Winter cup season 1 Rules

[danowat]

Please read and digest all rules before signing up please :)

Rules

There will be a mix of events throughout the season, these will be single race “standard” events, which will be around, 30-45 mins, two sprint races, each race of 20mins in length, and endurance races, which will be 2 hours long.

There will be a qualification period of 15mins, and either one main race, or two main races, depending on the event

The league will always start on Thursdays at 19.30 GMT.
The idea of the league is fun but competitive racing.
You will find the results, standings and replays in the RSSC forum
All times are GMT/UTC.

1) General Rules:

Qualification : This is a ONE SHOT qualifying system, that means that once you have left the pits to start your qualification, you will not be permitted to re-enter the qualification if you pit, once you are out, that’s it, no second goes.
If you turn up after qualification has started, you will start from the back of the grid

Drive clean and fair, if you unfairly disadvantage a fellow racer you should do the honourable thing and allow said driver to pass you, this is just a gentlemans rule, and due to the nature of LFS's damage model, lag and other factors cannot be enforced fully.

1a) Car Selection:

-You must choose between the RAC (Raceabout) and the FZ50, once you have raced the first event in any car you MUST use this car for the rest of the season, the FZ50 must NOT use TC

1b) Track conditions:

- Track conditions and time CAN change, the website will be updated with a weather report at least 1 day before the event.

1c) Chatting:

- Chatting MUST be limited during the main race, only sorry or likewise being allowed.
- You can block messages in the main race, but be aware that this will also block messages that may help you in avoiding a penalty.

1d) Disconnection:

- If you got a disconnection during the qualification period you can not rejoin the qualification but you can spectate, if you didn’t manage to set a time, you will start from the back of the grid.
- If you got a disconnection during the race you can not rejoin the race but you can spectate.

1e) Reset:

- Resetting is NOT allowed, if you are stuck, or inverted you may Shift-S back to the pits.

1f) Restarts

- The race WILL NOT be restarted under ANY circumstances

1g) Yellow and Blue Flags:

- Respect the yellow and blue flags.
- No overtaking during Yellow flag (except the car/s that caused the yellow Flag).
- If you accidentally passed someone under yellow, you must let him pass you again ASAP!
- Drivers must use caution and be prepared to slow down under Yellow Flag conditions.
- When the Yellow Flag disappears from your screen you can overtake again.
- When you got a Blue Flag let the faster car/s pass you easily as fast as possible

1h) Race Starts:

- Remember to close all unnecessary programs and websites in the background (like MSN, LFS World etc.) before you race! Because these things take away some of your Internet bandwidth and could cause lag (timeouts) for you and the other racers on a server.
- There are no restarts of the race - no matter what.
- Laglaps, when starting directly from qualifying there will be NO laglap, if for any reason the race has to start from the lobby screen, a laglap WILL be required

For single race events, the starting grid will be determined by the qualifying.

When there are two races, for the two race sprint events, the starting positions will be as follows.

- Race 1 starting order is the result from qualifying.
- Race 2 starting order is the result from race 1.

1i) Pit Stops:

- There is NO forced pit-stop in the race, you can of course do a pitstop if your car is damaged, needs fuel, or tyres.

1j) In game driver names

-All drivers MUST use the following format for in game driver names.

Team tag (if you have one) real name

e.g. [AR] D.Watkins

1k) Signing up

The RSWC is open to ALL S2 licence holders, when signing up please use your real name, and if you are in a team, and would like to contribute to the team championship, please state your team.

Preference will be given in the following order

1) Those drivers that completed 4 RSSC2 events AND the oval event
2) Those drivers that completed 4 RSSC2 events
3) Those drivers that completed 1 RSSC2 event
4) All other drivers.

There are 30 places available and will be filled on a first come first served basis by the above critieria

In the event that more than 30 drivers sign up, those drivers will be entered into the reserves, all reserves are welcome to turn up to an event, but will only be allowed to race if there is room.

Non-reserve drivers that do not participate in 2 con-current events, without prior notice will be demoted to reserve status, and the next available reserve driver will take their place.

