Best League Website

[DeadWolfBones]

This is a large pool of nominees and each of them is worthy of the honor.

Both STCC and CTRA were nominated, which might be splitting the vote. Please bear in mind exactly which one you want to vote for when making your vote.

Open Wheel Racing League: http://www.owrl.de/
League of the Americas: http://www.lfs-lota.net/
CTRA Race Authority: http://www.raceauthority.com/
Sim Touring Car Cup: http://www.simtouringcarcup.com/
Masters of Endurance: http://www.mastersofendurance.eu/
Original Live for Speed League: http://www.lfs-league.com/

(Please note that I did not personally select the nominees for each category. There was a nomination period (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=34740) in which anyone could submit nominations. With a few exceptions, the nominees in these polls were those who received more than one nomination each in the given category. For a full explanation of the process used to select the nominees, look here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=35285).)

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Honorable Mentions (all with one nomination each):

Battle of the Teams: http://www.battleoftheteams.net/
eSport-Racing eTM: http://www.esport-racing.com/
Torsdagsrace: http://torsdagsrace.liveforspeed.se/hem

[Tweaker]

CTRA's site is a league site? I think not :really:

[Kaw]

CTRA's site is a league site? I think not :really:


My thought to. Well if its the case. Might as well close the poll allready! :P

[DeadWolfBones]

Yeah, that was a tough call for me. Technically it is part of their league system, but I don't feel it's a league site in the traditional sense. However, it was among the most nominated and it's nebulous, so I let it slide.

If it does end up winning in a landslide, we can have a secondary award for Best League Website That Isn't Raceauthority.com. :shy:

[dawesdust_12]

Another little caveot too, is that the CTRA doesn't have one of its larger features that would give it a League classification.

[Blackout]

Is CTRA a league? I always thought it's the game thing you need to collect points.

[Töki (HUN)]

What about ours? http://advancedsimracing.com (http://advancedsimracing.com/) :D

EDIT: misread the title of the topic....We're not a league :D but have a nice site IMO

[SamH]

Is CTRA a league? I always thought it's the game thing you need to collect points.
Hmm.. sounds like a league to me, no? :)

FTR, we devised the CTRA to be a tiered "rolling league", and designed the website to reflect that. I don't know what's missing from the CTRA website that makes it less of a league website than any other league's site, except that it's 100% accessible by any and all LFSers. Anyone can enter. Not just anyone can succeed, however. If that condemns the website, fair enough. Either you or I can edit the poll and drop the CTRA site. It would be nice to get a bit of recognition for the work that's gone in to the CTRA site, but we certainly don't need it, especially if it's going to tread on other leagues' toes. Tis the season, and all that :)

[DeadWolfBones]

Hmm.. sounds like a league to me, no? :)

FTR, we devised the CTRA to be a tiered "rolling league", and designed the website to reflect that. I don't know what's missing from the CTRA website that makes it less of a league website than any other league's site, except that it's 100% accessible by any and all LFSers. Anyone can enter. Not just anyone can succeed, however. If that condemns the website, fair enough. Either you or I can edit the poll and drop the CTRA site. It would be nice to get a bit of recognition for the work that's gone in to the CTRA site, but we certainly don't need it, especially if it's going to tread on other leagues' toes. Tis the season, and all that :)

That was the understanding under which I allowed it. I.e., that it would eventually produce league racing action.

[Blackout]

FTR, we devised the CTRA to be a tiered "rolling league", and designed the website to reflect that. I don't know what's missing from the CTRA website that makes it less of a league website than any other league's site, except that it's 100% accessible by any and all LFSers. Anyone can enter. Not just anyone can succeed, however. If that condemns the website, fair enough. Either you or I can edit the poll and drop the CTRA site. It would be nice to get a bit of recognition for the work that's gone in to the CTRA site, but we certainly don't need it, especially if it's going to tread on other leagues' toes. Tis the season, and all that :)

Well, I think a league is something where organized race events are held. There is a schedule, and a limited amount of races per season where you can score points, and in the end the one with the most points is declared as a winner.

CTRA is not a league, because there amount of time you spend on the servers contributes on your position. Having bad results doesn't harm because you have almost unlimited amount of races.

Someone says you "join a league", what do you really think, CTRA servers? Please.

Basically, I think it's completely against the general idea of League racing in LFS.

It will get trophies in some category, don't worry about that Sam.

[SamH]

In the early part of 2008, the X-League system will appear. It doesn't replace any of the existing X-System functionality, but will extend it to allow leagues, tournaments and events within the existing CTRA system. Teams and organizers will be able to spawn these themselves, from within the CTRA X-System. :)

[Blackout]

In the early part of 2008, the X-League system will appear. It doesn't replace any of the existing X-System functionality, but will extend it to allow leagues, tournaments and events within the existing CTRA system. Teams and organizers will be able to spawn these themselves, from within the CTRA X-System. :)

Shouldn't have any effect on this year should it? :razz:

[SamH]

Wasn't actually what I was saying.

