Rain light on GTR and UFR/XFRs

[duke_toaster]

Well, rather simple. A lot of classes of circuit using classes have a rain light/rear marker light - even tintops. See example in GTR2, they either have a rear marker light or another light wired up to function as one.

They also flash when the pit limiter is active, which is the more useful part of it at the moment.

[J@tko]

Well, rather simple. A lot of classes of circuit using classes have a rain light/rear marker light - even tintops. See example in GTR2, they either have a rear marker light or another light wired up to function as one.


But we have no rain....... :(

But when we do, +1 for realism.

[duke_toaster]

But we have no rain....... :(

But when we do, +1 for realism.

They're also use for pit limiters.

[sgt.flippy]

But we have no rain....... :(

But when we do, +1 for realism.
His pic states it also blinks while the pit limiter is on... Just like the BF1 has. The rain light on that is other than that useless to, but it does have it.
And on the note of lighting, I'd suggest making the rear lights also light up when flashing the headlights. Always found it very odd they don't light up.

[ajp71]

There's no requirement for GT cars to have a separate rain light, they normally just use the standard fog light. How many GT classes actually require a flashing pit speed limiter light?

[sgt.flippy]

And another thing. The pic you show is from a Viper, which has a third braking light in that position in the street car. So it's not really an add-on for racing. In your pic it's just differently shaped than the real one.

[AstroBoy]

There's no requirement for GT cars to have a separate rain light, they normally just use the standard fog light. How many GT classes actually require a flashing pit speed limiter light?

But it would look cool :D

[spookthehamster]

And on the note of lighting, I'd suggest making the rear lights also light up when flashing the headlights. Always found it very odd they don't light up.

Because they don't in real life. In LFS we're just flashing the lights, not turning them on. If there was a switch to turn the lights on constantly then I'd expect the rears to come on.

[BlueFlame]

His pic states it also blinks while the pit limiter is on... Just like the BF1 has. The rain light on that is other than that useless to, but it does have it.
And on the note of lighting, I'd suggest making the rear lights also light up when flashing the headlights. Always found it very odd they don't light up.
So you are saying your brake lights should be flashing when you are flashing your headlights? hmmm not really going to work in a race that one is it? a lightswitch for headlights would be good, but we don't have nighttime racing:<

[sgt.flippy]

Because they don't in real life. In LFS we're just flashing the lights, not turning them on. If there was a switch to turn the lights on constantly then I'd expect the rears to come on.
So the lights we flash in LFS are the high beams? In that case they're pretty weak actually :D But that's maybe because we don't see it emit light... It just doesn't look like high beams. More like park lights.

@BlueFlame: like I just said, I thought we were flashing the regular driving lights. And I didn't say the brake lights should light up, but the rear lights...

[Gunn]

Many road cars (and bikes) have a "passing light" function which is used to notify a car ahead of you that you are going to (or wish to) pass. The passing light function does not light up the rear driving lights.

[sgt.flippy]

Many road cars (and bikes) have a "passing light" function which is used to notify a car ahead of you that you are going to (or wish to) pass. The passing light function does not light up the rear driving lights.
Never heard about that. The only lights I know are the parking lights (normals in the back, very weak in the front), driving lights, brighter in the front, same in the back, and high beams, very bright at front, and nothing at the back.

But problem is, in LFS you can't see what light is actually on... Because we can't see the intensity of the light. For all we know the brake lights would be super blindingly strong... we just can't see :D

[ajp71]

Many road cars (and bikes) have a "passing light" function which is used to notify a car ahead of you that you are going to (or wish to) pass. The passing light function does not light up the rear driving lights.

You're not meant to flash your lights when you want to pass someone. I respond to morons that flash their lights with a flash of the brake lights or better still, if you're not on a completely straight road, you can just loose them, which really annoys them when you've got less than half the power :D

[Gunn]

You're not meant to flash your lights when you want to pass someone. I respond to morons that flash their lights with a flash of the brake lights or better still, if you're not on a completely straight road, you can just loose them, which really annoys them when you've got less than half the power :DPassing lights were invented to flash people. It wasn't such a big deal back when road rage did not exist. My first motorcycle (http://www.mourneman.co.uk/motorbikes/bikes/honda_400_4/index.shtml) had a setting on the light switch for "passing". You'd push it with your thumb and it would spring back to the off position when you released it. Oops, showing my age now.

[Jakg]

My first motorcycle (http://www.mourneman.co.uk/motorbikes/bikes/honda_400_4/index.shtml) had a setting on the light switch for "passing". You'd push it with your thumb and it would spring back to the off position when you released it. Oops, showing my age now.My bike does the same thing, it has two seperate bulbs, and when you hit the button both come on. One comes on in Dipped mode, the other for full beam.

I always assumed this was the "flash" switch, as this is what's it's labled as in the manual.

