Round 8 Race Report

[BenjiMC]

Qualifying is currently underway, CoRe and CD locking out the top 4 places.

[BenjiMC]

Drive Through for teams 09 SR (Talking in qualifying) and 08 CoRe 29 (no numberplate on rear of skin)

[nmanley]

Little picture of Qualifying order.
http://www.pbase.com/nmanley/just_stuff

[BenjiMC]

Race started, Sorry for the accident with the SC, i accidentally clicked another window, LFS was in windowed mode.

DT for car 23, Talking

16 Moo Racing DSQ

[DeadWolfBones]

Too bad for Moo... all that way to race together and out on lap 1.

:(

[BenjiMC]

I've attached a config for race spectator if anybody wants to watch the race, it includes the teams for this race and drivers.

[BenjiMC]

18 CD1 DSQ, took the wrong route.

[Leifde]

Too bad for Moo... all that way to race together and out on lap 1.

:(Yeah, I messed it up big time. Ah well, we've got the rest of the week to have fun :D

[nmanley]

Benji, Can I ask what the safety car was for?

[BenjiMC]

Safety car for car 23, Punctured tyre in first corner.

[Astro [ BJRL ]]

what to do with the config file ? - I have spectator 2.02 or something

[DeadWolfBones]

Yeah, I messed it up big time. Ah well, we've got the rest of the week to have fun :D

What happened?

[nmanley]

Safety car for car 23, Punctured tyre in first corner.


Ok, Thank you.

That's very nice as he now has taken the lead of the race. How is it that you pop a tire and you get the advantage of making a slow lap and being up front 3 laps into the restart.

I and my team do not think a poped tire is cause for a safety car unless said car has CRASHED and is in the racing line.

See my point?

[DeadWolfBones]

BigTime wants to apologize to Droemel for that early crash, btw. Admits it was his mistake and is very sorry about it.

(So sorry he won't stop talking about it, it's damn annoying. :schwitz:)

[Astro [ BJRL ]]

;579727']what to do with the config file ? - I have spectator 2.02 or something
anybody knows ?

[BenjiMC]

;579727']what to do with the config file ? - I have spectator 2.02 or something

Save it and unzip it into the folder which Race Spectator is in.
Ok, Thank you.

That's very nice as he now has taken the lead of the race. How is it that you pop a tire and you get the advantage of making a slow lap and being up front 3 laps into the restart.

I and my team do not think a poped tire is cause for a safety car unless said car has CRASHED and is in the racing line.

See my point?

Yes, but punctures have been considered valid reasons for SC's throughout the season.

[brianmcd]

I agree with you.

~brian

Ok, Thank you.

That's very nice as he now has taken the lead of the race. How is it that you pop a tire and you get the advantage of making a slow lap and being up front 3 laps into the restart.

I and my team do not think a poped tire is cause for a safety car unless said car has CRASHED and is in the racing line.

See my point?

[DeadWolfBones]

Especially since the car would have had to run the entire lap at reduced speed and been an obstacle for others.

[BranislavS]

sorry STU for that after SC :(

[Astro [ BJRL ]]

I put file in same folder as LFS Spectator 2.02 and no serverlist appears when clicking Refresh (?)
:really:

[BenjiMC]

03 Synergy DT for cutting pit exit line

[DeadWolfBones]

sorry STU for that after SC :(

I didn't see anything really bad there. Just a little rubbing. :D:thumbsup:

[BenjiMC]

;579745']I put file in same folder as LFS Spectator 2.02 and no serverlist appears when clicking Refresh (?)
:really:

It should of overwriten another file of the same name.

[MARSH2a]

Especially since the car would have had to run the entire lap at reduced speed and been an obstacle for others.
Like other last place cars...

[DeadWolfBones]

1hr in, a close 4-car battle at the front. Currently:

01- #25
02- #23
03- #08
04- #01
05- #15
06- #21
07- #02
08- #22
09- #19
10- #13
11- #03
12- #09
13- #12

Top 4 are within sight of each other! :thumb:

[BenjiMC]

Like other last place cars...

Thats a different speed difference.