2) Race Penalties summary:

- If you come too late and join after the qualifying has started = your starting position will be the back of the grid.
- Wrong Passing under Yellow (and don't give the place back immediately) = you’ll placed behind the driver you passed in the final results of that race (be warned If he DNF you also DNF because you'll be placed behind him!).

- Rejoining a race / joining an ongoing race will also end in a DSQ.
- All other things that are actually not in this list can of course be penalized by the Admins after the race (i.e. reckless driving, pushing someone out of his pit, etc.)

3) Success Ballast:

Ballast will now be based on drivers championship positions, the following places in the drivers championship will have the following ballast.

1st +50kgs;
2nd +39kgs;
3rd +32kgs;
4th +23kgs;
5th +14kgs;
6th +9kgs;

4) Points: Drivers Championship

Each and every driver in the championship will be driving for points in the drivers championship, the driver with the highest amount of points at the end of the season will be declared the “Road Sport Winter Cup Champion”

- Qualifying winner = 1 Point
- Fastest lap = 1 Point
- Race:
Position 1 = 26
Position 2 = 23
Position 3 = 20
Position 4 = 18
Position 5 = 16
Position 6 = 14
Position 7 = 13
Position 8 = 12
Position 9 = 11
Position 10 = 10
Position 11 = 9
Position 12 = 8
Position 13 = 7
Position 14 = 6
Position 15 = 5
Position 16 = 4
Position 17 = 3
Position 18 = 2
Position 19 = 1

There will be NO points for DNF or DSQ.

4b) Points: Team Championship

When you enter the “Road Sport Winter Cup”, you have the chance to enter your team in the “Road Sport Winter Cup team championship”.
Each driver that signs up with their team will score points for the team championship, the team with the highest amount of points at the end of the season will be declared the “Road Sport Winter Cup Team Champion”

If a team has more than two drivers in it, the best two results in a single event will be counted towards the team points i.e.

Adaptive have 4 drivers.

Driver A comes 3rd
Driver B comes 6th
Driver C comes 2nd
Driver D comes 10th

Adaptives team points for that round will be 14 team pts (the two best results)

1st ***** 10 points
2nd***** 8 points
3rd ***** 6 points
4th****** 5 points
5th****** 4 points
6th ***** 3 points
7th****** 2 points
8th****** 1 point

There will be NO points for DNF or DSQ.

5) The server will be open at 19.00 GMT. You must be there before 19.30 GMT.

[jwardy]

ok all understood exept the wild card thing .

can u explain to me :scratchch

o and will x10 forced view be inforced??

[danowat]

Wild card.

You pick a track, what ever points you get at the track you pick, you get +10 points.

view will not be forced.

[Kid222]

And how will this work in sprint race? There are 2 races, does that mean i will get +10 from both of them?

[danowat]

No, just 10 pts + your total from both races

[P1lot]

Some questions...

Success Ballast. I understand that's +##kg (not minus as written) :p
Is this ballast ever removed, or do you carry and add to it as the season progresses? i.e. three 3rd positions and you're carrying 81kg.
Or is it cancelled and replaced by your finishing position ballast for the next event?

The driver then carries that ballast into the next event, if this event is a one race event, the driver must carry the ballast in qualifying.so what happens if its a two race event?

Team championship. This sounds like it will much depend on which team has the most drivers for best chance of scoring.
How about fixed teams of two? If there is more than two racers from a team, then they split themselves up into pairs for the purpose of this team championship. Other drivers without a team-mate could pair themselves up also, so they can be part of this championship. This worked well during early Endurance League seasons in 2004.

Wildcard round. This sounds like it will make no difference apart from chosing a round where you will attend. Everyone will get +10 points - everybody's the same.
Wildcard systems are usually a multiplication of your points scored, i.e. double points for one round, so chose a round you think you will do well in.

I hope you will consider these, I'm not trying to diss your system.

[danowat]

Ballast is cancelled and replaced for the next event. i.e.

Round 1
Everyone starts with zero ballast
Driver A wins
Driver A then carries 45kgs into the qualification and race of round 2
If driver A wins round 2, he will again carry 45kgs into the qualification and race of round 3.
If driver A comes 2nd in round 2, he will carry 36kg's into qualification and race of round 3.
Sprint races work in exactly the same way

Does that clarify it?, I did think about culmative ballast, but lets see how this goes first.

