Nvidia 8800GT [Archive] - Live for Speed

mcintyrej

27th October 2007, 21:52

Anyone looking into getting one of these? OCUK are hinting on release being monday, they look a bargiain.

£140-£150 for a performance inbetween the 8800GTS and the 8800GTX. Whooping the 2900's too!

I might get myself one, If there's a good deal on.

Update:

Review I found on them, they look like a good card, performance benchmarks back up the claims. Also, it only takes up 1 slot! Which is very handy as I was dreading having to squeeze a 2-slot GTS into my case at some point.
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=197629

ajp71

27th October 2007, 21:59

I'm planning on getting one if they're released within the next 2-3 weeks otherwise I'll get an 8800GTS ;)

mcintyrej

27th October 2007, 22:01

I'm planning on getting one if they're released within the next 2-3 weeks otherwise I'll get an 8800GTS ;)

Why get an 8800GTS if the GT's are not released? Would you not want to wait a little to pay less and get a faster card?

Jakg

28th October 2007, 08:43

AJP - There'll be a new 8800GTS with 112 Stream Processors, which means your card will be old stock and not worth much if you ever wanted to sell it. Of course when the "new" GTS comes out the old GTS' might be a bargain!

I'm considering an 8800GT, but i probably won't buy it as while my card artefacts all the time at least it still works - not happy with the way the nVidia drivers work in x64 Vista though.

ajp71

28th October 2007, 09:30

Why get an 8800GTS if the GT's are not released? Would you not want to wait a little to pay less and get a faster card?

When I first started looking at a new PC AMD dual cores didn't exist, I think it's about time I stopped waiting and went and bought something ;)

NitroNitrous

28th October 2007, 09:33

It has a veary good performance/money ratio :nod: but if I updrage my card, it would be for DirectX10, where nVidia 8x00 and ATI X2xxx sucks, so I think I will wait to nVidia 9x00.
I think actual DX10 cards are for playing DX9 games...:(

mcintyrej

28th October 2007, 09:33

When I first started looking at a new PC AMD dual cores didn't exist, I think it's about time I stopped waiting and went and bought something ;)

They are planned to be released today, so don't rush into buying a GTS just yet. :tilt:

ajp71

28th October 2007, 09:43

They are planned to be released today, so don't rush into buying a GTS just yet. :tilt:

Don't worry I'm afraid the silver plates aren't quite as readily available here so I have to do a little thing called saving ;)

I could get a system with a cheap card now then replace it when the next generation cards come out but seeing as the perfect card for me is scheduled for tomorrow that plan doesn't seem sensible anymore.

Jakg

28th October 2007, 11:20

They are planned to be released today, so don't rush into buying a GTS just yet. :tilt:Monday, 2 PM is what Scan are saying.

mcintyrej

28th October 2007, 11:32

Monday, 2 PM is what Scan are saying.

Just to add, Overclockers too.

EDIT:

Just realised I said they were out today. They're not sorry - monday i meant. Thought it was monday today!

dropin_biking

28th October 2007, 13:32

I'm curious about the overclocking. Rumor has it they will do 700/2000 happily. I'm a little skeptical about the single slot cooler. Of course they will run cooler due to 65nm, but is the cooler up to par for some overclocking, and posibly volt moding?
~Bryan~

mcintyrej

29th October 2007, 11:55

One hour till the supposed launch.

Overclockers.co.uk have created a new section for the GT's, so definatly today.

Jakg

29th October 2007, 15:56

Oh wow. eBuyer have 'em for £155, and Scan have ones from £180 to £225.

Yet in the US they're being sold for £136.

....WTF?!

Living in the UK FTL.

NitroNitrous

29th October 2007, 16:08

In Spain you can buy for 230€, the XFX XT version for 260€ (640/1900Mhz) and the XXX for 290€ (675/1950Mhz).

Thunderhead

29th October 2007, 20:49

Oh wow. eBuyer have 'em for £155, and Scan have ones from £180 to £225.

Yet in the US they're being sold for £136.

....WTF?!

Living in the UK FTL.

cheer up.

round here they will be £290. :x

atledreier

30th October 2007, 05:27

I just ordered two, so we'll see what they can do in a few days. Can't wait!