[nmanley]

sorry STU for that after SC :(

Stu said no problem :)

[birder]

18 CD1 DSQ, took the wrong route.

[CD] BreadC's wheel disconnected itself in LFS

[DeadWolfBones]

[CD] BreadC's wheel disconnected itself in LFS


:[

[Lotesdelere]

Especially since the car would have had to run the entire lap at reduced speed and been an obstacle for others.

Like other last place cars...
Yep, and it's the responsibility of the driver who is having problems to stay out of the racing line, like people who are getting blue flag.
It's a race so there's something not clear there...

[DeadWolfBones]

Yep, and it's the responsibility of the driver who is having problems to stay out of the racing line, like people who are getting blue flag.
It's a race so there's something not clear there...

I agree, except that there are many blind corners on this track that could have caught drivers out.

It was a judgment call (made by Benji).

[Lotesdelere]

Thats a different speed difference.
The only difference is between a car which is still able to join the pits by its own and a car which is damaged enough or stuck anywhere so it may be a danger for the other ones.
Otherwise you can't call it a race.

[birder]

By the way the config.ini will give strange results as one of the CORE named team members is also driving one of the course cars.

The way it works is adds up all the laps done by the team members so CORE also get the laps done by 2 drivers at a time, however LFS does not do that.

I also hope someone will explain why a safety car came out or a puncture, and why the team gained from it.

[BenjiMC]

My reasons for my decision are:

Puncture at the start of the lap
The car is unsafe to drive with a puncture

Edit: The team gained from it because they started better, they were 5th-7th at the restart.

[DeadWolfBones]

TDRT #21 out at 1:24, flipped in last corner.

[srdsprinter]

sorry STU for that after SC :(
No worries! :thumb:

[Lotesdelere]

My reasons for my decision are:

The car is unsafe to drive with a puncture
It is safe. We did practice to drive with popped tyres, not our problem is the other teams didn't.
There is deffo something to be sorted out for the next season there.

[DeadWolfBones]

I would agree that we need to more clearly define what constitutes grounds for a yellow. There has to be wiggle room for judgment calls, though.

[srdsprinter]

It is safe. We did practice to drive with popped tyres, not our problem is the other teams didn't.
There is deffo something to be sorted out for the next season there.
I have to agree with you. Our team practiced to ensure we would only go as far as the tires would allow between stops.

If contact was the reason for the punture then obviously the damage was enough to warrant a pit before the tire blew.

Anyway, fun race going on. Shame about the DNFs so early in the race.

[DeadWolfBones]

And FWIW, no CoRe member was involved in the decision making for that SC period. Benji decided it.

[Lotesdelere]

And FWIW, no CoRe member was involved in the decision making for that SC period. Benji decided it.
That's not what I meant.
The only question is: are you going to get out the SC for every driver who is going to pop a tyre ?

[srdsprinter]

That's not what I meant.
The only question is: are you going to get out the SC for every driver who is going to pop a tyre ?
They have to. Precedent has been set.

[BenjiMC]

If we believe it is in a position on the track whereby it warrants one. The first corner of the circuit imo is one of these positions.

[DeadWolfBones]

Tires blown toward the end of the lap might not get that treatment. It was a special circumstance where the 23 blew its tire going into the first corner.

For instance, Unity blew one in the third sector and there was no flag.

[MARSH2a]

Does anyone have a first stint replay they can share?

[DeadWolfBones]

I would, but it's still recording.

[BenjiMC]

I do, but my PC has already timed out so i dont wanna risk the upload.

[birder]

My reasons for my decision are:

Puncture at the start of the lap
The car is unsafe to drive with a puncture
Edit: The team gained from it because they started better, they were 5th-7th at the restart.

If the car was unsafe if should have pulled off the track but it limped back to the pits losing nothing. In a real race yellow flags would have been waived but no way would a safety car come out for a puncture.

You made a decision but I am afraid most poeple will feel you made the wrong decision.

The IGTC is either serious or a bit of fun, if its serious and you want to attract all the big teams back you need to sort this out.

[DeadWolfBones]

You made a decision and but I am afraid most poeple will feel you made the wrong decision. (exept CORE)

Actually, both mine and Brian's gut reactions were against the SC, but I feel that it could have gone either way.

