Improve?

[Arrow.]

I have had a few complaints about the running of Battle Of The Teams
I hope to make your experience in BOTT as best as possible

So what needs to be improved and how?

[baSh0r]

Maybe make the server passworded 2 hours before the event. Else you will have that "non BOTT drivers" on it just 5 minutes before the quali starts.

Everything else worked well. When i find something else i will tell it.

[Rocabiliz]

maybe more qualifying servers.. it's very hard to make a clean lap during the qualifying because of the traffic :shrug:

[filipvdv]

no complaint, but just something i noticed yesterday

* no talking during position assignment for the race, makes the whole process a lot faster

We do this the same way in the rxc league, and it works perfectly

[Richard Torp]

Very confusing what server you should join before Q. I was told it didn`t matter..but it did.. :) Apparantley we should be on the same server as before Q in R1. So better information before the round.

I did make a complaint in R1.. nothing heard about the result of that.

Do not use the same PW again and again, because former participants joins the server because they know the pw.

If a driver from a participating team and he is not their BOTT racer, does join the server during Q and the race, the team should be penalized in some sort. It should ONLY be the 2 signed racer who should join a server.

Stick to the time schedule. It can be done if it was the right people on the servers from the start.

[Bawbag]

maybe more qualifying servers.. it's very hard to make a clean lap during the qualifying because of the traffic :shrug:


This is why I thought the server you qualified on would be in order of championship points, because especcially on last nights combo there were some people 5 seconds off the pace. Just is going to have more and more people being held up and more overtaking leading to more accidents.

Would also mean less travelling around between servers aswell, as most of the top teams will qualify for pool 1 and so on. :)

Btw, why not just make the password bottrace03 for event 3? Would make sense tbh. Also have them passworded 12 hours before the event (When you fux go to bed) Would save alot of hassle. :)

[speedway]

pretty much everything that bothers me was said already

- make the server private before the event starts
- admins should be there earlier to make sure to stick to the time schedule
- lag lap please...
- no spectators shouldnt mean "no spectators except..."

[jasonmatthews]

Yeah, agree with everything thats been said. Would be good to have server passworded well before event, and if anyone enters who shouldn't the team should be docked points. Also, I had no idea what server I was supposed to be in for qualy, and no one else did either. Also, if you change the password before event I guarantee it will be a shambles like round 1, as I never received the password at all, had to ask others for it...

I also think qualy is too hectic, 30 mins would be better IMO, and possibly spread to another server, so we could have less people in each. BTW, how are we supposed to know which server we should qualify in?

[speedway]

i always assumed this would also tell me which server i should qualify on http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=504144#post504144

about the passwords: sending them via pm on this forum to the team managers long before the event (2weeks left now :D...so you better hurry) sure means a little more work than sending a email with unlimited amount of receivers...but at least every team should know the password then....the problem with round1 was probably that a lot of guys didnt know they had to register on bott-website to get the password

[Richard Torp]

i always assumed this would also tell me which server i should qualify on http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=504144#post504144



Maybe you are right about it..but I didn`t read it in that way. I thought that thread was only for R1...

Better for me IF it was written "You must be on the same server for qualifying as you were in R1" or something like that... :thumb:

[danowat]

Better for me IF it was written "You must be on the same server for qualifying as you were in R1" or something like that... :thumb:

That does make sense, you qualfiy on the server you raced on in the last event.

[maczo]

Improve?

YES PLEASE!
Can we start at 20UTC sharp? The races already end around midnight here, so I'd appreciate it if we could at least start as early as possible.
So:

1. PWDed servers well before event
2. Passwords sent well before event
3. Admins on all servers 10+ minutes before event
4. Qualy starts at 20:00:00 UTC, if someone is late - it's their problem
(5.?) (Disabling or resetting the tracker at proper time)
(6.?) (Very good suggestion made above so I'll repost it: server sorting for quali according to positions in general standings)
(7.?) (Admins kick players that re-join the server after 50% of the race and go right into traffic, so that racers do not need to lose focus by clicking through kick/ban options instead of driving the goddamn car).

Thank you.

