Calendar Discussion

[J@tko]

This is the thread to discuss the 2008 LFS Beginner's Cup calendar.

Here is the most up-to date version:

3/2/08 R1: Blackwood GP - XFG/XRG - 10 laps
10/2/08 R2: Fern Bay Rallycross - ALL Road Cars- 14 laps
17/2/08 R3: South City Chicane Course Reverse- UF-BR/XF-BR - 14 laps
24/2/08 R4: Aston North - FXO/RB4/XRT - 7 laps
2/3/08 R5: http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=47170&d=1200214218 - MRT - 28 laps
9/3/08 R6: Kyoto National Reverse a la Rockingham - FBM - 9 laps
16/3/08 R7: South City Long - XRR/FXR/FZR (enduro) - 20 laps w/pit stop
30/3/08 R8: Fern Bay Black - RAC/LX4/FZ5 - 5 laps - This race is at 7pm BST

Please discuss improvements.

[jimaxx]

Dont wanna sound like a noob :( But can you post the full track names in so i can get some practice in? :razz:

[J@tko]

Dont wanna sound like a noob :( But can you post the full track names in so i can get some practice in? :razz:

Done :thumb:. Sorry for the confusing names. I can never remember the numbers (eg SO3) so I use shorthand instead. Looks like this is the final calendar.

[jimaxx]

Done :thumb:. Sorry for the confusing names. I can never remember the numbers (eg SO3) so I use shorthand instead. Looks like this is the final calendar.

Thanks <3 (in a non gay way) :razz:

[J@tko]

Changed calendar. Round 3 sees debut of XF-Baby R and a change of circuit. The Sprint 2 circuit only has 16 grid slots, and we may exceed this in entries. So, we have moved to South City Chicane Course Reverse.

Also, Round 5 is now at Kyoto National Reverse a la Rockingham. (KY national Reverse with extra chicane) This was because the FBM is too slow to go round the whole banking, so there is now a chicane there.

Layout attached for practice.

[JO53PHS]

I've just edited the chicane so it is easier to see when the chicane is coming up. Editing is done with permission of the creator.

Can you please look at this J@tko and PM me with your thoughts. Make sure the creator (sorry forgot his name) takes a look at this.

I'm happy to stay with the original layout if you don't like this one :D

[TFalke55]

Make sure the creator (sorry forgot his name) takes a look at this.

I'm happy to stay with the original layout if you don't like this one :D
here's the creator with this message :razz: (:D thoght already that it's for the beginner's cup):

well... the reason that there were no barriers was that if you make a mistake, you have the chance to recover. these barriers are unvorgiving... I would prefer using bals or tyres for this... that it's uploaded should as well give you the chance to learn where the braking point is... but these lines and the signs are good in this context, because they are eyecatching fixpoints...

[JO53PHS]

I could change the barriers to bales or posts...maybe :shrug:

[J@tko]

braking point

Found a big problem. With my Blackwood setup (as little wing as possible and warm tyres) I can take it flat easily. Which doesn't solve the problem as I'm on the limiter again afterwards.

@TFalke55 - How would you reccommend tightening it?

[JO53PHS]

We could either make the chicane tighter or move it further back along the track.:shrug:

[TFalke55]

Well... that problem I noticed as well, so I did something like this... a very smooth tightening. Now the chicane is quiet narrow, but i think not much more narrow then at FE Club. I could add the indicating lines and signs, sothat you can use it....

EDIT: uploaded a replay of the tightened chicane and the camera file for Soeren Scharf's LFS TV Director 0.2 , sothat broadcasting is easy for you ;)

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

10/2/08 R2: Fern Bay Rallycross - ALL Road Cars- 14 laps

I'm not sure about this...To my understanding, the road cars include - UF1,XFG,XRG,LX4,LX6,RB4,FXO,XRT,RAC,FZ5 - right?

17/2/08 R3: South City Chicane Course Reverse- UF-BR/XF-BR - 25 laps

Just wondering where the 'BR' is coming from?

23/3/08 R7: Fern Bay Black - RAC/LX4/FZ6* - 5 laps

Are these cars even matched in terms of performance?
*typo - FZ5

[J@tko]

I'm not sure about this...To my understanding, the road cars include - UF1,XFG,XRG,LX4,LX6,RB4,FXO,XRT,RAC,FZ5 - right?

