Round 4 Aston Grand Prix [Archive]

Scoop

5th January 2008, 09:19

1st qual sesion: 20 jan 21:00 CET
2nd qual sesion: 25 jan 21:00 CET
Race time: 27 jan 16:00 CET
Server is going to be: LFS GT - by esport-racing.com
Pw: lfsgt

Post:
Team - car number - car
Driver real name - lfsw name - nationality

GT1
1 #03 - Team Inferno - FZR - 2:39:10
2 #8 - Finnish Automobile Club - XRR - 2:39:42
3 #74 - n1Racing - FZR - 2:39:57
4 #58 - LFSLA - XRR - 2:40:42
5 #7 - eXcite-Racing.de - FZR - 2:40:60
6 #04 - Northstar R4R - FZR - 2:41:24
7 #33 - TPS-Racing - FXR - 2:41:46
8 #95 - Team FinalGear - FXR - 2:41:54
9 #46 - MCS720 - XRR - 2:42:43
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11
12
13
14

GT2
1 #72 - c4Racing - XFR - 3:02:76
2 #59 - LFSLA - XFR - 3:02:99
3 #75 - n1Racing - UFR - 3:03:09
4 #99 - AutoMotoTrke.net - XFR - 3:03:17
5 #69 - Karma Racing - XFR
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7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14

First qual session
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/73/s3r3q1va4.png

Second qual session
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1293/s3r4q2ob5.png

Mr.Sing

5th January 2008, 09:30

eXcite-Racing.de #7 FZR

N.Heiden (Mr.Sing) Ger
M.Leisterer (Michael Leisterer) Ger

Kirill.D

5th January 2008, 10:32

c4Racing #72 GT2 : XFR

K.Dremljuga (Kirill.D) EST
P.Mäekivi (Priitmek) EST
E.Liibeon (Egon-est) EST

Big.H

7th January 2008, 06:28

TPS-Racing - #33 (FXR)

H. Thelen - Big.H - GER
P. Dreisbach - paXton - GER

Profi

7th January 2008, 09:25

FAC - Finnish Automobile Club - #8

JJ Nylander - Oxygene - FIN
P. Lehto - plehto - FIN

baSh0r

7th January 2008, 12:05

Team Inferno - #03 (FZR)

M. Golombeck - bash0r - GER
J. Dombrowski - commander - GER
M. Krönke - dpalonso - GER

Scott_Michaels

7th January 2008, 19:38

Northstar R4R - #04 (FZR)

Scott_Michaels (GBR)
Brendan Kaczmarek - Wildride (USA)
Joseph Mudrak - Kardum31 (USA)

Oxygene

11th January 2008, 10:25

Question concerning penalty weights, it looks like MoE is going to use some ballast in FZR, if so will lfs-gt use that too or not?

baSh0r

11th January 2008, 14:04

i hope not, im glad that those standart weight crap is over. we should keep it as it is, whats the fastest car anyway? im completely uninformed

Scoop

12th January 2008, 09:32

We will not use any extra weight for this race, let's see how it goes. Then i'll make a decision about weight.

cmckowen

12th January 2008, 11:21

i hope not, im glad that those standart weight crap is over. we should keep it as it is, whats the fastest car anyway? im completely uninformed

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=36992

Thats a link to the thread about the talks that have been about the balancing of the classes.

Long story short for the GT1 class, your LFS GT GT1. The FZR will be quicker on race pace than the XRR with ease unless some weight is added to remove a few tenths from its lap times. Even though the WR times are close the two cars have different race paces. The current testing in MoE is that the FZR might have an additional 15kg of weight.

Scott_Michaels

12th January 2008, 14:43

So the weight would be the only change I need to make?

Sorry, I'm new and I'm trying to work out why I'm 5 seconds off the pace :scratchch

baSh0r

13th January 2008, 11:53

whats the sense in adding weights... thats crap in my opinion. Finally the cars are balanced and now the weight adding starts again. We had a 12h Race last weekend and we had no chance against the XRR on as4r, they were 1 second faster without even driving fast. It really depends on the Track.

burnsy1882

14th January 2008, 23:21

Team FinalGear - # 95 (FXR)

K.Burns - USA
L.Kaczmarek - CAN

J.s.S

16th January 2008, 11:51

n1Racing - #74 (FZR)

V. Rantala - jahvetti - FIN
J. Silvo - J.s.S - FIN

#75 (UFR)

T. Lepola - Seme - FIN
J. Toikka - Psilok - FIN

baSh0r

18th January 2008, 20:39

till when is it allowed to change the driver lineup

Scoop

18th January 2008, 20:41

well i would like to know the driver list a few hours before the actual race start.

PUPILO

19th January 2008, 03:17

#69 Karma Racing (FXR)

R. Gamito - PUPILO - Portugal
D. Bandeja - FUZZYBULL - Portugal

Scoop

19th January 2008, 07:05

#69 Karma Racing (FXR)

R. Gamito - PUPILO - Portugal
D. Bandeja - FUZZYBULL - Portugal

U mean XFR right? :scratchch

PUPILO

20th January 2008, 03:01

U mean XFR right? :scratchch

ya, lol! wrong again...

