Drift/Track oriented car

[Woz]

Simple question... Does LFS need a drift car?

Bet this is the last person many would see this request come from :)

I have just got sick of "Can we change X on the cars to make drift better" type question. All of which will change or have an effect on the cars in a race setting.

We all know that if 45deg lock was put back in the next second there would be a post on the forum asking for 60 because its an easy change and possible with X or Y part.

Having a car designed for drift, that allowed stupid lock, rev limiter settings etc we could put a stop to all this and leave the race cars as single minded while keeping the drift community happy. Also it would be possible for servers to disable the car and hence keep the server with a race focus.

[Mako.]

no, no, and once again, bloody NO!


ps: and yes, I'm a racer that supports drifting.

[Kristjan.J]

I think yes, because Drifting is different racing style or what? :scratchch

[Mako.]

you dont need a special car for drifting... we did just fine today, IRL, in a 240sx coupe with adjustable coilover suspension and an exaust. That's it, car is stock otherwise!

See? You dont need a DRIFT specific car, you just need a race-ish car, like the XRR, but a little tamer, with less power, no widebody, no slicks, and no huge wing... meaning, a tunded for racing street car!

XRT- what I'm talking about- XRR

but what IF I want to drift the LX car, or the Porsche? Or maybe even the XRG? With less power, and skinnier tires + less weight, it's actually quite fun, but there is only ONE such car as the XRG in the game, and most dont use it due to the lack of a road it would shine on...

[wark]

:riceboy:.

[Mikkel Petersen]

you dont need a special car for drifting...
Exactly.

[TypeRCivic]

I'm getting rather sick of all these darn POLL'S about future cars being added in LFS. Why do you want a "DRIFT CAR" in LFS when there is the XRT and FZ5? You can make your own drift setup or even download one, and not to mention how many drift skins floating around. There are add ons such as drift angle gage and all that other crud for drifting, If I were a MODERATOR I'd close this POST.

Have a GOOD DAY:thumb:

[frokki]

This is really a two sided coin, on the other hand I couldn't care less and it would certainly statisfy many people and bring new players to LFS.

On the other hand LFS is a racing sim, and providing any other content slows down the development. I'm also afraid that the new crowd attracted by this drift car would differ quite a lot from the unique well-behaving mature one I've used to race and discuss with on servers and on this board.

It's not a bad suggestion, only a few ears too early I believe.

[March Hare]

The only problem is that after a few years no one will even remember what drifting is...

[Takumi_lfs]

what is a driftcar?

[tristancliffe]

It's a car with the stickers on the wrong way round on one side

[[UKR] Race King]

The only problem is that after a few years no one will even remember what drifting is...you are wrong because drift is a new style of racing and not long time has past since its discovered and it becomes much more popular year after year

[patAE86]

yea u dont really NEED special driftcar..u can even make drift outdated old piece of sh*t with engine in rear...
but wen u say driftcar... it shud be heavily tuned car=modifications on susp., drivetrain,weight... engine is the last:)
in japan and usa there r sponsors so beast w/ 400hp isnt problem but u dont need at all... all u need is good suspension, skill, and LSD...
but at all i think there shud be some kind of driftcar...:thumb:

[joen]

There´s no such thing needed as a drift car.

[ShibbyMan666]

Online Racing Simulator

:shrug:

Edit: I should really clarify. I know drifting in LFS is very popular and people spend money on the game so they are entitled to play as they wish which is great but I think adding a drift car into the game kinda defies the dev's original aims for this game. No problems with drifting but if any cars were to be added I and quite possibly the majority would rather see cars specifically designed for racing.

[Bob Smith]

The idea has its merits but its downsides too.

O/T:
Race King;634189']you are wrong because drift is a new style of racing and not long time has past since its discovered and it becomes much more popular year after year
Grammatical point: drifting is another form of motorsport, unrelated to racing.

[heson]

No, no drift car, but I would like a more durable copound or wider rear tyres for the FZ50.

[Töki (HUN)]

Why not?! I like drifting, let's have a drift car... No one is supposed to use it, just who really want to...:)

[ImportFantasy]

I think this is R.I.D.I.C.U.L.O.U.S!Why would we need a drift car?We already have 5 RWD cars that can be easily drifted with the right setup!I'm yes a drifter myself and i say that we already have enough cars in the sim.I say -1 for a "drift car" and +1 for locking up this thread.

[mcintyrej]

Lock this thread, just like your Differential.

Don't need a specialist driftcar, no point.

[ImportFantasy]

Lock this thread, just like your Differential.

Don't need a specialist driftcar, no point.


I Agree on that point!

[sdrjfd1]

A driftcar is a car... we have cars. :x

First things first. Devs need a good basic on what they can build. Like a house.

Nobody is against real life things. But there are priorities.

(man i need to look for an english spell checker :razz: )

[subhumanspunk]

yeah no need for a special drift car =/ 36 lock is more than enough... i already get pretty good angles on 18 lock =X anyways if they made a drift specific car itd feel more like nfs =/

[Sm0k3]

I wouldn't mind if there was a special drift car, but I think it would be more fun if there were a few different ones..

Yes, I can drift with the cars we have, but it would add some spice in the game!

I think we have to wait for s3 to get some special cars like that:)

[squidhead]

Simple question... Does LFS need a drift car?


I thought it had 7 :shrug:
XRT
FZ5
LX6
LX4
RAC
XRG
RB4

[Rubenz81]

Yeah why not. So for me there will be 1 more car to use for racing. I miss something between xrt and xrr.
I miss also a lot of other cars. But it's alway a +1 for more cars in lfs:D

[JoeVega]

I dont think, dat lfs need one more car for drifting...
FZ5, XRT, LX are perfect cars for drift
It's a car with the stickers on the wrong way round on one side
Man, u are ridiculous.

[zeugnimod]

Man, u are ridiculous.

Better stop, he is winning a poll to award the most intimidating forum member atm. :razz:

[JoeVega]

Better stop, he is winning a poll to award the most intimidating forum member atm. :razz:
So what? I insulted him? No. :)

[tristancliffe]

But obviously I touched a nerve with you. But it's true - drift cars have stickers on the wrong way round for no real reason other than the driver being able to admire himself skidding about in the reflections of glass fronted buildings.

[h3adbang3r]

I thought it had 7 :shrug:
XRT
FZ5
LX6
LX4
RAC
XRG
RB4And the FXO for "Arab Drifters" :x

[JoeVega]

But obviously I touched a nerve with you. But it's true - drift cars have stickers on the wrong way round for no real reason other than the driver being able to admire himself skidding about in the reflections of glass fronted buildings.
Well, but why do u think only drift cars have wrong stickers? It's only skinners. They can do skin with right arrangement, or just to reduse their time, they can copy one side and paste to another.
And do you think lfs is for stickers? I thought it's for race/drift. Skins is just pleasant addition, isn't it?

[subhumanspunk]

But obviously I touched a nerve with you. But it's true - drift cars have stickers on the wrong way round for no real reason other than the driver being able to admire himself skidding about in the reflections of glass fronted buildings.

you mean to say you've never tried that?? :x you're missing out!!!

Well, but why do u think only drift cars have wrong stickers? It's only skinners. They can do skin with right arrangement, or just to reduse their time, they can copy one side and paste to another. And do you think lfs is for stickers? I thought it's for race/drift. Skins is just pleasant addition, isn't it?

erm... its not only skinners in lfs but its also a style for d1 cars as well which skinners from lfs emulate.. anyways you gotta chill out dude, not everything people say is an attack, most of them are just sarcastic comments lol

[JoeVega]

anyways you gotta chill out dude, not everything people say is an attack, most of them are just sarcastic comments lol
Dont tell me what to do and I wont tell you, who u are :D

I'm sorry if I sometimes angry in my words, but there's too much people on this forum, who don't like drifing in lfs. I donno why. It's like a paranoia - "I dont like drift and that's it"

[subhumanspunk]

Dont tell me what to do and I wont tell you, who u are :D

I'm sorry if I sometimes angry in my words, but there's too much people on this forum, who don't like drifing in lfs. I donno why. It's like a paranoia - "I dont like drift and that's it"

lol... we just have to deal with closed minded people :P all i can say is i drive however i want, whether i race or drift its for the sake of driving lol...

[tristancliffe]

I have not mentioned any preference or otherwise for drifting, I'm just stating a single fact about drift car liveries. In reality and, therefore, in LFS. Nothing more, nothing less.

[subhumanspunk]

I have not mentioned any preference or otherwise for drifting, I'm just stating a single fact about drift car liveries. In reality and, therefore, in LFS. Nothing more, nothing less.

what you stated was fact about the car liveries :P but it was a funny response after with the looking at yourself in the mirror bit xD and sorry if it seemed what i responded to joe was directed at you but i was mainly talking about others who hate drifting just for the sake of hating drifting

[tristancliffe]

Okay, I might have elaborated a little bit on the reason for the silly stickers. But that's it. I didn't do anything more. Apart from some sarcasm. But THAT's it. No more. Oh, and some irony...

[subhumanspunk]

Okay, I might have elaborated a little bit on the reason for the silly stickers. But that's it. I didn't do anything more. Apart from some sarcasm. But THAT's it. No more. Oh, and some irony...

joe is a bit edgy, forgive him :D he did say sorry :nod: time for everyone to kiss and make up :razz:

[JoeVega]

Language difficulties sometimes prevent normal conversation... One more time sorry, if i'm too rough. :)

[Woz]

I thought it had 7 :shrug:
XRT
FZ5
LX6
LX4
RAC
XRG
RB4

If that were the case why do we get a constant flow of "improvement" requests asking to get bigger lock, different tyres... it goes on and on and on. I have even seen requests to allow road tyres on GTR cars FFS lol

If they got a car with 45+ lock that was covered in bulky plastic bits, tyres with 2mm sidewalls and big wings that didnt do anything it might shut them up.

The BIG bonus is we can set up server to disable that car and hence keep race server free of people trying to drift while a race is on.

[squidhead]

If that were the case why do we get a constant flow of "improvement" requests asking to get bigger lock, different tyres... it goes on and on and on.
I dont know really
Bad drivers maybe? :shrug:

I mean look at what you can do to the car in LFS, it's nowhere near stock, you can adjust EVERYTHING in it... how is that not a driftcar if you want it to be?



If they got a car with 45+ lock that was covered in bulky plastic bits, tyres with 2mm sidewalls and big wings that didnt do anything it might shut them up.

I must disagree with you on that one...
imagine a hungry lion that hasn't eaten in a long time, and you give him a little piece of meat because he looks really hungry, it will only make it hunger for more...
IF a drift car with a HUGE wing and a massive bodykit will be released it WILL provoke the drifters to ask for more (like "give us hachiroku, give us s13, give us skyline, give us a bigger wing on the car" and so on...)

(make no mistake, i'd love a drift car in LFS, fast and able to drift with crazy angles, but I know that I don't NEED one, because I can drift other great cars that already are in the game)

[subhumanspunk]

I dont know really
Bad drivers maybe? :shrug:

I mean look at what you can do to the car in LFS, it's nowhere near stock, you can adjust EVERYTHING in it... how is that not a driftcar if you want it to be?

agreed :thumbsup:

[wark]

And the FXO for "Arab Drifters" :x

LOL ~:bike:

[jayhawk]

:scratchch

Toyota Levin / Trueno - was (is) a basic rear wheel drive POS with a solid axle and trailing links. Whoopee. Years and years ago my friend had a 1983 Oldsmobile cutlass with the same rear axle setup and we used to "drift" with it for kicks. That was 1991. So, the RWD Corolla was not made for drifting, it was Toyota's offering of a cheap sports coupe for those who could not afford a Celica or Supra.

The Nissan Silvia. Did you know that it was considered a "date" car in Japan? Meaning it was specifically made for women, not drifting. Now it seems to be the only choice.

Mazda RX-7. Made to be a corner carver, not a drifter.

Must I go on?

[DragonCommando]

Having a car just for drifting would be pointless, just today I was drifting with the XRG, the damn thing isn't even that powerfull. But if you lower it, and put road normals on the back, it becomes one hell of a drift car. Although it does seem kind of slow, even for a 2L. It's still driftable.

[squidhead]

:scratchch

Toyota Levin / Trueno - was (is) a basic rear wheel drive POS with a solid axle and trailing links. Whoopee.

The Nissan Silvia. Did you know that it was considered a "date" car in Japan? Meaning it was specifically made for women, not drifting.

Mazda RX-7. Made to be a corner carver, not a drifter.