Yep. Around that combo - the fastest are RB4, LX4 and 6 and FZ5



Just wondering where the 'BR' is coming from?
Baby-R - 45% restriction for UFR and 43% for xfr.

Are these cars even matched in terms of performance?
*typo - FZ5

(I knew about the typo - I was testing you :schwitz:!)
Well, the actual class is FZ5, RAC and LX6, but the LX6 is quite a bit (a couple of seconds) faster around FE Black, so I put the LX4 in, as it has about the same lap time as the other two. (see LFSW WRs.)

[JO53PHS]

I edited the layout to give you a further choice of layouts - I don't know what one you want to use but i'm just showing you my idea :D

Its the same thing as the other one I showed you but the barriers are replaced with bales and with another addition.

Attached are screenshots and the layout file.

[Technique]

Please excuse my ignorance but what's:
UF-BR/XF-BR, and FZ6. What's the BR designation? FZ6? Is that supposed to be FZ5 or FZR?

[JO53PHS]

Please excuse my ignorance but what's:
UF-BR/XF-BR, and FZ6. What's the BR designation? FZ6? Is that supposed to be FZ5 or FZR?

FZ6 is a typo... should be FZ5 :D

and the UF-BR is the UF-Baby-R, UFR, 45% intake restriction

The XF-BR is the XF-Baby R, XFR, 43% intake restriction (designed by J@tko and myself to be a competitior to the UF-BR :)

[J@tko]

Please excuse my ignorance but what's:
UF-BR/XF-BR, and FZ6. What's the BR designation? FZ6? Is that supposed to be FZ5 or FZR?


BR=Baby-R - 45% restriction for UFR and 42% for xfr.

FZ6 is supposed to be FZ5 - it was a typo which I thought I had corrected, but didn't.


:thumbsup:


@JO53PHS - Was it 43 or 42? My default XF-Baby-R setup says 42.

[JO53PHS]

Baby-R - 45% restriction for UFR and 42% for xfr.

When did it become 42%?

[JO53PHS]

:thumbsup:


@JO53PHS - Was it 43 or 42? My default XF-Baby-R setup says 42.

I swear on my life it was 43% - check the thread you made

[J@tko]

When did it become 42%?

See post above - was it 42 or 43.

THOUGHT: I'll go and check the XF-Baby-R thread.

[JO53PHS]

See post above - was it 42 or 43.

THOUGHT: I'll go and check the XF-Baby-R thread.

Are you sure you didn't steal my thought?

[J@tko]

Are you sure you didn't steal my thought?

Nope, I was typing the same time you were. It is 43 - My mistake.

[JO53PHS]

Looked at the edited layout yet?? :D

[dekojester]

I edited the layout to give you a further choice of layouts - I don't know what one you want to use but i'm just showing you my idea :D

Its the same thing as the other one I showed you but the barriers are replaced with bales and with another addition.

Attached are screenshots and the layout file.

Okay, this is just from looking at the screenies (Don't flaming bannana me ! I haven't touched LFS on a PC since November 19th !), but is that the pit entry or out ? I'm sure that no one will pit because it will cook their race in our series, but if that's the pit exit, I'm a bit concerned about blending with pit exiting and people off the track. When I get S2 this coming weekend, I'll give this layout a try and see if my feelings are worth it or not.

[J@tko]

Okay, this is just from looking at the screenies (Don't flaming bannana me ! I haven't touched LFS on a PC since November 19th !), but is that the pit entry or out ? I'm sure that no one will pit because it will cook their race in our series, but if that's the pit exit, I'm a bit concerned about blending with pit exiting and people off the track. When I get S2 this coming weekend, I'll give this layout a try and see if my feelings are worth it or not.

That was my gut feeling too. I doubt anyone will pit as the only damage anyone will get is from hitting other people (but they won't do that will they :)) If they do, then we'll have to think of a solution.

[dekojester]

That was my gut feeling too. I doubt anyone will pit as the only damage anyone will get is from hitting other people (but they won't do that will they :)) If they do, then we'll have to think of a solution.

I will give the layout a test as soon as I get S2 and make any comments. If I'm cool with it, I'll give it my Charlie Whiting-esque stamp of approval.

If the chicane does its job, I expect that the speeds will be slow enough to negate the issue.