Geez, pull us out, please.

[Tweaker]

That was the understanding under which I allowed it. I.e., that it would eventually produce league racing action.
Therefore, not a league yet?

League racing is organized racing purely amongst a select group of people. CTRA is not like this at all simply because you come and go as you please and race whoever -- whenever, there are no scheduled/organized races on certain dates, no championship points, and it is all just a system of logging points when you go race on their servers.

I'd only classify CTRA as a league website until they meet that criteria.

Now if there were a category for Best LFS Website (I am surprised there isn't such a category), I think CTRA would win that, because it has been the most active one most likely, and so many people know about it. Not trying to pull the plug on you guys for this poll, because I know you'd win in a proper category... this one just doesn't fit. And personally I don't understand why MoE's website is the best, since it looks horrible and is outdated... lol.

EDIT: Interesting outlook Sam :up:

[SamH]

I'm simply satisfied that we've done everything we could do to deliver a stonkingly good driver, team and country racing statistics website. We're proud of it and that's all the affirmation I need. I'm happy to be excluded from this category if being included means it ruffles feathers :)

[DeadWolfBones]

Personally I have no problem with it remaining. It might be nice when it comes time to announce the winners to mention the Best League Website That Is Not CTRA, as I said before.

[SamH]

I'm happy with that too, DWB. Any way you wanna play it :)

[james12s]

how about the best leauge website and best organised leauge website

[Storm_Cloud]

I voted for OWRL.

CTRA is very good, no doubt about it. However I spend more time on owrl.de and it is very well organised with everything from the tracker, next event info, replays, standings, forum and results all in easy reach. They even have archived results from very old seasons. Also, most things are in English and German, which is very thoughtful.

[BURN]

I voted for OWRL.

CTRA is very good, no doubt about it. However I spend more time on owrl.de and it is very well organised with everything from the tracker, next event info, replays, standings, forum and results all in easy reach. They even have archived results from very old seasons. Also, most things are in English and German, which is very thoughtful.

I can confirm that 100% ;)

[Dygear]

My god, people still uses tables? (Take a look at the source code, and eh who on earth still uses iframes?)

[DeadWolfBones]

My god, people still uses tables? (Take a look at the source code, and eh who on earth still uses iframes?)

Which site are you talking about?

[dawesdust_12]

CTRA.

Maybe we'll haffto kick him hard enough to redo it with CSS, which I thought he did, seeing those were his original intentions.

[SamH]

Meh.. anyone who knows anything knows that tables are STILL valid markup for delivering tabular data. :razz: Most of the site is delivering tabular content. But most of all, I've expressed my disdain for the self-appointed W3C on many occasions, and given just a taste of my reasons. As far as I'm concerned, if a site renders as intended in all major browsers, there's no need to entertain the faux-snobbery of the W3C :)

[Tweaker]

I concur on his notion about iframes though :doh:

But hey, I don't think a site should be frowned upon just by different style of code.... after all, if it works and looks presentable... it works.

[SamH]

Eeek! Yesh.. the iframe on licence lookup was actually intended as a temporary workaround, to deliver Becky's PHP coded page in my ASP site. I should convert that. I forgot it was even there :(

[Dygear]

http://www.holidays.net
I designed that website, and that proves that you can make a website that renders correctly in all browsers with CSS and DIVs.

[SamH]

I'm sure it's very nice, despite the horizontal scrollbar.. but you seem to be of the belief that it's better than all of our websites because there aren't any tables. With all due respect, that's just W3C's traditional adversarial nonsense and feigned snobbery, and you went and fell for it. :shrug:

The W3C is entirely self-appointed. In my experience, it's exceedingly bitchy, totally incestuous, historically obstructive towards progress not for any other reason than the source of the proposals, wholly disorganized and absolutely the worst example of a standards organization I've ever seen. Not to mention that, with ISO, and the way the W3C handles itself, it's also entirely surplus to requirement. It's a white elephant that's realised that it's a white elephant too late to fix itself. But that's just my opinion, of course. :)

[Dygear]

Point taken Sam, but it would be better that some one triedto make a standard then all of us be at the whim of the browser devs. Oh wait we are.

[ORION]

I voted for the CTRA site cause its got a nice design and some good ideas impemented, specially all the top lists are really cool :)

OT:
http://www.holidays.net
I designed that website, and that proves that you can make a website that renders correctly in all browsers with CSS and DIVs.

its not really valid markup though :D
getting 136 errors in my tidy validator here ;)
also, the w3 validator caht check it because of no correct characted encoding. However it works when overwriting with iso-8859-1:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.holidays.net%2F&charset=iso-8859-1&doctype=Inline&group=0&verbose=1
...218 errors, quite much for just 437 lines :D

[james12s]

i would count this as ctra:best overall moe:best organised leauge