Possibility of a Nurbugring type track?

[Bawbag]

Ok so this is the track that made some 'simulation' games more exiting, Nordschleife Nurburgring, 13 miles of sheer unbeleivable track. But like GT4 was neer the best game, even though I personaly thought it was great fun, it's nothing compared to this.

So is their a possibilty of a track of the same structure and challenging corners as Nurbugring is LFS?

Also, is it possible for someone to publicise a "unnoficial Addon" which is a the Nurburgring track? I would just love to have a go of the track with this game as it would be great to have some races on their wouldn't you say?

I'm sorry if i'm zooming way ahead of the Devs and asking for to much, but it would simply be brilliant to have such a track in LFS.

Regards,


Ray

[Eldanor]

Many people think like you, and it has been discussed a lot :) I would love to have it.

[AndroidXP]

Problem: Liscense
Solution: $$$
Provider of solution: ???

[Bawbag]

Android, I may not have put it accross clear enough, I said a track "like" Nuburgring, you kow, extremely long, challenging bends and long bumpy straights, I know that it would cost alot to get the official track in the game.

But un-officcial addons don't need a liscence or anything, thats why I included that idea.

Sorry for my unclearness.

[AndroidXP]

Oh, ok.

Well, ofcourse it is possible to create such a track. Just give Eric a robe and wizard hat and he may spawn such a lovely track from pure kindness.



No seriously, who knows what Eric is up to at the moment? Maybe he's already creating such a track, maybe not. And even if he is working on such a thing, that's LOADS of work and would probably not be released before S3. You may aswell wait for the user mod tools to be released (if ever) and hope the community provides such a track.

[Bawbag]

Just fantasys to find out peoples comments and similar ideas, sorry to post up something which has allready been discussed though.

but it's always good to find out what other people think about these hings and if it's just me who likes the idea, i'll shut up for next time!!! :razz:

[ajp71]

There are only 2 proper sims worth knowing about featuring the 'ring, they are GPL and Nascar 2003.

[deggis]

There are only 2 proper sims worth knowing about featuring the 'ring, they are GPL and Nascar 2003.
Nascar 2003's version is just a tweaked version of the old GPL track... AFAIK. Am I wrong?

I'm so pissed off that every crappy console racing game gets (GT4, Forza and now PGR3) Nordschleife but we don't. Money talks... :mad:

PS. http://www.dgtalpimp.com/m3_gtr_nurburgring.wmv :nod:

[Hankstar]

GPL's Nurburgring is the bomb imho, followed closely by nK's version (which may well be a GPL import).. It'd be great to see it in LFS but I realise it probably isn't, um .. probable :)

[Bawbag]

Another good sim is racer, I had it about a year ago and it's very realistic and alot of people make tracks and cars, very good game, similar to LFS, download, unzip, play, lol!

No "real" online mode but some people can get it to work, never tried to hard but it basicly told me to get lost when I tried. Not half as good as LFS though :D

Only game i've tried Nurburgring in is GT4, mastered the track because of a competition, sadly I only lost once in the rounds i competed in, lost te last one because the runner of the game thoguth we were "aloud" to change gearings, hence taking 2 seconds on the striaght to finish less than a tenth infront....fix, he ran it and displayed the results but if u wanan chat then do it, but if you don't, come to LFS!

Worlds worst for going off topic but hey, that's life. :razz:

[Hyperactive]

Currently all the best (or most used) track are fast with hardly any slow turns, like aston tracks, westhills or the kyotos. Fern bay tracks aren't driven that much because there is no place for error, very few places to pass and LFS isn't suited at the moment for twisty tracks imho. Specially any faster rwd cars.

Those lift-throttle-oversteers and generally the "hard-to-handle" grip at slow speed makes those tracks very hard and frustrating for most racers. Also the bumps the 'ring has might be very tough for LFS.