Going from 2 XFX 7900GTX, so the extra power should be noticeable, and I will get DX10 capabilities along with the new features of the 8xxx range.

Takumi_lfs

30th October 2007, 08:03

Ow well, Found the thread.

Looks like better than 8600GTS. But why the heck is it fater than 8800GTS? I thought that the GTS version were better than GT?

I'm a bit confused with Nvidia. So does it mean that 8600GT is better and faster than 8600GTS?

mcintyrej

30th October 2007, 08:03

You'll have a powerhouse there! SLI'd 8800GT's are said to surpass the 8800GTX, while still costing less. Hope they're good! Give us some information when you get them.

Ow well, Found the thread.

Looks like better than 8600GTS. But why the heck is it fater than 8800GTS? I thought that the GTS version were better than GT?

I'm a bit confused with Nvidia. So does it mean that 8600GT is better and faster than 8600GTS?

Nvidia are calling the 8800GT the 8800GT instead of GTSX or whatever because the new GTS is planned soon. GTS cards are faster than the GT's, just for this period of time until the new GTS' are released its the other way around. However the 8600 series remains, GTS is faster than GT.

Takumi_lfs

30th October 2007, 08:09

I checked around for the 8800GT but some say that these aren't real benchmarks :shrug:

I found another benchmark but it was chineese.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftopic.expreview.com%2F200 7-10-23%2F1193114539d6255_1.html&langpair=zh%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

translated. Chineese page Loads slow.

mcintyrej

30th October 2007, 08:11

I checked around for the 8800GT but some say that these aren't real benchmarks :shrug:

I found another benchmark but it was chineese.

These anygood?

http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/hd_useage.png
http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/3dmark_01.png
http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/3dmark_02.png
http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/3dmark_03.png

See how its above everything but the GTX? SLI'd would own the GTX. Bargain of the century, to be honest. *waits to grab an impulse sell of the 8800GTS on ebay*

Takumi_lfs

30th October 2007, 08:17

These anygood?

http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/hd_useage.png
http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/3dmark_01.png
http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/3dmark_02.png
http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/3dmark_03.png

See how its above everything but the GTX? SLI'd would own the GTX. Bargain of the century, to be honest. *waits to grab an impulse sell of the 8800GTS on ebay*

I hope that these are real :scratchch

I'm thinking of the 8800GT now too. But there are 2 version's of it right?

So how do i know witch one it the new?

BTW: NEW http://news.ferra.ru/images/189/189755.jpg
OLD http://hard-pc.pl/images/news/1159518267645.jpg

So the new one takes one slot and not double?

pb32000

30th October 2007, 08:30

atledreier

30th October 2007, 09:43

Yeah, well..

I changed my plans and cancelled my order. I went for an XFX 8800GTX instead.. It's cheaper than two GT by a fair bit, and will give me a better upgrade path. I'm thinking of adding another GTX in the not too distant future.

Shotglass

30th October 2007, 10:31

See how its above everything but the GTX? SLI'd would own the GTX. Bargain of the century, to be honest. *waits to grab an impulse sell of the 8800GTS on ebay*

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3140&p=12
fast and cheaper than a single gtx

definitely the card to go for if youre in the market for a new card without the willingness to sell your soul and all of your belongings for a gtx/ultra

Bladerunner

1st November 2007, 09:49

pb32000

1st November 2007, 12:39

Just been checking the specs on the 8800GT compared to the 8800GTS which I have...and it seems to have exactly the same chipset, albeit running at about 15-20% faster clockspeeds for the core and ram...
So...could I assume that it might be worth trying to 'squeeeze' a bit more out of my 8800GTS?

It's not the same chipset at all Bladerunner, its the G92 whereas the GTS is the G80. The G92 is a 65nm chipset hence it running cooler and using less power, thus being able to run faster I guess.

Jakg

1st November 2007, 19:13

The 8800GT is newer and cheaper to make (thanks to the smaller die) - the rumours now are that they brought this in before the new GTS (nVidia ALWAYS release fast cards fast...) because they want to pre-emptively tackle the 2900GT/2950XT/2950Pro.