Team Championship.

Already brought to my attention and fixed a little, best two results from each teams drivers will count for the team championship.

Wildcard round

Good point, double points sounds better.

Just like to add, that the rules are open to adjustment before the first round, it's never easy to spot everything when you are working on rules on your own, so basically, if you see something that would be good to be adjusted, say, if I feel it's a good point, I'll adjust, if not, I won't

[P1lot]

Team Championship.
Already brought to my attention and fixed a little, best two results from each teams drivers will count for the team championship.

Still biased towards Adaptive Racing :p
Thanks for clarification on the other bits

[danowat]

You think?.

If people feel that way, we can drop the team champ all together, I just thought it would be nice to have something for the rest (that aren't aliens) to race for.

Basically, ANY team with 2 or more drivers in it can win the team champ, just because a team has more than 2 drivers, it doesn't mean they'll win, especially now SDI have two drivers entered...........

[P1lot]

Wouldn't you AD guys like to pair up and race for the team championship each?
I wouldn't have a problem with that cos each pair would have an equal chance as the rest of us. Two best scores from four racers is less fair I think.

Team Championship is a great idea, it will keep interest for more people and longer. Don't drop it, please

[danowat]

Wouldn't you AD guys like to pair up and race for the team championship each?
I wouldn't have a problem with that cos each pair would have an equal chance as the rest of us. Two best scores from four racers is less fair I think.

Team Championship is a great idea, it will keep interest for more people and longer. Don't drop it, please

Trouble is with that, you would have AR team 1, AR team 2, etc etc, there is more potential for having an AR dominated team championship than with a single "team".

[P1lot]

But my point is that they would have equal chance. What does anyone else think?

I don't want to force your hand. I'll respect whatever decision you make.

[BlueFlame]

I understand both your points, but I have to agree with Pilot in-that it seems to be gifting the AR drivers a bit more, they will get to win races due to the balast issues, whilst still be ahead of the slower guys but we should just let the rules take their course. If they aren't good. We will find out.

[Vain]

1. I don't really like the wildcard. It's a bit hit'n'miss. Either you are lucky and score an obscene amount of points or you get a disconnect and score no points - that would be up to a 50 points difference just decided by bad luck. I'd much rather like to see such random influences reduced (e.g. by allowing the worst result to be removed) than amplified.
I know that random championship-tables with wild position changes and unforseable development sounds good on paper, but it's the NASCAR-type of 'spectacular' - when are jumps and hoops of fire coming?
2. My opinion is that the points score of a team should be the average score of all team-drivers who attended the race.
Alternatively I'd support to have the team-score defined by the sum of the two lowest results of the team's drivers. In that case you *can* compete with 4 cars, but you run the risk of having two disconnects and scoring 0 points, even if the other two come in first and second. I like that because that way you think twice before entering in mass instead of class.
Generally more than 2 cars per team is bad because they reduces the number of competing teams.

Vain

[BlueFlame]

I like that Idea alot Vain, about the lowest 2 scorings of teh Teams. I think that will balance everything out, if there is more than 2 cars in a team. The Wildcard thing, i don't understand it, even when it has been explained. So to make it simple, I think just keep the Drivers points scorings PURE, no 'outside' additions, just simple : a better result = more points.

[danowat]

Wildcard round is going to be removed, I had hoped it would mix things up a bit, but I can just see it will cause more problems than good, so it's gone.

I am unsure what I am going to do with the team championship as of yet, but I am a little unhappy with people insinuating that it was introduced to give AR bias, that is simply not the case.

[Gaas]

Well i was driving OPS league and team championship points were made well. System was made that it takes points of 2 best positions of drivers in team...that work very well...and i dont see advantage for teams that have more than 2 drivers :/

[danowat]

Well i was driving OPS league and team championship points were made well. System was made that it takes points of 2 best positions of drivers in team...that work very well...and i dont see advantage for teams that have more than 2 drivers :/

That is what I intend to do.

[P1lot]

I was not insinuated that you introduced this method of team championship for advantage to AD. I know you are better than that.