And the only way the 22km fantasy track in LFS could again any popularity - It needs to be the ring. Because the track is damn hard and takes much longer to learn than any normal track. The only thing keeping the players driving it is that they know it's the 'ring. I guess the ring wasn't even that popular in GPL. Any under 8:15:00 drivers here? My best ist 8:28 or something, :D

And imagine the work needed for a perfect ring track in LFS :shrug:

[Breizh]

KyotoGP+National
FEblack

[KiDCoDEa]

There are only 2 proper sims worth knowing about featuring the 'ring, they are GPL and Nascar 2003.

any place i can sign underneath? sub8 in cup cars is da bomb :)

[Tillverkad]

Currently all the best (or most used) track are fast with hardly any slow turns, like aston tracks, westhills or the kyotos. Fern bay tracks aren't driven that much because there is no place for error, very few places to pass and LFS isn't suited at the moment for twisty tracks imho. Specially any faster rwd cars.

Those lift-throttle-oversteers and generally the "hard-to-handle" grip at slow speed makes those tracks very hard and frustrating for most racers. Also the bumps the 'ring has might be very tough for LFS.

And the only way the 22km fantasy track in LFS could again any popularity - It needs to be the ring. Because the track is damn hard and takes much longer to learn than any normal track. The only thing keeping the players driving it is that they know it's the 'ring. I guess the ring wasn't even that popular in GPL. Any under 8:15:00 drivers here? My best ist 8:28 or something, :D

And imagine the work needed for a perfect ring track in LFS :shrug:

Sub-8 here. :smileypulJust love driving around the Ring, very exciting. Isle of Man is also a very long and fast if you've ever heard of the place.

[AndroidXP]

If we had the 'ring, I can already imagine the insane races going on there

The ultimate endurace challange: 1 lap with the UF1000 :zzz:
Experience on a public server: Avg racers started: 18, Avg racers finished: 0.5
Qualifying: Avg time until every racer gets a time in: 3 days
...

[Hyperactive]

Sub-8 here. :smileypulJust love driving around the Ring, very exciting. Isle of Man is also a very long and fast if you've ever heard of the place.

I have the isle of man installed with my GPL and NR2003 too. Nice track, too bad I switched to LFS at the time I started to learn them. Mmmh, Schottenring and Pescara - long tracks too :nod:

EDIT: Forgot Dunrod, "only" 11km long. Fast and narrow :) There are many good long tracks for GPL, though Schottenring needs some work. The version I have has only the track layout, no buildings and such...

[huxorator]

Nordschleife Nordschleife Nordschleife Nordschleife Nordschleife Nordschleife Nordschleife Nordschleife Nordschleife! :thumb:

/edit: Sabine in her BMW M5 Ring-Taxi http://www.ringology.net/mov/sabine-taxi.wmv

[Blackout]

That video is somehow messed up, freezes after couple turns :shrug:

[Blues]

That video is somehow messed up, freezes after couple turns :shrug:
The video work just fine here.

[Eldanor]

And the only way the 22km fantasy track in LFS could again any popularity - It needs to be the ring ... The only thing keeping the players driving it is that they know it's the 'ring.
That's true, I'm sure Eric can do a great long track, but the ring has it's own legend...

And imagine the work needed for a perfect ring track in LFS :shrug:

The Nurburgring GmbH has GPS models of the track that sells to car or game companies. I think they include the track and the curbs, so the real challenge is filling the track with the rich scenery that surrounds it, and the paints of the track too!!

[Hatemaker]

This is quite possibly the best suggestion I have ever read. I've driven the 'ring before IRL, and it was a blast. I'd love to be able to drive it in my favorite race-sim! If it's a problem of licensing, I'd gladly donate! :)

[-Kasper-]

I love the idea of a track like Nordschleife. You can say what you want about GT4. But it is fun driving it there.
If there's a possibility of making a track like it, I would spend all my time trying to master it... :thumb:

-Kasper-

[BWX232]

yeah with a DFP no aids, etc... GT4 is a hoot to drive on that track. I have to admit..

Too bad it will never see the light of day in LFS, or any other real track.. pity.:shrug:

[Forbin]

Too bad it will never see the light of day in LFS, or any other real track.. pity.:shrug:
I wouldn't rule it out entirely. We have 2 real cars, don't we? Granted, they were included for special reasons. Perhaps there's a track out there that needs some advertising? :scratchch

[BWX232]

I wouldn't rule it out entirely. We have 2 real cars, don't we? Granted, they were included for special reasons. Perhaps there's a track out there that needs some advertising? :scratchch


Nurbugring comes to mind... :x

[RacingSimFan]

I agree with Hyperactive's point that a fantasy track of Nurburgring proportions would be frustrating and lose popularity because it isn'tthe Nurburgring.

