CMX Viewer with Formula BMW FB02

[Scawen]

Hello Racers!

Here is the updated CMX Viewer containing the Formula BMW FB02 :

Download : www.lfs.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_VIEWER_S2Y.exe

Installation : Make a new folder (e.g. LFS_VIEWER_S2Y) and save the install file into that folder, then run the install.

- All cars have DEFAULT skins and mapping info files @ 1024x1024 and helmet @ 512x512
- One painted skin each for FBM / BF1 / HEL

For anyone who doesn't know what the CMX Viewer is, it's a small program which can help with skinning. You can load a car model (CMX) and a skin (JPG) into the Viewer then set it to automatically reload the skin each time you save it from your drawing program, so you can inspect it closely from any angle in the Viewer with or without lighting.

You can find skin templates in the data\skins folder. To make your own skin, first make a copy of the XXX_DEFAULT skin, with the correct three-letter prefix (e.g. FBM_MYSKIN.jpg for the formula BMW) then start editing it in a drawing program. Mapping info is provided in the form of JPG files in the map_info folder. When your skin is finished you can save it into your data\skins folder inside LFS and you will be able to load it in-game. Licensed users can upload their skin, at 1024x1024 resolution, to www.lfsworld.net so it will be visible to other people when you race online.

Have fun! :)

[The Very End]

Nice!
Thank you Scawen. I`ll guess that the patch are not far away eighter hmmm? ;)

[lococost]

thanks Scawen!

Apart from the FB02, are there any other changes in the CMX viewer car wise?

[BlakjeKaas]

Nice work!

I guess that the patch isn't that far then..? =)

[Timz]

Great, gonna try it right now!

Tim:smileypul

[Scawen]

Apart from the FB02, are there any other changes in the CMX viewer car wise?
There are some minor changes to the FO8 mesh, but the changes don't affect existing skins.
For example the windscreen is updated and the holes for the upper part of the front suspension are a bit wider.

[tristancliffe]

Bug: Cloudy Afternoo? (having loaded the viewer, and loaded the FBM)

[SamH]

Bug: Cloudy Afternoo? (having loaded the viewer, and loaded the FBM)
/me chortles

The new car looks fab! Can't wait to give it a bump start :D

[Blackout]

Sweet!

The exhaust in that car is so nice, noticed it in the videos, but looks even better now! The interior and the dirty windscreen are very nice too! :)

[spiderbait90]

Well, if the release of the BF1 is anything to go by, the CMX viewer for that was released the day before (regulars correct me please) the patch.


This means nothing, but maybe... SHHH... Steve.... Stop making rumours.....

In the mean time im going to have a good look at this car in the CMX viewer. I am a single seater addict (exept of course when i go on these cruise servers), so this is a welcome addition for me.

Anyway, just gonna say thanks to the devs for their persistant work on new patches. Just as you begin to loose hope (i was starting to think that we would never get content), something new comes along, and its really cool.

-Steve

[SamH]

Just had a waltz around the new BMW cockpit too.. what a beautiful piece of modelling! :thumb:

Well, if the release of the BF1 is anything to go by, the CMX viewer for that was released the day before (regulars correct me please) the patch.
AFAIK major patches have always been released on Fridays.. so unless Scawen's breaking with tradition, it's at least a couple of days away yet :)

[The Very End]

What a weekend it would be, with patch releasing on a friday :D
Would we reach 2 000 users online you think? ;)

[SpikeyMarcoD]

I get a 7-Zip error on exe after coubleclicking? Not a supported archive?

[Huru-aito]

Have fun! :)

:nod:

[Timz]

What a weekend it would be, with patch releasing on a friday :D
Would we reach 2 000 users online you think? ;)

NO, MUCH HIGHER!!! EVERYBODY RACE NOW!!!:tilt::tilt::tilt:
(I hope the master server will handle it on Friday...:x)

And the Formula BMW looks very, very, very neat...man, 100% detailed!!!
I think this is much better detailed then, let's say, XBOX 360 racing cars in Forza, PGR, etc.
Man, what a game is LFS...best their is!

Timz

[PLAYLIFE]

Nice!
Thank you Scawen. I`ll guess that the patch are not far away eighter hmmm? ;)

Scawen, my birthday is on Friday. You already know my wish for a present :hug:

[thisnameistaken]

The detail at the back of the car is really nice. Best looking single-seater yet - nice work Eric. :thumb:

[The Very End]

My birthday is on satuday, damn what a nice weekend it would be.
The new car looks great, looks like a mix of Fo8 and Fox :)

[Blackout]

Had a second, closer look at the interior and now I really want to know what the other updated interiors will look like. That level of detail is rather nice!

[LFSn00b]

Thanks really much Scawen, this car is my new love, it's nicely detailed and cool :lovies3d:


I suppose there isn't a FB2 skin thread yet? (cba to watch :D)

[PLAYLIFE]

I get a 7-Zip error on exe after coubleclicking? Not a supported archive?


It should work fine. You probably have an error with downloading. Try downloading it again.