Must I go on?

would you say that all theese cars would not drift given the freedom of setup like we have in LFS? :smileypul
any car with RWD can drift in LFS, that's what setups are for...

about the trueno - SO TRUE...I just don't get all the craze about a small underpowered light car with wide enough tires :shrug:

[Hankstar]

I mean look at what you can do to the car in LFS, it's nowhere near stock, you can adjust EVERYTHING in it... how is that not a driftcar if you want it to be?:up: Leaving aside LFS's race cars, even the "road" cars are adjustable to a higher degree than most real-world road-legal trackday cars. Basically, if you can't drift an LFS car, you (a) can't set it up properly and should find out how or (b) can't actually drift all that well (and should sodding well find out how). I don't drift myself but I know a good drifter when I see one. There are plenty of videos out there featuring LFS players drifting like D1GP champions.

[Zachary Zoomy]

its called RWD. or better yet XR GT TURBO!

[ImportFantasy]

I thought it had 7 :shrug:
XRT
FZ5
LX6
LX4
RAC
XRG
RB4
I dont really consider the RB4 a "drift car" because of the 4WD layout even though it can be "drifted" (Sorry Gordon:D).And about the XRG,I forgot all about that car.Its fun to drift but I always forget that car!:D

[ghost racer]

What makes a "drift car"....

Just get a awesome "drift car" skin and learn how to setup your car.. You can improve suspension, add a LSD, change camber.. What else do you need?

If you could throw some WIDE Sport tires on the XRR to drift. Thats as far as I would go for a "drift car" on LFS, otherwise learn how to setup your car and make a skin with "cool" AEM stickers all over it.

I think we could benefit from different compound sport tires.. There are plenty of really sticky road tires, or down to sport tires guaranteed for 30k miles

[-DrftMstr-]

I dont really consider the RB4 a "drift car" because of the 4WD layout even though it can be "drifted" (Sorry Gordon:D).And about the XRG,I forgot all about that car.Its fun to drift but I always forget that car!:D

Ok there... hanging it there sideways and able to imitate the XRT's line is good enough to be defined as drift car, including my RB4:D

[-DrftMstr-]

:scratchch

Toyota Levin / Trueno - was (is) a basic rear wheel drive POS with a solid axle and trailing links. Whoopee. Years and years ago my friend had a 1983 Oldsmobile cutlass with the same rear axle setup and we used to "drift" with it for kicks. That was 1991. So, the RWD Corolla was not made for drifting, it was Toyota's offering of a cheap sports coupe for those who could not afford a Celica or Supra.

The Nissan Silvia. Did you know that it was considered a "date" car in Japan? Meaning it was specifically made for women, not drifting. Now it seems to be the only choice.

Mazda RX-7. Made to be a corner carver, not a drifter.

Must I go on?

yes sir. And these 3 cars are now the most popular platform for a motorsport called drifting.

[Zachary Zoomy]

I always drift RB4 and XRG. if and when I drift :P
but we don't need a detcated drift car in LFS.

[ImportFantasy]

Ok there... hanging it there sideways and able to imitate the XRT's line is good enough to be defined as drift car, including my RB4:D

Not able to intimidate my Fatass5!:D

[flymike91]

I love rb4 drifting! In all seriousness we don't need a drift car or different lock/etc. bullcrap. I like drifting how it is! We drifters should be keeping our heads low, our kind aren't always welcome around here..:)

[Glenn67]

I voted yes :thumb:

















That way I can diselect the drift car in filters and only see race servers :D
It would make everyone happy :razz:

[mtpower5]

Just let it be possible to put normal tyres on the xrr, and give it 40degrees steering:)

[mrminor28]

fz5 will be perfect but engine in rear killing everything . +1 for new car :tilt: only. just car with 400hp no slicks ;)
scawen can make bmw because lfs is going to be bmw simulator :D

[Danielw597]

Well, tbh what would LFS have as a drift car .. apart from a light weight RWD car.. imo, use the XRT if you've S2

[JO53PHS]

I personally don't like drift because I find it boring. Another reason for me not liking it is that im rubbish at it:D

Even if we did have a specially made drift car then people would still moan that its not 'drifty' enough or its all wrong.

[Rubenz81]

Hmm, to all people sayng we already have drift cars in LFS. Yeah it's true all rwd are pretty driftable but...
I like rallycross, i can rallycross in rb4 (and in all other cars too) but rb4 isnt a pure rallycross car (wonder if this rallypack for lfs will remain a legend...). So i can drift in xrt but xrt it's not a monstrous turbolag/fancydecals/uglyrims/sillywinged car for drifting.
So +1 to "drift" car for lfs or give xrr road tires.
And gravel tires too. So i can go rallycross with xrr! :D

Hope you guys get my point, my english sometimes is really bad :)

[NSX_FReeDoM]

i accidentally voted yes..

i would say no. cant you drift wif FZ5 or XRT?

[Woz]

Just let it be possible to put normal tyres on the xrr, and give it 40degrees steering:)
...or give xrr road tires.
And gravel tires too. So i can go rallycross with xrr!

LOL You two along others are the exact reason I started this thread. LEAVE THE RACE CARS AS THEY ARE.

The Xrr is NOT the sort of car that could deal with 40deg lock. If you can't understand WHY this is the cas you need to read up a little about the effects of low susponsion and BIG wheels on steering lock.

[Rubenz81]

That's why i want a proper rallycross car, and that's why i see no harm in giving drifters a "drift" car.
I already know that all gtrs have too few "excursion" (movement? sorry for bad english) of the suspensions and no, as i do it in real life, i dont like ultra low large tires that cant bend to race on gravel. Even with "slick" mod they suck. But it would be easy i think for scawen to implement more movement for the suspension and proper gravel tires.
Or make a rallycross car for us that like it.
So no changes to gtr for "racers".
Did i mention i dont like drifting? But i see no harm in giving them a "drift" car. Or if it's too difficult/long for devs put some "road" tires on xrr. So they are happy. And no harm too for who like to race gtr, i bet you wont race with road tires! As you dont race on gravel with slicks!


Edit: by the way in peugeot 205 shocks are the same for tarmac/gravel as you dont need to rise car like 50cm but only small amount. Hmm, have to say that we have pretty flat rallycross tracks in Italy dont know in rest of the world.

Edit2: Summing up. A proper "drift", rally, even dragster cars wont harm anyone. But as i think devs have quite some more important task before this, some small changes to current cars would make everyone happy. Someone suggested more lock to xrt, some others road tires for gtrs. As i race i dont care about that plus you would make them happy. Hope i was clear now.

[Nathan_French_14]

I voted yes, as i like drifting sometimes, it would keep the moaning drifters happy, and any new car in LFS is a plus.

so overall, a +1 from me.

[Smurfen]

do we really need more then 1 car? :really::schwitz:

[BlakjeKaas]

What?
a drift car..?

no.
why?

[Takumi_lfs]

Wth is a Driftcar???

Is it a special car? Does the Rearwheels turn also for better drifting???

[Danielw597]

The only difference I'd probably see in a "Drift Car" in lfs .. is all the decals and graphics on the car since LFS already has a few RWD cars.. wait, we can put decals and graphics on cars.. it's called a skins folder and an image editing or whatever program :O!

Now.. get the XRT.jpg and paste some decals on it ... woop "Drift Car" !!

[BlakjeKaas]

I was thinking about that too.

What is a drift car, show me a drift car please.

I assume it's just an adjusted roadcar...

[Danielw597]

With 99% of the inside ripped out :D.

I.E the backseats, inside door panels, blaaaah blaaaah :)

[Rubenz81]

Hmm a drift car...
Is like...
An xrr.
With unuseful road tires.
With a enourmous unuseful wing.
With an enormous turbo that takes ages to spool. (yes more than now)
With srekcits desrever. reversed stickers :D
With unuseful high steering lock.
That pretty sum up everithing i think :D
In my mind xrt (and all rwd cars we have now) are drift cars as rb4 is a rally car.

[Danielw597]

Hmm ... naaah -1 to "Drift car"

[MOSTWANTEDM3]

Ok in your opinion what would be a drift car , Any RWD car or 4WD car can be a drift car , i represent the drift community , why ? , cause i like to drift its a great way to express feeling , i also represent racing , all your doing by saying " WE NEED A DRIFT CAR " is making you look very ignorant people even use XRG as a drift car , now next time you make another post please use your head before you type , cause all this did was make you look stupid in front of the LFS community and embarass us Drifters , FYI make your own set and use XRT , RB4 , FZ50 , XRR , FXR , FZR , LX6 , LX6 , RAC , XRG and you got yourself a drift car


-Kiyoshiro

fyi 52% said no
47 say yes....

[ghost racer]

Looks drifty enough for me :D

[ghost racer]

The Xrr is NOT the sort of car that could deal with 40deg lock. If you can't understand WHY this is the case you need to read up a little about the effects of low suspension and BIG wheels on steering lock.

That is why you would get a offset wheel.. but you wouldn't need as wide of wheels, as the slicks.

Wider street street tires would perform alot better then the street tires we default with stock wheel setups..

If they were going to do that, it would be nice to take off the spoiler :)

[Rubenz81]

....
Then i will say we need a more specialized drift car. Easy to understand?
I make an example i can rally with rb4 with a proper setup as i can drift with anything rwd (xrg,xrt,lxs...) as lfs permits lot of changes in set, but i would like a "proper" rally car more suited for rallycross racing. So the same for drifting.
As devs are working on more important things it's not an urgent thing to do but for me in the future it's a +1.
It's a question, you can answer no or yes, and explain your thoughts but no need to insult.

[adin]

how somebody already said it is "Live For Speed" not "Live for Drift"

[MOSTWANTEDM3]

To me this post needs to be locked and deleted , cause some of you who agreee on this POS topic are idiots ....

[Moonclaw]

Can we ban someone for plain lack of common human sense?

[gohfeld23]

+1 for a special drift car.
Why? Well it's another race car for us racers and a fun toy for drifters.

At least drifters are closer to the point and beauty of LFS then Cruisers.....drifting takes skill and effort....cruising is really just waste of bandwith :x (and most of the recent InSim additions helped cruise admins write "better" software for it....give drifters a cookie too)


I'm just ranting here, while I'm at it but what is it with the SS as well.
Can't we just get a nice, imaginary road car ala LX, RAC, or even XRG/XRT?
As aero is still badly broken in LFS, making high downforce cars is really beating the point.

Meh, just my $0.02

[-DrftMstr-]

Drifting is not racing yes. But it is one form of motorsports. And yes, LFS is a racing simulator implying drifting is not included. Developping a drift car is not very useful. The cars presently offered by LFS covers much of the needs, ranging from various amounts of power, weight, layout, etc. I think it's a very choice already.

NOW. To all of those avid "hardcore" race drivers, if you don't like drifting, do as you would do in real life: turn a blind eye and move on with life. There are irrelevant and offensive comments that would have gotten you a good beating in real life. If you don't get the "trend", don't make up ignorant assumptions and make some pathetic generalization. Because at the end, those who say "drifters" are immature are often as immature as they are.

But what do you people know, if you were some REAL avid hardcore circuit drivers, you wouldn't be here playing some VIDEO GAME simulating real life, because your sorry ass would have been outside driving on a real race track. Oh wait, some of you don't really have a life outside video games and this is supposed to be living a dream, right...I simply hate how SOME of the people here pretend to be something they are not.So what is the difference between pretending to be a racecar driver and pretending to be Takumi? NONE! Prentenders.

For those real race car drivers, for those who got a chance to drive real racecars, you can cool down your snobiness. You may have alot more opportunity that others but there are those stuck up "I am too cool for you because I drive a open wheeler and I can insult anyone around" comments that needs to be kept inside your mouth. Because maybe of the people are here for the same reason as you: to pretend to be something you are not.

And I thought Live For Speed was a racing simulator not a poser simulator. Wait... That's the Sims.


Now it reminds me not to visit LFSPoserForum so often.

[motary]

Lets just give race cars way more steering lock and road tyres, that is pretty much what top level cars used in drifting are like :P

[XCNuse]

Okay for those of you that don't want one, well think of it as a filler car.

Let us look at some things a - in all technicalities - make a drift car different than what we have.

-Differentials we already have, clutch plates.
-Clutch, most drifters use ceramic, or multiple plates for stronger, long lasting, and quicker shifting
-Gears are often straight cut for maximum strength
-Suspension, we already have what we need
-Has a rollcage for more body strength (LFS doesn't have body torsion does it?)
-Engine.. well this can be disputed, but I'd say a 300-400bhp engine would suffice, and a turbo
-Steering angle, of course must be custom done, I don't have any figures, but we'd need much more angle than the XRT or even FZ50 gives us
-Exterior, well it needs to look nice (no joke), a normal car, and a slick body kit, a visible intercooler for the turbo, and a good looking spoiler (.. and you guys know what I mean about good looking, not.. ugly)
-Tires.. someone else can fill me in, I know nothing about that stuff

[Danielw597]

-Tires.. someone else can fill me in, I know nothing about that stuff

Possibly Rubber tires, they are the most commonly used types of tires, apart from little 1:16th scale model cars, which have plastic tires, but wouldn't work for any car to drive.