[Gunn]

I always assumed this was the "flash" switch, as this is what's it's labled as in the manual.On my old bikes it was named "pass". It was courteous and safe to flash a vehicle before passing, back in the day. :tilt:

[ajp71]

Passing lights were invented to flash people. It wasn't such a big deal back when road rage did not exist. My first motorcycle (http://www.mourneman.co.uk/motorbikes/bikes/honda_400_4/index.shtml) had a setting on the light switch for "passing". You'd push it with your thumb and it would spring back to the off position when you released it. Oops, showing my age now.

Your indicators and road stance should make it blindingly obvious you want to pass, it's not as if bikers normally bother to signal or half the time check the road is clear before they pass you anyway :shrug:

[Jakg]

Your indicators and road stance should make it blindingly obvious you want to pass, it's not as if bikers normally bother to signal or half the time check the road is clear before they pass you anyway :shrug:...it's not like Car drivers bother to look, leave any room or dip their lights for bikers anyway...

[spookthehamster]

I'd always been taught that the purpose of flashing one's lights was to alert other road users to your presence. In many countries it's illegal to flash people to get them to move out of your way, and while it's probably not illegal in the UK, it's certainly bad manners.

Like many others, the sight of flashed headlights in my mirror will cause me to slow down to as slow as I can possibly go without the person behind being able to pass. I travel at or slightly above the speed limit anyway (compensating for an under-reading speedo), so there's no need to be hassling me.

[J@tko]

[off topic]
Many a road accident has been caused on the continent by a misunderstanding of customs. If you flash your lights in Britain, it usually means 'come on through' or 'thanks'. On the Continent it means 'get out my way, I'm coming through!' [/off topic]

[ajp71]

...it's not like Car drivers bother to look, leave any room or dip their lights for bikers anyway...

That's true round town but I was referring to idiots on big bikes out for a Sunday ride treating the Cotswolds like a track day. I used to drive a regular route every Sunday along some really nice fast roads, although still pretty narrow bumpy and tree lined with lots of blind crests and corners so by no means safe. The Focus was great fun along said roads but as you can guess it wasn't fast in a straight line, I could guarantee that in a half hour of spirited driving at least one bike would come past me a lot faster than me then cut in far too close and slam the brakes on (because they're slower round the corners than cars), this nearly caught me out several times. That's not to say there weren't faster cars out on the road overtaking me but they never caused a problem because they didn't treat it like a race track.

[micha1980de]

But we have no rain....... :(

Yet :tilt:

[Jakg]

I'd always been taught that the purpose of flashing one's lights was to alert other road users to your presence.However using them like this isn't practical - suppose i come to a T-Junction, and i have Right-Of-Way. The car at the junction appears to be pulling out, so i flash my lights to show that i'm there and have right of way.

He thinks your flashing your lights to let him out, and you end up with a nasty impact.
That's true round town...I have a very limited experience on bikes (ie my bikes got under 1,500 KM on the clock since i bought it), however thats from my experience on country roads. Typically the roads i go on are narrow (aka the fun ones :P), and i find that some retards think that because theres no white line in the middle they can use BOTH sides of the road. If theres a car coming, they'd pull over, but as my bike is only a few feet wide. they think that *I* should pull over, and so don't move of the middle of the road, of even brake.

Had an incident about a month ago where a lorry was in the middle of the road doing about 50, and the road wasn't even wide enough for 2 cars to drive side by side - he didn't slow down at ALL, and i realised that i either got off the road, or i'd end up on the grill. I managed to pull onto a farm-track, however it was covered in shi... i mean mud, and so the bike toppeled over. The driver didn't even brake and just carried on driving in the middle of the road without enough room for me to pass on the side anway.

Another thing that irks me is dipping your lights - i always make sure that if i see a car coming (ie by the headlights before seeing the actual car) i always dip my lights. If *I* do it, why the **** can't most drivers be bothered to move their hand a few inches and dip theirs? I'm riding through the cold and night, and i do it, and yet their sitting in their nice warm car and can't be bothered...!

Can't comment on overtaking, as as you'd expect, i don't do a whole lot of that on a bike with a 50 mph top speed.

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[ajp71]

However using them like this isn't practical - suppose i come to a T-Junction, and i have Right-Of-Way. The car at the junction appears to be pulling out, so i flash my lights to show that i'm there and have right of way.


Very few moving vehicles decide to let you out, of course it is possible to get confused, but it should be pretty blindingly obvious.


Had an incident about a month ago where a lorry was in the middle of the road doing about 50, and the road wasn't even wide enough for 2 cars to drive side by side - he didn't slow down at ALL, and i realised that i either got off the road, or i'd end up on the grill. I managed to pull onto a farm-track, however it was covered in shi... i mean mud, and so the bike toppeled over. The driver didn't even brake and just carried on driving in the middle of the road without enough room for me to pass on the side anway.


It wouldn't have been going nearly as fast as you think it was and probably would have stopped if you hadn't got out of the way. Most commercial vehicles will do anything to avoid slowing down though and due to their sheer size a lorry has priority over everything except a Range Rover Sport.


Another thing that irks me is dipping your lights - i always make sure that if i see a car coming (ie by the headlights before seeing the actual car) i always dip my lights. If *I* do it, why the **** can't most drivers be bothered to move their hand a few inches and dip theirs? I'm riding through the cold and night, and i do it, and yet their sitting in their nice warm car and can't be bothered...!


