Worrying Trend

[Mazz4200]

Last night, having just finished a race, i cruised round a couple of corners and parked, way of the track on the grass.
When some jerk, rammed into me at full speed, and my wheel went nuts.
The next race started straight after that, so i didnt get a chance to see who it was. At the start of the next race the wheel switched itself off just before the first corner, and of course i got the blame for crashing into everyone.

Thing is, my wheel just aint been the same since.

This is the first time someone's done to this to me, but i've seen it happen to plenty of other folk (some guys drive the wrong way round the track, just so they can hit someone).

This just aint on guys.

Is there anyway to instantly ban these jerks without getting a majority vote ?

BTW, If i ever find out who the Twat was who hit me, you'll be getting a bill for a brand new DFP, cheers fella !!

[P5YcHoM4N]

Gah, that can happen? D:
I don't think I'll be racing online in publics much then, as if my wheel dies I can't afford to replace it.

Just an idea, but if it was online, it'd probably be in your online stats, you could then ask people who was in that server if they have any replays with the crash.

:shrug: Just an idea.

[DratsaB]

Banning some one for crashing into you after the race is over? Thats a bit harsh if you ask me. Theres no problem in crashing into other people after a race is over, it can be quite fun actualy:).
I wouldnt ram some one who looked like they where driving proper laps (they might have just joined and be warming up for next race), but you say you were parked, so you were fair game :)

Its just bad luck your wheel may have suffered problems from the violent forces. Perhaps turn down the FFB?

[Gabkicks]

i dont like it when people ram after a race has ended but it's so common. its been like that since the beginning of lfs so unless the devs say something its gonna stay like that :scratchch

[Vendetta]

I hate it when people do this! Ill be resting my chin on the wheel and some twat will hit me and my chin will hurt :x. Now i just spectate after every race and join back in when people start voting to restart.

[DodgeRacer]

I find it hard to belive the force feedback the wheel creates can actually damage it, i have a logitech as well and i have it cranked to 200% and have gone way past its force maximum (felt it slip) and its never messed up, however i have been hit right before a race restart and it nocks it out of calibration, once i recalibrated all was fixed.

if it did actually happen, the odds of that happening have to be a million to one man...but it doesnt seem to add up, they wouldnt create a wheel that the force feedback could destroy itself...

it is on the other hand VERY annoying with immature people do that, but there isnt much we can do about it besides go to pit road after the race.

[Renku]

Crashing into someone who is standing off track and isn't waiting for getting smashed - it is NOT fun. I'd ban those jerks (who deliberately ram other drivers who isn't expecting it) without warning!
It's all different story, when there is Destruction Derby or smth going on and everybody is aware of that.
There should be a thread in RSC about the same topic..

[L(Oo)ney]

They wouldnt create a wheel that the force feedback could destroy itself...

Please remember that this is a logitech product you are talking about. :razz:

[Ardent]

Ill be resting my chin on the wheel

well, that sounds weird, if I knew that someone is doing that, I would ram him for sure, just for the fun of it :razz:

Anyway, wheels are not supposed to take damage from force feedback effects and I can't imagin that it did. Maybe it just got a bit soft because of a long play session, that's what happens to my wheel when I play for a longer time. The resistance and ff effects become softer, when I let it rest for a while, its all normal again. Maybe try that.

[Mazz4200]

Banning some one for crashing into you after the race is over? Thats a bit harsh if you ask me. Theres no problem in crashing into other people after a race is over, it can be quite fun actualy:).
I wouldnt ram some one who looked like they where driving proper laps (they might have just joined and be warming up for next race), but you say you were parked, so you were fair game :)

Its just bad luck your wheel may have suffered problems from the violent forces. Perhaps turn down the FFB?

Fair Game, FAIR GAME !!!

Are you for real ?

I'd just won a clean race, set a PB, and was waiting for next race to start, minding my own business.

OH, i guess its my fault i'm using FF, guess it's my fault, i'm racing online.

Listen Man, if thats your thing, then perhaps you'd better stick to Burnout (or grow up)

Dodgeracer,
During the next few race's it went really notchy to the left, when driving in a straight line, it was kinda like there was a hole there that it kept falling into.
Hopefully, it'll be ok after a rest, and a recal, coz i cant afford to replace it.

Cheers guys, seems i'm not the only one who finds this sort of thing out of order.

[B2B@300]

Yep please leave that behaviour behind in demo mode :pillepall I go online in S2 to escape that sort of attitude.. Racing servers are for racing, join a contact server for smashing :razz: there's a time and place for everything...
BTW does anyone play Cops an Robbers anymore? haven't seen it played since S1 days.. its a contact sport with skill :p

[Theafro]

there's no need to be a drama queen, if somebody shunts after the race, it's not exactly the end of the world and not as if it was intended to ruin you're race or damage you're wheel.

this 'worrying trend' as you put it, has been going on since LFS has existed, i've NEVER seen a problem with it. as long as it's with peeps you know wont throw a wobbler over it :)

If you're afraid of breaking you're wheel turn the FF down to sensible levels, or get off the road entierly

I M H O:D

[B2B@300]

Mm true, but in what way are we simulating racing when we do this :razz: although if the smash repair bills weren't so high I'm sure some real life drivers would do the same :D especially if someone had taken them out with some dumb ass high risk manouver LOL

[DratsaB]

.... are you guys for real?