EDIT:
Oh, and could we please have the graphs in statistics? This is my favourite way to see what was going on at a glance.

[Richard Torp]

Get the website updated with information.

This is missing:

Tribunal Judges and Server Admins

Servers


Update this:

General Information

zOOm Gallery

[CELTIC100]

I do agree with Richard above as the BOTT Website itself seems to be under used at the present time - The Website should be our first port of call for Bott Issues not the LFS Forum.

[Arrow.]

no complaint, but just something i noticed yesterday

* no talking during position assignment for the race, makes the whole process a lot faster

We do this the same way in the rxc league, and it works perfectly
Yeah that would sure help *added to rules*

Very confusing what server you should join before Q. I was told it didn`t matter..but it did.. :) Apparantley we should be on the same server as before Q in R1. So better information before the round.

Its Stickied and all http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=28702
and here
http://battleoftheteams.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=52
"This will happen every round." Meaning it will be the same every round.

I did make a complaint in R1.. nothing heard about the result of that.
"You done everything right the problem is The website was down for a number of days where we were close to coming to a conclusion. The Website is back up and i have the result from the hearing."

Do not use the same PW again and again, because former participants joins the server because they know the pw.
A new password will be set for round 3 via LFS forum PM to team managers and a mass mail via the BOTT website.

Stick to the time schedule. It can be done if it was the right people on the servers from the start.
20:00 - 20:10 - Practice (waiting for people to join the server)
Qualifying will start on the dot regardless even if drivers are missing.

This is why I thought the server you qualified on would be in order of championship points, because especcially on last nights combo there were some people 5 seconds off the pace. Just is going to have more and more people being held up and more overtaking leading to more accidents.

Would also mean less travelling around between servers aswell, as most of the top teams will qualify for pool 1 and so on. :)

Btw, why not just make the password bottrace03 for event 3? Would make sense tbh. Also have them passworded 12 hours before the event (When you fux go to bed) Would save alot of hassle. :)
I setup the servers #2 and #3 before i went to bed which was 12pm.


- admins should be there earlier to make sure to stick to the time schedule
I was thinking that aswell. ill get up at 5:30 now.

- lag lap please.../quote]
We had requests for that last time so it will be added to the rules.

[quote=Richard Torp;546962]Maybe you are right about it..but I didn`t read it in that way. I thought that thread was only for R1...

Better for me IF it was written "You must be on the same server for qualifying as you were in R1" or something like that... :thumb:
"This will happen every round." as it says in the Grid sorting thread which is stickied at the top of the forum.

That does make sense, you qualfiy on the server you raced on in the last event.

Improve?
YES PLEASE!
Can we start at 20UTC sharp? The races already end around midnight here, so I'd appreciate it if we could at least start as early as possible.
Qualifying Starts at 20:10UTC

Get the website updated with information.

This is missing:

Tribunal Judges and Server Admins

Servers


Update this:

General Information

zOOm Gallery
Tribunal Judges and Server Admins: Done
Servers: Done
zOOm Gallery: there is a problem at the hosting end with up not being able to upload files. ive sent many emails and msgs hopefully this will be fixed.

In Conclusion
I think half of the problem is some people are not reading the threads properly and therefore asking questions which then confuses everyone.
I will work on these things above :thumb:

[Richard Torp]

I thought that this: ""This will happen every round." as it says in the Grid sorting thread which is stickied at the top of the forum

was about the tracker situation. After qualifying, go to the tracker and look at what server you are on for the race.

Now i know better, thx.. :)

I only asks because i`m not sure about it. I want to be sure. I want that i understands everything. In the preview race there was confusing about PW and there was some who didn`t race because of the confusing if i remember correct.. so it`s better to ask.. Write it in danish and i will not ask about anything.. :D

[Arrow.]

I thought that this: ""This will happen every round." as it says in the Grid sorting thread which is stickied at the top of the forum

was about the tracker situation. After qualifying, go to the tracker and look at what server you are on for the race.