[JO53PHS]

I could try and change the pit exit to make it safer somehow...:shrug:

[JO53PHS]

Just drew some racing lines on one of the screenshots.

The yellow line is the line that (I assume) cars on track will take.

The green line is the line that cars leaving the pits will take

Cars leaving the pits are put on a collision course with cars on track :schwitz:

[JO53PHS]

Sorry for triple post - forgot attatchment

[J@tko]

Sorry for triple post - forgot attatchment


The actual chicane is fine - slows me down to 100mph/5th gear.

Should we close the pitlane for this race?

I'm trying to think of the pitlane exit @ Rockingam - I'll go and research this.

[JO53PHS]

Two Images showing racing lines / speeds and the Improvements I made

(cars travelling in race at about 115 MPH is a bit optimistic :))

[JO53PHS]

Is this (http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/race-tracks/rockingham4041.jpg) the rockingham you're talking about?

I'm not sure but the I think the closest Racing circuit to me is Brands Hatch.

Or wimbledon stadium - if you can call that a racing track :shrug:

[J@tko]

Is this (http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/race-tracks/rockingham4041.jpg) the rockingham you're talking about?

Yep. Go about 10 miles in the direction of the copyright (c) and that's my house.

[JO53PHS]

KY National / Oval is almost a rockingham replica :D

[J@tko]

KY National / Oval is almost a rockingham replica :D

That's why I chose it. The one major difference is that the Kyoto Oval is much bigger, and so the infield is much more open - the infield at Rockingham is tighter.

[JO53PHS]

Try and take my latest version of the chicane faster than 110 MPH in the FBM :D

one way to get around the pit problem would be to make the pit exit on the grass lol

[J@tko]

Try and take my latest version of the chicane faster than 110 MPH in the FBM :D

I'll try - but It'll be quite hard! Can you do it? :)

one way to get around the pit problem would be to make the pit exit on the grass lol

I did think of that, and if it was a road car round I would have suggested it - but FBM + grass = disaster!

[JO53PHS]

Well, 109 / 110 MPH :D

Is what I managed

[TFalke55]

well, just a question, did you look my suggestion... it really slower (means about 100 KPH through the chicane, also means, that the speed is very similar to the Pit Exit speed, and because the fact, that seeing the barriers might irritate, I set the barrier chicane in the recovery lane abit farer away...

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=655368#post655368

(to use the layout, play the replay and press shift+U and then there appears a button called "save layout")

[J@tko]

well, just a question, did you look my suggestion... it really slower (means about 100 KPH through the chicane, also means, that the speed is very similar to the Pit Exit speed, and because the fact, that seeing the barriers might irritate, I set the barrier chicane in the recovery lane abit farer away...

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=655368#post655368

(to use the layout, play the replay and press shift+U and then there appears a button called "save layout")

Ah, for some reason, I thought that layout was the same one that JO53PHS submitted yesterday. I'll try it in a few mins.

[JO53PHS]

The picture explains the good and bad points about this version of the chicane. :D

[J@tko]

The picture explains the good and bad points about this version of the chicane. :D

I had noticed about the start of the race - the race will probably start under safety car and the cars will be released on the straight afterwards.

[JO53PHS]

I had noticed about the start of the race - the race will probably start under safety car and the cars will be released on the straight afterwards.

Have you arranged a SC yet?

Can I be the SC for that race lol? :D

[J@tko]

Have you arranged a SC yet?

Dekojester will be SC. There will also be a safety car at the endurance round and maybe at some others too.

[JO53PHS]

Has he got an SC skin yet - if not i'd be happy to make one especially for the Begginers Cup - if you want a specific design or colours. :D

[J@tko]

Has he got an SC skin yet - if not i'd be happy to make one especially for the Begginers Cup - if you want a specific design or colours. :D

PM him and see.

[JO53PHS]

Just PMed him about the skin

If I make a skin:

What colours/design and writing do you want on it and

What car?

[J@tko]

Just PMed him about the skin

If I make a skin:

What colours/design and writing do you want on it and

What car?

Colours: Really dont mind. For a design - I was thinking of one a bit like the F1 safety car here (http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/03/clkf1car06.jpg), but with LFS Beginner's Cup on the bonnet and everywhere else it says F1. If you did the XFR (my choice) then could you put LFS Beginner's Cup on the visor please.