Consider another aspect; The drivers championship has many from several teams competing. In theory there is more chance of a team having a driver with a good championship standing since they have more drivers participating. That is fine and the reward for supporting the series.
But those drivers don't get to race in more events than other drivers and discount the worst scores. See?

[danowat]

Look, bottom line, I can't please everyone, it's impossible to even try to do, you did say it was biased towards Adaptive, maybe it was meant tongue in cheek, but forums are notoriusly bad at getting these things across, so lets draw a line under that.

The fairest way I can see of doing a team championship is too take the teams two best results and use that, it's straight forward to manage, means that regardless of the team numbers no team has a number advantage.

That is how it is going to be, maybe if it doesnt work well, then for the RSSC3, I'll change it

[eraser_svk]

I got one question about the ballast - should not it be different for FZ5 and RAC ?

RAC weighs 800 kg and FZ5 1379 kg. So for example 45 kg in the trunk of the RAC will make it notably slower than FZ5 with 45 kg handycap - see, 845 kg RAC is 5,6 percent heavier, and 1424 kg FZ5 is "just" 3,2 percent heavier comparing to non-ballast total weight.
Well, I forgot to add driver and fuel weight :tilt: , but anyway, FZ5 is in-ballast-advantage. Well, it should be rather tested, real effect may (and it would be :) different.

[danowat]

FZ5 is already ballast affected :)

Also, the power to weight ratio of the RAC is MUCH better than the FZ5, (RAC is 311 bhp/ton, FZ5 is 265 bhp/ton).

So in theory, the RAC is in ballast advantage because it already has a much superior power to weight ratio.

[Hyperactive]

Look, bottom line, I can't please everyone, it's impossible to even try to do, you did say it was biased towards Adaptive, maybe it was meant tongue in cheek, but forums are notoriusly bad at getting these things across, so lets draw a line under that.

The fairest way I can see of doing a team championship is too take the teams two best results and use that, it's straight forward to manage, means that regardless of the team numbers no team has a number advantage.

That is how it is going to be, maybe if it doesnt work well, then for the RSSC3, I'll change it

Wouldn't it be easier to have people form 2 people teams with everyone they want to? Kinda what LXCC did, you have 2 drivers per team and reserves. The reserves could drive in the events as well but would not score points for the team, no matter how high they end up. The team would be for RSWC only, kinda like you and vain would form a team called "bunnies" and the gfresh and audimasta could be "reindeers!!!11". Or you could be simply AR1 and AR2.

This is not, after all, BOTT ;)

I ask you to consider this because the chances are there won't be many teams having more than one racer. And not so many teams competing for the team championship, or so it looks :)

[danowat]

I guess we'll just have to see how many teams there are.

TBH, I don't like that system, "fake" teams aren't that interesting IMO.

Lets see how many teams or two or more there are, and if there isn't enough to provide a decent setting for the team championship, we'll dump it.

[BlueFlame]

Can't we have an RAC FZ5 Manufacturer's Cup too? I would like to see a fight DIRECTLY between the cars on a whole. Although, it seems like for the WC there will be more FZ's than RA's.:shrug:

[danowat]

No, the rules are already complex enough ;)

[BlueFlame]

No, the rules are already complex enough ;)
Hardly complex is it? All the points from FZ5 drivers get added up, and all the points from RAC drivers get added up..:shrug:

[anttt69]

I like the addition of success ballast :). few questions though:

Can we drop our worst round?

Whats the ruling on DSC?
You have mentioned DNF & DSQ. I propose that if a driver gets disconnected during the race through no fault of his own. He should receive some points provided he has completed a certain percentage of the race. I always feel sorry for those who get disco'ed during a league race as it has happened to me in the past & I know how frustrating it can be :banghead:.

[danowat]

Yup, it's frustrating, but thems the breaks unfortunately, no points for DSC.

I personally don't like the "drop worse round" thing, IMO every round you race in, you race for points.

[BlueFlame]

I agree with Dan, part of racing has always been a bit of luck, and a bit of bad luck, so you can just treat your Disconnection as a 'technical' problem with the car, although when Damage is more implicated into LFS, I can see disconnections becoming even MORE frustrating..:shy:

[anttt69]

I personally don't like the "drop worse round" thing, IMO every round you race in, you race for points.