Now i know better, thx.. :)

I only asks because i`m not sure about it. I want to be sure. I want that i understands everything. In the preview race there was confusing about PW and there was some who didn`t race because of the confusing if i remember correct.. so it`s better to ask.. Write it in danish and i will not ask about anything.. :D

Yes thats no problem. :thumb:
as long as the read it fully THEN ask a question if you do not understand or confused.
Different Languages doesnt help either :)

[StableX]

I do agree with Richard above as the BOTT Website itself seems to be under used at the present time - The Website should be our first port of call for Bott Issues not the LFS Forum.

100% agree..... race in BOTT, check the BOTT site first! Excellent job running things on the whole and a lot of effort put in. It shows - thanks :)

[Arrow.]

100% agree..... race in BOTT, check the BOTT site first! Excellent job running things on the whole and a lot of effort put in. It shows - thanks :)

Thanks mate :thumb:
I just need to work on improving a few things...

[banshee56]

I agree about the addition of the lag lap and enforcement of the "ro rejoin" and "No chatting" thing.

[KR]NOFEAR on server 2 lagged out within the first lap, only to reconnect and return to the race right in front of the leaders. He gave room to pass, which was good (if you can call it that). This was happening while he was arguing with PaulC2K about how it isn't fair that he cannot rejoin after practicing all day (that's all he prepared was "all day"?). About 8 chat messages later, he finally was told to argue elsewhere, and any more messages will get him kicked.

You lose connection...sorry, your race is over. Come back and rejoin in front of the leaders, that's CANNOT be allowed, not can it be left without disciplinary action. Arguing while a race is going on should result in instant kick. Coming back should be 12-hour ban.

[CELTIC100]

If any of you watch the replay infact both members of [KR] rejoined the server and this was 30 minutes after the argument took place with the admin.

[PaulC2K]

The whole [KR] team was pretty 'impressive' the whole day, thankfully NoFear did move over when the lead cars were coming behind him, i was pretty sure that re-joining the track from the garage for whatever reason wasnt allowed, and double checked this was the case with arrow and while i'd agree its harsh and unfair on someone who's spent hours or days practicing, the fact of the matter was that the rules state he couldnt rejoin, they're instantly classed as a mechanical failure or whatever, and their days racing is over as it would be IRL. Its a shame it has to be done, especially as in this case it was on the opening lap, but if you allow it on the opening lap then you have to allow it on the last, and thats not right. It shouldnt have took as much 'chatter' as it did, I tried to keep it short and accurate, i dont think there was much more than maybe 3 messages from myself, but still i appologise if it was a further cause for distraction to those racing.

As for the mid-race antics, i didnt have any objection (and tbh im not sure on the official line) to anyone coming back and spectating, however I intentionally kept the chat history on-screen for quite a while to be aware of a 'Jica82 has left the pits' message but it wasnt until his teammate returned and IIRC asked something along the lines of 'whats happening' and thats when i checked the history and spotted he'd left the pits at some time. At the time i happened to be following the mid-field scrap (18th-23rd roughly) as it had been quite close and seemed the most likely location for any incidents, and before i knew anything theres Jica82 getting in the way of the people just coming to pass him.
I spent too long d**king about trying to /ban (im thick, i wasnt aware i could just click 'ban', assumed it would just bring up a vote and i didnt want to disrupt any further than was already going on) and thankfully everyone managed to boot him, and NoFear out.
Again, my appologies for not spotted his 'left the pits' message, i dont know if i was distracted by something else or the (fairly) frequent pitting that was going on anyway, and also the fact that i was effectively feck all use getting the guy out.
I spoke to Arrow at the time both had been kicked out, and requested their removal from the series due to the actions and attitudes of both drivers, its their responsibility to check the rules and they broke them on multiple occasions each. I actually dug through the applications and ironically i'd actually posted after their ([KR]) application stating that IMO an unknown 3-man team isnt acceptable for this series, mainly on the basis of too few drivers, how wrong was I, the less the better it seems!

Incidently, one of the KR guys thought it'd be a good idea after being banned from server #2 to go join server #1! Thankfully Arrow acted quicker than myself, god knows what his intentions would have been.

[[DUcK]]

nubs :D

[CELTIC100]

Incidently, one of the KR guys thought it'd be a good idea after being banned from server #2 to go join server #1! Thankfully Arrow acted quicker than myself, god knows what his intentions would have been.