The real track and its history are the biggest motivators for people to drive/race on it in RL or in sims.

That said maybe we can start a petition and present it to the devs saying that we'd gladly pay more for S3 to offset the license fees necessary to create the 'Ring for LFS.

[nikimere]

Personally i dont really want the Nurburgring/Nordschleife in LFS. It's a great track dont get me wrong, but it's crap to race on. I've played it many time on other 'console' games and it's just too narrow. :shrug:
It would be fun to have a drive on in single player. Some people have trouble not running into people at the end of the straight at BL. LOL! Could u imagine the n00b's on that track! ha ha ha!

[hrtburnout]

There are only 2 proper sims worth knowing about featuring the 'ring, they are GPL and Nascar 2003.

Racer - Free Car Simulation too :nod:

[BWX232]

Personally i dont really want the Nurburgring/Nordschleife in LFS.
You are in luck, it will never be in there anyway. :pillepall

[durbster]

Personally i dont really want the Nurburgring/Nordschleife in LFS. It's a great track dont get me wrong, but it's crap to race on.
I agree with you there, I don't think a tight and twisty track would play to LFS's strengths. The challenge of Nurby is a personal one whereas LFS only shines when you're amongst fellow racers.

GPL was such a pleasure to drive you could bomb round a track on your own for ages and get great satisfaction from that. RBR also manages to achieve this, which it should, being a rally sim. On the other hand, I find hotlapping in LFS uninspiring. Even to learn a track I'd rather go online and stay out of everyone else's way than scoot round on my own.

The suspect handling in LFS needs to be sorted before something like Nurby would really work.

[der butz]

Okay, the Nordschleife may be a very fascinating track, but imo you need many players to bring the ring to life... remember the recent big 24 hour races, they had up to 240 cars on the track!!! You can't go there with 20 people and just have a ride...

I would love racing the xrr there for a few hours though!

[Evoluti0n_II]

i´d pay more/donate for the Nordschleife too.:thumb:
its a great track!:boing:

[nikimere]

kinda O/T:

Is the Nordschleife privately owned? Or is it owned by the German Government? If privately owned who owns it?

[sinbad]

Personally, I'd rather have Cadwell Park or Oulton Park than the Nordschleife. In fact, there's a great number of "that kind of track" tracks I'd prefer to see included, just because they're better to race on, particularly with a relatively low number of cars.

[deggis]

Racer - Free Car Simulation too :nod:
Isn't the Nurb version in Racer also ported from GPL?

[Tony Pearce]

In an F1 mag a while ago they created a fantasy track based on all the best corners in the world. After I've moved house (this weekend) I'll find the mag and let you all know about it.

From memory it was pretty huge, not quite Ring size but 15k's i think.

More to come :)

[Michel 4AGE]

kinda O/T:

Is the Nordschleife privately owned? Or is it owned by the German Government? If privately owned who owns it?

The roads are owned by the government (public road rules apply) but the Nurburgring as a whole is a GmBH which is something like ermm..Nurburgring Inc. I think :D

http://20832.com/?rubrik=impressum&lang=eng

[ColeusRattus]

Okay, the Nordschleife may be a very fascinating track, but imo you need many players to bring the ring to life... remember the recent big 24 hour races, they had up to 240 cars on the track!!! You can't go there with 20 people and just have a ride...

I would love racing the xrr there for a few hours though!

The Nürburgring is more a race against the track than a race against opponents... even with the limited field of 6 cars, the Nürbi in GT4 is thrilling.

[micha1980de]

moin,

at least, if the track is delivered, and accurate enough, we can compare round times to real sessions so you can argument that lfs is really a sim not a fuzzy arcade game like nfs. (wich had fun times too but...).
Oftenly i've heard rumors that a kown racer stated "this game has real good physics" does anyone have proof?

[CokeHead]

we could have a monte carlo'esque track while we're at it.