Just because you drop one of your rounds does'nt mean your not racing for points every round. Anyways it's your call :).

[BlackEye]

I personally don't like the "drop worse round" thing, IMO every round you race in, you race for points.

Quite true, but you need to consider there's bloody real life involved and mix up your plans for racing ;).
IMHO it's good to have "drop worse round" thing just if some emergency comes up, you still have a shot at podium finish at the and of the season.

[BlueFlame]

Can someone explain to me again this drop worst round thing?:shrug:

[danowat]

You drop your worse round, its as simple as it sounds, and I don't like it ;)

I do understand about real life, but Vain missed at least 3 events in RSSC2 and he still came 3rd overall LOL

[BlueFlame]

what Advantage does dropping a result give you ?:S i don't understand...

[danowat]

Means you can miss one event and not lose any points (in theory)

[Bean0]

The way I would prefer it to work is that you can only pick an event that you actually started as the one to discount.

This way it encourages people to attend every race, but basically covers everyone for 1 random disconnect or poor result throughout the season.

[BlueFlame]

Means you can miss one event and not lose any points (in theory)
I still don't get it.:shrug:
I don't... It's just confusing for nothing. If you miss an event, you shouldn't be able to score points anyway :shrug: I don't understand, if you drop your worst result, It just seems pointless to discard a result... Even if it is a DNF, you still get the same amount of points, or NO points, what is the point... Just added work for the organisers -1 tbh (and i still don't understand it anyway :D)

[BenjiMC]

I still don't get it.:shrug:
I don't... It's just confusing for nothing. If you miss an event, you shouldn't be able to score points anyway :shrug: I don't understand, if you drop your worst result, It just seems pointless to discard a result... Even if it is a DNF, you still get the same amount of points, or NO points, what is the point... Just added work for the organisers -1 tbh (and i still don't understand it anyway :D)

Because everybody else drops their worst round also.

[BlueFlame]

Because everybody else drops their worst round also.
Ok, but everyone dropping their worst result and everyone keeping it means the championship will stay the same either way.... you aren't going to change anything by doing it, other than cause more hassle.. It's just like saying "let all the athletes wear goggles..." Well, you're not going to change anything, because ALL the competitors have to do the same thing, so it still ends up, whoever the best competitor is, wins the championship..

[Hyperactive]

Ok, but everyone dropping their worst result and everyone keeping it means the championship will stay the same either way.... you aren't going to change anything by doing it, other than cause more hassle.. It's just like saying "let all the athletes wear goggles..." Well, you're not going to change anything, because ALL the competitors have to do the same thing, so it still ends up, whoever the best competitor is, wins the championship..

It is a good point what you are saying but you need to see the other side too:
It means that you can actually miss one race without actually losing any points. This encourages people to do the whole series because one dnf or dns does won't cost you positions in the final results. If you can do all races you get one chance more to try to get a good result.

[BlueFlame]

I don't totally understand, but I do understand more now.
I still think, if you are more dedicated to the championship, then you should be rewarded with points.. Of course, this means formost that Dan will be #1 for dedication but still without him we wouldn't have this I think and it isn't biassed, it means even crap people like me and Jack can get some extra points, points which are rewarding out dedication.:)

[jwardy]

I don't totally understand, but I do understand more now.
I still think, if you are more dedicated to the championship, then you should be rewarded with points.. Of course, this means formost that Dan will be #1 for dedication but still without him we wouldn't have this I think and it isn't biassed, it means even crap people like me and Jack can get some extra points, points which are rewarding out dedication.:)

[cough] hmmmm:D:D:D

[P1lot]

I've been in previous leagues where 2 worst rounds are dropped.
Most other races had to miss some events due to going on holiday or had disconnections. I showed up to all events (no disconnections) and my 2 worst scores where not counted. The other racers where not penalised for their zero scores, my embarrassing results where ignored, hehe.

Anyway, Dan has said no dropped rounds, so move along people :)

[spankmeyer]

Question!

Regarding yellow flag rules. Are they enforced automatically or does one need to post a complaint after race?

