads!!

yep, truck drivers here in Hungary do that quite often, they signal to the right to show you that you can overtake them safely, noone is approaching in the other lane.

[VoiD]

...is more likely because IMO most truck drivers are way better than you avarage car driver...

I second that. It´s all about milage and experience.

...truck drivers here in Hungary do that quite often, they signal to the right to show you that you can overtake them safely, noone is approaching in the other lane.

Its the opposite here in germany: Signal on left side means road clear for a save overtake. And yes, we drive right hand...

Watched dozons videos taken from Nordschleife track (I prefer cockpit-view). Same here: the signal shows on what side the guy behind should pass.

[SparkyDave]

Its the opposite here in germany: Signal on left side means road clear for a save overtake. And yes, we drive right hand...

Just out of interest what/ how do people signal if they want to turn left? same way?

SD.

[VoiD]

signal to the left : turn left
signal to the right: turn right
signal on both sides: Housten, we have a problem.

:D

[SparkyDave]

Its the opposite here in germany: Signal on left side means road clear for a save overtake.

signal to the left : turn left
:D

so how do you know the difference? :)

SD.

[sgt.flippy]

About truck drivers being better drivers... it's bull. Here in Belgium we had a test on tv: "the national drivers test". There were 5 teams in the studio, and you could play along at home. The truck drivers ended last!

[GloryJ]

so how do you know the difference? :)

SD.

If there isn't a possibility to turn left i can guess that the driver in front try to tell me that i should overtake on the left (on normal 2 way roads that it's save to overtake).

[richy]

if theres not a possibility to turn left or move to the left, how do you overtake on the left?

What happens if the lorry needs to overtake does he just pull over without indicating or does he indicate the same way then move over while youre overtaking?

how do you know if you cant turn left up ahead if youre behind the lorry, surely if you can see up ahead if you can turn left you can also see if you can overtake and so why is he indicating?

if a lorry driver indicates to you to overtake, and you overtake and crash, how does insurance work out, its your fault right? I mean, over here if you overtake thats your responsibility and so even if someone signals that you can, you still have to judge for yourself on the overtake if it is safe to do so or not. thus, we only indicate in the direction we intend to move in.

am i missing something here? because that format seems quite dangerous!

[tenwierdufos]

Here at the moment the way people in tractors signal its safe to overtake is by completely ignoring you.

If they look back and start shouting abuse then you know youve been waiting too long.

Simple way for a simple folk :D

[james12s]

About truck drivers being better drivers... it's bull. Here in Belgium we had a test on tv: "the national drivers test". There were 5 teams in the studio, and you could play along at home. The truck drivers ended last!
ok that may be true about some truck drivers and the ones in the test are probably of a sertain type dispised by most proper truckers, most truck drivers, especially british long haul are some of the best drivers about

[GloryJ]

if a lorry driver indicates to you to overtake, and you overtake and crash, how does insurance work out, its your fault right? I mean, over here if you overtake thats your responsibility and so even if someone signals that you can, you still have to judge for yourself on the overtake if it is safe to do so or not. thus, we only indicate in the direction we intend to move in.

am i missing something here? because that format seems quite dangerous!

It's the same here. But sometimes the truck car in front can see more then i can and wants to help because he/she know that I'm faster.


I think it really depends on the situation. Normally i know how many cars are in front of me. I can drive a bit to the left (we drive on the right side) and see whats in front of a truck. If thats impossible i can wait some seconds when the truck doesn't start to overtake a tractor or so i can guess that the truck driver wants to show me that i can overtake safely.

If someone signal to the left i would think that he wants me to pass him/her on the left:shrug: Well that won't happen often because I'm slow but now i know that i shouldn't get angry if someone signal left and then drives to the left and want me to pass on the right side:D

[zeugnimod]

Also he only signals to the left once AFAIK so if the light doesn't flash a second time you know that he isn't going to turn left.

[March Hare]

So if it's german behind me I should indicate to the direction I want him/her to go. If it's a brit(or a finn or plenty of other nationalities) I should indicate to the direction I want to go.