BigTime, of course, wanted the yellow, but what driver wouldn't in that situation? :D

[MARSH2a]

The IGTC is either serious or a bit of fun, if its serious and you want to attract all the big teams back you need to sort this out.

IMO next season, a car that causes a safety car, should get a stop and go.

[BreadC]

flat tyre means that round round right handers is hard... but left handers are the same and str8 u are the same so i dont see why safety car was brought out as this is left hand circuit...

[DeadWolfBones]

For next season we're looking into forming a protest review board with a representative from each team. In addition we'd like to have the in-race marshals all be unaffiliated third parties. We're putting out feelers to see if we can get a solid team who are not also drivers.

We will also more clearly define what constitutes criteria for a SC period.

Sorry for the disagreement over this one, but the admins stand by their decision.

[BreadC]

of course they would :x

[R.Kolz]

:( TDRT #21 out of the race. Very disappointing.:(

Flipped last corner ( gi´me an excuse here, pls. :D ) caused by the damage of an overlapping manouvre....:nod:

With this damage I had a big moment, right after the 1st split, 2 laps before so I should have been all warned about it.
2 laps after I couldn´t save the #21.
Front right damper and left back damper was a bad damage mixture.
Now I´m very sorry that my teammate [TDRT] T.Jessen can´t race tonight.:shrug:

We really worked hard to get a exellent setup for this track. Thanks to my teammates we for sure did a great job, indicated that I didn´t even got my tyres changed with setting "if worse 55%" under SC period arround lap 18, I think it was.
Fuel? TDRT has always enough fuel on board...:biggrinfl

Well, TDRT still has one more car in the race. Good luck guys.

Good race all.

[srdsprinter]

:( TDRT #21 out of the race. Very disappointing.:(

Flipped last corner ( gi´me an excuse here, pls. :D ) caused by the damage of an overlapping manouvre....:nod:

With this damage I had a big moment, right after the 1st split, 2 laps before so I should have been all warned about it.
2 laps after I couldn´t save the #21.
Front right damper and left back damper was a bad damage mixture.
Now I´m very sorry that my teammate [TDRT] T.Jessen can´t race tonight.:shrug:

We really worked hard to get a exellent setup for this track. Thanks to my teammates we for sure did a great job, indicated that I didn´t even got my tyres changed with setting "if worse 55%" under SC period arround lap 18, I think it was.
Fuel? TDRT has always enough fuel on board...:biggrinfl

Well, TDRT still has one more car in the race. Good luck guys.

Good race all.
Sorry to see you guys knocked out. Tough luck, its been great fun racing with you this season.

[Gil07]

Gutted I disconnected :( Was pulling away from the group I was in, and enjoying myself a lot. My teammate Keith is driving now.

I'd like to thank Alias John Holme for letting me past when i was on a flying lap, very nice of you :)

[MZWiZard]

Just got a disconnect too - just as I were getting in the low 1.50's :shrug: Otherwise a damn good race! :thumb:

[R.Kolz]

Thanks, srdsprinter. Yeah, unlucky. We enjoyed a lot racing you guys as well. :thumb:

Anybody a replay of the quali session, pls ?

[BenjiMC]

Positions after 3 hours 10 mins;

01- #08 CoRe 1
02- #23 CoRe 2
03- #25 CD 2
04- #13 SDI
05- #01 LOTF 1
06- #19 LOTF 2
07- #22 TDRT 2
08- #03 Synergy
09- #02 Alias
10- #09 SR - DC
11- #15 Unity - DC
12- #12 DBA - DSQ, Fuel
13- #21 TDRT - DSQ, Rolled car
14- #18 CD1 - DSQ, Wrong route
15- #16 Moo - DSQ, Disconnect

[Astro [ BJRL ]]

I'd like to thank Alias John Holme for letting me past when i was on a flying lap, very nice of you :)

They call me Mr. Blue Flag

:schwitz:

[Gil07]

;579865']They call me Mr. Blue Flag

:schwitz:

LOL :D You were a lap ahead of me, not the other way round :)

[BenjiMC]

:)


DT for 15 Unity, incorrect skin.

[Humbleridderen]

Why did car 15 get a drive through??????

[Humbleridderen]

:)


DT for 15 Unity, incorrect skin.