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I just remembered that the car selection window is full. No more cars will fit. I wonder how that is solved. Having them all on the same page is a good thing.





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[PLAYLIFE]

The new car looks great, looks like a mix of Fo8 and Fox :)

When you compare the new car and FOX, then the FOX looks like its 30 years old.

[SpikeyMarcoD]

It should work fine. You probably have an error with downloading. Try downloading it again.


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I just remembered that the car selection window is full. No more cars will fit. I wonder how that is solved. Having them all on the same page is a good thing.





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I did twice! I dont need the 7-zip program since it should selfextract just as LFS patches. But it does not..weird.

[duke_toaster]

I suppose there isn't a FB2 skin thread yet? (cba to watch :D)

I posted one but it hasn't become official yet - http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=34508 :D

[axus]

The detail of the new car is stunning! Hats off to Eric! :D

[niall09]

Thanks really much Scawen, this car is my new love, it's nicely detailed and cool :lovies3d:


I suppose there isn't a FB2 skin thread yet? (cba to watch :D)

BTW, it's called the FBM :)

[PLAYLIFE]

I did twice! I dont need the 7-zip program since it should selfextract just as LFS patches. But it does not..weird.

Then it is strange... Have you tried hitting your computer with a wrench?

[SpikeyMarcoD]

Worked now after not using my download accelarator (leechget) and just use standard Internet Explorer. Weird.

[RacerAsh3]

Looking good Scawen :)

What wonders will you bring next :P

[mcintyrej]

Worked now after not using my download accelarator (leechget) and just use standard Internet Explorer. Weird.

Sounds like the accelarator; I used Firefox and the file opened fine.

[three_jump]

car looks really nice, when you're not looking to close at the rear :(

exhaust end hanging magically in the air, mounting pionts for the lower suspension missing... :(


/me goes searching for pics...

[unseen]

Meh. DNS errors/timeouts here using Default Firefox 2, IE 6 & 7, or Avant Browser.

[mrfell]

Bugger, lfs.net is down......:(

Edit ie7 here!!

[hinirags]

I love that level of detail :D can't wait to have that in all the cars :D.

Good job!! :D

[niall09]

Bugger, lfs.net is down......:(

Edit ie7 here!!

Not for me, having no problems here, it's probably something at your end :shrug:

[mrfell]

Nope, lfsworld is ok just lfs.net!!

[three_jump]

found a few OLD pics... thats what I mean.

But the cockpit is awesome :) :thumb:

[unseen]

Mirror, anybody..... please :)

[mrfell]

Yup, something is not quite right atm!!

[Rish]

"HIGH FIVE"
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/05/24/borat_wideweb__470x335,0.jpg

[chanoman315]

lfs.net is down and lfsworld down too.. for me... just lfsforum is ok lol... using firefox ans ie7 :shrug:

[mrfell]

good not just me then!!

[[RF]-art555]

lfs.net is down and lfsworld down too.. for me... just lfsforum is ok lol... using firefox ans ie7 :shrug:

same here :schwitz:

[unseen]

Damn, can`t get it on virginmedia or my alternate BT broadband connection..... Anyone kind enough to mirror the download gets a free skin sometime :)

[Taavi(EST)]

Damn, can`t get it on virginmedia or my alternate BT broadband connection..... Anyone kind enough to mirror the download gets a free skin sometime :)

here: http://ekodu.planet.ee/LFS_VIEWER_S2Y.exe

[unseen]

Thankyou Taavi. PM anytime :)

[unseen]

Doh. Looks like I`m still gonna have to high-res that cockpit sometime....

[Ondrejko]

do we also get dedicated server Y before LFS patch Y release ?

[Huru-aito]

I posted one but it hasn't become official yet - http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=34508 :D

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=34512

[mrfell]

here: http://ekodu.planet.ee/LFS_VIEWER_S2Y.exe

Thanks mate!!!

[[RF]-art555]

here: http://ekodu.planet.ee/LFS_VIEWER_S2Y.exe
thank you :tilt:

[SamH]

do we also get dedicated server Y before LFS patch Y release ?
I'm assuming that will be released tomorrow, or early Friday.

This is all pre-supposing that Y is coming this Friday. It's entirely possible that it could be another week yet. Nobody this side of the LFS wormhole knows! ;)

[chanoman315]

here: http://ekodu.planet.ee/LFS_VIEWER_S2Y.exe
thaanks! :thumb:

[AndroidXP]

Awesome! The FBM looks very detailed :)

[Ondrejko]

I'm assuming that will be released tomorrow, or early Friday.