Great.
From now on, every time you see me on a server change your racer name to your country so I can indicate to the correct direction.

Maybe the easier way is that I indicate the way I want to go and all you have to do is remember me saying it here. I already have "I BRAKE EARLY!" on my rear bumper maybe I should add "INDICATOR SHOWS MY WAY!" or something similar.

zeugnimog, what if the light bulp in the indicator blows on the first blink?
Scary thought?

[GloryJ]

Here in Germany we drive like antisocials. At least on freeways a lot people don't even use signal lights to show others that they want to overtake so we can use them to show the car behind that it's save to overtake :D

[dawesdust_12]

You only drive like antisocials..?

:p

[Bean0]

Here in Germany we drive like antisocials. At least on freeways a lot people don't even use signal lights to show others that they want to overtake so we can use them to show the car behind that it's save to overtake :D

Maybe the 'German-ness' of the car is affecting the behaviour of BMW drivers here in the UK too :shrug:

I've never seen anything on the road indicate to show the car behind that it is safe to pass, I have seen the driver of a JCB stick his arm out of the window and wave 'pass me' though.

[GloryJ]

Maybe the 'German-ness' of the car is affecting the behaviour of BMW drivers here in the UK too :shrug:

BMW and Mercedes drivers are the worst :D

[STROBE]

Maybe the 'German-ness' of the car is affecting the behaviour of BMW drivers here in the UK too :shrug:
BMWs have indicators??? :confused:

[sgt.flippy]

BMWs have indicators??? :confused:
They are talking about the fist shaking right?

[Jakg]

I've never seen anything on the road indicate to show the car behind that it is safe to pass, I have seen the driver of a JCB stick his arm out of the window and wave 'pass me' though.Snap, only replace "JCB" with "Tractor" in a Suffolk-ian Scrawl. :P

Of course, it seems stupid that you would be told that indicators, to INDICATE where you are going would then be used to say something else, though, however useful their function may be.


I know in Ireland using the Hazards as a way of saying "Thanks" is popular, though, but it doesn't confuse other road users.

[GloryJ]

There trucks to that too but like that
signal left
signal right
signal left

[tenwierdufos]

Beamer drivers are the worst i agree, having a Renault myself i find they enjoy pulling out of a junction infront of me about 20 meters ahead to see how good my brakes and horn is.

Oh well, they dont last very long before they get written off anyway :scratchch

[teedot]

Beamer drivers are the worst i agree, having a Renault myself i find they enjoy pulling out of a junction infront of me about 20 meters ahead to see how good my brakes and horn is.

they have a tendency to cut off or get in front of everyone they can... because they're more important (in their minds....):smileypul

[james12s]

they have a tendency to cut off or get in front of everyone they can... because they're more important (in their minds....):smileypul





beauty of driving a lifted land rover with huge tires, you just go straight over the top lol, problem is i only drive this in my dreams *sigh* lol

[SamH]

A chat thread. :)

[james12s]

lol sam like it

[SamH]

I merged the indicator natter posts here :)

[dawesdust_12]

When did I make this thread?!

[Hoppers]

Aaahhh, the joys of generalizing and having a go at people because of the car they drive in.

BTW, I drive a beamer...

[james12s]

not all bmw drivers are bad drivers but it seems that alot of bad drivers do drive bmw's

[tenwierdufos]

not all bmw drivers do it, only 99.999% of them

just like not all rover drivers are only on the road on a sunday at 10mph, just 99.999% of them are :P

[james12s]

lol very true nick

[Funnybear]

I have a pathological hatred of all things Beemer shaped. I drive pretty much all day every day on all sorts of roads in all sorts of conditions and Beemer drivers are by far the worst. And I will go out of my way to make their day even more stressed and fraught as their driving seems to indicate they are having by using my lifted, big wheeled Land Rover (And thats not a dream, man I love that girl, but more of that later) to really cramp their driving style. If it's middle laneing it's a beemer. If it's going 40 in a 50 then it's a beemer driven by an old person. If it comes screaming up behind you light ablaze whilst your already breaking the speed limit then its a young BMW driver, can't scare a 4 andahalf tonne landrover out the way. But a 4 andahalf Tonne landrover can go some way to scaring the bejeezus out of an M3 driver. Hehe. I make it my days mission to find BMW's and hunt them down with ruthless joviality. To bring those phone using, speed freakin', glory huntin', over payed, antisocial playground bullies of the open road to Justice.