[JO53PHS]

Shall I make one for the XFR now or wait for a reply from dekojester?

Do you want any Battenburg patterns on it (see here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Batternburg-highways.svg) and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Batternburg-fire.svg))

Or safety stripes (http://www.rossandbonnyman.co.uk/bpic/53AmbulanceLift.jpg) thing

Do you want it silver like the F1 SC?

[JO53PHS]

/me wants a reply :nod:

[J@tko]

Shall I make one for the XFR now or wait for a reply from dekojester?

Do you want any Battenburg patterns on it (see here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Batternburg-highways.svg) and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Batternburg-fire.svg))

Or safety stripes (http://www.rossandbonnyman.co.uk/bpic/53AmbulanceLift.jpg) thing

Do you want it silver like the F1 SC?

(alright, alright - I'm here now! - Having lunch!)

You can make one now anyway if you want to. Black or silver is fine. Some of the Battenburg pattens on the rear and maybe some on the sides and front bumber too.

[JO53PHS]

Red and yellow or black and yellow battenburgs

Black or silver - I want you to like this skin. :D

[J@tko]

I'm just finishing off the Rockingham Chicane for the Kyoto Round. We're adding some tyres e.t.c to make it more beginner friendly.

[niall09]

What is the point of all road cars on one round. It just wont work. FZ5/LX/RAC will own the TBOs.

Your best bet would be to use the TBOs as they offer the closest racing in the game. Also, the LRF class is just way too hard to drive for beginners :shrug:

Sorry if I misinterpreted it :shy:

How will Dakojester be SC, if he only has demo licence? :tilt:

[J@tko]

What is the point of all road cars on one round. It just wont work. FZ5/LX/RAC will own the TBOs.

It's an RX round - the RB4, LXs and FZ5 are all v. close in lap times.

How will Dakojester be SC, if he only has demo licence? :tilt:

He's getting S2 at the weekend.

[TomMK]

No FOX? It's the best car!!

[niall09]

It's an RX round - the RB4, LXs and FZ5 are all v. close in lap times.



He's getting S2 at the weekend.

Ah,ok, i didnt know it was rallyx :)

No FOX? It's the best car!!

Not really :p

[JO53PHS]

I made the SC skin for the XFR

please suggest Improvements if you think of any because I want you to like this skin!

[J@tko]

Kyoto/Rockingham is now finished. Please everyone download for practice!

[J@tko]

Any one spot the deliberate mistake in the calendar at the top of the thread? (not you JO53PHS - I've told you:))

[JO53PHS]

I was expecting a few more tyres but never mind :shrug: :D

[J@tko]

I was expecting a few more tyres but never mind :shrug: :D

I did put some more in but too many tyres means more damage if people hit them.

[JO53PHS]

Ok :)

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

Any one spot the deliberate mistake in the calendar at the top of the thread? (not you JO53PHS - I've told you:))

Oh you rebel, two round 5's!

[J@tko]

Oh you rebel, two round 5's!

So we have 8 rounds, not the previously advertised 7 :x!!!!!

That's a big boo-boo!

It'll be in the LFS Community End-of-Year awards for the biggest gaffe! :D

[JO53PHS]

Deliberate mistake???

Hmm... tricked by an Idiot J@tko :D:nod::thumb::)

[dekojester]

Two things:

I haven't seen this in any screenie, but are there braking markers anywhere in the run up to the chicane ? Something simple as 1 cone vertical with one next to it pointing in the Direction of the turn about 50 meters before, (eg < /\), then add another vertical at 100 m (</\/\) and add a third vertical (</\/\/\) at 150m. I think this would help judgement of braking points. Perhaps put it on the inside of the course, so they won't be as likely to be blown away each lap by the first car and screw up the 20 behind.

#2: I was thinking of asking someone to drive the SC for the rounds it would be used for, but I think that if I get used to the XFR well enough (and get decent kb settings and a setup for it...HINT HINT !) I'll drive it for rounds at which it will be in use. Of course, I am hoping it will only be needed(aka used) for any formation lap for the Kyoto ala Rockingham round. I like the skin for it, indeed

[J@tko]

Edited Calendar at top of Thread. There is a week between the Rounds 7 & 8 as a) it is Easter and b) It gives Dekojester more time to do the vid.