Dragonmen

20th January 2008, 10:25

#99 - GT2/XFR - AMT - AutoMotoTrke.net Sim Racing Team

[Serbia] Milan Zarić AMT|DJeranDOS (http://www.lfsworld.net/?win=stats&racer=DJeranDOS)
[Serbia] Miodrag Denić AMT|Miki D (http://www.lfsworld.net/?win=stats&racer=Miki%20D)

Locovich

20th January 2008, 15:20

always the same trouble with our local time.... qualy starts at 18hs UTC? i m always confused....:scratchch

baSh0r

20th January 2008, 17:10

i guess its 20h in UTC, we got winter time in CET so its -1h

Drizzt_ZA

20th January 2008, 17:37

Hi Guys,

All the best for the new year, MCS720 will be at the race...

Pieter Geldenhuys (Nucron)
Steven Pelser (Drizzt_ZA)

Car no #46

Catch you later

Drizzt_ZA

20th January 2008, 19:24

Hey guys, is the server up yet? Password does not seem to be working ?

baSh0r

20th January 2008, 19:29

looks like the old moe password is still set

Drizzt_ZA

20th January 2008, 19:33

Any idea what it is?

Scoop

20th January 2008, 20:09

i'm sorry for what hapened, had a few personal problems made me late :(( i see toni has taken over qual thank you very much

Scoop

20th January 2008, 21:09

Results of the first qual session are up again sorry for the screw up and thank you toni for the rapid response to the situation :thumb:

plehto

20th January 2008, 21:17

Scoop, would you care to explain why there is no added ballast for the fzr?
I believe moe 24h is enough to demonstrate that the 15kg of added weight is more than suitable. With that ballast cars were somewhat equal, as xrr gained time by having 2 or 3 pitstops less during the whole race.
Now as we only have a 3 hour race and 2 stops, the ballast is essential in my oppinion.

Scoop

20th January 2008, 21:36

Well let's say the fzr uses about 20-30% more fuel on a stint then the XRR and i think that is somewhere around 15-20kg, and also considering you with an XRR are faster after the first qual session then the fzr i don't see the point. I consider the balance we have now to be very good, just because 15kg of penalty weight was used in MoE it does in no way obligate me to do the same here. If i do see huge difference on track for this race, it will be reconsider until then no change.

Scott_Michaels

20th January 2008, 22:29

My team tried to make it to Q1 but none of us have ever received the final password?
Are we still allowed to participate in Q2 and the race?

Edit: Now I see that the password wasn't changed 'til later in the session...

baSh0r

20th January 2008, 22:30

you know that in the MoE Westhill was dominated by XRR?

by the way fzr uses 100%

plehto

20th January 2008, 22:41

Ah i see, we are balancing drivers not cars :scratchch

Rooble

20th January 2008, 23:06

you know that in the MoE Westhill was dominated by XRR?

by the way fzr uses 100%

Don't confuse the car with the drivers, Mercury dominated Westhill and not the XRR - The FZR had the pace a few weeks later in the eTM (even faster in some places) - However the XRR had the tyre advantage because Jonesy had worked day and night on a setup to allow for us to get 2 more laps then the FZR.

The FZR will slaughter the XRR @ ASGP with no added weight, feel free to disagree but without a weight penality the FZR will easily be 2 seconds a lap faster maybe even 3 with faster drivers.

plehto

21st January 2008, 09:11

Well maybe not quite that much, but around 0.7 seconds.

Profi

21st January 2008, 09:49

...considering you with an XRR are faster after the first qual session then the fzr i don't see the point. I consider the balance we have now to be very good

I was watching the quali and saw n1 and Inferno drivers do a lot of mistakes. They will be a lot faster in the second quali as they will do some practising. Lehto's time was already quite good for XRR, under 1s away from Mooney's MoE qualifying time. And you know Mooney, his pace is quite... well... bawbaggish. In MoE the FZRs could do same times even with the ballast.

you know that in the MoE Westhill was dominated by XRR?

by the way fzr uses 100%

I have to say that you probably shouldn't compare this situation to the old balance. The tires have changed, the gearboxes have changed and indeed, the ballasts have changed. If I recall correctly you FZRs had 50kg more bonus weight onboard than we XRRs did.

I haven't driven this combo myself so I can't tell about my experiences on XRR or FZR. I've just read a lot about MoE balancing and watched the 24h race and the 15kg didn't seem to put FZR into shame. I also understand the FZR teams. You don't want to give the others any free advantage on the track. Neither would we want to.

baSh0r

21st January 2008, 14:54

sorry profi i completely forgot we got patch Y :) you guys saw that fzr was still faster in MoE. It just depends on the Track. Every Patch the same: uuuhh XRR too fast, uhhh Fzr too fast. there is really no balacing possible which fits to every track :scratchch

Chriskart

23rd January 2008, 14:08

The FZR will slaughter the XRR @ ASGP with no added weight, feel free to disagree but without a weight penality the FZR will easily be 2 seconds a lap faster maybe even 3 with faster drivers.