Then once I've finished with them I move onto Merc's. 5litres below the hood and they won't go above 40. IN A 60 LIMIT!!! Then they have the audacity to get upset when I'm so far up thier arse I could have retuned the radio . . . . . BAD DRIVERS SUCK!!!

And then it's old people. Old people should be restricted to driving between the hours of 04.00.00 and 04.00.01. You'd think you would get the message when you hear on the traffic report that the road your on seems to be under a rolling roadblock situation but from where your sat the road is perfectly clear.
'Speed check dear, what does that sign say?'
'It say's Fifty Miles per hour Dear.'
'Very good dear, I'm doing 45.3 miles per hour as per my timed calculations over a quarter mile.'
'Not according to your speedometer deer, that appears to be reading 30mph'.
'Just goes to show how much you can't trust technology dear.'
'I'm sure a little faster won't hurt dear.'
'No need, no need. Everything is under control. I shall engine brake at every roundabout too dear, don't want to blow those Brake light bulbs too soon either dear.'

And stick old people in A BMW and/or a mercedes. It just drives me insane. Only today some old blokey pulled out infront of my on a dual carriageway. I mean, a landrover isn't small. Plus I drive with the lights on just to really get the message across. And yet with barely inches to spare over they come. I don't know if they just didn't see me or whether landrovers in the rear view mirror appear further away than they really are . . . . And trust me, you know when you got one of our landrovers mere inches from your back bumper roaring along at 70 miles an hour.

I think they should completly tighten up the driving test. So what if the vast majority fail. It will take more cars of the road (Good for the envroment), take more numpties of the road (Good for my health) and make more people get of thier fat lazy arses and get to work in a more proactive manner (Good for their health)

See, me for president. Come the revolution. Who want's to be my transport minister.

Did I mention I've just brought a BMW? No. Oh. But it's ok because I'm the 0.01% that are actually any good.

[sgt.flippy]

Like I'm gonna read all that!

[james12s]

4.5 tonne land rover, hhhhhhhmmmm, pics?

[Bean0]

*snip*

Did I mention I've just brought a BMW? No. Oh. But it's ok because I'm the 0.01% that are actually any good.

Bloody illiterate BMW drivers :rolleyes: :p

[james12s]

i love the 4.5 tonne landie bit, that would be a 6x6 which is serious land rover nut terretory

[Hoppers]

I have a pathological hatred of all things Beemer shaped.
Did I mention I've just brought a BMW? No. Oh. But it's ok because I'm the 0.01% that are actually any good.

That doesn't seem very consistent does it?

But off-course, you're a Beemer driver. Those are the most unconsistent people on earth.

[SparkyDave]

IIRC Scawen drives a beamer :)

Great read Funnybear ;) Ive seen those old folks driving, normally in a Volvo lol :)

my dad (nearly 70years) drives at 50mph everywhere :) round the corners, on the straights everywhere, 50 on the dot, makes me laugh :)
on the Motorways he ups it a little but I think he worrys about using up all the fuel too fast :)

UK Drivers worst habits, my top 6:
1/ No indications what so ever, bad lane discipline
2/ Speeding/tailgating (younger drivers)
3/ Too slow on clear roads (older drivers)
4/ Fog lights on when its just raining
5/ No lights on at all in heavy rain/snow etc
6/ Middle lane driving (mway 3 lane)
:)
SD.

[sgt.flippy]

That's the best excuse ever for speeding:
I wanted to get to the petrol station before I run out!