[JO53PHS]

Two things:

I haven't seen this in any screenie, but are there braking markers anywhere in the run up to the chicane ? Something simple as 1 cone vertical with one next to it pointing in the Direction of the turn about 50 meters before, (eg < /\), then add another vertical at 100 m (</\/\) and add a third vertical (</\/\/\) at 150m. I think this would help judgement of braking points. Perhaps put it on the inside of the course, so they won't be as likely to be blown away each lap by the first car and screw up the 20 behind.

#2: I was thinking of asking someone to drive the SC for the rounds it would be used for, but I think that if I get used to the XFR well enough (and get decent kb settings and a setup for it...HINT HINT !) I'll drive it for rounds at which it will be in use. Of course, I am hoping it will only be needed(aka used) for any formation lap for the Kyoto ala Rockingham round. I like the skin for it, indeed

To make inforcing SC rules easier you could put some shortcuts in you F1 - F8 buttons.

You could just disqualify anyone who purposely overtakes the SC

[J@tko]

To make inforcing SC rules easier you could put some shortcuts in you F1 - F8 buttons.

Thinking of that too.

Thread on SC procedure coming up soon.

[J@tko]

Round 8 is at 7pm BST (clocks go forward night before) that's 6pm GMT.

[JO53PHS]

So it will still be at 7pm in the UK?

[J@tko]

So it will still be at 7pm in the UK?

Yep.

[J@tko]

Who picked GTRs/SO Long as the Endurance Round Combo?

It's a bloody mental combo!!!!

Server set to it now.

[evilpimp]

:D Just wanted to know how bad 1:56.39 was in the layout for the KY2R/FBM round. I have no problems with the calendar btw because watever it is im racing ill learn (hopefully)!

[J@tko]

:D Just wanted to know how bad 1:56.39 was in the layout for the KY2R/FBM round. I have no problems with the calendar btw because watever it is im racing ill learn (hopefully)!


I got a 1.51 on the old layout - so your time'll be about where the pace is.

[dekojester]

To make inforcing SC rules easier you could put some shortcuts in you F1 - F8 buttons.

You could just disqualify anyone who purposely overtakes the SC

I have all my Race Control Binds assigned to F1-F8.

Such things as, "Safety Car Standby" "Safety Car Deployed" "Safety Car In THIS LAP"

I will add a /rcm_all to them on copies, too for the series.

[JO53PHS]

what does /rcm_all do?

[J@tko]

Following consultation on [DR]Server 1 tonight, the track for Round 8 may be changed.

[dekojester]

what does /rcm_all do?

Displays a Race Control Message to everyone on course.

d

[evilpimp]

I got a 1.51 on the old layout - so your time'll be about where the pace is.

On the old one I got 1:54 =/ Then again i only did about 3 laps O_O just wanted to see how it felt. Love the chicane that was added tho :D Makes it much more fun and dangerous O_O

[zeugnimod]

Who picked GTRs/SO Long as the Endurance Round Combo?

It's a bloody mental combo!!!!

Server set to it now.

I suggested it. :tilt:

[J@tko]

I suggested it. :tilt:


Thanks for that :D

me and my keyboard aren't really in sync yet around there! :razz:

The Enduro round'll defiantly be interesting - not least from my point of view!

[J@tko]

Absolute final Kyoto ax layout. Working on the MRT one ATM.

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

Absolute final Kyoto ax layout. Working on the MRT one ATM.

Where can one find the final Kyoto layout?

[dekojester]

Where can one find the final Kyoto layout?

If I don't see it by the time I get home, I'll post it here.

I modified it to include Rolling start place. And also made the chicane a bit more forgiving (i.e. if you get the line slighty wrong you won't take off) but still kept it pretty tight.

[TomMK]

what are people getting on this final layout? - im on a 1:54:0 so far this evening, need to look at setup next. Only Stan for company :( Get on DR Server 1 guys :thumb:

[Stan]

Only Stan for company :(

Surely I am not such bad company that I deserved a 'frownie'! :razz:

I'm on a high 1:56 with a HUGE repair bill! :schwitz:

[TomMK]

Surely I am not such bad company that I deserved a 'frownie'! :razz:

I'm on a high 1:56 with a HUGE repair bill! :schwitz:

I didn't mean it quite like that!!

I really struggle with car setups. If I change anything at all i get less grip!