This is all pre-supposing that Y is coming this Friday. It's entirely possible that it could be another week yet. Nobody this side of the LFS wormhole knows! ;)

nevermind, i just wanna set up my FBM server before release, because then ill be very busy to do that :thumb:

[deggis]

Holy crap, look at the detail in the cockpit. This level of detail is unseen in LFS, even the BF1 cockpit looks bit half-arsed now. I'm glad Eric has realised hi-res textures are the way go - you can even read what's on the battery box behind the wheel. If the GTR/road car cockpits are going to be in same standard... :thumbsup:

(raised gamma in the picture)

[LFSn00b]

Holy crap, look at the detail in the cockpit. If the GTR/road car cockpits are going to be with the same standard with this... :thumbsup:

(raised gamma in the picture)All i miss are the pedals :(

[tristancliffe]

A few minutes work importing CMX (in old version of Max so that I can play at work with my materials etc in a newer version).

The only texture is the skin, and all materials are 'Standard', hence no reflections or interesting bits... Going to be a lovely car to render though me thinks, as there is quite a bit of detail in the modelling materials used (separate bodywork fittings for example)... Mmmmmm

[TFalke55]

wanna just say thanks for this programm

[[RF]-art555]

All i miss are the pedals :(

you won't see them cause of driver's legs anyway:shrug:

[Blackout]

All i miss are the pedals :(
And how are you going to see them while driving? :rolleyes:

[PLAYLIFE]

All i miss are the pedals :(

Yeah, but you is neva gonna see the pedals in the game itself...

[LFSn00b]

Yes, maybe i cannot see it but there should be pedals in LFS cars, it would be a small nice addon.

[AndroidXP]

What for? So the non-moving feet have something to rest on? Or that you pay a bit of performance for the off-chance someone uses a custom camera that shows the pedal area? Seriously... at first I thought you were sarcastic, but this is ridiculous.

[scoobyrbac]

I people cant get the auto exec to work I have it hosted on my FTP site as a ZIP file...

http://www.scooby.spankthatmonkey.com/files/Live%20For%20Speed%20Stuff/

I cant figure out how to make the link smaller so theres huge link. I got 430 kb/sec

[axus]

A pic of the exhaust/transmission for people who can't look at it in CMX or don't want to. :)

More than enough if you ask me. You'll never spot any of the small discrepencies while racing.

[niall09]

Is that lever dealy a gear stick?

(sorry for my stupidity, but I dont really know much about single seaters :tilt: )

[AndroidXP]

No, it's for flushing :rolleyes:

[deggis]

Is that lever dealy a gear stick?

(sorry for my stupidity, but I dont really know much about single seaters :tilt: )
Yes. It's sequential, with manual clutch?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rf48CYqwjVY

[AndroidXP]

Yes, manual clutch. But you only use it for pulling away from the line, afaik. Maybe for downshifting, too?

[axus]

No, it's for flushing :rolleyes:

ROFL! Good one! :D

[three_jump]

Yes, manual clutch. But you only use it for pulling away from the line, afaik. Maybe for downshifting, too?

BMW teaches their "drivers" to do so but it's not needed for downshifting (unless it's wet ;) ). At least thats a friend of mine (former driver) said to me :shrug:

[ImportFantasy]

Thanks Scawen!Will put it into big use!

[AK-Chester]

Thanks for the updated viewer, devs! :)

[jeka3000]

Thanks :D

[dawesdust_12]

Sam, now get to work on the skin! Whips are cracking! :p

[diablo21]

:nod:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1862/fbmvl0.jpg

[Anathema]

Thanks Scavier. The details on that car are just amazing. The cockpit. The little nudges. Really great.:thumb:

[BURN]

Im in Looove with the sexy B*tch ;)

THX A LOT :D

skin is almost done

[niall09]

For the dirt on the windsheild, will be there when coming out of the pits? Because on one of the screenshots, it shows the cockpit of the FBM just coming out of the pits in Blackwood with speckles of dirt on it. Just wondering :shrug:

[Californian]

Cool. I like the interior and exterior details.

Can't wait for the test run :smileypul

[tristancliffe]

Yeah, I think it's just a texture rather than a preview of dynamic filth.

[ColeusRattus]

I guess the dirt is just a texture on the windscreen, and not dynamically generated.

[unseen]

I guess the dirt is just a texture on the windscreen, and not dynamically generated.

It`s just a simple alpha channel dds file (FBMWwindALPHA.dds). I`ve already made a clear version for when Y comes out, as I don`t really like the look of the speckled one.

[deggis]

Yes the dirt is there on the CMX viewer too. So it's just texture but nice touch anyway.

Were looking for some cockpit pics, didn't find very good ones but found some good hi-res pics, if someone wants to see what details are missing (warning: large pics):

http://img204.imagevenue.com/loc412/th_90650_02_122_412lo.jpg (http://img204.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=90650_02_122_412lo.jpg) http://img149.imagevenue.com/loc1047/th_90660_03_122_1047lo.jpg (http://img149.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=90660_03_122_1047lo.jpg) http://img196.imagevenue.com/loc199/th_90669_04_122_199lo.jpg (http://img196.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=90669_04_122_199lo.jpg) http://img7.imagevenue.com/loc917/th_90674_05_122_917lo.jpg (http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=90674_05_122_917lo.jpg)
http://img174.imagevenue.com/loc98/th_91017_06_122_98lo.jpg (http://img174.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=91017_06_122_98lo.jpg) http://img7.imagevenue.com/loc1141/th_91029_07_122_1141lo.jpg (http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=91029_07_122_1141lo.jpg) http://img194.imagevenue.com/loc566/th_91035_08_122_566lo.jpg (http://img194.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=91035_08_122_566lo.jpg) http://img126.imagevenue.com/loc863/th_91676_01_122_863lo.jpg (http://img126.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=91676_01_122_863lo.jpg)