Either way it's worth waiting a week and a bit for the prices to drop to more reasonable levels.

srdsprinter

1st November 2007, 19:24

Very strange that the "new" 8800 GTS will retain the 256-bit interface of the G92, and come with (probably) 512 or 1024MB of ram, giving it a slower bus than the 320-bit G80 GTS.

Regardless, the GTS is supposed to trump the performance of even the 8800GTX, so we can presume that a new (or at least refreshed) flagship GPU is somewhere near in the pipeline.

J.B.

1st November 2007, 20:03

Price seems a bit too high to be called a real bargain (250€) but finally we have a current generation card that isn't completely ridiculous in terms price, power, heat, noise.

And it can decode AVC! (all the other 8800 can't). Looks like still no VC-1 decode though so I guess waiting for ATI Radeon HD 38xx might be good idea for people who want a card for gaming and HD decoding.

Stang70Fastback

15th November 2007, 14:49

Jakg

15th November 2007, 15:08

They run cooler than an 8800GTS from everything i've seen...

Mikey

15th November 2007, 15:33

I just recently got one of these to go into my new machine:

ASUS P5K-E
Intel Q6600
Zotac 8800GT (660mhz)

Haven't got the machine working 100% yet, I can't get my DDR2-6400 to run in dual channel mode. but more than pleased with the current setup seems to run everything full res (1680x1050), full detail.

Stang70Fastback

15th November 2007, 16:58

They run cooler than an 8800GTS from everything i've seen...

Really? I've heard that the single-slot cooler makes it run hotter... but I'm not sure anymore.

Shotglass

15th November 2007, 18:20

hm i wonder how these would fare on an x2 4400+ comapred to a 78gtx

Fuel Filter

15th November 2007, 22:55

Just curious if anyone here has one of these things yet. I'm looking into getting one, but I'm concerned about heat. I know a lot of people are having issues with the cards running extremely hot. I live in a college dorm, so my desktop can get a bit hot. Just wondering how yours runs if anyone has one.

80C + on newer games at 50% fan speed. If you have a good 7900 series cooler, it's tranferable to the 88GT. Zalman makes some wicked fans.
Like my old 7900GS, LFS in considerably lower. Could be due to my fps cap and/or LFSs light graphics.

Fuel Filter

15th November 2007, 23:01

hm i wonder how these would fare on an x2 4400+ comapred to a 78gtx

You shouldn't have much, if any bottlenecking with the cpu. 2 to 2.5 times the muscle as the 7800GTX *jaw drops*

J.B.

17th November 2007, 13:47

pb32000

17th November 2007, 13:59

ATI 3850 and 3870 are out now too. Quick summary of 3870 (vs 8800 GT):

-bit cheaper
-bit slower
-almost identical load power consumption
-much less idle power consumption
-full VC-1 and AVC decoding (8800 GT only has AVC)
-Directx 10.1 (8800 GT has 10.0)
-no more XT, GT, GTS, LE, WTF, FU, HJGGF naming scheme, yay!

Good stuff, I always said the previous "high end" cards were rubbish, now they're obsolete.

Obsolete? A year after they were first availble they are now 2nd best. Wow. Suprising knowing the PC industry... Oh wait no it's the same thing that happens every time a new component is released.

Furthermore the 3870 is not marginally slower than the 8800GT, in fact its marginally worse than the GTS's.

J.B.

17th November 2007, 14:09

I didn't say the 3870 was better than the 8800 GT. I said it's a bit slower and has more features.

And cards that cost 600€, create 200 W of heat and can't decode HD videos were rubbish when they came out and are rubbish now. If you want to compare them to the CPU industry then the new cards are the ones that should have been out a year ago.

pb32000

17th November 2007, 14:47

I messed up my post so I edited it shortly after with the correct quote.

I wouldn't say in terms of gaming performance the first generation GeForce 8s were rubbish at all. They gave massive performance gains over the previous generation of cards which is what they were built to do.

I'm not quite sure what everyone's annoyance is about concerning graphics cards that don't decode HD. I'm sure if you buy a new high-end graphics card then you are going to have a high-end enough CPU that will quite happily decode HD content. I know mine does.

In terms of heat generated, yes they are poor. The 90nm architecture is not good for thermal performance I guess. And in that respect they are bad. Do I notice the amount of heat generated by my card? No. Does it affect my system performance in any way? No.

J.B.