I was unaware of this as thats just crazy and a reason on it's own to issue a report to the LFS Barricade :shrug: :(

PaulC2K NP with you mate considering the circumstances you did a good job but an extra eye in the back of your head would come in handy :thumb:

[danowat]

Doesn't sound good, luckily I had messages blocked and didn't see any of the text, but I saw it from the chat log from LFS Stats, IMO, they should be struck from BOTT.

[csurdongulos]

they were ramming people off the track during practice as well. Not spectacularly, but by outbraking themselves.

[Arrow.]

Its being discussed dont worry

[germanpio]

- admins should be there earlier to make sure to stick to the time schedule
- lag lap please...

Laglap destroys the whole schedule. If someone is doing a jumpstart and goes to spectate mode you can go back to the connection screen and reorder everything again.

Generally speaking a laglap isn't necessary anymore since Patch W in any lfs league!

[horrgakx]

Well done with the changes. My pet hate is rubbish banter going on when picking the grid.

And it SHOULD be that if someone is late or they lag-out then the race continues. Sorry, its harsh but fairer to everyone (lag-outs has happened to me twice in other leagues and I understand that it is fair).

Can anyone explain the exact reason and benefit from a lag-lap? Oh, and I'd still like to see improvement in discipline on the lag lap and not use it like an excuse to play bumper-cars.

[PaulC2K]

Actually, on the subject of no chit-chat during grid ordering, what i'd find most helpful from an admin's point of view is if people could look where they've qualified, and know the names of the 2 drivers ahead of them, i'd say maybe 20-25% of the people are helpful and add themselves before i've had chance to spot their name on the list to tell them to join, and if a couple more people knew when their name would be coming up it would certainly speed things up as its a really frustraiting and dull part that could easily be speeded up with a little help from the drivers. I know everyone has other things going through their mind at the time, but it'd certainly help if people we're able to do this.

I was unaware of this as thats just crazy and a reason on it's own to issue a report to the LFS Barricade :shrug: :(

PaulC2K NP with you mate considering the circumstances you did a good job but an extra eye in the back of your head would come in handy :thumb:
I'm booked in for an eye transplant on the Friday before the race, i say Friday as it gives me the chance to use 'i was still a bit drugged up' as an excuse if anything else goes wrong ;):D

[banshee56]

Can anyone explain the exact reason and benefit from a lag-lap? Oh, and I'd still like to see improvement in discipline on the lag lap and not use it like an excuse to play bumper-cars.

I think the name "lag-lap" is more historical than it is descriptive. Since Patch W, the start lag has seemed to diminish. However, the benefits of these "lag-laps" are still there in that they serve to give everyone a chance to experience a race start with the people they are racing with on that day, and make adjustments in strategy. Yeah, I know it's not realistic, but neither are the cars nor the tracks we run on, so how does it hurt the quality of racing?

I agree that the discipline shown by many drivers on lag-laps is not what you want in a real race, but I can't see penalizing someone for incidents on lag laps.

[Bawbag]

Lag laps are entirely nessisery IMO considering we now have over 30 cars in the field. I still see in this patch when going from the end screen to the race my screen freezes along with anyone else and when it finally comes back we're all sitting on the grid while the green light has been and gone.

Also is alot harder for those people with less powerfull machines to load everything at once, my pc still stuggles a bit and it's quite decent.

I still think it would make things 100 times easier for each team to qualify on the server they raced in for the previous round, easy to remember and will mean less people jumping servers. :thumb:

[jasonmatthews]

what he said :)

[alland44]

I find it odd, that you call it "tribunal hearing".

In an hearing, BOTH PARTIES, are heard :) So drop the hearing Please :)

[Arrow.]

Lag laps are entirely nessisery IMO considering we now have over 30 cars in the field. I still see in this patch when going from the end screen to the race my screen freezes along with anyone else and when it finally comes back we're all sitting on the grid while the green light has been and gone.

Also is alot harder for those people with less powerfull machines to load everything at once, my pc still stuggles a bit and it's quite decent.