Pretty large collection of pics here (for skinning real liveries):

http://www.formulabmwuk.com/gallery.html --> Events 2007 & Events 2006

[Boris Lozac]

Cockpit is awesome!! Way to go Eric you DAWG! :thumb:

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6060/fbminteriorlv6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[three_jump]

there you go deggis :)

[Danielw597]

Time to check this babeh out :)

[Californian]

The dirt is on the FO8 too
Guess thats logical since the texture must be same :)

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1731/dsfdsfku0.jpg

[Blackout]

I really hope the splatter on the windscreen is a dirt experiment we can have soon on the cars.

[bbman]

The cockpit has one major flaw though: The driver's legs clip through the side pillards/beams (whatever you want to call it), unless it has changed since the last official screenshots...

[deggis]

there you go deggis :)
Thanks.

[mrbogeyman]

Could someone mirror the download?

It is blocked for me (@work and no real internet at home).

Thanks in advance.

edit: Ignore me, I found the mirror :D Thanks Taavi!

[robps]

I've made a quick 2048x2048 Photoshop file with the wireframe in, it'll do for now until the Master Skinnerz kit gets created.

http://www.robrps.ukshells.co.uk/lfs/FBM-FormulaBMW.rar 3.7Mb

Created using blender to export out the UVs.

[Riders Motion]

I transfered my dds folder to the CMX view folder and came up with this:

-The FBM is AWESOME;
-The BMW Logo is modeled;
-It uses the normal brakes textures (same for all cars) but custom pads (only for this car);
-There's not seat?;
-I'm f**king going to fail my exams tomorow cuz I can't study right now...

[The Very End]

I transfered my dds folder to the CMX view folder and came up with this:

-The FBM is AWESOME;
-The BMW Logo is modeled;
-It uses the 'street car' disk brakes (same as XRT, FZ5 etc..) but custom pads (only for this car);
-There's not seat?;
-I'm f**king going to fail my exams tomorow cuz I can't study right now...

Same happend to me, was jumping the forums the day before exam. Exam for me = HORRIBLE FAIL!
I did pass...barely...

[Riders Motion]

Same happend to me, was jumping the forums the day before exam. Exam for me = HORRIBLE FAIL!
I did pass...barely...

Added a pic of what I was saying when you posted :)

[Thunderhead]

Comparision between the FOX and the Formula BMW using CMX viewer, out of boredom.:shrug:

To me it looks like an F-15 compared to an F/A-22. The epmahasis is on the looks here,before someone says something.

[Riders Motion]

Comparision between the FOX and the Formula BMW using CMX viewer, out of boredom.:shrug:

To me it looks like an F-15 compared to an F/A-22. The epmahasis is on the looks here,before someone says something.

Might be interesting to race it;

Less powered
Wider
Longer

Well, for me it'll be fun as I can't be arsed to drive the oversteering FOX (for me tho...)

[Zachary Zoomy]

fantastic Scavier! thank you!

[Danke]

Yeah, I think it's just a texture rather than a preview of dynamic filth.


When I'm surfing for filth, I'm looking for dynamic filth. :thumb:

Oh, you mean the dirt... nevermind.

[tristancliffe]

I transfered my dds folder to the CMX view folder and came up with this:

-The FBM is AWESOME;
-The BMW Logo is modeled;
-It uses the normal brakes textures (same for all cars) but custom pads (only for this car);
-There's not seat?;
-I'm f**king going to fail my exams tomorow cuz I can't study right now...

The BMW badge is modelled in 3D, and uses the image in the centre of the steering wheel - put a Ferrari badge on your steering wheel and the whole car magically becomes a Ferrari too :D
Normal disc texture, and normal race caliper texture (K8_padz I think it's called)
You sit on it, so it doesn't matter :p Would like to see a seat in there one day perhaps, but not exactly a priority. I am planning on asking Scawen searching questions about seat fittings ;)
If you leave revision to the last night you DESERVE to fail. Tonight should be a quick check and an early night, not studying hard. Muppet.

[J.B.]

http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=43479&d=1196891868

there you go deggis :)
Interesting, didn't realize the FBM was monoshock. What this means is that the spring rate has no effect on the roll rate. So the car can be soft when both wheels are loaded simultaneously and hard when rolling.

Why this is a good thing? Beats me. I think FBMW and F3 are the only ones who use it.

Another strange thing: it looks like the front rollbar is non-adjustable. :confused:

EDIT: oh wait, that would be what the spacers on that horizontal bit that the connecting rods are attached to are for.