17th November 2007, 16:19

Generated heat is noticed by noise made trying to get rid of it and by the need for a PSU that is way overpowered compared to what all the other components of the PC need.

If you have a fast dual core CPU then you are right about being able to decode HD on the CPU. However there are much cheaper cards that can decode HD on single core machines so I do think this feature should be on the fasest cards as well.

I can't deny the performance increase of course but maybe Intel would be able to make a 6 Ghz octa-core if they were allowed to use 500W for it. It's the whole package that counts.

Electrik Kar

17th November 2007, 23:23

mcintyrej

18th November 2007, 18:54

How do you reckon 2 of these cards (3870) in crossfire would do against a single 8800 gtx? In terms of raw power seems as though they'd thrash it- and it's still a cheaper solution (from where I looked) with more added features. :shrug:

If you had an SLi motherboard i'd go for the GTX, probably would anyway since i'm not too fond of ATI. Why not an 8800GT? Better performance than a single 3870, if overclocked could probably beat Crossfired ones.

Electrik Kar

19th November 2007, 11:19

The 3870s are a little cheaper than the 8800 GTs. The 8800 GT seems a little faster in some benchmarks but isn't uniformly faster, plus the 3870 is extremely new and considering months of driver optimisations it might turn into a very nice card indeed.

There's no way I'd consider putting 2 gtx's into SLI- my budget doesn't stretch that far and I think (from a future perspective) that might be wasting money somewhat on a techonlogically older card -no DX10.1 /SM4.1.

Anyway- I'll probably be building a new system in Jan sometime, so I'll sort it all out then :)

h3adbang3r

26th November 2007, 22:56

I boned myself over and didn't listen to Jack when I got my rig. Ordered an 8800GTS along with my new rig yesterday, I plan on returning it as soon as it arrives and getting a GT. Hopefully they will allow me to replace the GTS with the GT on the 1-year payment plan I have.

Jakg

27th November 2007, 06:53

EK - Why do you think that drivers will help the 3870 that much? From what i've read it's based on the R600, which was crap with rubbish driver support, and then got a bit better, however surely the drivers are already quite good as it's based on an existign card?

IIRC your one of those with an x850, and get stuck on the whole SM2.1 thing - nice feature of the 3870 is DX10.1/SM4.1 vs DX10/SM4 on the 8xxx series.

Electrik Kar

27th November 2007, 09:54

It (RV670) does sound like an incremental improvement over the R600. But it is smaller (by half), more streamlined, less power hungry, and runs much cooler. It supports PCIE 2.0 with much higher bandwidth than before and seems very future proof in that regard.

Also, as you say- I don't really want to have the same problems as I did with my existing card with no SM3 support.. When it comes time to upgrade, I won't really consider any of the previous DX10 cards- the 8800GT seems great, but things have already moved on with enhanced and customisable AA for titles with deferred lighting/HDR etc.

Talking drivers, I've had no experience with the 2900 so I can't really comment. I think Crossfire support until now has been universally pretty bad, but as it's becoming more of a mainstream option these days (especially now with the 38xx series) I think things will improve (atleast, I hope they will :scratchch ). People say ATI drivers are crap, but they also say Nvidia drivers are crap... atleast, I can testify that my aging x800 pro still receives the occasional performance boost from installing new drivers, even though most/all efforts are concentrated on the higher end, so I'm actually pretty happy with ATI/AMD there.

Tweaker

27th November 2007, 10:09

To be honest, I see issues with drivers from both parties... so no point in really deciding which brand of drivers suck :tilt: Been a long time ATI and Nvidia user, and there are always similar problems that arise when using new drivers. Most of the time the only solution would be to roll-back to an older driver, since some drivers would have issues with a certain option in their 'control panel' or just have poor performance overall.

If I were to choose though, I think Nvidia have the most reliable and nicest drivers. ATI just seem to be still stuck in the year 2000 to me.... if you know what I mean.

lukelfs

27th November 2007, 15:32

Hi, im thinking of getting one of these, its the Zotac 8800GT 512mb 660/1600 (i think) and maybe a AMD 4600+ X2 and a mobo, and 2gb ram, how well do u think it will do on the latest games?? thanks :P

Scrabby

29th November 2007, 16:23

Saturday im gonna order a 8800GT (http://www.evga.com/articles/378.asp) from eVGA
hope it will run good with the following specs
AMD X2 4600+
2* 1024mb @ 667Mhz
Asus Crosshair mobo
EnerMax 600Watt PSU

Stang70Fastback

29th November 2007, 16:31

Asus Crosshair - wOOt!