I still think it would make things 100 times easier for each team to qualify on the server they raced in for the previous round, easy to remember and will mean less people jumping servers. :thumb:

Ok. if Lag laps prevents these types of things happening and skin downloading? we can introduce lag laps for the rest of the season
How long do they need to go for?
few corners, half lap, full lap?

[Arrow.]

I find it odd, that you call it "tribunal hearing".

In an hearing, BOTH PARTIES, are heard :) So drop the hearing Please :)

Done. Renamed to Tribunal Results.

[Jonesy_]

Ok. if Lag laps prevents these types of things happening and skin downloading? we can introduce lag laps for the rest of the season
How long do they need to go for?
few corners, half lap, full lap?

Say driving like the last car (which didnt get rammed or rammed itself) gets to the first split.

However there is the downside that if you do a falsestart and move too much you are being sent to sepctators and once the race restarts you're put back of the grid.

But then, if you need to be stupid enough to do that, you kinda deserve the last place from the grid. imo :tilt:

[BigTime]

Ok. if Lag laps prevents these types of things happening and skin downloading? we can introduce lag laps for the rest of the season
How long do they need to go for?
few corners, half lap, full lap?

From my experience with lag laps we always did one full lap, when the leader got to the line we restarted. If it's a long track then you may not want to wait but I would at least give it a minute, minimum.

[Arrow.]

What about Qualifying Servers

Should we make it where the team raced is the server they qualify on?
but what happens if they got split into Div 1 and Div 2?
What if we qualified on in order of Championship points?

[Jonesy_]

I'd go with the championship points.
Sounds really the easiest and most simple way to get it organised without room for misunderstandings.

[RevengeR]

What about Qualifying Servers

Should we make it where the team raced is the server they qualify on?
but what happens if they got split into Div 1 and Div 2?
What if we qualified on in order of Championship points?
Well, most racers usually qualify themselves to the server they raced on, so there will be much less traffic between the pools when qual ends. There will still be movement, but much less, so race can start earlier and stuff.
So id say each team qualify on servers they raced on prrevious race. And when the too racers of the team were racing on different servers, just decide whos going where. Simple, fast, less work for racers, and admins as well :D

[maczo]

Well, simpler would be both team memebers qualifying on the server according to their championship standing.

Besides, you know that there are some Blackwood specialists, or Aston specialists etc. that might race on server1 and the next round on server3. General standings IMO are a better indication of where people belong :nod:

Edit: Oh, and if different drivers race in different rounds, it will make things more complicated.

[StableX]

Breaking News::: ADMIN of the BOTT series, PAUL, has come out of Eye surgery and is now ready to admin once again for the BOTT league. His happy face can be seen in my avatar!!!!

As you will notice, the eyes have moved to the back of his head :)

[sidi]

Edit: Oh, and if different drivers race in different rounds, it will make things more complicated.

So your against changing drivers for each round?

Personally i think teams should use as many drivers as they poss can for afew reasons,it's good for team moral getting everyone involved and the name BOTT kind of says it all.



Breaking News::: ADMIN of the BOTT series, PAUL, has come out of Eye surgery and is now ready to admin once again for the BOTT league. His happy face can be seen in my avatar!!!!

As you will notice, the eyes have moved to the back of his head :)


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[RevengeR]

Well, simpler would be both team memebers qualifying on the server according to their championship standing.

Besides, you know that there are some Blackwood specialists, or Aston specialists etc. that might race on server1 and the next round on server3. General standings IMO are a better indication of where people belong :nod:

Edit: Oh, and if different drivers race in different rounds, it will make things more complicated.
Almost the same as my opinion. Still, if someone is a bl specialist, and is in a team thats like no. 40 according to the championship points, at blackwood he will probably make it to pool 1, but at so he might get stuck in pool 3. So theres no perfect formula for sorting the qual spots.

[maczo]

So your against changing drivers for each round?
No, quite the opposite.
That was my argument against placing drivers individually on servers they had been racing on in previous rounds. If drivers change between rounds, then there might be confusion as to which one replaces which of the previous ones and why etc. Just my 2 cents.

[Arrow.]