WELL!!!!
It´s the correct skin! sry

[Humbleridderen]

Benji, Can you please contact us at ts: 195.78.83.8:8782

[BenjiMC]

I am on...

[Kasper Stoltze]

Benji, we cant hear you on TS?

[Kasper Stoltze]

It was the CORRECT skin!

[nmanley]

Congratulations to all, good fun it was and look forward to the future. :thumb:

[BranislavS]

great race to all ,and great season for all.

can someone post the full replay pls? :thumb:

[srdsprinter]

Nice job SDI, couldn't for the life of me reel you in...

[Humbleridderen]

Just to clarify better our opinion. We had a disconnect for a comfortable 4th place. Kasper Stoltze entered very fast, but suddenly you couldn´t see our skin. Strange, because he had run earlier with the same skin in this race and we could see the skin. So I think it´s a signal error.

But anyway, I think it´s too hard to give us a drive through for not being able to see our skin, because we had a disconnect and had to enter very fast and no chance to correct a signal problem, as we could have done before the race. You must have some understanding for this. I think, it´s not fair and should be compensated, when you calculate on the seconds before and after the disconnect we had.

[BenjiMC]

I can't be lenient on the rules if you have had a disconnect. However a problem with LFS i will account for and i will consider this when i process the final results.

[DeadWolfBones]

Uploading the full replay now. :thumbsup:

[Richard Torp]

Isn`t it supposed that the skin only will be shown if the other racers are going into the pits after a race joining or disconnect?

I can`t see all skins for new joiners before i`m going into the pit or spectating..

Sorry for posting it.. :schwitz:

Maybe its only with new skins who are not yet into the folder.. maybe i`m wrong..

[srdsprinter]

Just to clarify better our opinion. We had a disconnect for a comfortable 4th place. Kasper Stoltze entered very fast, but suddenly you couldn´t see our skin. Strange, because he had run earlier with the same skin in this race and we could see the skin. So I think it´s a signal error.

But anyway, I think it´s too hard to give us a drive through for not being able to see our skin, because we had a disconnect and had to enter very fast and no chance to correct a signal problem, as we could have done before the race. You must have some understanding for this. I think, it´s not fair and should be compensated, when you calculate on the seconds before and after the disconnect we had.
you could just take it in place of the LL pentalty due to the driver change:

3) In order to avoid a penalty, a driver who loses connection for any reason prior to a driver change must reconnect and re-join the race. If another driver takes over the car before the original driver reconnects, the team will be assessed a LL penalty in the final standings.

[Humbleridderen]

you could just take it in place of the LL pentalty due to the driver change:

3) In order to avoid a penalty, a driver who loses connection for any reason prior to a driver change must reconnect and re-join the race. If another driver takes over the car before the original driver reconnects, the team will be assessed a LL penalty in the final standings.

What means LL?

[srdsprinter]

Last On Lap

[Humbleridderen]

Last On Lap

Well, yes, that´s sounds fair. Stupid i hadn´t read those rules lately, so I could have chosen to enter the same driver. But why this rule?

[R.Kolz]

Well, yes, that´s sounds fair. Stupid i hadn´t read those rules lately, so I could have chosen to enter the same driver. But why this rule?

Agreed. I´ll post my sugestion/question in the IGTC-thread " ask Q here ". Btw.. good Unity race this was. :thumb:

[DeadWolfBones]

http://www.mediafire.com/?0xi7eu0zzab

[DeadWolfBones]

Well, yes, that´s sounds fair. Stupid i hadn´t read those rules lately, so I could have chosen to enter the same driver. But why this rule?

This rule was instituted following the AS Nat round, where the Cyber team got a big advantage from a quick disconnect (by one driver)/reconnect (by another).

[rcpilot]

Good race, had one incident with the 15 that I was pretty mad about, but they had a disconnect and I don't really agree completely with the disconnect penalty and figure that's bad enough so not gonna protest our incident. And learned that if I'm going to be in a situation where I need to push I should limit myself to two hours. Was just running at a fast cruise for this race with our main competition of the other CD car dropping out, and basically just because of cramping/soreness in my hands my ability for fine control was lacking in the last 20 minutes or so of my 2 hours and 30 minutes.