[GT Touring]

well then the idea of all official tracks comes to life-
Tsukuba- a great sprinter , for close racing
Silverstone, Donington...Contidrome, lausitz, Avus....This will never end- Watkins glen, Road america, Bathurst-Mt.Panorama. Oran Park, Thruxton Brands hatch. MilleMiglia, Rouen, LeMans-lasarthe, Norisring-good city scuffle, SPA!

so a list of driving tracks should be out there and poll undertaken by the LFS liscenced to see what would be worth paying for.
Nurburgring of course. Do historical tracks need payment for them by modern versions? i.e. Avus 1930's- pre 1980 Nurby? some of the old distance races....

[deggis]

at least, if the track is delivered, and accurate enough, we can compare round times to real sessions so you can argument that lfs is really a sim not a fuzzy arcade game like nfs.
This reminded me about the "Gran Turismo 4 lap times are within 2% of the real life equivalent" crap that GT4 fan boys are saying. :)

Real life: 6:25.91 Porsche 956 (1983) (according to Nurburgring official website)
GT4: 4:44.650 Toyota Minolta 88C-V Race Car

1½ minutes... yeah, 2 % indeed. :D

[Jakg]

I wouldn't rule it out entirely. We have 2 real cars, don't we? Granted, they were included for special reasons. Perhaps there's a track out there that needs some advertising? :scratchchwhat are the 2 real cars?

[tristancliffe]

MRT5 and RaceAbout.

[Hankstar]

4.40 at the Ring? LOL "simulator" my a55. I doubt that even an 80s F1 car with huge slicks and a giant turbo could go under 5 minutes.

I was always a fan of the GT series (mostly for beer-fuelled unmodified Dodge Viper battles at Trial Mountain or Deep Forest) but a sim? Come on. It's great fun but there are physics holes you could drive a Mack truck through in that game :D

[v4forlife]

on topic, this would be very cool, as it could be like the ring on weekdays and weekends. you get spawned in the car park, and leave from there.

off topic, if you get a chance to drive/ride the ring, then do it. it scares the shit out of you, because of its reputation, and a well deserved one at that. if you see a porsche, get out of the way, they usually know what they are doing. pass on the left, and let others pass on the left. and if anyone fancies doing it next year, im going, so pm me:)

[Hatemaker]

I'm going again this summer. I think I'll either borrow the girl I'm gunna stay with's M3, or my uncle's Porsche 911GT2. (Heh, modified twin turbo, puts out around 750bhp, new suspension and tires... It's good stuff). And on a side note, the first time I drove the 'ring, it DID scare the shit outta me. I was driving a buddy's Subaru, and I was passing people all over the place... and then came the Carrera GT (you know, the new $650k Porsche)... blew past me (whilst going a little more than 160 mph) like I was sitting up on jack-stands. He had to have been doing about 200 mph. (I've moved from Germany to Amerika now... and become kinda americanized, so i tend to use MPH instead of km/h)

[pyro5hit9rind]

does anyone know how much a license would cost?
because i would gladly donate towards it :)

[deggis]

http://torttu.net/temp/lfs/lfs_nurburgring.jpg \:D/

[herki]

noooooo :pillepall

[Vain]

So, how much is it? Where do I have to pay the money for the LFS-ring? As long as it isn't above 150€ I'm in.

Vain

[Barroso]

i googled a bit and found a post (http://www.bhmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?start=12&t=18434) on BHM that mentioned something like 75.000€ for a license, this of course isnt a reliable source :x

[sinbad]

Surely the costs would be far greater than the license alone anyway. I doubt that Eric, or whoever, would want to do a half-assed inaccurate version of the ring if they'd gone to the trouble of securing a license for it. So that's going to take time, and if it were a one man (Eric) job, it would take a lot of time. Time, as they say, is money.

I guess it comes down to how many extra licenses they'd sell. Probably a lot, but only if it was as good as, or better than, any other version out there. The more you invest in making it perfect, the more license sales need to result directly from that investment for it to be worth it.

[Hyperactive]

Well, creating the track layout wouldn't really be that hard as the track has been made couple of times already well. But to get it smooth and look like the real thing may be quite a task. 22 kilometres of texturing and 3d-modelling, phew! :)

[TagForce]

Well, creating the track layout wouldn't really be that hard as the track has been made couple of times already well. But to get it smooth and look like the real thing may be quite a task. 22 kilometres of texturing and 3d-modelling, phew! :)

Only to find out it doesn't fit onto todays graphics adapter's RAM...
It's going to be a huge model, but the texturing doesn't necessarily have to be a particularly huge task... There's like 16 different trees, 8 types of armco, 6 grasstype patches, 6 dirttype patches, 5 types of asphalt, 156000 different types of writing on that asphalt, and 6 colors of kerbing. Add some billboards, and some housing, and the ring is bigger than what we currently have, but not monstrously huge.