- passworded 2 hours before the event.
servers will be passworded before i go to bed

-no talking during position assignment for the race
added to rules

- lag lap please
There will now be a lag lap for the rest of the season.

- no spectators
only spectators allowed will be ASR TV broadcasters

- Passwords sent well before event
passwords will be sent to team managers and some drivers over weekend

- Admins on all servers 10+ minutes before event
i will wake up at 5:30 and present on the server atleast 20mins prior to 10min practise.

- Disabling or resetting the tracker at proper time
only needs to be done just before Qualifying starts-

- Website General Information
Will be updated over weekend

zOOm Gallery
banni is fixing the problem

[StableX]

thanks Arrow....

I have said it before but I feel its good to say again. Thanks for all the hardwork in making this a fun league to play in. It's my first LFS event and I'm impressed with the way its done and listening to drivers to improve it......

thanks again.

[Arrow.]

thanks Arrow....

I have said it before but I feel its good to say again. Thanks for all the hardwork in making this a fun league to play in. It's my first LFS event and I'm impressed with the way its done and listening to drivers to improve it......

thanks again.

Thanks for the kind words Stable and the nice racing before :nod:
Have fun and enjoy yourself :thumb:.

So does every agree to qualify as per Championship points order?

[Rocabiliz]

Thanks for the kind words Stable and the nice racing before :nod:
Have fun and enjoy yourself :thumb:.

So does every agree to qualify as per Championship points order?
I do... but if you're gonna follow that, please announce it properly and make grid sortings for every round

[Droemel]

So does every agree to qualify as per Championship points order?
Does that mean the championship points determine the server for qualy only and not for race? For the race it's still decided by qualyfication-time I hope.

If this is so, I say yes. :thumb:

[speedway]

i would like to see subsections in this forum for race1/race2 and so on

all the threads with pre-/during-/ post-race discussion,broadcasts, qualify results, race reports etc definitely make the forum loose its clearity

[Arrow.]

i would like to see subsections in this forum for race1/race2 and so on

all the threads with pre-/during-/ post-race discussion,broadcasts, qualify results, race reports etc definitely make the forum loose its clearity

Ok, what about these subforums?
- Pre Season
- Round 1
- Round 2
- Round 3
- Round 4
- Round 5
- Round 6
- Round 7
- Round 8

Any others needed?

[PaulC2K]

You cant create sub forums for every single round, thats crazy!
I agree its a bloody mess, but what it needs is better organisation of threads, stickies and general, it makes the forum look a mess and unorganised.

Sticky: User Bars [additional information]
Sticky: BOTT Entries Open
Sticky: Important Updates/News
Sticky: Qualifying Servers/Precedure [Series Rules & Race Details]
Sticky: Rules [Series Rules & Race Details]
Sticky: Championship Points [Series Rules & Race Details]
Sticky: Website [additional information]
Sticky: Tribunal System [Series Rules & Race Details]
Sticky: Battle Of The Teams: Information [Series Rules & Race Details]
Sticky: Time Table [Series Rules & Race Details]
Sticky: Offical Sponsors [additional information]


Thats now 4 threads, Basically most of those threads are things that should be placed in the 'BOTT - Information' thread that already exists, the points system, qualifying system & timetable are all information about the rules, create a thread, lock it, and put concrete series information in there displayed in a manner thats clear and people will find it just fine.

Userbars, Website & Sponsors arent rules or important must read info, they're extra information that people might be interested in, but they dont really need to take up 3 rows.

Important updates/News is understandable, and the Entries thread i can understand, one is there to ensure everyone is informed of important changes, the other is/was there to sign up to the series. So for as long as these threads are valid/needed then they should be sticky. Really the 'important news' thread already helps keep the place tidy so you can make the announcements in there rather than a new sticky, so most things needing to be stickied probably could fit into this catagory anyway. About the only thread i can think of which i dont think we have which might be a good idea is a 'Standings' thread, but that could be found in updates (a bit odd) or the last rounds information. Otherwise i think those 4 (or 5) threads could cover pretty much all your important information.