[Hallen]

http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=43479&d=1196891868


Interesting, didn't realize the FBM was monoshock. What this means is that the spring rate has no effect on the roll rate. So the car can be soft when both wheels are loaded simultaneously and hard when rolling.

Why this is a good thing? Beats me. I think FBMW and F3 are the only ones who use it.

Another strange thing: it looks like the front rollbar is non-adjustable. :confused:

EDIT: oh wait, that would be what the spacers on that horizontal bit that the connecting rods are attached to are for.

If there were no other springs, then wouldn't it be like a solid axle (non-independent suspension)? It would only compress and rebound equally on both sides. If there was a deflection up on one side, there would be a corresponding force down on the other side. I think the pivot points where the rods attach to the frame might have some spring or tortion bar attached to them that we can't see. It is just a total guess on my part though. The main spring in the middle would work for both equal deflections and to compensate for downforce (guessing again).

[tristancliffe]

The vertical bar (which is very short!) is the torsion bar (aka anti-roll bar). It's short to provide pretty much ALL the roll resistance, as the monoshock contributes nothing. I think.

[deggis]

I wonder why Eric is so much better modelling... ehm little details? Like the engine and the cockpit. The car model(s) itself are a bit lacking what comes to detail you know... maybe again here comes the difference of fictional and real cars; you have to invent the detail, on real ones you just model it after the example. Altough BMW-Sauber is not that detailed either.

This BMW is maybe the most detailed model in LFS which is not much said... :) expect the very impressive cockpit which is as nice as netKar's (http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07494/nkp.jpg). Little compare, rFactor's F.BMW 2.0 mod: [#1] (http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07494/fbmw.jpg) [#2] (http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07494/fbmw_sw4.jpg) [#3] (http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07494/fbmw_tom3.jpg) and Race 07's version: [#1] (http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07494/race07_shot5.jpg) [#2] (http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07494/race07_shot6.jpg). I mean neither of these are bad or perfect models, just making a point that it's not that extraordinary in LFS either.

Now I'm fairly confident that the other interiors are going be on same graphical level. Can't wait the next patch (if the interiors are not in Y). After this, how can you even watch the other low-detail (or no detail) low-res cockpits that all looks the same. :razz:

[Tweaker]

I think it is quite easy to make a fictional car look real with details.

All the past models Eric have made are very old, and obviously not as much time was put into them as the FBM I think. If the roadcars just had extra body lines between body parts, more visible bolts and added edges to give a more complex look... then LFS would look 10x better.

I am confident he can do cockpits, but to be honest, I'd rather see the bodywork touched up on all the cars. For example, UF1000 could look SOOOO much better with little classic chrome bits (especially the bumpers).

FBM definitely will have to set the standard for all the other models in LFS.

[J.B.]

If there were no other springs, then wouldn't it be like a solid axle (non-independent suspension)? It would only compress and rebound equally on both sides. If there was a deflection up on one side, there would be a corresponding force down on the other side. I think the pivot points where the rods attach to the frame might have some spring or tortion bar attached to them that we can't see. It is just a total guess on my part though. The main spring in the middle would work for both equal deflections and to compensate for downforce (guessing again).

I think the way it works is that the main spring gets compressed whenever the total front axle load increases. But when one wheelload increases while the other wheelload decreases (as in cornering) then the main spring will stay where it is and roll will occur by twisting of the rollbar (marked in green below).

I'm quite sure there are no hidden dampers or springs in the rockers on that car. But in F1 they do in fact use that type arrangement (rotational dampers).

EDIT: Tristan was faster

[Rappa Z]

Holy god, nice looking interior. Go Eric!:thumb:

[deggis]

Anyone knows which LCD system that is on the wheel? Could Google the manufacturer and see better pics. On the official screenshot (http://www.lfs.net/page_images/pics/fbm_shot02.jpg) you can see the same stuff that FOX/FO8/BF1 has (brake bl. & fuel). I doubt this is correct (like it made any difference in the end :D).

[Tweaker]

Anyone knows which LCD system that is on the wheel? Could Google the manufacturer and see better pics. On the official screenshot (http://www.lfs.net/page_images/pics/fbm_shot02.jpg) you can see the same stuff that FOX/FO8/BF1 has (brake bl. & fuel). I doubt this is correct (like it made any difference in the end :D).
http://www.2d-datarecording.com/

Says right on the wheel :really:

[J.B.]

I think FBMW and F3 are the only ones who use it.


Turns out that the Tatuus Formula Renault 2000 (the car the FOX is based on) also uses monoshock front suspension. So maybe FBM isn't the first car of this type in LFS. If the suspension is even modelled to this level of detail that is.

[gp4racer]

thanks scawen! I cant wait for the patch!!

[deggis]

http://www.2d-datarecording.com/

Says right on the wheel :really:
LOL, I actually even visited that site earlier today, seems like early dementia :doh:

edit: didn't dig up the whole site but this was the closest one: http://www.2d-kit-system.com/English/Download/datasheets/basic-kit/DI-Kit_MD07-000.pdf

[Hallen]

I think the way it works is that the main spring gets compressed whenever the total front axle load increases. But when one wheelload increases while the other wheelload decreases (as in cornering) then the main spring will stay where it is and roll will occur by twisting of the rollbar (marked in green below).