[james12s]

lol,the fog light one is so bad, and inability to use roundabouts, i am only 15 but spent many years in trucks going all over europe and the uk and i understand how a roundabout works but people are very rarely tought properly and it is really anoying, this is also the place especially near were i live that people just do not indicate

[Funnybear]

Bloody illiterate BMW drivers :rolleyes: :p

Bugger . . . .

[Christofire]

4/ Fog lights .

<much gnashing of teeth>

I'd say >50% of UK drivers don't know how or when to use fogs. There seem to be:

I'll put them on because they look cool, so I'll look cool! Look at me! Please!
I'll put them on because it's foggy (but then forget to turn them off again for three months).
I don't know they're on because my son put them on (see 1).
It's so foggy you can't see your hand, but I won't put them on.
It's a tiny bit misty, or my windscreen has misted up. I'll put the fog lights on in case.
The water spray is so bad that you can just see what looks like small, very low clouds, but I won't put them on.
We're sat in a traffic jam in the rain, so I'll put them on and keep my foot on the brakes. I'm sure the driver behind doesn't really need their retinas.As I drive not an inconsiderable amount of miles myself, you do see some very, er, "creative" interpretations of the highway code. :)

[Hoppers]

<much gnashing of teeth>

I'd say >50% of UK drivers don't know how or when to use fogs. There seem to be:

I'll put them on because they look cool, so I'll look cool! Look at me! Please!
I'll put them on because it's foggy (but then forget to turn them off again for three months).
I don't know they're on because my son put them on (see 1).
It's so foggy you can't see your hand, but I won't put them on.
It's a tiny bit misty, or my windscreen has misted up. I'll put the fog lights on in case.
The water spray is so bad that you can just see what looks like small, very low clouds, but I won't put them on.
We're sat in a traffic jam in the rain, so I'll put them on and keep my foot on the brakes. I'm sure the driver behind doesn't really need their retinas.As I drive not an inconsiderable amount of miles myself, you do see some very, er, "creative" interpretations of the highway code. :)

You forgot:


Ooooh, I wonder what this button does?

[james12s]

lol the only time it is good,safe and lawful to use them other than in fog is in extremly heavy rain were visibility is similar to heavy fog, and even when i was like 8 i could spot people breaking the road laws, in the truck me and my father would look out and sopt as many different traffic offences and rule breaking we could

[Jouman]

Also he only signals to the left once AFAIK so if the light doesn't flash a second time you know that he isn't going to turn left.

How about with the newer cars today, they tend to have the system that when you touch the indicator once it flashes three times. :scratchch
I used to signal somebody if they wanted to pass, but not anymore just because of this.

I know in Ireland using the Hazards as a way of saying "Thanks" is popular, though, but it doesn't confuse other road users.


Seen this happen here in finland also, a bit funny when first the guy ahead indicates to the right (its ok to pass), then the other car passes using indicators to switch lanes and after returning to the correct lane he indicates once to the left saing "thanks" and the other responds with the hazards "your welcome". :D

[james12s]

lol

[SamH]

Jouman, what's the indicator sequence for "your passenger looks hot.. wouldn't mind a piece of that!"?

[james12s]

even better in a truck when the certian hot passenger is a passenger in a soft top lol, lift landrovers are also a good place to be lol

[Jouman]

Jouman, what's the indicator sequence for "your passenger looks hot.. wouldn't mind a piece of that!"?

The indicator isn't enough. You'll need couple of horns in there too. :smileypul
horn - horn - right - left and hazards. I think that should do the trick :razz:

[james12s]

big airhorns on trucks are good for that too, they also soucnd a little bit like cooorrrrrr
as in cccoooooorrrrrrr shes hot lol

[SamH]

hehehe!

[NoPistons]

we have indicators in LFS?:really: HTF did I miss that. someone please explain.

[SparkyDave]

we have indicators in LFS?:really: HTF did I miss that. someone please explain.

the top number keys on your KB
7= left
8= right
9= hazzards
0= off

:)
SD.

[NoPistons]

very cool, I had no idea. no way I am gonna remember that while racing, but god to know, for when I crash, and need to limp back to the pits.