He's is talking about when the race is over right?

Its not some thing i do often, mostly i only do it if some one rams me on purpose after a race, just messing about. I dont purposely try to take people out after a race (as i said earlier, they may be trying to warm up before the next race). I also really dont care when other people do it to me, as long as im not warming up.

sheesh..whats the point in having a damage engine if you never get to see the cars wrecked... (joking)


I just dont see whats so bad about someone smashing into a parked car after a race.

If it really, really annoys a lot of people i would make a point not to do it. But I find it kind of odd that such a big fuss is being made about it.. :shrug:

Edit: thanks for the backup Theafro, i was feeling a bit out in the cold. :) I guess LFS is not for the "Light Hearted" lol

[Blowtus]

I'd suggest a poll might be a good idea. Personally I don't have any problem at all with it, sometimes it's useful to let a bit of steam out. Usually I'll do it with a bit of circle work, but it doesn't seem at all odd or wrong that people crash after the race to me. It's hardly a vindictive "I'm going to stuff this guys DFP" thing...

[Rotary]

there's no need to be a drama queen, if somebody shunts after the race, it's not exactly the end of the world and not as if it was intended to ruin you're race or damage you're wheel.

this 'worrying trend' as you put it, has been going on since LFS has existed, i've NEVER seen a problem with it. as long as it's with peeps you know wont throw a wobbler over it :)

If you're afraid of breaking you're wheel turn the FF down to sensible levels, or get off the road entierly

I M H O:D

:iagree: well said :D :thumb:

[X-Ter]

Ramming into other drivers on purpose is chilish and just not fun. Those who find amusement in that sort of behaviour doesn't belong on a track, be it real or simulated.
I try my best to "live the simulation". After a race I like to cool down and bring my car back to the pits, like in real life. Getting hit during that lap is just as irritating as being hit during the race.

[speedfreak227]

I find it hard to belive the force feedback the wheel creates can actually damage it,

i had the ORIGINAL wingamn formula force. it lasted for YEARS. every time i booted up my computer though it would CRASH to each extreeme, far left, then far right. eventually from the shock loads the steel cables inside snapped.

any repeated shock load can cause stress build ups which will eventually cause a failure. (almost finished my materials engineering degree. could go into much more depth if anyone wanted)

and resting your chin on the wheel puts a load on the internal bearings that they were not meant to take. DON'T DO IT.

i agree it's a pain when people nail you after the race just because you're a target and it's not interfering with the race.

speedfreak227

[skiingman]

any repeated shock load can cause stress build ups which will eventually cause a failure. (almost finished my materials engineering degree. could go into much more depth if anyone wanted)

Materials engineering, neat.

Would it be fair to say that when designing a force feedback wheel, you should design it so that the largest forces anticipated from either users or the motors will not stress/strain the materials past the endurance limit? The wheel is subject to reversed stress as well, not something I'd want to ignore in design.

and resting your chin on the wheel puts a load on the internal bearings that they were not meant to take. DON'T DO IT.

Probably very true for sim-wheels. I don't know, but I imagine the bearings in automotive wheel columns are designed to cope with people using the wheel as a grab handle to prevent slipping in corners and to enter and exit the vehicle. I have a vehicle with 250k miles and the column is still quite tight and lash free. For that application, I can't imagine resting a 10lb load on it for a short period doing much harm.

Most of the mass produced sim wheels look super cheesy.

[Gunn]

The violence with which the wheel can slam into full lock from an attack on your unattended car could easily damage many parts of the wheel including the securing mechanism that keeps it attached to your desk. For those who use the Logitech fake centering spring effect you might not understand this like those who allow LFS to completely control their wheel may do.

Other hazards include:
Waking the children
Spilling the beer

*hmmmm.... spilt beer, I don't really need to list anymore now do I?

[Racer Y]

Well as whiny as it sounds, it really DOES sound whiny ;) , he really does have a valid point. I believe his wheel got knocked outta whack because of hit like that. I've had to recalibrate
my center after being hit like that before. He's right. it really can mess with your wheel. Also, I've heard about somebody getting the crap burned out of them when someone hit them and it caused their coffee to go every where (lol and they say real racing is dangerous).

I also, understand that 99% of the time, the wrecker isn't really meaning any harm. Most of the time, it's done as a way to show that they enjoyed
the race - kinda like a punch on the arm sort a thing.
But people need to realize that this sort of stuff needs to not happen
especially if it can totally trash a wheel
I dunno...maybe the wrecker can just try not to wreck sooo hard?