Example: There's a huge crash happening in front of a group of racers. All drivers ease off throttle and maintain their positions through the wreckage. Except one driver who blasts through full throttle and gains positions. If no complaints are raised after a race (it's been a friendly league :D), will the driver in question receive a penalty for clearly breaking the virtual safety rules?

I hope I managed to make myself clear. Off to sleep now! :)

[BlueFlame]

But there is a different between a yellow flag and a WAVED yellow flag.. Which LFS doesn't simulate.
I think we should implicate some kind of saftey rule based on how many cars creating the yellow flag are visible (to the approaching cars) and work something around that, you can always check a replay to see if the person DID see only 1 car or he saw 5. :shrug:

[jwardy]

but in fairness all the drivers in the rsc respect eachother so even if there was a pile up and everyone slowed , no one will come charging through , i havent seen it yet, and i hope not to see it

[danowat]

Via complaint only, I dont have the time to scrutineer each race afterwards.

In your example, if I see it, yes, they can a penalty, if there is a complaint raised, yes, they get a penalty

[BlueFlame]

Via complaint only, I dont have the time to scrutineer each race afterwards.

In your example, if I see it, yes, they can a penalty, if there is a complaint raised, yes, they get a penalty
Good call dan, efficient and lazy (i'm joking). I think alot of the times, it is a judgement call on who or why a person should be penalized.

[MijnWraak]

Im pretty sure conversion from gmt to EDT in us is 2:30 pm. not sure though. anyone want to clarify? :)

[BenjiMC]

is EDT EST? if so then it's UTC/GMT -5 making that 14:30 2:30 PM :thumb:

[MijnWraak]

O.o what about daylight savings? i think i said it was 2:30 in a different post before it changed, now its an hour back... ouch im actually confused whether it stays the same, goes back, or forward :shrug:

[BenjiMC]

It stays the same. with DST it would be 3:30 but UTC would still be 19:30 because it's not affected by DST

[danowat]

EDT is GMT -4, EST is GMT -5.

Therefore, while you are on daylight savings you will RACE at 1530, when you go back to EST, you will race at 1430.

Pretty sure thats right.

[bozo]

To be sure, go to http://www.lfs-league.com/ and select the 'Time zone help' option in the right hand menu, it'll give you the offset for your local time to GMT. :)

[Tobsen00]

Are we allowed to drive over the yellow pit-line?
I guess no, but want to clarify this.

Regards, Tobsen

[danowat]

Yes, you are not supposed to drive over the yellow line, it's a "soft" rule.

[BenjiMC]

Well, it's pretty tough to follow the yellow line on this track as it's pretty hard to spot and a bit close to the wall imo. maybe some leeway/guidelines?

[danowat]

Leeway is given, which is why I said it's a "soft" rule

[bozo]

Presumably the leeway will be greater on exit of the pits for the start of qualifying, but less so if anybody pits during the race - with the returning driver expected to keep as far the to right as possible, albeit allowing for some crossing of the yellow line due to the aforementioned issues.

[GFresh]

Yes, collisions with drivers exiting the pits may cause a problem at some point. I was practicing online earlier, i was just starting a hotlap, when someone exited the pits, he stayed right, but we collided. It was no-ones fault, you see them late because of the wall, and once you have committed to that first left hand curve (at least in the FZ50) there's no going back. Any corrections usually result in a slam into the right side barrier, or the guy coming out of the pits.

[danowat]

Just remember that the driver on the track has right of way over the driver coming out of the pits.

[BlueFlame]

I think this particular pit exit, should be carried on futher down the road, if you follow the pit exit EXACTLY, you have to turn left at the mouth of the pits, then eventually you go right- right up against the wall and then turn left, where the yellow lines disappear, but even then, this can only force you to turn left, as the fast oncoming cars will be on the left hand side of the track for the long right hander before the Sliproad. Just to warn anyone who may not be totally aware,

but the pit lane ENTRANCE is a RIGHT bastard too. You have to really get the car in tight on the final corner (hairpin) and even then, you have a fairly difficult corner to navigate, in the un-restricted part of the pit lane.

[danowat]

It's a reveresed track config, which is why the pit exit doesn't really work that well.

[P1lot]

The way I understand it; as long as the track is clear then you can cross the yellow line with caution.
If an incident occurs from crossing the line, then it is soley the fault of the driver leaving the pits.