[Funnybear]

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v152/226/60/668560169/n668560169_642726_491.jpg

It's down there somewhere. Wouldn't mind racing one of them around BW Rallyx.

Not the best pic of the little lady. But I don't actually take pictures of my work vehicles as a matter of course.

[james12s]

nice little hardtop 110, is it a diesel or petrol and what year, im gonna try and guess what engine it has

[March Hare]

I'd put my money on the TD5.

[james12s]

same, very popular with utility companies, i was gonna say its either the td5 or magbe 300tdi but i didnt want to look like an idiot if it was petrol,lol

[MikeBlue]

IIRC Scawen drives a beamer

UK Drivers worst habits, my top 6:
1/ No indications what so ever, bad lane discipline
2/ Speeding/tailgating (younger drivers)
3/ Too slow on clear roads (older drivers)
4/ Fog lights on when its just raining
5/ No lights on at all in heavy rain/snow etc
6/ Middle lane driving (mway 3 lane)

SD.

France driver does all of that (often lol)
and you could also add:

7/ Driving close (very close) to the car ahead:razz:

[james12s]

that is the same as tailgating, meaning sit on the tail of someones elses car (the car in front)

[MikeBlue]

Oh ok thanks, that's my english lesson :-)

[james12s]

:) i can see why it confused you, with it being put with speeding

[LordBlaster]

so far as i was driving through europe on some holidays i always
thought that every country i´ve "driven in" has better drivers and more secure driving in common as we have here in germany :shrug:

ah maybe except italy :D

but i must admit that i´m more like one of the "bad guys", as i
like to drive fast and think most people should better stay at home
and watch tv instead of trying to show how slow a 200hp car can
be driven :D

[SamH]

I'm surprised the yanks haven't questioned "tailgating". To them, that's sitting in a parking lot at a football game with a grill and a few beers :)

[March Hare]

Hi Ho! and all that.

What's it about when someone joins a CTRA server and is instantly kicked?

[Jakg]

They dont have the license to join that server.

[March Hare]

OK. Thanks. Been wondering about that.

[SamH]

They do also get a nice personalised message explaining why they're being kicked, and to visit the website for more information. You may have noticed that some of them refuse to read the message, and repeatedly try to re-join. There's nothing we can do for them, I'm afraid! :)

[Funnybear]

There is something you can do for them. Darwin had the right idea but unfortuantly we could be arrested for it . . .

nice little hardtop 110, is it a diesel or petrol and what year, im gonna try and guess what engine it has

TD5. Shifts quite good considering what it is. Limited to 75 though. Although I am seeing if I can break it.

Been getting it very dirty recently. Fields, mud, slippidy slidey and a winch to pull you out when you get stuck. Love it.

[james12s]

yeah td5 is a good engine,very distinct sound, ide leave the limiter, use it as cruise control :) unless you are payed on a jobs done basis, also if you keep the vehcale at home and they dont look under the bonnet, think about an egr kit, better mid rang, i take it that it is company owned

[tenwierdufos]

pish td5, cant beat a 90 with an 80's rover v8 dumped into it :D

my mum had a td5 with the worst designed electrics ever concived, at one point every time you pressed a switch a fuse blew, at the best time we got it so it would only blow a fuse when you turned the indicators off ::thumb:

[March Hare]

Knew it!

I've read the TD5 is a DIY mans nightmare.
The Rover 3.5 V8 on the other hand...


On a CTRA related note:
I'm getting close to Gold... PANIC!

Just checked MyCTRA today, or yesterday because it's now 2:55, and WHAM! Just over 250 points to go! What am I to do?
I can't even pass people unless they make a mistake.
Maybe I should ask Sam to dock a few points.


BTW, do dismissed reports agains you show up on the MyCTRA page?

[SamH]

BTW, do dismissed reports agains you show up on the MyCTRA page?
Nahh.. dismissed reports don't show. They're treated by MyCTRA as deleted by admin rather than the reporting driver, but still effectively deleted. The admins can still see them, and occasionally it helps them to build a larger picture. 10 dismissed reports against a driver for the same thing can build a picture of a problem with an aspect of a driver's racecraft that may need addressing at some point, even if the net result isn't a warning. The driver may benefit from a quick talking to by an admin, to highlight a problem for them to fix. It has happened that way a couple of times. :)

[chanoman315]

When did an ogre ever have anything smart to say?