Scrabby

29th November 2007, 16:32

lolz

Scrabby

29th November 2007, 17:09

yep i decided to buy teh 8800GT SSC
http://www.evga.com//products/moreinfo.asp?pn=512-P3-N806-A1&family=19

Stang70Fastback

29th November 2007, 18:10

8800GT SSC - wOOt! We have so much in common!

...well not yet, but I'm hoping for that version for xmas, lol.

BigDave2967

4th December 2007, 10:54

Since we are talking about the 8800gt. Which is recommended? I see 8800gt with 340mb DDR3, (which was what I was thinking of asking for christmas) but I ran into a 8800gt 512mb DDR3 on ebuyer, I didnt recognise the company, looked a new manufacture for nVidia.

2 examples:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/136561

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/134871

Was going to ask this for christmas, but which one to choose, there are so many 8800GTs to choose from! :D.

Stang70Fastback

4th December 2007, 12:55

Definitely try and get the 512 mb version...

...otherwise it's like buying a 747 but with only two engines - it'll fly, but just barely, and it will have a LOT of trouble taking off when fully loaded.

lol, that's such a great analogy.

Jakg

4th December 2007, 14:24

nVidia = Generic. nVidia already make the cards int he first place, eVGA just warranty them and sometimes use a new cooler.

The 320 MB version is the 8800GTS. Currently the 8800GT is faster than the 8800GTS (confusing, i know!), however a new 8800GTS is in the works.

I've never been keen on the 320 MB GTS myself, as i was sucked into buying a low-memory card (256 MB 7950GT, rather than the "full fat" 512 MB version), and with the way textures are going, you will be limited in newer games if you get a monitor over 22".

h3adbang3r

5th December 2007, 05:30

It seems the 8800GTS I got is a higher version than regular 640MB cards. Newegg shows other GTS's have 96 stream processors while mine has 112.

Scrabby

5th December 2007, 16:34

well then u have the G92 based but since it isnt out yet... u sure u dont have a GT instead of a gtS

Stang70Fastback

5th December 2007, 16:36

It seems the 8800GTS I got is a higher version than regular 640MB cards. Newegg shows other GTS's have 96 stream processors while mine has 112.

You must either have a different card, or the software that's giving you your info is wrong. The updated GTS cards aren't out yet. Unless they accidentally sent you a beta unit or something, in which case I'd sell it on ebay for $1000 or something, lol.

Scrabby

5th December 2007, 18:07

just decided i'm gonna buy tomorrow a 8800GTS 320MB from XFX, its really hard to get a 8800GT and GTS (G92) also wont be easy so im just gonna buy the "old" GTS but at a fair discount at work:)

Noccy

5th December 2007, 18:34

why on earth would u do that scrabby?
Especially the 320mb version, every new game is designed with 512Vram in mind so dont expect a 320mb card to perform well in 2008.

I would simply preorder a new GTS, they will be in stock from 11/12 onwards. So preorder one and it will be shipped on 11/12. If u want to wait till they have stock ofc they will all be sold allready. (just like the 8800GT now)

blackcarmafia

9th December 2007, 10:08

And how much will new gtS cost? More than current GT?

I am thinking of buying new PC but then i dunno if prices stay high becouse of x-mas and all those hollydays? Is it better wait till January/February? Maybe Some new Quads that are cheaper than those now appear? Wat do u say? :shrug:

benjie.13

12th December 2007, 18:38

I'm getting an 8800GT... It's been ordered and is on its way.

JTbo

13th December 2007, 06:04

Had to cancel my 8800GT order as I was waiting Club 3d and little bird told me that it will go to January until those ship and then I'm back working my arse off, so no point getting card until at summer.

What I have gathered about card:
Cooling sucks, not very quiet either
Can get heat problems with stock clock if case ventilation is not good
Is really really quick for that price
New revision of cooling introduced around week ago, keep on eye for those