I'm quite sure there are no hidden dampers or springs in the rockers on that car. But in F1 they do in fact use that type arrangement (rotational dampers).

EDIT: Tristan was faster
Hmmmm, the part you have marked has no way to twist. If one side trys to move up or down independently, it would be stopped by the other side if the motion and to go through that part you marked. Plus, it looks like that part only pivots front to rear with the mono shock.

I still bet there are torsion bars mounted insided the "rockers". That would allow for independent movement of each wheel. That motion would happen prior to the motion being transmitted to the mono shock assembly. I am sure there is something I am missing here though.:tilt:

I don't know what "vertical bars" Tristan is referring to.:shrug:

[J.B.]

I'm not sure why you think the rollbar can't twist? I've added another arrow in the picture to show how it is supposed to twist. It's the vertical bar Tristan was referring to. And I can assure you there are no torsion bars in the rockers. I've looked at the pictures and they are perfectly normal rockers, just as on any other race car.

[dawesdust_12]

Has that 1 picture been posted and attached like 5 million times? :p

[TypeRCivic]

Thanks Scawen!!! I'm looking forward to the new update..:thumb:

[chanoman315]

Same happend to me, was jumping the forums the day before exam. Exam for me = HORRIBLE FAIL!
I did pass...barely...
same for me... i think im gonna loose my scholarship cuz of lfs.. :( well for the game i have in my pc...

[Blas89]

same for me... i think im gonna loose my scholarship cuz of lfs.. :( well for the game i have in my pc...

Burn your wheel, you wont have any problems then.:)

[chanoman315]

Burn your wheel, you wont have any problems then.:)
its a g25 :tilt:

[MAGGOT]

-I'm f**king going to fail my exams tomorow cuz I can't study right now...

Me too. Although, my last exam of the semester is Friday, so if the patch comes out on Friday like many predict it'll work out perfectly for me :D I might just go home Saturday instead of Sunday to play it on my good computer!

[dawesdust_12]

Bah, what's this whole "exam" thing, doesn't everyone do as I do and just show up and do well on them?

[MAGGOT]

That generally how I tackle things, but this is an Art History exam. I have not payed attention in a single class, nor studied for it yet. I've only myself to blame for that, though.

[dawesdust_12]

I might be lucky, seeing I can sit through classes, just there, not really listening, but absorb everything the teacher says without realizing which helps loadsl.

[MAGGOT]

Most exams are based on common knowledge or common sense (the great part about being in a design course) so I can do the same, basically. Just not for Art History. Even Psych is basically common sense.

[xaotik]

Hey look, that FBM was made on 30/04/2003 according to the serial number plate - man... that is amazing... I'm simply speechless... it's a Taurus!

[Gunn]

Hey look, that FBM was made on 30/04/2003 according to the serial number plate - man... that is amazing... I'm simply speechless... it's a Taurus!
That's a lot of bull.

[The Very End]

same for me... i think im gonna loose my scholarship cuz of lfs.. :( well for the game i have in my pc...

Lol, LFS destroys your future eh? :(

[three_jump]

Maybe you should visit the anonymous lfs players... they meet every day 19 - 21 in the south city chappel :p

[The Very End]

Maybe you should visit the anonymous lfs players... they meet every day 19 - 21 in the south city chappel :p

:ices_rofl
I probally need to be there tho :shy:

[lococost]

I'm not sure why you think the rollbar can't twist? I've added another arrow in the picture to show how it is supposed to twist. It's the vertical bar Tristan was referring to. And I can assure you there are no torsion bars in the rockers. I've looked at the pictures and they are perfectly normal rockers, just as on any other race car.

If that's the ARB, it moves in the wrong direction... (left suspension goes in, would mean right suspension goes out, so you'ld have a rollbar, not antirollbar) So, it's not, bad speculation guys. Looks like there's only the one monoshock for accelleration/decelleration and no movement side to side (cant see any springwashers), so no need for ARB, but that's a guess, not a fact.

[AndroidXP]

Well, it is kind of a reversed principle, but still, the torsion bar regulates how much roll is possible. If the bar was infinitely stiff, then the whole front suspension would act as solid axle that could just move up and down. Dunno if you've noticed it, but the bottom part of the torsion bar is fixed, so your "left goes in, right goes out" sounds much easier than actually possible.

[tristancliffe]

If that's the ARB, it moves in the wrong direction... (left suspension goes in, would mean right suspension goes out, so you'ld have a rollbar, not antirollbar) So, it's not, bad speculation guys. Looks like there's only the one monoshock for accelleration/decelleration and no movement side to side (cant see any springwashers), so no need for ARB, but that's a guess, not a fact.

Look again, think a bit, and you'll come to the other, correct, conclusion. It's REALLY basic mechanics. The only thing that's complicated is trying to imagine the stress distribution on such a short ARB, but I wouldn't expect most to be sitting there doing that...