[R.Kolz]

http://www.mediafire.com/?0xi7eu0zzab

Thank you. You keep a replay of our quali as well ?

[banshee56]

Congrats to everyone for a great race 8. That was only me second IGTC experience, and I enjoyed driving this combo with my teammates. Congrats to rcpilot for taking the win, and to my teammates in the XRR for taking the championship!

[srdsprinter]

And learned that if I'm going to be in a situation where I need to push I should limit myself to two hours. Was just running at a fast cruise for this race with our main competition of the other CD car dropping out, and basically just because of cramping/soreness in my hands my ability for fine control was lacking in the last 20 minutes or so of my 2 hours and 30 minutes.
or just use your wheel:razz:

[DeadWolfBones]

Thank you. You keep a replay of our quali as well ?

Unfortunately, no. Anyone else get it?

[rcpilot]

or just use your wheel:razz:
That will come with time. :p It's a big adjustment when you've been using a joystick for yeeeeeeeeeeears. Not too slow on it but when league season rolled around I was still a few tenths per minute off my joystick pace, and it's no fun to drive slower than you really can in a competitive environment. (Plus that's 10 seconds for every half hour you race in league situations.)

Actually semi-looking into a g25, because one of my biggest complaints is the marshmallow pedals of my momo black. I have no problems controlling a real car and keeping it on edge throughout the entire corner, but there's just 0 tension in these pedals. Have problems feeling out how much I'm actually on the pedal without a decent bit of tension in it.

[nmanley]

Actually semi-looking into a g25, because one of my biggest complaints is the marshmallow pedals of my momo black. I have no problems controlling a real car and keeping it on edge throughout the entire corner, but there's just 0 tension in these pedals. Have problems feeling out how much I'm actually on the pedal without a decent bit of tension in it.

Drive in your socks, works for me on pedal feel. ;) I do find it quite amazing that your so consistent with the stick. Arm pump must be heII! :D

[MARSH2a]

F'n beautiful race 'hicup' :drunk: even the dog loved it 'burp'

[BigTime]

Yeah RC, thats the reason I no longer use a MS Force Feedback Wheel. There is just no feel for the pedals, which makes it much harder to get around a corner smoothly.

I have to say this has been a really fun season and a pretty good race. Things worked out for us and I'm happy with what the administrators, CD server administrators, and my team have done all season long. Good racing all over the server, as always.

P.S. CD I'm really sorry about that incident early in the race where I slid into your FXR. I was just a hair too lead footed and just so happen that the moment of my involuntary loss of muscular coordination, was when you where going for the pass. I came down a little hard, then it looked like we got a big lag hit which sent us both off the track. Never the less, sorry for the hit and good racing.

[BranislavS]

Unfortunately, no. Anyone else get it?

replay is here :http://www.mediafire.com/?fjd2imzdtsd

from the race 8 replay is posible make STATS? (i try it but don't work ,when driver swap the program break down)

[R.Kolz]

replay is here :http://www.mediafire.com/?fjd2imzdtsd

from the race 8 replay is posible make STATS? (i try it but don't work ,when driver swap the program break down)

Same here. Probs after 37 mins. I already made a post in the LFSstats section about it.

[BranislavS]

Quali stats

http://www.delsol.wz.cz/LFS/2007-10-21_11.49.28_results_qual.html


sorry my fault ,now it's working

[Gil07]

Link not working :(

[srdsprinter]

link works now, nice, any race stats perhaps?

[srdsprinter]

The qual and Race files links aren't working.

[BreadC]

would of been good race if i didnt have the wheel problem... i practiced alot for this race only to mess it up for the CD team :(

[DeadWolfBones]

Yeah, that was really bad luck. Would have been a better race with you guys out there. :(

[srdsprinter]

would of been good race if i didnt have the wheel problem... i practiced alot for this race only to mess it up for the CD team :(
brutal luck there, I couldn't have been more confused following you there... :(

[Lotesdelere]

The qual and Race files links aren't working.
Both links are working fine for me :shrug:

[Humbleridderen]

Love to see a race report from the 16 Moo team :razz:

[nmanley]

Love to see a race report from the 16 Moo team :razz:

Sheesh man that's cold!!! :D They were out on lap #1. I know how that feels. BAD!