[Woz]

NOW. To all of those avid "hardcore" race drivers, if you don't like drifting, do as you would do in real life: turn a blind eye and move on with life. There are irrelevant and offensive comments that would have gotten you a good beating in real life. If you don't get the "trend", don't make up ignorant assumptions and make some pathetic generalization. Because at the end, those who say "drifters" are immature are often as immature as they are.

Actually.. What most of us want is a STOP the the endless stream of multiple threads requesting to increase to steering lock, road tyres on cars that would NEVER use road tyres, wings etc etc etc.

Changes to the current cars to allow extra lock WILL effect racing and that is if the car can deal with extra lock. Big lock allows people to get a car loads out of shape and still recover because of the large lock. It should be you get out of shape and you are off.

The skill in racing is that you stay on the track for the duration of the race. Giving help like large lock lowers the skill level needed.

If the drifters STOP requesting changes and they start to realise you CAN drift with the current locks etc then people will not get so wound up.

Having a single car that allows the stupid extremes of setups use by drifters it means the other cars can remain as is and we can filter out the car.

That said. The poll appears to say NO so Drifters... Take the hint and SHUT UP about 45+deg lock and road tyres on GTR cars. :)

[Moonclaw]

Whether you want it or not, drifting is a large part of lfs community (needed a separate forum?) and it will stay that way because of the physics, more real will bring more people who like drifting.

I have to wonder who can get kicks out of some nfs drift mode, steer into the corner to widen the drift... right.

As said before many times in numerous threads, not hundreds, catering to the needs of only the people who like to race, either to win or to have a equal competition to have a good race, is ignoring the fact that a large part of s2 licensed users like drifting, if this would be the choice of lfs developers it would eventually give room for better products that will grab the market from lfs. It is not about if drifting is a motorsport or not, anyone remember when Scawen was thinking if he was going to implement car football physics into lfs because people liked it from seeing top gear? Personally I think that would've been fun to the people who liked that kind of thing, I couldn't care less about such features. After all this is still a pc game and I think it should be developed as such, players should not be limited by funding for car parts and repairs nor track time and developing should be kept open minded to cater the players, not necessarily how real life is, but to provide accurate enough physics and good interface to enjoy them with.

I say 'accurate enough' because real life conditions are so much more varying at the moment than lfs that it is silly to compare them, I see this forum is mostly infested with die hard fanboys who "know" what lfs should be and feel like without even driving real cars fast nor hard. This is internet after all so such is to be expected, which is why I also would expect developers to take into account the wide market available for them. Make sense or not, this is what I have to say about this whole yes/no drifting/steering lock/car/whatever.

[MOSTWANTEDM3]

Actually.. What most of us want is a STOP the the endless stream of multiple threads requesting to increase to steering lock, road tyres on cars that would NEVER use road tyres, wings etc etc etc.

Changes to the current cars to allow extra lock WILL effect racing and that is if the car can deal with extra lock. Big lock allows people to get a car loads out of shape and still recover because of the large lock. It should be you get out of shape and you are off.

The skill in racing is that you stay on the track for the duration of the race. Giving help like large lock lowers the skill level needed.

If the drifters STOP requesting changes and they start to realise you CAN drift with the current locks etc then people will not get so wound up.

Having a single car that allows the stupid extremes of setups use by drifters it means the other cars can remain as is and we can filter out the car.

That said. The poll appears to say NO so Drifters... Take the hint and SHUT UP about 45+deg lock and road tyres on GTR cars. :)


didnt you start this thread and now you talking about requests ??? dude how old are you , you are going on this topic like a little like kid everyone else who wants that bloody " DRIFT " car

[subhumanspunk]

Actually.. What most of us want is a STOP the the endless stream of multiple threads requesting to increase to steering lock, road tyres on cars that would NEVER use road tyres, wings etc etc etc.

Changes to the current cars to allow extra lock WILL effect racing and that is if the car can deal with extra lock. Big lock allows people to get a car loads out of shape and still recover because of the large lock. It should be you get out of shape and you are off.

The skill in racing is that you stay on the track for the duration of the race. Giving help like large lock lowers the skill level needed.

If the drifters STOP requesting changes and they start to realise you CAN drift with the current locks etc then people will not get so wound up.

Having a single car that allows the stupid extremes of setups use by drifters it means the other cars can remain as is and we can filter out the car.

That said. The poll appears to say NO so Drifters... Take the hint and SHUT UP about 45+deg lock and road tyres on GTR cars. :)

as i said before you can drift fine with 36 lock.. i actually get decent angles on 18 lock right now... lower lock cars require more precision :thumbsup: and its more fun and challenging :razz:

[wark]

I do believe some people are forgetting that the RB4 and FXR can be made RWD. :magnify:

[ghost racer]

Lets just give race cars way more steering lock and road tyres, that is pretty much what top level cars used in drifting are like :P

Yes sport tires should be a little bit less wide on the XRR, that should enable more overall steering lock :thumb:

[ImportFantasy]

OK heres the conclusion.After this,I request to LOCK UP this thread

-Stop making requests of MORE lock
-We can already drift with the cars we have NOW
-GTRs will NEVER have road tires or gravel tires
-We can already drift with the lock we have now
-Stop making us drifters look bad
-SHUT UP saying that drifting is racing and ITS NOT
-Drifting isnt bad,try it!
-IMO Their will NEVER be a "drift car"
-Racing isn't either,try it!
-There you go folks.Now please lock this thread up :)

[Woz]

didnt you start this thread and now you talking about requests ??? dude how old are you , you are going on this topic like a little like kid everyone else who wants that bloody " DRIFT " car

Actually if you READ my first post and the one you quote you will see it was because of the constant repeated questions in different thread that the drift community of LFS keeps asking is why I started the poll lol. I said why in post one and STILL they requests still come.

:)

[subhumanspunk]

OK heres the conclusion.After this,I request to LOCK UP this thread

-Stop making requests of MORE lock
-We can already drift with the cars we have NOW
-GTRs will NEVER have road tires or gravel tires
-We can already drift with the lock we have now
-Stop making us drifters look bad
-SHUT UP saying that drifting is racing and ITS NOT
-Drifting isnt bad,try it!
-IMO Their will NEVER be a "drift car"
-Racing isn't either,try it!
-There you go folks.Now please lock this thread up :)

+1 :thumbsup:

but i think you repeated we can already drift with the lock we have now twice xD

[legoflamb]

I voted no because the cars are already drift ready they just need to be set up for it.

[tinvek]

+100 for a drift car but on two major conditions



1, its in its own class so servers can easily stop its use if they wish

2 (and most important) it's only released as part of the licensed content, not demo. if the drift racers are as keen as is made out they will pay for a licence and it would also form a natural partner to the current

single seater demo FBMW -> licenced FOX ->FO8 ->BF1 path

i.e.

for drift demo XRGT -> licenced XRGT Turbo -> New Drift car

this way the drifters have a car on demo which can be drifted and can progress to more powerfull alternatives when licenced and the devs gain extra sales


p.s. when i was young what is now called drifting was powersliding and was done for fun, i also seem to remember that people like gerry marshall and tony dron could get cars very sideways and hold them whilst driving on slicks and didnt need extra steering lock to do it and some of the tarmac rally cars of the '70s spent every corner with the driver looking out of the side window

[flymike91]

I think the bitching we would get from racers would not be worth a new car.

[Dawen]

I don´t see whats so wrong with a drift car... If some people only drift and others only race what´s so bad for the racers that one of all cars are specific for drifting? I don´t understand why the racers are so against a drift car... you don´t need to race it you know...:scratchch
There are many drifters out there and of course it would be nice to have a car specific for us drifters... there are many cars we can´t use why should there be a problem that the racers have one car they can´t use? :shrug:

[[UKR] Race King]

OK heres the conclusion.After this,I request to LOCK UP this thread


-SHUT UP saying that drifting is racing and ITS NOT

if its not racing then what is d1 gp?

[masternick]

Race King;637823']if its not racing then what is d1 gp?
D1GP is a Drifting competition and is not a race

[SukebeSpitfire]

drifting = driving
racing = driving

Got my point? :shrug:

[ImportFantasy]

D1GP is a Drifting competition and is not a race

Thank you for making my point.:)

[sosna]

Drifting is not racing yes. But it is one form of motorsports. And yes, LFS is a racing simulator implying drifting is not included. Developping a drift car is not very useful. The cars presently offered by LFS covers much of the needs, ranging from various amounts of power, weight, layout, etc. I think it's a very choice already.

NOW. To all of those avid "hardcore" race drivers, if you don't like drifting, do as you would do in real life: turn a blind eye and move on with life. There are irrelevant and offensive comments that would have gotten you a good beating in real life. If you don't get the "trend", don't make up ignorant assumptions and make some pathetic generalization. Because at the end, those who say "drifters" are immature are often as immature as they are.

But what do you people know, if you were some REAL avid hardcore circuit drivers, you wouldn't be here playing some VIDEO GAME simulating real life, because your sorry ass would have been outside driving on a real race track. Oh wait, some of you don't really have a life outside video games and this is supposed to be living a dream, right...I simply hate how SOME of the people here pretend to be something they are not.So what is the difference between pretending to be a racecar driver and pretending to be Takumi? NONE! Prentenders.

For those real race car drivers, for those who got a chance to drive real racecars, you can cool down your snobiness. You may have alot more opportunity that others but there are those stuck up "I am too cool for you because I drive a open wheeler and I can insult anyone around" comments that needs to be kept inside your mouth. Because maybe of the people are here for the same reason as you: to pretend to be something you are not.

And I thought Live For Speed was a racing simulator not a poser simulator. Wait... That's the Sims.


Now it reminds me not to visit LFSPoserForum so often.

+1 at everything my thoughts exactly! :thumb:

[XCNuse]

I just don't understand why so many people oppose on something they too might benefit from.. that's what makes no sense at all to me.

[e2mustang]

i say lets have 1,althought we have like 7,more car=more fun
anyway we could make race set for it too if we want :nod:

[XCNuse]

I mean when you think about it, if you put a race set on a drift car, then you basically have a personal track car, which is nothing like any of the other cars we have, which are just road cars with wild setups.

So all in all it makes perfect sense, and everyone is happy.
A car with drift style and modifications, and a track car with adjustable downforce.

[henrico-20-]

+100 for a driftcar look a like. I'm a racer in LFS but when i get bored of doing the same thing all the time i switch to drifting! and if i getr bored of drifting i switch to racing. and i think al lot of people do the same. + it would bring LFS a lot more users that love drifting only! I think it would be awesome if the devs would add one or more cars with the huge wings bumpers and wheels!! drifting in LFS is a lot of fun! and only the FZ5 and XRT are good drift cars but also race cars. but they look like road cars. so nothing spectacular!

if they would add some cars with the options i've written above. you can set it as a race car or a drift car. Then everybody would be happy right?? i don't see any problem... do you? :)

[mrminor28]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsTBEXlu_Fg&feature=related
this video telling everything about lock

[greg_slideways]

OK personaly i would LIKE it but it is not a smart thing to do too much work for the "RICER DRIFTERS" well yea atlest race fans say...but i say we need skill with the XRT you are good!! ...Yea thats what i say!!

[zeugnimod]

After all this is still a pc game and I think it should be developed as such, players should not be limited by funding for car parts and repairs nor track time and developing should be kept open minded to cater the players, not necessarily how real life is, but to provide accurate enough physics and good interface to enjoy them with.

:thumb:

[mrminor28]

i can say one thing ... more functions - more players :D

[Woz]

I mean when you think about it, if you put a race set on a drift car, then you basically have a personal track car, which is nothing like any of the other cars we have, which are just road cars with wild setups.

So all in all it makes perfect sense, and everyone is happy.
A car with drift style and modifications, and a track car with adjustable downforce.

Its good to see another old hand understand why this could benefit LFS and also understand why a drift related car is actually different from what we have now :)

[greg_slideways]

Its good to see another old hand understand why this could benefit LFS and also understand why a drift related car is actually different from what we have now :)
I see the need just cant fight all the people that "HATE" drift and call it a horible thing =(

[jonny__27]

My vote is yes. If some people want it, a new car is always a great add to the game.