:D

For this track the 15kg penalty on the FZR seems very good! The XRR has a slight advantage with it being able to keep on racing for 28 - 29 laps (iirc), but the FZR was faster during the 25 laps it could be driven. Also, to make the XRR go (nearly) as fast as the other car, you really have to polish your driving to the limit, as it's nowhere near as rewarding as the FZR.. :)

The MoE admins did lots of work with this, and in the end i think most teams were happy with the outcome :thumbsup:

Bawbag

23rd January 2008, 17:04

In doing 28 or 29 laps the XRR is still generally slower than the FZR with full fuel though and to go faster on 80degree tyres it's quite hard. :)

plehto

23rd January 2008, 21:57

In doing 28 or 29 laps the XRR is still generally slower than the FZR with full fuel though and to go faster on 80degree tyres it's quite hard. :)

Indeed. Although there isn't a need to drive stints that long in lfs-gt due to the 3 hour race time.

Locovich

24th January 2008, 20:43

LFSLA #58 GT1 (XRR)

becker, M. Zanlungo, Argentina
locovich, R. Dario, Argentina
diego fr, R. Diego, Argentina

LFSLA #59 GT2 (XFR)

germangoose, F. Garcia Doego, Argentina
koa128, P. Navarrete, Argentina
-javif-, J. Fiorotto, Argentina

baSh0r

24th January 2008, 21:51

::::Driver Update::::

Team Inferno - #03 (FZR)

M. Golombeck - bash0r - GER
V. Szabo - csurdongulos - HUN
M. Krönke - dpalonso - GER

Scoop

25th January 2008, 18:31

Second qual session will start in 1.5 hours, server is already set up for those of you who want a bit of practice before the qualy

baSh0r

25th January 2008, 18:40

good job alex

Scoop

25th January 2008, 19:49

MoE server seams down we move to the back-up server

back-up server: lfs gt
pw: lfsgt

or search for username: Scoop, i'm waiting there

baSh0r

25th January 2008, 21:15

Qualifign 2

Scoop

25th January 2008, 21:19

Sorry for the server problems in this 2nd session, the race server will be sorted with time to spare if the MoE server does not come back online, check the forum everything will be posted here.

Scoop

26th January 2008, 06:32

Grids have been updated, if you see any mistakes do point them out, have e relaxing weekend :tilt:

Dragonmen

26th January 2008, 15:30

Grids have been updated, if you see any mistakes do point them out, have e relaxing weekend :tilt:

We are not on the list for GT2...

AutoMotoTrke.net Sim Racing Team - #99

Scoop

26th January 2008, 16:06

Must've missed it,fixed now.

Kirill.D

26th January 2008, 16:47

Lol , still not, AutoMotoTrke.net are not in list, there are 2 Karma Racing's now :D

J.s.S

26th January 2008, 18:06

updated n1Racing driver lineup http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=677589#post677589

Primoz isn't driving, so only Psilok and Seme in GT2

baSh0r

26th January 2008, 18:35

scoop, you wrote 1:42 instead of 2:42 at the last Gt1 Team in the grid .

Scoop

27th January 2008, 11:47

We are going to use for the race the same server we used for qual on friday:

Server name: LFS GT - by esport-racing.com
pw:lfsgt

burnsy1882

27th January 2008, 14:30

it'd be nice if you were able to get who owns the server to put it up on the relay, so the other drivers could watch with RS or remote.

Scoop

27th January 2008, 14:31

There are just 14 cars on the grid so drivers can stay on the server, even if they are not driving at the time so u can follow the race.

burnsy1882

27th January 2008, 14:46

well, i guess nevermind about getting the server on the relay, Team FG needs to pull out.

"During the last qualification, she threw a rod right through the oil pan, sending all kinds of shrapnel through the oiling system before we could get her into the pits and shut her down. Unfortunately, we're a small team, with an equally small budget."
http://burnsy.no-ip.info/finalgear/images/piston1.png
http://burnsy.no-ip.info/finalgear/images/piston2.png

- catastrophic failure of one of our member's computer.

Scott_Michaels

27th January 2008, 18:21

Fun first race... we were a bit off the pace, and our inexperience showed. I started the race on R2s (forgot to change it from qual), so had to fix that in the pits. Then I lost a tyre at the end of my run so had to pit early and switch to Joe. Joe was a little uncomfortable in the car so was a few seconds a lap off me but was fairly consistent, although he too blew a tyre at the end of his stint. Then I got back in and put in a good stint, but unfortunatley the early stops meant we needed to pit for a 4th time a few laps from the end. Still we only ended up 90 seconds from 6th so are fairly happy with that.
We'll be better prepared for next one, thats for sure. Considering this was our first ever LFS race I think we did Ok :)

Cya next time!
#04 Northstar R4R