If there are things that someone might need to contact you about regarding something in a locked sticky, they can PM you, or you can create an open thread and link to it, it'll bob about in the threads but if nobody needs to chat about it then it'd disappear pretty quickly but the important information about it stays at the top in the sticky and the public comments can always be found via the sticky's link.



The for the individual rounds, have a locked thread for your posting, a public thread for chit chat before, during & after, and a thread for confirming your teams participation etc.
The private one you post any info you want to people to know before the round (ie no cutting grass at corner X), the qualifying order for that round, the race results and the race & qual replays etc.
The public one you just leave people to yap away like women. The confirmation one being what it currently is.

Thats 4 sticky threads neatly organising the information for everyones convenience instead of it being scattered over 11 stickies, and 3 threads for each round. Thats 28 threads for a whole season, rather than the ~28 we've had for 3 races.
The problem with forums, and this one is a perfect example of it, is that people cant be arsed looking for information and will typically just ask anyway, theres no getting around that fact, but if you organise everything neatly and make it clear and presentable then those that will make an effort to look will find it.

[Arrow.]

Sounds good Paul,

Ill get on top of it tomorrow :nod:

[baSh0r]

good Improvements arrow :) :thumb:

[Michel 4AGE]

Good work on the improvements Arrow :thumb:
Things were much better last round.

[Arrow.]

good Improvements arrow :) :thumb:

Good work on the improvements Arrow :thumb:
Things were much better last round.

Thanks guys maybe because i wasn't there last round :tilt:
Thanks Paul for the Forum suggestion.

Anything else?
Website will be getting a make over shortly

[PaulC2K]

lol, we did have things timed pretty sweetly, and if it wasnt for Rev starting the qual a few minutes early without us knowing it (he started when everyone was there around 8:05utc) would have been a couple minutes quicker but overall it was pretty much correct to the minute. Rev had to stop, end the qual, then reset the qualy tracker so all the times were wiped from their qual and most peoples practicing the last 30min, and then let qualy get underway, but it only caused a little confusion rather than any real problems.
It also helped that we had rooble, pecker and myself in TS going over anything that was needed and Rev was on MSN on the other screen so everything was easy to reply to straight away, good communication to keep things quick and on schedule.

[Richard Torp]

The count down on the site is wrong..

Round 3 in progress


13 days 21 hours 17 minutes and 13 seconds

[zeugnimod]

Now that's an endurance race. :D

[Richard Torp]

Now that's an endurance race. :D

It`s getting even longer every minute - this is the latest






14 days 0 hours 13 minutes and 14 seconds

[arco]

Fixed!

A little late, sorry for that. :shy:

[Bawbag]

Maybe just use 1 password or 1 combination of passwords to which people wont spend hours trying to find out what the damn thing is. :x

[PaulC2K]

the problem is ensuring only the teams the series wants to be there have the pw, after round 2, 2 people completely disregarded the rules, one of them deciding to start visiting other servers having been banned from the one he'd earlier qualified from. If you kept with the same pw or changed 1 digit of it then it'd be obvious what the pw would be and those morons could try and turn up to a party they're not invited. If your not on the list, your not coming in ;)

[RevengeR]

2 suggestions:

#1: Lag lap is not a damn HOTLAP. Its a slow outlap, having around 50% throttle. We dont want anymore crash compilations in T1.
If admins say theres another lag lap, deal with it, and dont be like OMG WTF.

#2: If an admin says something, do it what he says, and dont start arguing. If admin restarts, he has a reason for it. Not seeing instructions cause of blocking msg isnt an excuse.
DONT BLOCK MSG UNTIL RACE REALLY STARTS.

Next time we will give DT penalties for these stuff, so try to master them.

[rcpilot]

2 suggestions:

#1: Lag lap is not a damn HOTLAP. Its a slow outlap, having around 50% throttle. We dont want anymore crash compilations in T1.
If admins say theres another lag lap, deal with it, and dont be like OMG WTF.

#2: If an admin says something, do it what he says, and dont start arguing. If admin restarts, he has a reason for it. Not seeing instructions cause of blocking msg isnt an excuse.
DONT BLOCK MSG UNTIL RACE REALLY STARTS.