If you don´t want to use it, just don't use it. Simple as that.

[spanks]

drifting = driving
racing = driving

Got my point? :shrug:

On/T = more cars will always get a yes vote from me!

Off/T somewhat =

I learned to drive profficiently in this game by learning to drift. I got my g25, got the demo...got a WR xrt set, and joined a race. I was backwards in the dirt after every corner, because as everyone knows...the WR xrt sets are slippery as hell. As soon as the ass end poked out a little, I was DONE for. I joined a drift server, got a set, and within a week I had a way to keep from crashing when shit hit the fan. Being able to slide/powerslide/oversteer/drift...whatever you want to call it...is a legitimate racing tool that every driver should learn to some extent. I grew up racing go karts, and if you didn't throw those things around and get them to rotate mid corner you'd be slower than everyone. A solid rear axle really teaches you how to float a car through a corner.


Now, onto your comparison...you have no point

yes, you're driving a car, but for completely different purposes...i have a pretty good example I think

Ok, Olympics, track and field, 100 meter dash

Everyone lines up at the starting line, crouches down...ready, set, BANG...everyone takes off as fast as they can, except one person who is running backwards, finishes in 3 times the time it took for everyone else, and yet still wins the gold because he was more creative...

Racing is not won by opinion, racing is won by whoever can beat everyone else legitimately on the track by either being the fastest, smartest, most consistent, or any mixture there of.

[canovi88]

lfs have cars for drift,xrt,fz5,lx,rac,xrg....but i have a question:

Why XRR have a ''drift'' deffault skin,if XRR its a ''shit car'' for do drift?without nice tires for drift,a short ''left-right angle(sorry my bad english)...

lfs have very much cars,and you can do drift with all cars...(have cars better,and sux drift cars(bmwsaber...))

:scratchchnot bad idea do special tires for drift,drag....bah,im crazzy,see the hour....4.00 omfg hahaha i need sleep^^

[kamkorPL]

Reading some of the posts in this thread just makes me realise to get out of LFS and build my own car for drift as fast as possible in real life.

Thank god some race drivers I met in real life aren't close-minded people like some on LFSForum. People that I know in real life that are in motorsports love everything about the cars, and pretending drifting sucks and isn't something fun is something as ignorant as it can get. I have never met a person that drifted himself say that drifting is no fun, stupid or that it sucks. Why would people racing sucessfully(as winning) retire and start drifting proffesionally? Because It's fun. Let me quote Remmo Niezen from last International Drift Challenge. "Drift Addict".

And many top drifters in Netherland that dominate international drift challenge in germany(Held on F1 circuits) are retired proffesional race car drivers. It's ok to be a drifter in real life, but in LFS being a drifter sucks - props to selfish and ignorant community.

Oh and shall I start a discussion about some new drift server that appeared on lfs lately? What did lfs racers try to drift? Formula BMW and FWD Gtr cars, just brillant. But wait oooops!! Those were just few, ofcourse this doesn't mean that all racers understand drifting by dragging GTi GTR ass around the corners and spinning into grass. But you have to be open minded to see that. You have to experience both racing and drifting deeply to understand both. I wasn't always drifting in lfs.

Anyway, I really was motivated to do a very good article about 45 max lock for Scawen with several people, but I just lost it all. It's pointless losing energy to fight for something in a video game.

On the other side.. I can see it's actually not that much people against drifting. Most of the people who are against are the same people all over, all over all over all over all over..

If anyone wants to call me ignorant then well.. Yeah call me ignorant for not understanding haters. I guess I would have to be a hater myself to understand it.

And lastly, sorry for going quite much offtopic here, but reading this just really gives me a shock.

[henrico-20-]

Reading some of the posts in this thread just makes me realise to get out of LFS and build my own car for drift as fast as possible in real life.

Thank god some race drivers I met in real life aren't close-minded people like some on LFSForum. People that I know in real life that are in motorsports love everything about the cars, and pretending drifting sucks and isn't something fun is something as ignorant as it can get. I have never met a person that drifted himself say that drifting is no fun, stupid or that it sucks. Why would people racing sucessfully(as winning) retire and start drifting proffesionally? Because It's fun. Let me quote Remmo Niezen from last International Drift Challenge. "Drift Addict".

And many top drifters in Netherland that dominate international drift challenge in germany(Held on F1 circuits) are retired proffesional race car drivers. It's ok to be a drifter in real life, but in LFS being a drifter sucks - props to selfish and ignorant community.

Oh and shall I start a discussion about some new drift server that appeared on lfs lately? What did lfs racers try to drift? Formula BMW and FWD Gtr cars, just brillant. But wait oooops!! Those were just few, ofcourse this doesn't mean that all racers understand drifting by dragging GTi GTR ass around the corners and spinning into grass. But you have to be open minded to see that. You have to experience both racing and drifting deeply to understand both. I wasn't always drifting in lfs.

Anyway, I really was motivated to do a very good article about 45 max lock for Scawen with several people, but I just lost it all. It's pointless losing energy to fight for something in a video game.

On the other side.. I can see it's actually not that much people against drifting. Most of the people who are against are the same people all over, all over all over all over all over..

If anyone wants to call me ignorant then well.. Yeah call me ignorant for not understanding haters. I guess I would have to be a hater myself to understand it.

And lastly, sorry for going quite much offtopic here, but reading this just really gives me a shock.


Remmo Niezen is one of the best europe drifters! i saw him a few times here with the Xtreme drift challenges. I'm normally racer to. i race 125cc karts and thats a lot of fun. but i do drifting to ( LFS and somethimes with karts with special hard tires) and thats great fun to but in an other way. i know why. with racing you have a lot of racers that try to beat you with 0.1 sec. also you need to setup the car perfectly and it gives somtimes a lot of stress. drifting is a kind of game that you do for fun. you can do it with an old 1980's car or with a 2005 350z and both can win the race. i think thats why racers love to drift to.

I think it would be a realy good extra if there would be something specially for drifters to. and you can setup yr drift car to an race car! at the moment i think 1/3 of all LFS users ar drifting or do it now and then.

the discussion about driftcars is actually pointless. it only add something extra to the sim. what does it bother you if people drift or race?

[frokki]

the discussion about driftcars is actually pointless. it only add something extra to the sim. what does it bother you if people drift or race?Because creating non-racing related content delays creating racing related content.

Who drifts and who doesn't isn't related to this thread in any way. If you ignore Tristan (that I think you should do), nobody is bashing drifting in this thread. <-- That's right, kamkor.

[BlakjeKaas]

I mean when you think about it, if you put a race set on a drift car, then you basically have a personal track car, which is nothing like any of the other cars we have, which are just road cars with wild setups.

So all in all it makes perfect sense, and everyone is happy.
A car with drift style and modifications, and a track car with adjustable downforce.

So you say:
'let's make a drift car that is a race car...'

We already have cars in LFS, we just got a new one...
A race car can't be that very different from what we have now, as someone said in this thread, you can drift with each car, why would you need a special drift car...

btw: I still don't know what a drift car is, apart from a normal car with huuuge body kits and more powah.

[Riders Motion]

NO ****ING WAY!

Yes I'm a drifter that supports racing. Even though I'm sold to drifting, I don't want the devs to put drift specific cars like Microsoft did with Forza 2. I wouldn't mind other street and RWD cars, but no cars with 'JDM DORI-DORI' stickers alll around.

[gohfeld23]

I really cant believe people dont see the bloody benefit of this suggestion!

Its a car that would make drifters AND racers (non SS racers, that is) quite happy yet you can't see past the DRIFT part the OP placed within the suggestion.

If it was called a track car, with the same values in terms of lock and power, most of you would be all over it.

Its just sad to see this anti drift or whatever ignorance, even if it benefits most of us quite directly. (I neither drift nor cruise, for the record)

Really seems that ignorance is indeed, bliss.

[evilgeek]

I really cant believe people dont see the bloody benefit of this suggestion!

Its a car that would make drifters AND racers (non SS racers, that is) quite happy yet you can't see past the DRIFT part the OP placed within the suggestion.

If it was called a track car, with the same values in terms of lock and power, most of you would be all over it.

Its just sad to see this anti drift or whatever ignorance, even if it benefits most of us quite directly. (I neither drift nor cruise, for the record)

Really seems that ignorance is indeed, bliss.

why should we see past it? the request wasn't for a new race car with certain spec, it was for a car meant specifically for drifting, and adding that to a racing simulator would be stupid. nothing wrong with a powerful rear drive street car. everything wrong with labelling it a drifting car.

[XCNuse]

omg you guys get past the word Drift
It's like a cheap boxed wine that leaves you guys with a sour taste in your mouth after drinking it in.

If you want me, I'll change every "drift" in this entire thread to read "track car"
I mean honestly, drift is just what the OP stated, no one in this thread has said it HAS to be used for drifting, we've been saying the exact opposite, that you can use it for whatever you feel like.

@BlakjeKaas, read my other post before to see the differences there would be.
@RidersMotion, you do the same.

[ATC Quicksilver]

Wouldn't it just be an XRT with a stupid bodykit? :shrug:

[XCNuse]

If you want to look at it as an XRT, these would be the differences: (keep in mind it doesn't have to look like an XRT in any sense, if anything I'd prefer it look totally different since to many cars look alike in LFS as it is)

1: A Rollcage
2: Some modifications one would find in any track car; the sound deadening taken out (no/very simple interior), racing seats, smaller and lighter side mirrors rather than stock bulky ones
3: Airfoils: a front splitter, side spoilers, and a rear wing all of which have adjustable downforce
4: Large turbo or just a plain bigger engine

That's all I can think of simply.

[ATC Quicksilver]

Stupid bodykit, rollcage, huge turbo = demo users wet dream? It would be funny if they did make one, and suddenly we see all these so called 'broke' demo users finding £24 to spend on a license. :scratchch

You could just use the XRR, many people do, its basically what you just described, except it looks like an XRT.

[XCNuse]

True, but the XRR is Race spec, it has racing.. everything (or.. well.. supposed to atleast)
Slicks, strong gearbox, strong engine, etc.
This track car on the other hand is supposed to be more or less .. I don't know if yall have it in the UK, but an SCCA rookie type car.

[wabbit]

Yep, id like to see one. Simple as that.

And honestly there isn't any need to crap on like a large percentage of you have regarding Drifting.

[aoun]

F**K YES!

WE CAN SHUT UP THE NOOB F$#@heads!!!!!

[Woz]

True, but the XRR is Race spec, it has racing.. everything (or.. well.. supposed to atleast)
Slicks, strong gearbox, strong engine, etc.
This track car on the other hand is supposed to be more or less .. I don't know if yall have it in the UK, but an SCCA rookie type car.

I guess the ideal would fall within the D1GP specs and restrictions. Not sure what bhp, engine, tyre limits they are.

And yep, many cant see that if setup for racing would provide another class of RWD cars.

The real ideal as I see it would be a car that could sit in the XFR, UFR group to provide a RWD car in that group. It would need to also allow road tyres and that huge 45+degree steering lock.

You are right it would need all the visible intercooler in the bumper because that is all part of the look.

[mrminor28]

100% we need car drift/race 400hp ~ normal tyres supers/normals/hybs/knoblys/ and will be great
;] fz will be nice car, how Im said, but engine in rear killing all power :nod:

[flymike91]

We need to keep the racers happy, they are very sensitive! No drift car, just higher redlines in tbo cars. And by the way, not all drifters want ridiculous body kits and stuff. If we got a new car, I hope it would be like a highly tuned ae86 trueno or Silvia s15, not nfs style bodykit crap. There are drifters who strive for realism as well.

[Dawen]

...There are drifters who strive for realism as well.
I suppose all the drifters in LFS do that, otherwise they would play nfs or juiced that has easy ( boring ) drifting as a part of the game...
I also agree with flymike91 about the choice of car, we don´t need loads of plasic on the cars, a simple AE86 or a silvia S15 would be really nice.

[flymike91]

plus those could both be used for racing as well. Maybe people's definition of drift car is like sam hubinette's viper?

[kamkorPL]

People talking about drift car just being a car with stupid bodykit simply show they know absolutelly NOTHING about drifting. Nothing about building a driftcar, nothing about what makes a good drift car. Pure "Get your shit into the thread, based on what your imagination tells you". It's as If I was giving my opinion about lfs being unrealistic without even driving a real car!

For most drifters the only reason to get a bodykit, or some decals or just enhance visuals of the car is to get attention! And the reason is very simple - to get attention - to be more often in media - therefore most importantly to get sponsors. Getting sponsors in motorsports is common for all types of them - racing, drifting. We don't need to get sponsors in lfs, we don't need bodykit. Current top drift skins are also more than enough "eye-cathers".