[JEP]

WOW !
Great joob guys !!
:lfs:

[Madman_CZ]

Yeah, great job. Now all it needs is a high res skin template :razz: but the one that comes with the viewer will do for now.

Live for Speed rocks!

[robps]

Yeah, great job. Now all it needs is a high res skin template :razz: but the one that comes with the viewer will do for now.

Live for Speed rocks!

If you are taking about getting the 'flat' wireframe as a .psd then I've done one on the previous page - it's 2048x2048.

[Madman_CZ]

Thanks for the info, i skip read through the first 3 pages only. Cheers for that :)

mad

[lococost]

Look again, think a bit, and you'll come to the other, correct, conclusion. It's REALLY basic mechanics. The only thing that's complicated is trying to imagine the stress distribution on such a short ARB, but I wouldn't expect most to be sitting there doing that...

I stand corrected.


The only thing that's complicated is trying to imagine the stress distribution on such a short ARB, but I wouldn't expect most to be sitting there doing that...
The tube might be hollow and have a mechanism inside, that lets the top bit rotate if enough force is applied. If so it would be easely adjustable.

[tristancliffe]

No it won't be - the tube might be hollow (though I doubt it - it would probably shear off and deform if hollow - at the very least it'll be very thick walled), but it won't have a mechanism in it. I think you overcomplicate what is ultimately a budget race car.

[richy]

just noticed this on the cmx viewer, is it some new real world advertising? . wonder if it they will show up elsewhere too. :D

[tristancliffe]

I suspect they were allowed to use the 'skin' of the real car without having permission from the various individual companies - they agree to be on the car, and hence agree to be on recreations of the car. Don't make news up in your head for the sake of it.

[richy]

Wonder how the bf1 ads jumped off the car to the billboards then? Must be magic. :D

[tristancliffe]

A very different deal with Intel I'd imagine.

[richy]

And michelin for the billboards and the tyres too on all cars? :D

<me stirs a little bit more>

[Rappa Z]

This skin has even more little knobs and pieces than the BF1!

[Hallen]

I'm not sure why you think the rollbar can't twist? I've added another arrow in the picture to show how it is supposed to twist. It's the vertical bar Tristan was referring to. And I can assure you there are no torsion bars in the rockers. I've looked at the pictures and they are perfectly normal rockers, just as on any other race car.
Ah, OK. I see now. No, I wasn't thinking the vertical tube/bar there could twist. It looks like too solid of a piece to be able to twist like that. I was looking for some way that it could move that way without twisting and obviously, that just won't work.

I still don't really understand how that whole system works. It seems that it is only a semi independent suspension. What independent movement it does have is not damped in any way it seems. But, I have already proven that I am not seeing how this system works very well.:shrug:

[LeManchot]

it seems doesn't work on Linux...

[DeKo]

it seems doesn't work on Linux...

Kinda obviously, unless you mean under wine.

[evilgeek]

Ah, OK. I see now. No, I wasn't thinking the vertical tube/bar there could twist. It looks like too solid of a piece to be able to twist like that. I was looking for some way that it could move that way without twisting and obviously, that just won't work.

I still don't really understand how that whole system works. It seems that it is only a semi independent suspension. What independent movement it does have is not damped in any way it seems. But, I have already proven that I am not seeing how this system works very well.:shrug:

Check out the various bushings connecting all the rods together. Each bushing will contribute some flex. The ones connected to the vertical bar look especially flexible, similar to sway bar drop links. In fact, they *are* sway bar drop links, just in a weird size and orientation compared to a street car.

Also think about how the pivot points would work given that the vertical bar can freely rotate forward and back. The axis of rotation will begin in the center, but as the arb twists and the shock compresses, the axis will move away from center, giving the two wheels different amounts of leverage against the spring. The more easily the arb can twist, the more "independent" the suspension is, just like in a two damper setup.

[deggis]

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6060/fbminteriorlv6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Just a flash from the past:

http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07494/sdfsdf233.jpg

http://www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/images/smilies/sick.gif

[Boris Lozac]

http://www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/images/smilies/sick.gif

Can't wait for others to be updated as well.. :thumb:

[Blackout]

http://www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/images/smilies/sick.gif

Yeah. Oval, tell me about it!

[wheel4hummer]

Have the FZ5 exhaust pipes changed? At http://www.lfs.net/?page=contents&car=fz50 the FZ5 has four exhaust pipes!

[dawesdust_12]

I don't think so Wheel, that page has been that way since (pre?) S2 launch.

[Tweaker]

That has been on there for ages now.... old.

[wheel4hummer]

lol... Nevermind then. But, they should go back to using the old exhaust IMO.

[J.B.]

Ah, OK. I see now. No, I wasn't thinking the vertical tube/bar there could twist. It looks like too solid of a piece to be able to twist like that. I was looking for some way that it could move that way without twisting and obviously, that just won't work.