[M.Mos]

http://20832.com/?rubrik=impressum&lang=eng I searched a bit there , and there is one guy posting (http://20832.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3838), that he has made a 3D Ring. Maybe its just another conversion of a conversion ....

156000 different types of writing on that asphalt :D

[Michel 4AGE]

I searched a bit there , and there is one guy posting (http://20832.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3838), that he has made a 3D Ring. Maybe its just another conversion of a conversion ....

:D

http://luuk.xs4all.nl/ :thumbsup:

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[johnmcaulay]

I hate myself for it but I agree with the opinion that the nurburgring ring although interesting for single player mode and open servers running practice, it would not be very good for racing, but it has some fantastic sequences of corners which parts of a longer track could be similar to, we really need a very long undulating twisty track but something where overtaking would be possible. If we get an editor to make tracks with why not something on a larger scale similar to a route based on a loop made up of Scottish A roads for for example those on the isle of skye or or somewhere else perhaps based around a loop with part based on a stretch of the A82 or A85, miles of blind corners, summits camber changes and flat out straights, 30 to 60 miles would also be amazing.

I'm not saying it should be an exact replica but a close representation would be amazing with pit stops perhaps spaced around the route, as the Mille Miglia had. Live for speed is a sim it doesn't have to ignore a long road track because they would never happen in reality, its developers have the opportunity to do something spectacular especially when we get weather such a track would be a real challenge of driver skill.

[eobet]

http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=83933

The price for a minimal license was €25 000 (I can't remember what the price for the license where all data was provided was). Anyway, it's been three years since we asked now, and since then, numerous games have been released featuring the Nordschleife, so I bet the price has gone up.

One can only pray that Scawen & Co will gain enough money from S3 to get a license, becase I wouldn't mind paying for an SN version. ;)

[Hyperactive]

Or perhaps the most realistic option is to wait until S3 is finished and the devs release the editors for track making (if they decide to). Yes, it'll be years, but it would then be a free addon made by community. And creating the 'Ring for LFS would slow down the main process, which is S3. And the track is actually not that great. Of course the track presents the greatest challenge of a track can do but the length, bumpiness and toughness of the track will never make it as popular as people seem to think. Even though LFS'ers seem more realism hungry than average sim racers...

Imho the track isn't worth the price. If we want real tracks for LFS we need to get something smaller. I live in Finland where we have these great tracks like Ahvenisto and Motopark which could be much cheaper and easier to do. Also these smaller (not just the tracks I suggested) tracks could gain more from having the track in some racing sim. It would make the track more known and the benefits would be more balanced. In the case of 'Ring, the track and its organization would gain very little as the track is already well known among petrolheads. The problem with the smaller tracks is that they will hardly sell any more copies of LFS. And for most people these tracks are just some real tracks in LFS.

I am not saying that 'Ring should be forgotten or that its impossible to do. I think it would just eat too much resources for what could come as a result. :)

Smaller tracks and maybe more real life cars, like Raceabout and MRT, there is the direction where LFS can go. :shy:

[johnmcaulay]

A track editor would be fantastic if supplied with or shortly after S3 because there are a large number of high quality tracks around the world which the lfs developers are never going to know about let alone base tracks on. I also agree with Hyeractive that it would be a major boost to the community.

Another reason I would favour such an addon is that it would allow the construction of long road tracks based along the lines of my earlier suggestion to this thread. I would certainly enjoy driving on a track based on a road loop of about 40 to 60 miles,

[Vain]

I'm absolutely not interested in any other real life track other than the ring. If the devs ever decide to make a real-life track and they do anything different than the ring I'll visit Scawen, Victor and Eric personally and slap them in the face for wasting resources.
Actually we could remove all tracks beside the ring, because no one would notice.
Live For Nordschleife!

Vain

(Yes, I intentionally exaggerated my point.)