How often does that cause you a problem given your other comments about cars/lorries approaching you on dark roads are you sure your lights are working and bright enough? It sounds to me like people just can't see you.

[Gunn]

It is called a passing light because it was used to let the car in front know that you were overtaking. I didn't invent the device or its name, I can only tell you about its history. :)

[BlueFlame]

Passing lights were invented to flash people. It wasn't such a big deal back when road rage did not exist. My first motorcycle (http://www.mourneman.co.uk/motorbikes/bikes/honda_400_4/index.shtml) had a setting on the light switch for "passing". You'd push it with your thumb and it would spring back to the off position when you released it. Oops, showing my age now.
I don't believe they were ever.. MADE for 'passing' it's just an alternate use for this fuction of headlights now. Like J@tko said, where I am from also, flashing your lights is a gesture to allow someone to pull infront or go ahead of you. As for bikers, well.... there is 3 types : 1st one is : I have a bike because I don't have a car. The 2nd one is : I like japanese bikes that scream to 16000000000000000rpm for nothing when I can't ride for **** (probobly the same ones Ajp was talking about). And then finally you have historic bike riders, which are the most respectable out of the lot, you know these old-timers know how to ride a bike, but these idiots on Superbikes thinking they can get their knee down and slide a bike around like Ruben Xaus.

[Gunn]

I don't believe they were ever.. MADE for 'passing'.Believe what you want, I've given you the truth but I won't waste my time forcing it down your throat. If you ever see an old bike and wonder what the "pass" setting is for, now you know, if you chose to learn. But nobody's going to get upset if you chose not to learn. It's a free world.

[ajp71]

It is called a passing light because it was used to let the car in front know that you were overtaking. I didn't invent the device or its name, I can only tell you about its history. :)

Well they probably are but I still don't recommend using them as intended then (unless you're particularly keen to sample a Focus boot lid) ;)

[wheel4hummer]

I just hold down the horn for a good 5 seconds, it has many uses:
- Alert someone of your presence
- Tell them to get out of the way

I think its pretty obvious you aren't telling them to "go" if you hold the horn for that long.

[BlueFlame]

Believe what you want, I've given you the truth but I won't waste my time forcing it down your throat. If you ever see an old bike and wonder what the "pass" setting is for, now you know, if you chose to learn. But nobody's going to get upset if you chose not to learn. It's a free world.
Yea, i don't really KNOW what sharp object you are sitting on, but you seem to jump to the conclusion I was/am against you, all I said was that i didn't believe these were made for Passing, the bike you had probobly had a badly translated manual anyway, so going directly what a japanese-2-english Manual says isn't really the clearest path to find out the true meaning of something, as japanese translations can be quite difficult to disypher

[ajp71]

I just hold down the horn for a good 5 seconds, it has many uses:
- Alert someone of your presence
- Tell them to get out of the way

I think its pretty obvious you aren't telling them to "go" if you hold the horn for that long.

I think you're joking but I never know with you :)

[Gunn]

Yea, i don't really KNOW what sharp object you are sitting on, but you seem to jump to the conclusion I was/am against you, all I said was that i didn't believe these were made for Passing, the bike you had probobly had a badly translated manual anyway, so going directly what a japanese-2-english Manual says isn't really the clearest path to find out the true meaning of something, as japanese translations can be quite difficult to disypherNope, I didn't think you were against me, I just want you to realise that what I've said is true :). Plenty of old vehicles were the same, not just Japanese ones. Back then passing was different than it is now. For one, there were a lot less cars on the road and most were pretty slow compared to a bike. It was in the best interests of the rider to let the car ahead know it was coming alongside. If you've ever been run off the road on a bike you'll understand why it is important to be seen by car drivers.
I think it would be sad if you glossed over the points I've highlighted, there's something to learn there. That's all I'm saying.

Japanese translates quite well actually. It's a simply-structured language an not difficult to grasp.

[BlueFlame]

Nope, I didn't think you were against me, I just want you to realise that what I've said is true :). Plenty of old vehicles were the same, not just Japanese ones. Back then passing was different than it is now. For one, there were a lot less cars on the road and most were pretty slow compared to a bike. It was in the best interests of the rider to let the car ahead know it was coming alongside. If you've ever been run off the road on a bike you'll understand why it is important to be seen by car drivers.
I think it would be sad if you glossed over the points I've highlighted, there's something to learn there. That's all I'm saying.

Japanese translates quite well actually. It's a simply-structured language an not difficult to grasp.
Well, i'll accept you have more experience (in life AND on a bike) than I do, but OT : Japanese clearly isn't easy to Translate into english. Guess what this quote is talking about "Full of sport mind & luxury feeling super potential in winter wheel iver." Or this one, talking about the SAME type of product "Just a Roller Skate grand touring, All over the physical ironic power." Can you even understand that? :D Cos eventhough i know what product it is... It's just stupidly inaccurate, SENSELESS quotings:D