Wait, Sam says tons of smart things!

Fact: Shrek was created from years of researching Sam's eating and living habits.



ROFL!! HAHAHAHAHAHA thats awesome... good research dude

[flymike91]

No we call it tailgating as well Sam. Truck drivers here are pretty good. If they can't keep up with traffic (they usually do) they will pull off the road and let a few cars pass. there is an obscure law here in california about how many cars can be behind you until you have to pull over, but nobody knows it.

[StableX]

I'm surprised the yanks haven't questioned "tailgating". To them, that's sitting in a parking lot at a football game with a grill and a few beers :)

deleted!

[Viper93]

No we call it tailgating as well Sam. Truck drivers here are pretty good. If they can't keep up with traffic (they usually do) they will pull off the road and let a few cars pass. there is an obscure law here in california about how many cars can be behind you until you have to pull over, but nobody knows it.

It's not very obscure at all. Wisconsin has one (IIRC it's 10) and the UK has it aswell (7) they never follow it though, maybe it's because the police are too busy filling in paperwork to actually enforce any of the laws. Or could be they all neded counciling because they had to handle a weapon? I donno.

[tenwierdufos]

An issue with the UK though, especially this area is, where are they supposed to pull over?

If britians A and B roads are anything like they are here in Derbysire, if a HGV pulled over, they would never make it back onto the road lol.

and you cant just stop in the road because people behind you couldnt see past you to get round safley anyway :shrug:

Mabye a good law in some places, but its not known because most the time its not possibe :thumb:

[james12s]

well in preton we used to have to do a delivery, when my dad was driving rigids in the uk, it was right out in the country, and one day it was raining and he went to the side of the road to let someone past and the very edge of the road gave and the truck went sideways into the ditch

[March Hare]

Well now I've really done it.

Have a question about Race 2 and it does coincide with Race 3 too.

What is the correct way to react to the faster class?
On the Race 2 I drive like I'm being blue flagged when ever one of the LRF class aproatches me from behind. Whether it's lapping me or has previously spun and is therefore behind me (or what ever).

On the Race 3 this is harder because there is no visual difference between the GTR and GT2 classes. Other than the fact that the car is gaining on you pretty darn quickly on the straights.

[SamH]

That's a fine question, I reckon!

The hard-nosed rule is that TBO let the LRF through, and GT2 let the GTR through. Different classes, they're not competing. That said, though...

In Race 2, both the TBO and LRF are Silver-licenced, and while the LRF is *largely* able to pull away, I've seen a few times where there is little or nothing to separate them.

The LRF lines up on the front of the grid. If it's that much better, it should be able to pull away into the distance. If one or more of the LRF drivers can't put a gap between the TBO and themselves, then I'd consider them fair game to compete against. Seeing an FXO go against an FZ50 does definitely provide some entertainment. The FZ50 gets away on the straights, but it can be caught in the corners. It's a good battle, usually. I'm all for on-track battling, and if it's between two different classes, then so be it.. particularly in this circumstance. :tilt:

Race 3 is a slightly different story. The GTRs really are significantly quicker in most places, except some of the SO City tracks. Even there, they're usually able to make quite a bit of a gap. Ultimately, the GTRs should be able to pull away into the sunset unhindered by the GT2s. I would treat a GTR as a blue flag, if it's coming up on you. You can generally tell the GTRs because they come from nowhere and park firmly on your bumper. :)

[niels1]

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Race 3 is a slightly different story. The GTRs really are significantly quicker in most places, except some of the SO City tracks. Even there, they're usually able to make quite a bit of a gap. Ultimately, the GTRs should be able to pull away into the sunset unhindered by the GT2s. I would treat a GTR as a blue flag, if it's coming up on you. You can generally tell the GTRs because they come from nowhere and park firmly on your bumper. :)

I do not fully agree with you on this 1, sam :shrug:. I think when youre driving a GTR you should be aware of the slower cars on track. In the GTR your so much faster. So with that comes some responsebilty. I never overtake a GT2 only on a straight track. Go really wide so they see me overtake. Youre that much faster so it shouldnt be a problem. You can wait that extra corner, you have the speed coming out of the corner to overtake easily. Well thats at least what I do.