So if to make a drift car in lfs.. What should it be ? Just a quick thought:

Modify engine in XRT to top spec, make it 400-600hp(With enough Nm and ability maybe to get less power. Would be cool if there was also AEM to modify the maps), give it bigger steering lock, give it semi slicks as well, get the shit out of the car - all the useless things so it weights less. Give it "plastic" windows so it's light, give it roll cage, give it carbon hood again for less weight. Allow some choice for tyre profiles etc.

[greg_slideways]

For looks i suggest a S2000 i like the car and like what some drifters have done to it looks great with a simple lip kit NO NFS SHI* sorry im 17 BUT STILL HATE NFS SHI*, Just some input!!

[JTbo]

There is F1 car, which I don't use, but some like it a lot, so why not to have car some people would surely like lot and maybe other cars would be left alone then.

In future if setup options will be more limited, there could be good chance to introduce such car to reduce whining we would otherwise get :scratchch

[Riders Motion]

People talking about drift car just being a car with stupid bodykit simply show they know absolutelly NOTHING about drifting. Nothing about building a driftcar, nothing about what makes a good drift car. Pure "Get your shit into the thread, based on what your imagination tells you". It's as If I was giving my opinion about lfs being unrealistic without even driving a real car!

For most drifters the only reason to get a bodykit, or some decals or just enhance visuals of the car is to get attention! And the reason is very simple - to get attention - to be more often in media - therefore most importantly to get sponsors. Getting sponsors in motorsports is common for all types of them - racing, drifting. We don't need to get sponsors in lfs, we don't need bodykit. Current top drift skins are also more than enough "eye-cathers".

So if to make a drift car in lfs.. What should it be ? Just a quick thought:

Modify engine in XRT to top spec, make it 400-600hp(With enough Nm and ability maybe to get less power. Would be cool if there was also AEM to modify the maps), give it bigger steering lock, give it semi slicks as well, get the shit out of the car - all the useless things so it weights less. Give it "plastic" windows so it's light, give it roll cage, give it carbon hood again for less weight. Allow some choice for tyre profiles etc.

BF1 is the way to go. 700hp, semi slicks, no shit. :thumbsup:

[kamkorPL]

I forget to add one more thing before, which is a very important. The car should have good weight balance as well.

[PLAYLIFE]

It's a car with the stickers on the wrong way round on one side

Is that true?

[lizardfolk]

Ok wait...can someone explain to me exactly what a drift car is?

Is there a particular specs for a drift car? (Tristan that means I want you to explain yourself more)

[Inouva]

It's a car with the stickers on the wrong way round on one side


HAHAHAHAH Men you just ROFL! me

[motary]

Riders Motion, please save our minds and not post here anymore, you're welcome to join Tristan's and Ian's club.

How is a drift car built yes? Very simple:

Top level drifting car (http://www.driftworks.com/forum/drift-car-projects-builds/29908-driftworks-s15-2jzgte.html)

I think more power, steering lock, racing looks for XRT is enough here :P

And about the bodykits, they are usually widebodykits to accomodate wider wheels to increase track, not look stupid.

[Riders Motion]

I'm not joining Tristan and Ian, I am a drifter! I only say it's stupid to moan for more features to drifters since we are a minority in the community to drift. Kthxbai

[BlakjeKaas]

omg you guys get past the word Drift
It's like a cheap boxed wine that leaves you guys with a sour taste in your mouth after drinking it in.

If you want me, I'll change every "drift" in this entire thread to read "track car"
I mean honestly, drift is just what the OP stated, no one in this thread has said it HAS to be used for drifting, we've been saying the exact opposite, that you can use it for whatever you feel like.

@BlakjeKaas, read my other post before to see the differences there would be.
@RidersMotion, you do the same.

I just don't get it.

WHY would you want to have a 'special drift car' which isn't a special drift car.

It's like saying we NEED a new car, but only with less greedy words.

We just got a new car, we'll see what will be the next car.

It's just that this thread makes drifters look a bit stupid-ish (there are lots of threads which make them look more stupid tbh), as if there is need for a special drift car...

[Woz]

Ok wait...can someone explain to me exactly what a drift car is?

Is there a particular specs for a drift car? (Tristan that means I want you to explain yourself more)

Simple really.

A car that has be reworked from the ground up in a single minded way with drift in mind. The same way the GTR spec cars are single minded race cars.

Big lock, stronger clutch, big turbo and high powered. Setup options that allow people to maintian good drift, adjustable downforce, adjustable rev limiter etc.

You would want an intercooler at the front for most cooling but until engine heat comes in that does not matter too much.

Probably to the specs required in something like D1GP or similar event.

(BTW: This does not mean it can't be used to race. It just means its primary focus is to drift.)

I just don't get it.

WHY would you want to have a 'special drift car' which isn't a special drift car.

It's like saying we NEED a new car, but only with less greedy words.

We just got a new car, we'll see what will be the next car.

It's just that this thread makes drifters look a bit stupid-ish (there are lots of threads which make them look more stupid tbh), as if there is need for a special drift car...

Like it or not, the drift community in LFS is big. Like it or not we DO get a constant stream of requests for mods to cars to help with drift. Like it or not the drifters are NOT going to leave.

So the choices are...

1) Leave everything as is and put up with the constant requests and moaning.
2) Accept that drifting is a fact of motorsports now and give them a car that matches their higher profile comps.
3) Change the current cars we have to make more drift friendly.

As many see it, the changes to the current cars should NEVER happen. They have been through loads of balancing to make them fair in races and they are race cars so leave them be.

That leaves 1 and 2. Some, myself included feel that 2 is the better option and keeps everyone happy with the smallest impact on the community.

[XCNuse]

I just don't get it.

WHY would you want to have a 'special drift car' which isn't a special drift car.

It's like saying we NEED a new car, but only with less greedy words.

We just got a new car, we'll see what will be the next car.

It's just that this thread makes drifters look a bit stupid-ish (there are lots of threads which make them look more stupid tbh), as if there is need for a special drift car...
lol, not in one case did I defend it being a drift car, I've been saying the opposite the whole time.

[BlakjeKaas]

I don't get why we just don't post in a new 'I want a new car'-thread

[niall09]

I have only skim-read parts of this thread.

When I go onto a drift server, I mainly see people drift the XRT (apart from the very good drifters - they use FZ5). Is the FZ5 far from a "drift" car?

I can clearly see that the majority cannot drift the FZ, so why do they want a drift car with more horsepower etc ??

[kamkorPL]

Think about it a bit. Fz5 is a RR car(Engine is on the rear), it's weight balance isn't good.

I prefer fz5 simply, because it has more power and is still very driveable. If XRT wasn't so low powered I would be driving it. Or If it at least had some things taken out from inside - so it would be lighter.

edit:

The point is - It's not the power of FZ5 that is a problem, it is its layout. Moreover, I actually wish FZ5 had more power.

[flymike91]

true, i don't know of any professional drifters who drive rear-engine cars. except a porsche or two, but they probably have some ballast in the front.

[Kanzai]

I think this is R.I.D.I.C.U.L.O.U.S!Why would we need a drift car?We already have 5 RWD cars that can be easily drifted with the right setup!I'm yes a drifter myself and i say that we already have enough cars in the sim.I say -1 for a "drift car" and +1 for locking up this thread.

I have to agree, i joined LFS for drifting mostly, but we dont need another drift car. You can drift any RWD Car on there with the right setup, you could drift them all.

Kanzai says no to a drift car.

[Woz]

If most of the "drift community" that have responded to this thread say we dont need a drift car why does this forum suffer constant spam asking for things like more lock on cars, different rev limiter settings, road tyres on GTR cars etc etc etc.

The current cars are configured to race and are now balanced in their classes, something that has taken a few years to get to. We don't want them tweaked to ruin racing now we have them right.

I feel the poll should have been.

"Does the drift community want a car that allows drift specific settings?"

1) Yes please
2) No, I will shut up and never ask for drift specific setting in LFS.

:)

[woodymcruk]

:shrug:drifting is a technique and a form of motorsport and has been for years ,its also a style,and if executed correctly looks excellent,should be moulded into part of the game, obviously a new drift track would be good instead of those cones!,no extra cars are needed just user to experiment with setups diffrent types of drift (shift lock,power over,fein etc can be achieved with minimal config ,and good control
i say yes and stop hating you haters:thumb:

[kamkorPL]

If most of the "drift community" that have responded to this thread say we dont need a drift car why does this forum suffer constant spam asking for things like more lock on cars, different rev limiter settings, road tyres on GTR cars etc etc etc.

You are quite much wrong. Drifters asked for more steering lock. You made a poll about a drift car not the drifters(You also made that drift car suggestion on drift max lock thread). And therfore people started giving opinions what that drift car could be. Drifters were ofcourse included in this group of people, and also some guys(could be racers) that have absolutelly no idea what a drift car is, but still had to put their 5 cents into the discussion.

All I truly want is some other proper fast street car with good balance, good power and good weight - with FR layout. I'm sure racers wouldn't mind such car to race to as well. A car that all of you could build in real life for racing on track days, that isn't really a GTR car(very expensive). It could use street tires and as well semi slicks, or maybe even slicks too.

And I wish that insides were throwed away from current street cars. It's setups are very racey, in street cars that race in lfs that is. If someone in real life made such adjustements to the setup of the car he would have gotten rid off of all the useless stuff from the car as well. Or just make it an option. - > Nothing inside, just 1 bucket seat and optionally rollcage, or "Street interior".
Who needs this more weight after all anyway? LFS is not about making trips around the globe with 5 people in the car. ;)

[Snake2]

This is a RACE SIM not a drift sim, so no i dont think LFS should have a drift car. I for one was glad that they took the XRT out of the demo. Every time I joined a host there were chavs just pissing about doing donuts in the middle of the track and driving 100MPH throug the pit lane....THE RONG WAY.

I feel so much better now that i have said that. :schwitz:

[kamkorPL]

Please keep demo out of it. This doesn't concern demo at all. No one is suggesting anything for demo version.

And if you didn't like it before in demo when GTT was there you should have bought S2 and supported the devs that way.

[nofear85]

We should have our own drift-car, with a stronger clutch:D and the XRT should still have 9500RPM, instead of 7500 :)

[greg_slideways]

This is a RACE SIM not a drift sim, so no i dont think LFS should have a drift car. I for one was glad that they took the XRT out of the demo. Every time I joined a host there were chavs just pissing about doing donuts in the middle of the track and driving 100MPH throug the pit lane....THE RONG WAY.

I feel so much better now that i have said that. :schwitz:

Demo is nothing PART OF IT!! i see that There is a NEED for a drift car!! Peroid!

[Akeitsu]

I Will buy a license when i see a Drfit Car in game.:thumb:

[XCNuse]

:doh:
You guys have this all wrong, it isn't a drift car, it would be a "drift" CAPABLE vehicle, it in ordinary terms will be a track car.. I'm changing the title so it sorts out better.

[squidhead]

:doh:
You guys have this all wrong, it isn't a drift car, it would be a "drift" CAPABLE vehicle

basically any light, powerful RWD car would do :thumb:

[greg_slideways]

Not true RAC sucks for drifting!!!

[hrtburnout]

The cars we have now are perfectly fine drift cars. If you can't drift them, start practicing.

[squidhead]

Not true RAC sucks for drifting!!!

there are cars that can be abused by anyone, and there are cars that demand a good driver...The LX6 and the RAC are both from the second group :smileypul

[greg_slideways]

,,, I can drift them both.. but i can see all other noobs strugaling not reflected by me but what i have seen!

[squidhead]

,but i can see all other noobs strugaling

so your basing your opinion on noobs driving... cool

[greg_slideways]

tHE NOOBS IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED WITH!!

[davejah]

I think no and i am a drifter/racer myself in LFS. The XRT/FZ5 is good enough for drifting it have enough horsepower to link corners etc so a no for me :)

[flymike91]

An easier solution to all of this would be to remove the rev limiter on the XRT to patch X levels. I keep changing my mind on this issue, so today I feel LFS could benefit from any new car, especially a good track car.

[Woz]

You are quite much wrong. Drifters asked for more steering lock. You made a poll about a drift car not the drifters

Please read some of my posts. This thread was created because of the constant stream of requests to CHANGE the cars we have. It was trying to STOP the requests to CHANGE the current cars.

So even after the thread was started and the REASONS for it being started havee been posts a FEW time in this thread people still say.

"No, its OK we dont need a drift car we just want to change all the current cars".