[danowat]

The way I understand it; as long as the track is clear then you can cross the yellow line with caution.
If an incident occurs from crossing the line, then it is soley the fault of the driver leaving the pits.

In a nutshell Gav, yeah.

Lets be sensible, if someone crosses the line when no one is around, doesn't get an advantage by doing so, and doesn't infringe on anyone else, then nothing is going to happen.

However, if someone were to cross the line, and / or not give way to a "racing" driver on the track, then something will be done.

IMO, it's just common sense......

[BlueFlame]

If someone exiting the pits sees the track isn't clear and sticks inside the yellow pit exit lines, and there is still a collision, who's fault is it? I always get kinda jumpy when guys just finnished a pitstop, and i think i am gonna meet them at the end of the pit straight because lately, i have had bad experiences with the pitlane and other drivers. :D

[danowat]

Drivers on the track have right of way, it's up to the driver in the pits to avoid the driver on the track, not the other way round IMO.

[BlueFlame]

But with THIS track, the only way to avoid a collision on THIS pit exit (if you are the pitee) is to either speed up very fast and turn right as soon as possible, or slow down to a stop almost, and possibly to 0kph in some cases.

[danowat]

If you need to stop, then you need to stop.

TBH, I think you are worrying about it too much.

[BlueFlame]

I'm not worrying as such, but I am just giving clarity, that is all. If you are coming out of the pits, and the guy on the racetrack behind you is on the same lap, why not does HE still get the right of way? You have to stay to the pit lines, what more can you do?

[Bean0]

I'm not worrying as such, but I am just giving clarity, that is all. If you are coming out of the pits, and the guy on the racetrack behind you is on the same lap, why not does HE still get the right of way? You have to stay to the pit lines, what more can you do?

That's just the way it is, I'm pretty sure that normally at the end of the pitlane there is a blue light which means the same as the blue flag - Give Way To Approaching Faster traffic.

[bozo]

Chances are nobody will pit during the race. If they do, they'll probably come out onto a clear track as they'll lose a lot of time in the pitlane anyway. If there is a car approaching at the end of the straight, just let them past before committing yourself onto the track.

No pitting allowed in qualifying, so that'll be ok.

[jwardy]

put some cones there or somin

[Tobsen00]

put some cones there or somin
no need, wait where the yellow line ends.

[BlueFlame]

That's just the way it is, I'm pretty sure that normally at the end of the pitlane there is a blue light which means the same as the blue flag - Give Way To Approaching Faster traffic. Yea that is a good point

Chances are nobody will pit during the race. If they do, they'll probably come out onto a clear track as they'll lose a lot of time in the pitlane anyway. If there is a car approaching at the end of the straight, just let them past before committing yourself onto the track.

No pitting allowed in qualifying, so that'll be ok.
This is a very good point, but you can't always be sure you gonna be in clear air once you pit, as you probobly quite far behind due to damage.

[bozo]

I have a question concerning when qualification actually starts.

When your car first appears in the pit, there is a countdown until the qualification starts. What is the significance of that countdown?

I have always assumed that is the countdown after which the qualifying period starts, and as long as you are still within the pitlane until the countdown completes, then there is no harm in exiting the pit immediately.

[danowat]

The countdown is nothing IMO, you are permitted to start qualifying as soon as you are in the pit garage.

[BlueFlame]

I have a question concerning when qualification actually starts.

When your car first appears in the pit, there is a countdown until the qualification starts. What is the significance of that countdown?

I have always assumed that is the countdown after which the qualifying period starts, and as long as you are still within the pitlane until the countdown completes, then there is no harm in exiting the pit immediately.
The countdown doesn't mean jack as Dan says but I think it's a good suggestion cos one driver may start at the end of the pit and be able to get on track just as the countdown finnishes, not that he would really even be able to gain an extra lap from it though.. I think to keep people In the PITLANE at least ,until the countdown goes it sensible, as you seem to get a big group of drivers going out a.s.a.p some like myself who wait for 6-10 seconds before going, and others who go after THAT. So i'm sure it has occured that someone was able to go Full-throttle before the countdown ended or in other words; (was over the pitlane speed limit line).