[SamH]

I do not fully agree with you on this 1, sam :shrug:. I think when youre driving a GTR you should be aware of the slower cars on track. In the GTR your so much faster. So with that comes some responsebilty. I never overtake a GT2 only on a straight track. Go really wide so they see me overtake. Youre that much faster so it shouldnt be a problem. You can wait that extra corner, you have the speed coming out of the corner to overtake easily. Well thats at least what I do.
No, I agree with you. It's always the responsibility of the car that's overtaking to undertake the move responsibly. The question was really about whether or not a GT2 car should challenge the overtake or not. :)

[niels1]

No, I agree with you. It's always the responsibility of the car that's overtaking to undertake the move responsibly. The question was really about whether or not a GT2 car should challenge the overtake or not. :)

Ooooops got that wrong. :D

Well if its for a position. Well I would say that the GTR has to overtake. But with the caution mention below. When I am driven GT2 I do let the GTR past me. There normaly way to quick and you cant have a battle with them due to the much higher speed.

I indeed gave them room, no need to get ran of track while there 2 different classes. But if people are holding there position and defending there line they are not wrong either. So still no answer.

I say do it poilte and give the GTR the room to overtake.

[March Hare]

This chat topic is turning out to be very informative.

What about passing?
Can you guys pass a driver who doesn't make mistakes?
I can pass only when they make a mistake. Afterwards I'm always like "w00t I passed someone! Go me!" and make a mess of it in the next corner and they go flying by.

I sometimes can tailgate other drivers, on the straights, but I don't have enough speed to pass. If I change my line to go around I lose the small speed difference and have a bad line to the next turn.
If I hang on to their rear bumper for the whole straight I end up braking early, because I definitely don't want to hit them while braking. So on the next straight I, once again, use all the speed difference just to gain my previous place at their rear bumper just before the braking zone. Repeat untill race ends.

[Dru]

Ooooops got that wrong. :D

Well if its for a position. Well I would say that the GTR has to overtake. But with the caution mention below. When I am driven GT2 I do let the GTR past me. There normaly way to quick and you cant have a battle with them due to the much higher speed.

I indeed gave them room, no need to get ran of track while there 2 different classes. But if people are holding there position and defending there line they are not wrong either. So still no answer.

I say do it poilte and give the GTR the room to overtake.


Niels is an excellent example of how a GT1 Driver should be with the GT2 cars :thumb:

My only critism is with some GT1 cars (which ultimately are passing becuase they joined late or have been off the road - rather than lapping) is that they dive past you in the braking zone at the end of the straight and then come to an almost stand still as ultimately on most mid to speed corners the GT2's have the edge on cornering speed :shrug:

[Bean0]

Niels is an excellent example of how a GT1 Driver should be with the GT2 cars :thumb:

My only critism is with some GT1 cars (which ultimately are passing becuase they joined late or have been off the road - rather than lapping) is that they dive past you in the braking zone at the end of the straight and then come to an almost stand still as ultimately on most mid to speed corners the GT2's have the edge on cornering speed :shrug:

Anyone who has joined midrace shouldn't be interfering, and someone who has had an off would be passing for position anyway.

I don't hit the GTR server as much as I should :shy:, but on the TBO/LRF server I make a point of not interfering with a TBO battle if I've caught them up in an FZ or LX after joining midrace.
If I have the opportunity to scream past on a long straight like at AS Nat then I'll take it, but yesterday I followed (at a distance) a TBO battle round SO5 for the last couple of laps...was a good spectating position :)

[tenwierdufos]

Doncha just love it when mindless chatter actually helps people :x