If you look at the post above the post above this one is still asking for changes to the current cars for drifters. All he needs is to just change his gear ratios but no the car is wrong. No it has just changed and driving needs to change around it.

Hope that helps lol

[BlakjeKaas]

:doh:
You guys have this all wrong, it isn't a drift car, it would be a "drift" CAPABLE vehicle, it in ordinary terms will be a track car.. I'm changing the title so it sorts out better.

So... just a new car, like all others which are also capable of drifting.

[Smurfen]

So... just a new car, like all others which are also capable of drifting.

no, a car which is modified for drifting. Not racing.

[kamkorPL]

So... just a new car, like all others which are also capable of drifting.

Exactly yes.

But I secretly wish it would be something light, with things ripped off from the inside, with engine that has power and setup options with avaibility of for example more steering lock. :) I also wish it would have semi-slicks and slicks too besides normal/super tires.

So in other words, a base car that normal people could build for driving on track, but customize its suspension to its own needs -
for racing, drifting, or even drag racing if someone is into it. That would be nice.

[Riders Motion]

I don't even know what LFS cars are doing with an interior anyway. Since they are basically used on track, I think they all deserve to get a strip out and take the shit out of them. Ain't that right? :shrug:

[kamkorPL]

Since they are basically used on track, I think they all deserve to get a strip out and take the shit out of them. Ain't that right? :shrug:

As I said few times, exactly.

No one is using those cars to shop. If In real life I was going to use a car on a race track, modify it's suspension, tires, diffs, and lots more, first thing I would do is get rid of the interior and generally all the weighty parts I don't need. Cheap modification, yet very effective.

[[UKR] Race King]

why dont just someone lock this pointless thread:shrug:?as the vote showed we dont need a drift car so i cant see the point of existing of this thread:shrug:

[Smurfen]

Race King;646681']why dont just someone lock this pointless thread:shrug:?as the vote showed we dont need a drift car so i cant see the point of existing of this thread:shrug:

don't lock it, the devs havent given us a reply :D

[zeugnimod]

Race King;646681']why dont just someone lock this pointless thread:shrug:?as the vote showed we dont need a drift car so i cant see the point of existing of this thread:shrug:

The difference between the "yes" and "no" votes is only 36 so I don't think the vote clearly showed that. :shrug:

[gremwood]

We can drift road cars + GTR's already, so we clearly do not need a "drift car". I drift quite often as well, so it tells you how pointless this idea/thread is.

[kamkorPL]

There's difference beetwen "just drifting" and drifting. Just like there is a difference beetwen "just racing" and racing.

[Woz]

We can drift road cars + GTR's already, so we clearly do not need a "drift car". I drift quite often as well, so it tells you how pointless this idea/thread is.

You don't really appear to understand show drifting and why they would want 45+ lock etc. Show drift is all about how out of shape while holding it you can get.

BTW. This is coming from a racer!

Yes we can drift all the current cars and I have been known to from time to time BUT they do not allow the big rotations the drift community wants.

The thing is the current cars that have just been balanced for the first time in years after going through months of testing etc. There is friction against changing the cars for obvious reasons so this is the logical move with huge benefits all round.

If the thread were pointless then one of the mods would not have activly beeen involved trying to keep the balance on a "hot topic". He would have closed the thread but instead understands the merit so helped.

Hope that helps BTW :)

[ghost racer]

Yes, they should get a car with ∞ amount of steering lock.. and maybe model it off the XRG, and make a insane amount of turbo lag. :tilt:

[DeadWolfBones]

I'm all for it, if it reduces the amount of bitching on the forums.

[greg_slideways]

I agree lets jus give em sumtin to stop bit*h** about!! haha

[Dawen]

Race King;646681']why dont just someone lock this pointless thread:shrug:?as the vote showed we dont need a drift car so i cant see the point of existing of this thread:shrug:

The problem is that 134 drifters ( maby some of them are racers ) says yes we need a car for drifting, and 166 racers ( some of them are of course drifters too ) says that the drifters don´t need a car... This vote don´t say what we really need it only says that there are more racers than drifters in this game... of course the racers don´t need a car with more steering lock... I guess the numbers had been different if this thread only had been answered by drifters...
I know this is a racing sim but as we all know there are alot of people who drift in this sim too, why don´t let them have something just for them instead of whining that it´s a racing sim only when it is obvious that it´s a great sim for drifting too?

[Hankstar]

It's all very well to raise the point that racers outnumber drifters in the LFS community and say that because of that, polls/voting about drift-related features might not be all that fair, but LFS has always been developed and marketed as a sim for racing fans - which is exactly the reason racers outnumber drifters in the first place! It may sound obvious and even redundant to say that, but the simple fact is that Scavier marketed this game to a specific audience and, for the most part, they got exactly what they were after: people who want a realistic racing experience. The drifting seen in LFS thus far has really just been a (probably unintended) by-product of the excellent physics on offer. I think that the dear old XRT being a demo car for so long contributed to that in a huge way too, with its 1980s Japanese coupe good looks.

Regardless, LFS isn't developed by popular vote and there are only three people who decide what stays in the game, what gets added and what gets left out or removed (they do add things suggested by members but not many and not often). All the forum polls in the world won't change that. Asking the community with endless polls is pointless anyway - with racers outnumbering drifters as they do here, racers will always have superior numbers as well as a passion to keep what they view as unessential to racing out of the game. I can only speculate as to the developers' intentions but, based on the direction LFS has been going since 2003, it seems they're of the same mindset - replacing the XRT, the drift stalwart, with the new FBM seems like a strong indication of that.

[greg_slideways]

OMG hits it on the head love the post and agree with it...DO i agree that we shound not have drift car no,..well he didnt say no drift car but he implied it...We need one i still need to say that!!

[The Very End]

Just throw in a new modell of the XRT and name it driftmazda and everyones happy -.-

I don`t see the need for a drift car, all, or many of the road cars in LFS are perfect to drift with, why do you need any more?

[flymike91]

because you haven't read the seven pages of responses saying exactly why we should have one. Come on, take the time to do the reading.

[The Very End]

No I am not going to read the other pages, it`s the same all over.
We have plenty of good cars to drift with with the right setup. If you can`t manage to drift with those your not worthy asking for a drift car.

[frokki]

No I am not going to read the other pages, it`s the same all over.
We have plenty of good cars to drift with with the right setup. If you can`t manage to drift with those your not worthy asking for a drift car.A drift car differs from current cars when it comes to looks, power, tires and steering lock. Ability of who can drift what has nothing to do with this, and you should know it with that post count.

Admitting that you haven't read the thread in a stupid and useless post is even more stupid.

[The Very End]

A drift car differs from current cars when it comes to looks, power, tires and steering lock. Ability of who can drift what has nothing to do with this, and you should know it with that post count.

Admitting that you haven't read the thread in a stupid and useless post is even more stupid.

I readed some of the page, from page 4 and so on, but the rest - don`t botter.
And why should I need to read the topic, how many topics aren`t about the same damned thing?
It`s all been said before. People can`t even drift with the cars in game. They talking about horsepowers, wright balance and other stuff, well fine, maybe you got a point there. But if you can`t drift the cars in game, theres no chance in hell that you`ll manage to drift a propper drift car.
And why do we call it a drift car? As someone mention it, it`s about driftcapable cars.

-1 for this whole thing, this whole topic, and -1 to anyone that asks for a drift car again. There are lot of drift capable cars in game, if you can`t drift them - train more and get a setup, if you still don`t like it - learn to drive instead.

Edit : And why are you even speaking? You haven`t been online since 22 feb, am I right? A lot of things has changed since that, you should go and play some.

[[UKR] Race King]

I readed some of the page, from page 4 and so on, but the rest - don`t botter.
And why should I need to read the topic, how many topics aren`t about the same damned thing?
It`s all been said before. People can`t even drift with the cars in game. They talking about horsepowers, wright balance and other stuff, well fine, maybe you got a point there. But if you can`t drift the cars in game, theres no chance in hell that you`ll manage to drift a propper drift car.
And why do we call it a drift car? As someone mention it, it`s about driftcapable cars.

-1 for this whole thing, this whole topic, and -1 to anyone that asks for a drift car again. There are lot of drift capable cars in game, if you can`t drift them - train more and get a setup, if you still don`t like it - learn to drive instead.

Edit : And why are you even speaking? You haven`t been online since 22 feb, am I right? A lot of things has changed since that, you should go and play some.+1

[flymike91]

Very few people have actually said that they can't drift the cars in the game, you're being very ignorant. Many people just want to do it better, same thing as having a faster race car, we want a better, more specialized drift/track car.

[[UKR] Race King]

Very few people have actually said that they can't drift the cars in the game, you're being very ignorant. Many people just want to do it better, same thing as having a faster race car, we want a better, more specialized drift/track car.yes but no one ever asked for a race car as i know because its a sim game and it obviously that it has include racing cars not drifting cars:shrug:

[flymike91]

You can't simulate drifting? Something got lost in translation..Also there are about 64 pages of race cars people have requested here :http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=1917 so lets not say that racers have never asked for anything.

[[UKR] Race King]

You can't simulate drifting? Something got lost in translation..Also there are about 64 pages of race cars people have requested here :http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=1917 so lets not say that racers have never asked for anything.yeah as i can see you dont know how read i didn't say that you can't simulate drifting i said that lfs it not a drifting simulation and thats why the devs pay more attention to improve racing not drifting

[The Very End]

Very few people have actually said that they can't drift the cars in the game, you're being very ignorant. Many people just want to do it better, same thing as having a faster race car, we want a better, more specialized drift/track car.

I`m not beeing ignorant.
All I say it`s opinions, opinios about drift questions lately. I canot understand really how people can ask for cars, when not one single car that the community has asked for have been implented in-game. Of course, the BMW cars proved that they added real contest into the game, but it was not because someone made a topic about it.
Don`t missunderstand me right, every suggestion needs to be taken serious, or at least a little serious.

My serious oppinion is that I, IMO, don`t see the see use, or need for a drift capable car in the game. There are at least 3-4 cars in game that are perfectly good for that. Sure, you`ll need a setup for it, and a lot of practice, but still, 3-4 cars are allready in-game that are possible to drift with. I fail to see why the developers should use time and effort to try importing cars, like skyline, or other japanese cars, just to please the people that never search the forum, but allways have to scream out about giving me that, and that blabal, and drift cars and drift tracks AH! Am so...tired of it. Why does you drift people allways have to make a new topic when you see that there is like 10 of them on like 5 sides on the improvment suggestion forum?

Don`t get me wrong, you deserve to be able to tell your opinion and ask for what you want, but I think that the drift community in LFS shows time after time that they are not mature enough, and makes themselfe fools by asking questions that have been asked before, probally on the same page of forum aswell. Now, I`ll agree that to a certain degree there has been good answerings from drifting people in this topic, but I`ll rest my case, we have enough contest in LFS that suits both racing, rallycross, drag and drift. It`s a matter how you use the game. The setups is everything, aswell as practice. Hell, even the FOX can be drifted pretty good with training and setup.

I`ll hope this topic can be closed, since it only will produce negative comments eighter way.

[XCNuse]

So you're saying you don't want an all out track car originated from a road car?

Which is capable of drifting if wanted to?

[The Very End]

I`m not sure if I got that, correct me if I`m wrong.
As far as I do understand you, you ask me to list those cars that is suited to drift?

XRT - easy
FZR - rather hard, still it will work
lx4 - lacks some power, maybe, but can go
Lx6 - a demon, hard, furious, but it can be drifted if your easy on the trottle

Thats at at least 4 cars that are suitable to drift.

To the first part of your post, as far as I do understand you, you asking me if I don`t want a powerfull road car?
Of course I want that, but I think that it would be better with a new type of car now, or something completely different, a track, tho we got a new track config in the new patch.


Ahhh edit : Think I did get that post now. You asking if I don`t want a new road car, that new car can also be used / capable to drift with. Sorry my shitty english.

[kamkorPL]

The Very End:

www.bartdrift.pl is a drifter I've persuaded to get a G25 and start playing LFS. He was amazed with its realism, but when I showed him I'm drifting a porshe looking car(FZ5) he was like.. ":dunce:

He likes XRT but still sees it's not a good car. His opinion is that LFS lacks a proper car for drifting.

You have no understanding of drifting as a motorsport, and most likely never took drifting in lfs to a limit, and cannot see the advantage of a new street car that would have more power, good weight balance and more setup options like(more than 36 degrees steering lock. The "hack tool" that allows values change proofs that 45 already helps a lot).

LFS is a race sim? Cool, but I don't think anyone would mind another street car that has a handling of XRT and power of FZ5, or even more power than FZ5.