I still don't really understand how that whole system works. It seems that it is only a semi independent suspension. What independent movement it does have is not damped in any way it seems. But, I have already proven that I am not seeing how this system works very well.:shrug:

Sounds like you got it to me. Roll is completely undamped and I don't know the definition of independant suspension but as far as I can tell any suspension system with a rollbar isn't 100% independant.

As to what this all means for LFS? We'll have to wait and see if there are any significant effects on making settups but the only point of this system I can think of is that you can go hard with the spring to keep the aero rideheight stable and soft with the bar for mechanical grip. So all depends on tyre and aero model really.

[kloun]

I've made a quick 2048x2048 Photoshop file with the wireframe in, it'll do for now until the Master Skinnerz kit gets created.

http://www.robrps.ukshells.co.uk/lfs/FBM-FormulaBMW.rar 3.7Mb

Created using blender to export out the UVs.

Hey, can u upload FBM wireframe again please!:shy: I want try to make skin for FBM.

Thank You!:)

[garph]

Hey, can u upload FBM wireframe again please!:shy: I want try to maek skin for FBM.

Thank You!:)
Master skinnerz FBM kit.

http://skinnerz.proboards26.com/index.cgi?board=kits&action=display&thread=1120022687&page=21

Last post on that page.

[kloun]

Master skinnerz FBM kit.

http://skinnerz.proboards26.com/index.cgi?board=kits&action=display&thread=1120022687&page=21

Last post on that page.

Ooo..thank you mate!:thumb:

[Juihi]

Master skinnerz FBM kit.

http://skinnerz.proboards26.com/index.cgi?board=kits&action=display&thread=1120022687&page=21

Last post on that page.



ohhhhhhhhhhh goodie!! :D

[Electrik Kar]

Wow- just had a look in the CMX viewer... Car looks wonderful! Great job Eric.

[thisnameistaken]

Just a flash from the past:

http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07494/sdfsdf233.jpg

Y'know though I'm glad they released S2 regardless.

That's the coolest thing about Scavier. Most game developers give you shit-hot-looking screenies a year before the thing's even due for release, then delay the release for another year. Scavier give us practically finished games while they're still producing slightly iffy-looking screenies, and let us play it while they're finishing it.

When you think about it in those terms, it's a pretty 'king awesome way to develop software.

[dawesdust_12]

Kev, Valve sorta takes a similar approach, albiet with a more complete game, and then they sorta adjust the balance a touch, similar to TF2.

Speaking of which, TF2 tonight?!

[DevilDare]

just had a quick look at photos and cmx viewer and all i got to say is omg, sick work guys looks even better than i thought, nice one:thumb:

[thisnameistaken]

Kev, Valve sorta takes a similar approach, albiet with a more complete game, and then they sorta adjust the balance a touch, similar to TF2.

Valve are in quite a unique position. They make a lot more money out of their games because they're their own major distributor - they don't have to hand over massive cuts to publishers, and consequently there's less expense for packaging, shipping, etc. I imagine it gives them a lot more freedom, and a lot more cash to attract Bright Young Things to come and work there.

Actually, as much as I disliked Steam when it first arrived and still find it something of an irritant now, I like the fact that they provide a route to market for indie titles too (Actually IIRC Scawen did some work on Rag Doll Kung Fu). Although I don't know to what extent they're exploiting those guys, so my faith might be misplaced.

You're right though in that Valve don't particularly seem to care about deadlines, and I remember the CS:S release remained "beta" for about a year after HL2 came out, which was pretty funny. But Valve's stuff - when it does come out early - has more game-ruining bugs in it than LFS does. The only LFS one I can think of was the high-nose downforce exploit in the early S2 releases.

Speaking of which, TF2 tonight?!

Maybe, just for shits n' giggles. But I am rather drunk: The only reason I'm not still on LFS is because I managed to spin the FOX three times in 2 sectors...

[W1ldPort75]

All i know is that if all other cockpits (fzr,xrt,fxr etc etc) look as nice as the FBM , i will stop racing all other sims i have :x . Ups , what am i saying on the LFS Forum :razz: . Hmm.... i ...... swear i ....... only drive LFS :schwitz:

[ajp71]

I've just spotted a small bug in the CMX viewer, I think 'cloudy afternoo' should have an N on the end of it ;)

[The Very End]

I've just spotted a small bug in the CMX viewer, I think 'cloudy afternoo' should have an N on the end of it ;)

Bug: Cloudy Afternoo? (having loaded the viewer, and loaded the FBM)

:)

[legoflamb]

Oh, I thought the 'afternoo' was supposed to be like that to fit it in.:shrug:

[deggis]

Y'know though I'm glad they released S2 regardless.

That's the coolest thing about Scavier. Most game developers give you shit-hot-looking screenies a year before the thing's even due for release, then delay the release for another year. Scavier give us practically finished games while they're still producing slightly iffy-looking screenies, and let us play it while they're finishing it.
I didn't mean that. Just kind of before vs. after compare to show how fecking horrible, especially the old FOX/FO8 cockpits were.