Next time we will give DT penalties for these stuff, so try to master them.
In LOTA we treat the lag lap as a hot lap, get everyone's stupid moves out of the way/give people an idea of what t1 will really be like, and it's almost always a mess. But when we get to the actual start it tends to be pretty clean. Dunno what server you were on, but server 1 was a complete mess on the lag lap (back 1/3 of the field got taken out before the first corner, another 1/4 or so got taken out around the end of the 1st sector), but afaik the actual start went pretty well.

[Jonesy_]

Apart from someone getting punted out of the track pounds, sending him to the last place for the race start.

[rcpilot]

Apart from someone getting punted out of the track pounds, sending him to the last place for the race start.
Bit surprised at how frequent that was, I don't think we've had that happen once.

[PwrSlave]

Apart from someone getting punted out of the track pounds, sending him to the last place for the race start.

Yes, i want to know what are you going to do with this, because last night i got the impression that nobody could care less about that situation, where bawbag got put on the tail of the grid, then beeing involved in a huge crash on lap 3 bcz of the ambition to get to front real fast, taking some people race to an end before it even started. I thought that the grid was to be remade, and even more so if i take it serious that 3 guys had to be properly positioned, and replays were checked to see who made the time first and what not.

[Bawbag]

Well, if anything it was my fault for tarding around on the lag lap, but there was 3 or 4 of us upsdie down on the S/F and someone obviously thought it would be fun to plough through us.

I said on the server that it had happend to see if anything was done and I just figured the rule was "tough shit" if you lose your position. :shrug:

And for the crash, I watched it a couple of times and how can you say it was my ambition that caused it? That would be the case if I was the one trying to overtake someone else in a place where dives really are only going to go one way. I was racing the guy ahead and was side by side for the corners before, so I really didn't expect to have someone on my inside into that right hander. :( Really though the main crash was caused by lag, I noticed alot of lag throughout the whole race and it was no surprise some people were taken out by it.

[dodo.ger]

:x

sorry again for that bawbag, totally my fault. i normally wouldnt have tried that move, but i thought you had seen me and i could do it with you. :D

ruined my race with that though, i hope not one of somebody else too...

[PwrSlave]

Well, if anything it was my fault for tarding around on the lag lap, but there was 3 or 4 of us upsdie down on the S/F and someone obviously thought it would be fun to plough through us.

I said on the server that it had happend to see if anything was done and I just figured the rule was "tough shit" if you lose your position. :shrug:

And for the crash, I watched it a couple of times and how can you say it was my ambition that caused it? That would be the case if I was the one trying to overtake someone else in a place where dives really are only going to go one way. I was racing the guy ahead and was side by side for the corners before, so I really didn't expect to have someone on my inside into that right hander. :( Really though the main crash was caused by lag, I noticed alot of lag throughout the whole race and it was no surprise some people were taken out by it.

I didnt say its ur fault for that incident m8, im just saying that something could be said in tha moment u went on back of the grid, even race stopped and then restarted 1 min later, if it were for you to start last.

[Bawbag]

Sorry for the defensive post then, the way I read it made it look like you meant my eagerness to gain many places caused that accident. :thumb:

I didn't know the rules on it and I can remember the thing about the race not being restarted, however I pointed it out and for some daft reason even Misko point it out (Maybe he wanted me on his behind? :D)

Whetever the reasons I can't really complain as it made an extremely energetic and testing race. :thumbsup:

[Arrow.]

After round 5.

improvements
- Lag Lap: Everyone took it more careful, definitely a improvement.
- Running to schedule: Qualifying started on time, took little to long to grid up (few minutes over time).

Needs to Improve
- Drivers being a bit more careful on the first few laps, less contact.
the evident of this reckless driving from some people is the 6 complaints the tribunal judges have received and are working hard to penalise those people.

[Oliv76000]

Why don't we use the Mark's Grid Order Mod for the start grid of the BOTT (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=33293)?
i don't test it, it's just a suggestion.

[Arrow.]

Why don't we use the Mark's Grid Order Mod for the start grid of the BOTT (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=33293)?
i don't test it, it's just a suggestion.

yeah i seen that definity something to look into before round 7