What you say is: You can just race a 40hp FWD car around the track, so why getting a GTR car since you can race with that 40hp FWD car too.

[gohfeld23]

Just for the record, LFS is NOT a car racing sim.
It's a vehicle physics sim....quite a difference.

The reason why we have racers, drifters, jumpers and even cruisers is that the simulation part of the car/enviroment physics in LFS are amazing.
Like in the realworld, physics don't limit you to what you can do with a vehicle by their nature; eg racing, drifting, tricks, etc

Limiting any of those in LFS would reduce it to the arcade equivalent of NFS; a prescripted BS "GAME".

LFS needs nothing changed for drifters and racers to happily coexist, aside from ONE vehicle with the above mentioned specs.
It needs no physics engine modifications, not change in behavior algorythms, none of it.

I'd velcome a street/track car in LFS for the simple reasons of having more content; a benefit to ALL LFS lovers.

Sadly some people here misunderstand the beauty of LFS thus fight everything that isn't "racing", yet do so in hatchbacks while spending half their time on cruise servers. :shrug:

I'd love a fast reving, light, balanced and tuned track car in LFS that can be tweaked for drifting too (large lock and power on demand) thats NOT a race car ala GTR.

For all the nonbelievers, try this.
Take a FZ5, add maximum voluntary weight and set to to 100% front, raceS with 98% parallel and see the potential beauty of a well balanced strong non-racing car. If you don't get that, you really dont get LFS, IMO.

[XCNuse]

Ahhh edit : Think I did get that post now. You asking if I don`t want a new road car, that new car can also be used / capable to drift with. Sorry my shitty english.
No worries, at least I got another person to understand the difference :tilt:

[Woz]

No worries, at least I got another person to understand the difference :tilt:

I guess I should have thouight about the original wording more on the first post and title lol

Too many people see a drift car as a car that could never be used for anything else. but if setup right would make a great track car :)

[flymike91]

just like well setup race cars make great drift cars. I don't see why people wouldn't be excited for any new addition to the game.

[srdsprinter]

At some point, LFS should get a "drift" car. Sure, maybe 2-3 so they can have a class.

But for now, as LFS is an online racing sim, it needs a lot of other more pressing things.

After all this time I'm in a little bit of dis-belief there is no RWD mGTR or LMP class.

Anywho, yes at some point is my answer, but my vote is no for now :D

[henrico-20-]

I don't see any problem if there would be a new car with powers of a FZ5, FR drive, good balance, 45 steeringlock, 17/18inch wheels, little bodykit ( or for the racers that doesn't like bodykit and 18 inch rims. an option to choose standard body or kit and standard rims or 18 inch like the option for uf1 lx4 lx6 with and without roof ) :)

realy don't understand why people don't want a drift orientated car in LFS car simulator. it will bring LFS more users, drifters are happy, racers can use the car for racing so they are also happy. and the argument; it wil bring to much NFS ricers to the game is ******!! LFS is an simulator wich is great for drifting, cruising, banger, racing, drag. when NFS ricers will try this game they will notice that they always will end in the wall with NFS style racing so they will adjust themselves. ;)

and why is drag racing in the game then? i'll bet there are 10 times more drifters then drag racers.


plz racers explain with good reason ( and yes i'm a racer to that drift also )( and sorry about my bad english :D)

[squidhead]

I think I MIGHT have just thought of a solution
we need a new class of cars, like LRF but more powerfull
something like a
M5 lookalike vs Lancer EVO FQ400 Looalike vs a Muscle car...

now, we see 3 different cars which could be balanced for equal racing and 2 of them are capable of drifting...
is it me or would it really make
1) Drifters happy
2) Racers happy
3) Rally Cross racers happy :scratchch

[ATC Quicksilver]

Well I think the idea that was suggested earlier, having a car that fits in the XFR/UFR catergory would work. I think you would need to have 2 options, Race and Drift, maybe with a server side restriction. Race would enable the slick tyres and also limit some settings to stop unrealistic settings for a race car. Drift would enable more drift like settings, like more steering lock and also disable slicks.

The problem with it is that if the Devs did that then they would accept that drifting is a form of motorsport they want to simulate. Which would mean more requests from the drifters, which is why I am slightly against it. You would get people asking for proper drift tracks, with a system for scoring and custom bodykits and coloured smoke...etc. I would like it just to gain a racing car in the XFR/UFE category that is RWD, but I would be happy if it didn't have the option to be used as a drift car.

[waider]

The problem is that 134 drifters ( maby some of them are racers ) says yes we need a car for drifting, and 166 racers ( some of them are of course drifters too ) says that the drifters don´t need a car... This vote don´t say what we really need it only says that there are more racers than drifters in this game... of course the racers don´t need a car with more steering lock... I guess the numbers had been different if this thread only had been answered by drifters...
I know this is a racing sim but as we all know there are alot of people who drift in this sim too, why don´t let them have something just for them instead of whining that it´s a racing sim only when it is obvious that it´s a great sim for drifting too?


I'am mostly a drifter, but I'am also a "racer" and I'am in both drift and race team (JDM*F and FRH)! I've voted no, since XRT and FZ5 can already be called drift cars since they drift well!
The real drifting community of LFS (which is not here) of LFS torque even don't create shitty threads like this because we're plain satisfied with the cars we have.
LFS dont need a "drift" car, drift need to be performed by someone who have skills....

[BlakjeKaas]

I guess I should have thouight about the original wording more on the first post and title lol

Too many people see a drift car as a car that could never be used for anything else. but if setup right would make a great track car :)

ok, but what is the difference between a track car that can be setup for a drift car and a drift car which can be setup for a track car...

It just sounds so useless...

I'm not saying I don't want a track oriented driftcar (or w/e), but I'd rather have a different car...

[Dawen]

I'am mostly a drifter, but I'am also a "racer" and I'am in both drift and race team (JDM*F and FRH)! I've voted no, since XRT and FZ5 can already be called drift cars since they drift well!
The real drifting community of LFS (which is not here) of LFS torque even don't create shitty threads like this because we're plain satisfied with the cars we have.
LFS dont need a "drift" car, drift need to be performed by someone who have skills....

lol... those cars are able to drift but are NOT drift cars... every RWD car are able to "drift" but a car made for drifting are able to DRIFT... if you had ever seen or driven drifting IRL you would know the difference between for example a stock volvo 740 and a S15 silvia... yes the volvo is really fun to ride sideways and are able to drift but it is just not the same thing as a silvia
I never said I need a drift car... I said I want a drift car to make it more fun than it already is...
The talk about skills don´t give anything to this discussion... do you really think that every one that want a new car aren´t able to handle the ones we have?

by the way... The real drifting community of LFS (which is not here) of LFS torque even don't create shitty threads like this because we're plain satisfied with the cars we have
You don´t think that the threads are created here because the developers might read the threads here?
I don´t understand why you need to whine about that some people want a new car that are able to drift better, they won´t take away the cars you like to drive to add another car... just don´t drive the new one if there ever would be any... use your powerful drifting skills to drive the great drift car FZ5 instead :)

[JTbo]

But who would not like? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw4SU-Wnp_o)

[gohfeld23]

But who would not like? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw4SU-Wnp_o)
Lol, talk about a "sleeper".

"Honey, I'm gonna go pick up the kids and get that shelf from IKEA....AWAROOOMRRRR..eeeeeee

Something very disturbing about an overpowered Volvo:nod:

[JTbo]

Lol, talk about a "sleeper".

"Honey, I'm gonna go pick up the kids and get that shelf from IKEA....AWAROOOMRRRR..eeeeeee

Something very disturbing about an overpowered Volvo:nod:

Brutal, I presume? :D

But that would be 4 door car which many has wished, powerful car to be used in drift too and specially not other sims have had such thing ever, also peoples minds would be shocked and they would learn how image in head is not always truth behind things.

Perfect solution, IMO :razz:

[waider]

lol... those cars are able to drift but are NOT drift cars... every RWD car are able to "drift" but a car made for drifting are able to DRIFT... if you had ever seen or driven drifting IRL you would know the difference between for example a stock volvo 740 and a S15 silvia... yes the volvo is really fun to ride sideways and are able to drift but it is just not the same thing as a silvia
I never said I need a drift car... I said I want a drift car to make it more fun than it already is...
The talk about skills don´t give anything to this discussion... do you really think that every one that want a new car aren´t able to handle the ones we have?

by the way...
You don´t think that the threads are created here because the developers might read the threads here?
I don´t understand why you need to whine about that some people want a new car that are able to drift better, they won´t take away the cars you like to drive to add another car... just don´t drive the new one if there ever would be any... use your powerful drifting skills to drive the great drift car FZ5 instead :)

Are you aware that you'll never get this "drift" car...
Just notice that the cars setup are adjustable just like on a drift car with big camber! The power is not here but the tire burn so fast that more power would be useless! The only thing drifters might need is the 45° maximum lock which is also not a "must to have" since people with skills can handle big drift angle.
Before even think about get a drift dedicated car, it would be better for the devs to fix the tires problem, because actually a "500hp S15 JDM Yoooooooo" would be just useless....

And thanks but I know the difference between a stock car and a drift car, I've been to Japan twice and have some friends there who practice drift and their cars are closer (in tuning level) to an XRT than a big D1 grand prix monster.....

[dennisgtr32]

i just hate volvo. In my town only people having a volvo is the people that are either having a family or if the car looks like that they are screwing around with every girl in the 15-16 year they can find... -,-

NO offence but if a volvo gets in to lfs i will quit playing... -.-

[minage]

I voted no.
I love drift with this game but i don't know why build a specific drift car...
If you want to drift, just make the right set-up...

A drift track mmm that's a great idea.
Maybe something like city track with lots of turns could be very funny and interesting.
I really wish a mountain track :) (yes very jap-style but street-rally too) :)

[henrico-20-]

I voted no.
I love drift with this game but i don't know why build a specific drift car...
If you want to drift, just make the right set-up...

A drift track mmm that's a great idea.
Maybe something like city track with lots of turns could be very funny and interesting.
I really wish a mountain track :) (yes very jap-style but street-rally too) :)

To bad u'r a demo user..., if there would be a mountain track, you coudn't use it :D

[sdrjfd1]

i just hate volvo. In my town only people having a volvo is the people that are either having a family or if the car looks like that they are screwing around with every girl in the 15-16 year they can find... -,-

NO offence but if a volvo gets in to lfs i will quit playing... -.-

And those wo have no volvo, are not family heads or can screw with gearls are like you, who have too much time to think :razz: .

Psychologie for dummies in 24 hours is a realy good book... hahaha:uglyhamme

To bad u'r a demo user..., if there would be a mountain track, you coudn't se it :D

And, do we need to wait 10-15 years after the order to get the licence, like for Lada's and Trabant's in old days ... ? :D

[henrico-20-]

And, do we need to wait 10-15 years after the order to get the licence, like for Lada's and Trabant's in old days ... ? :D


is that the only reason why you don't have an S2 license? :D

[BigPeBe]

Let me say one thing. We don't need a drift car, because we already have it, XRT, with good settings it goes very nicely. BUT, we want to improve it little bit, with 36 degree lock it is very nice too, but it could be so much more fun with 45, I have tried and it was awesome when I used the all 900 degree rotation of my wheel. with that ~250hp it is very nice and fun too, but with something like ~400hp it would be so much more. It could do so much more wider and longer slides with 45 degrees and 400hp.

I'm maybe more like of a racer, but I really love drifting too, because that's easy to just goto the track and have some fun, with racing you have to always find a proper server and then wait to race start and drive to finish line. Racing is the thing what heats me up and I love it, but drifting is like relaxing with getting sweaty at same time. And when I wan't to drive LFS, but don't have too much time, I can't race because it likes to take hours. But I can drift because I can just take the XRT and goto the track and start hammering my pedals.

Right now we can have "teh superious drifting machine" in version V with tweaks and valuemod and its great fun in SP and in LAN connection with my friend, but you can't still take it out to have a run in proper servers.

But I don't demand anything, I'm happy with this too. Even the stock XRG is very fun drifting toy.

[henrico-20-]

Let me say one thing. We don't need a drift car, because we already have it, XRT, with good settings it goes very nicely. BUT, we want to improve it little bit, with 36 degree lock it is very nice too, but it could be so much more fun with 45, I have tried and it was awesome when I used the all 900 degree rotation of my wheel. with that ~250hp it is very nice and fun too, but with something like ~400hp it would be so much more. It could do so much more wider and longer slides with 45 degrees and 400hp.

I'm maybe more like of a racer, but I really love drifting too, because that's easy to just goto the track and have some fun, with racing you have to always find a proper server and then wait to race start and drive to finish line. Racing is the thing what heats me up and I love it, but drifting is like relaxing with getting sweaty at same time. And when I wan't to drive LFS, but don't have too much time, I can't race because it likes to take hours. But I can drift because I can just take the XRT and goto the track and start hammering my pedals.

Right now we can have "teh superious drifting machine" in version V with tweaks and valuemod and its great fun in SP and in LAN connection with my friend, but you can't still take it out to have a run in proper servers.

But I don't demand anything, I'm happy with this too. Even the stock XRG is very fun drifting toy.

Yes XRT is a good car to drift only there are a few things that must be changed to make it better;

- More horsepowers ( 350 / 400 bhp for longer faster slides )
- 45 degrees lock for more angel and controling yr drift )
- better tires that are not to hot after one lap.
- higer rpm like it was in patch X! now when u are in a drift yr car gets to early in the rev limiter and yr car gets unstable.


The tires, steering lock and rev limiter are the most important

in reality you can use yr tires about 30 minutes. in lfs 2 minutes and then it feels like driving on ice.

[frokki]

in reality you can use yr tires about 30 minutes. in lfs 2 minutes and then it feels like driving on ice.Tyre heating may feel a bit too fast in LFS, but I doubt that nobody drifts 30 minutes with any kind of tires in real life...

[hrtburnout]

Yes XRT is a good car to drift only there are a few things that must be changed to make it better;

- More horsepowers ( 350 / 400 bhp for longer faster slides )
- 45 degrees lock for more angel and controling yr drift )
- better tires that are not to hot after one lap.
- higer rpm like it was in patch X! now when u are in a drift yr car gets to early in the rev limiter and yr car gets unstable.


The tires, steering lock and rev limiter are the most important

in reality you can use yr tires about 30 minutes. in lfs 2 minutes and then it feels like driving on ice.

Then adapt to the situation. The tire heat problems can be solved by using Road Normals, instead of Road Supers. Change your gear ratios if you hit the limiter while drifting. Maybe you need to change to a different technique if 247bhp is not enough for you.

[squidhead]

- More horsepowers ( 350 / 400 bhp for longer faster slides )
- 45 degrees lock for more angel and controling yr drift )
- better tires that are not to hot after one lap.
- higer rpm like it was in patch X! now when u are in a drift yr car gets to early in the rev limiter and yr car gets unstable.


I don't see how that will not spoil a great car :shrug:

[BigPeBe]

Well at least it wouldn't spoil anything if there would be two versions of XRT. Original and this... umm drift car.

[XCNuse]

There is no need to adapt, many of you guys keep bringing up the word adaption, that is in no way what this thread is about, it's about a race car that has capabilities of drifting, it's got a big turbo, bigger engine, rollcage, and some wings and spoilers for downforce.

This thread has NOTHING to do with the XRT in any form.

[JTbo]

Yes/No? It has American V8, many HP, will drift long :tilt:


http://www.gatebil.no/images_lib/startsiden/taxi2_3.jpg

[ghost racer]

Yes/No? It has American V8, many HP, will drift long :tilt:


http://www.gatebil.no/images_lib/startsiden/taxi2_3.jpg

I'd really love to see more of a closed wheel roadster AC like with a V8.. Although a v8 station wagon, would be fun :)

[JTbo]

I'd really love to see more of a closed wheel roadster AC like with a V8.. Although a v8 station wagon, would be fun :)

With this sound (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg0Pe092Jho) and this kind of abilities (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cawWy9hjxI) it would be quite interesting drift car :nod:

[henrico-20-]

Then adapt to the situation. The tire heat problems can be solved by using Road Normals, instead of Road Supers. Change your gear ratios if you hit the limiter while drifting. Maybe you need to change to a different technique if 247bhp is not enough for you.

I'm using Normals allready and still verry hot after one maybe ona and a half lap. changed my ratio's but any drifter agrees that the change from 9500 to 7500 is bad for drifting. now you must change gear a lot more what makes it more difficult. and yes i did practise and getting more and more to my old level but its just not the same.

p.s. love yr Avater ;)

I don't see how that will not spoil a great car :shrug:

read what i have written behind those points :smileypul

There is no need to adapt, many of you guys keep bringing up the word adaption, that is in no way what this thread is about, it's about a race car that has capabilities of drifting, it's got a big turbo, bigger engine, rollcage, and some wings and spoilers for downforce.

This thread has NOTHING to do with the XRT in any form.


I know but i've written about XRT to show what must be changed to make a XRT the prefect drift "CAPABEL" car :razz:

I would love having cars like this in LFS, Big turbo, no interiors, Imoprt 18inch rims, wings, bodykit, drift options like written above

Nissan S13 ( XRT look a like )
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/smabo/neko-jpn05a-066.jpg

Toyota AE86:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/mcnomura/Picture123008.jpg

Nissan S13 Silvia:
http://www.avoncustom.co.uk/downloads/vert_s13_1024.jpg

And wouldn't it be fun for racing?? :D

[heson]

I got a wild idea and made me a drift car.
Recipe:
1 pcs LX6
110 kg iron at the front axle
some Nm extra spring at the front
damper tune to tase

Result:
I like it, the extra weight balances the ketchup effect, it still got lots of power (300bhp/ton) and a easy to handle 56,8%F weight distribution.
There is however some (read alot) of mid speed understeer (probably due to my crappy setup skill) but read my sig on that matter.

(This weight penalty system is quite a powerful mod tool if you are willing to drive a slower car)

[rainspecialist]

isnt the xrt and fzs enough 4 drifting?
(im glad the xrt is gone!!!!!! no more noobs drifting it!!!!!! in ur race):)

fbm is way better thx devs!

[henrico-20-]

isnt the xrt and fzs enough 4 drifting?
(im glad the xrt is gone!!!!!! no more noobs drifting it!!!!!! in ur race):)

fbm is way better thx devs!

How do you know about speeds of an FZ5? are you using a Cracked version..?

and about those noobs.. yes thats on demo servers! on S2 servers you don't see things like that..

[ghost racer]

I'm using Normals allready and still verry hot after one maybe ona and a half lap. changed my ratio's but any drifter agrees that the change from 9500 to 7500 is bad for drifting. now you must change gear a lot more what makes it more difficult. and yes i did practice and getting more and more to my old level but its just not the same.


But in reality you would loose ALOT of torque at that high of a RPM. I never had super short gearing on the XRT, so I didn't have a drastic change. I feel you hit redline alot more realistically now.

[bubbles]

The idea has its merits but its downsides too.

O/T:

Grammatical point: drifting is another form of motorsport, unrelated to racing.


So is drag racing. Your point being?

But I can set the xrt to drift though I wouldnt mind 600hp xrt+:tilt:

[RyD3R]

You Need a Special Car for Drifting!! :thumb::nod::D:thumbsup:

[tristancliffe]

Drag racing is another form of motorsport, completely related to racing - that's why it's called Drag RACING. If it wasn't related to racing it'd be called "Drag Showing Off". Which is more of a Tim Curry thing.

[ponczak]

YES!
racers have over than 900 combos for racing.
i pay for LFS and i'm drifter, so car for drifting isn't that big problem for DEVS, and it will greatest gift from devs ever :)
lfs is ONLY RACING sim?
cruise servers = racing servers eh? sure...

[BlueFlame]

But obviously I touched a nerve with you. But it's true - drift cars have stickers on the wrong way round for no real reason other than the driver being able to admire himself skidding about in the reflections of glass fronted buildings.
Tristan, even only just reading your final post here, I can see that once again, I can, but only agree with you 100%.

Drift car is a stupid idea, There is no difference between a 'drift' car and a race car anyway, both slicks/racing seats/racing suspension/racing engines, the only thing that is different is the setup...... The GTR XRR actually looks alot like something you would see in D1GP, so instead of making a new car and wasting time, why not make the car more driftable, because to me, it's a REAL hard one to keep a slide going, unless someone can prove otherwise, and go against this idea futhermore!

[BlueFlame]

But who would not like? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw4SU-Wnp_o)
Well, in enginerical terms, it mis-fires like a BITCH. I thought I would of been 5 cylinders but it wasn't :( It's kinda cool to see a Volvo with alot of Power tho, they are just Boxes with wheels on (the old ones anyway) something I like about the box shape, I would love to have an only 750i Estate, and make it look like the BTCC cars :P

[Smurfen]

i was on Rudskogen and saw that taxi, it had sidepipes inside the skirt and the skirt had melted :D

[Woz]

Well, in enginerical terms, it mis-fires like a BITCH. I thought I would of been 5 cylinders but it wasn't :( It's kinda cool to see a Volvo with alot of Power tho, they are just Boxes with wheels on (the old ones anyway) something I like about the box shape, I would love to have an only 750i Estate, and make it look like the BTCC cars :P

(NOTE: I am not a big fan of drift BUT see the need for a car. Please take the time to read)

Nice to see you ONLY read the last post before you decide what the poll is ACTUALLY about. Shame as XCNuse, a forum mod, has tried to get people to understand. Quick recap of the problem...

Drifters want huge huge lock on their cars so they can hold big angles. If we allow these big locks, 45+ deg, on the cars it will allow people to catch mistakes in a race that under normal conditions would not be catchable. For obvious reason this is NOT wanted.

Drifters also want a car with far more power than the XRT. The FZ5 is more powerful but does NOT have the right balance. Changing ANY of the cars we have is also a BAD idea because we have just been through 2 patches worth of balancing. The last thing we want is to bugger that up.

Yes we ALL know you can drift the current cars before you start that broken record that keep coming up from different people.

As you yourself have pointed out, the main difference IS setup. Nobody would disagree with that. But LFS setup does not allow the extreme settings wanted by the drifters. We already KNOW we don't want to allow these extremes on the current cars.

So having a car that allows the extremes wanted by the drifters keeps the cars we have in good shape, does not allow catches of mistakes that should not be catchable etc.

The plus side for us racers, we get a new well balanced powerful RWD car to play with that when given a race setup will be a great fun car.

hmmmmm. That should make everyone happy? No?

Hope that helps you understand :)

(Over half the people who voted appear to understand anyway)

[BlueFlame]

(NOTE: I am not a big fan of drift BUT see the need for a car. Please take the time to read)

Nice to see you ONLY read the last post before you decide what the poll is ACTUALLY about.


I took the time to read and why do you think I only read the last post? I said I only read TRISTANS last post.

The FZ5 is more powerful but does NOT have the right balance.I don't really get where you are coming from because it's the best car to drift with it's more predictable the the XRT for me, and it has the power to boot you out of the corners, it also has weight at the back to help loom the backend around and dig the tires in at the right time when exiting a corner.


Changing ANY of the cars we have is also a BAD idea because we have just been through 2 patches worth of balancing. The last thing we want is to bugger that up.


This I agree with

Yes we ALL know you can drift the current cars before you start that broken record that keep coming up from different people.

But the point is, if you can drift the current cars, why do you need a NEW car to do something you can already do?

You can't DRIFT better In one car than in another to the same extent you can't RACE a car better than you can RACE another.

It doesn't matter if that car 'isnt for you' the fact you need a NEW car to balance that out, for what seems like a minority is stupid, I like drifting, haven't been on a drift server for a while, but I enjoy gunning it stupidly in a corner as much as the next guy, If I can drift admireably and happily with XRT, XRG, FZ5, LX4 and LX6, or even the RB4 or FXO, yes FXO. Why can't you guys?

[XCNuse]

Then lets swipe all the cars out of LFS, oh the XRR is only a faster souped up version of the XRT so it can go, but then again the XRT is only a souped up version of the XR so that can go, the XF GTR can go cause.. it's just a GTi with more power.. FXO can go too since it's just a GTi with a different body, little longer, but it's mainly the same thing with a turbo.

Lets give LFS a bycicle and thats all we need.


(by the way, there is no need to balance this car because most surely it'll be in a class of its own)

[BlueFlame]

I will re-itterate my point, as I knew this would happen, I thought it would be someone with a lack of interlect, not you XCNuse... Although what you posted was funny :D

Why would one need a special DRIFT car, specifically made for DRIFTING, when you can already DRIFT with the other DRIFTING cars YOU DRIFTING DRIFT DRIFTITY DRIFT person.

And my point about saying you can't DRIFT better in another car goes THIS far, if one were to poll up for a Drag Racing car, that would be a 100% yes for me, because it's a specialist car for drag racing, you wouldn't see one going around a circuit. That's the thing about drifting, just lower your tire-pressures for GOD sake and just drive at a nice speed all you have with a 'drift' car is a new car with more steering lock, so basically all you need would be XRR with more steering lock, but what would be the point in that?