Uh ... it won't straighten up at all? Have you tried to reinstall it?

[avih]

I don't like this behaviour too, but it happens and imho you can't really tell ppl not to do that, so now i automatically switch off FF after i finish a race. I've been doing that for few weeks i think, it solves the issue for me. (i have a ff on/off switch at the front of my SW FF USB wheel)

[speedfreak227]

Materials engineering, neat.

Would it be fair to say that when designing a force feedback wheel, you should design it so that the largest forces anticipated from either users or the motors will not stress/strain the materials past the endurance limit? The wheel is subject to reversed stress as well, not something I'd want to ignore in design.
yes that is fair, but then again why does anything wear out? you can't build everything to last forever, it simply costs too much. it's all about balance. it should last the average user a set amount of time under average conditions. shoes for instance, they could be made to last MUCH longer, but then to cost goes up acordingly.

given enough repeated light impacts most things will fail. on a side note: if you have a two door car with back seats, HOLD YOUR FRONT SEAT AS YOU MOVE IT FORWARDS! DON'T LET IT SLAM FORWARDS UNDER SPRING FORCE EVERY TIME. just because it doesn't break this time or the next 100 times doesn't mean it's not going to break next time. just a week ago i had a chair with a steel post fail while i leaned back on it. it was just a matter of YEARS of cyclic loading that stressed the metal and caused dislocations :thumb: to form in the matrix. as more dislocations:thumb: are formed dislocation:thumb: motion is reduced causing the material to cease to be able to plastically deform. (FINALLY I CAN PUT MY ENGINEERING COURSES TO A GOOD USE! assuming i got that right :Looking_a)

a simple example of this is that little tab used to open pop and beer cans. if you just BARELY wiggle it it'll wiggle for a long time. if you bend it back and forth the full distance the metal isn't able to flex after a few full bends and it cracks.


Probably very true for sim-wheels. I don't know, but I imagine the bearings in automotive wheel columns are designed to cope with people using the wheel as a grab handle to prevent slipping in corners and to enter and exit the vehicle. I have a vehicle with 250k miles and the column is still quite tight and lash free. For that application, I can't imagine resting a 10lb load on it for a short period doing much harm.

Most of the mass produced sim wheels look super cheesy.
the bearings in a vehicle are designed to have a much higher fail safe load for obvious reasons. if your logitech wheel fails it's highly unlikely that you'll end up on the sidewalk hitting a nun walking with 13 orphans.

when firends are using my wheel if i see them leaning on it i ask them to stop. it is for rotating, not using as a lever.

after having my original formula force (best wheel ever!) fail i'm being especially cautios with my red momo formula force. (a steal on ebay by pure luck) though i'm quite happy it doesn't do the same start up calibration as the old formula force did. i'm also going to buy an old formula force from a friend who doesn't use his anymore and just put it in the closet for a rainy day. the last thing i want is to have to use one of those crappy mass produced ones.

speedfreak227

[AndroidXP]

Wait, this thread is about crash derby AFTER the race is over? And because you got smacked once you call it a "worrying trend"?

:bigeye:

[felplacerad]

warranty?

[speedfreak227]

warranty?
the trouble with that is the two best wheels that logitech has ever made are both discontinued.

although something i forgot to mention in my earlier post and i don't know if everyone's computer is set this way BUT....................................

when i hit "esc" to pull up the menus my force feedback turns off. you could just do that as a preventitive measure.

speedfreak227

[huxorator]

This thread is SO g4y!

OH, i guess its my fault i'm using FF, guess it's my fault, i'm racing online.

Oh, yes you're right. Imagine one day you don't get your corner right and crash into a wall - who is paying you a new wheel? The Dev team as they didn't put tires in front of the wall to bounce you off?

If someone rests his chin on the wheel ... that's his decision, but it's his own risk.

If someone likes to tie his p3n1s to the wheel and it gets stretched to double length, it's his own risk (although he might enjoy it).

You simply cannot hold other people responsible for your FF hardware movements.

[(FIN)Eza]

I wouldnt ram some one who looked like they where driving proper laps
lol


Oh, yes you're right. Imagine one day you don't get your corner right and crash into a wall - who is paying you a new wheel? The Dev team as they didn't put tires in front of the wall to bounce you off?

If someone rests his chin on the wheel ... that's his decision, but it's his own risk.

If someone likes to tie his p3n1s to the wheel and it gets stretched to double length, it's his own risk (although he might enjoy it).

You simply cannot hold other people responsible for your FF hardware movements.
lol


mmm I love that word :boing:




Eza

[xaotik]

If someone likes to tie his p3n1s to the wheel and it gets stretched to double length, it's his own risk (although he might enjoy it).

Aw man... first there was that other thread where someone said he got hard-ons from the engine sounds in LFS and now this...

Thank you everyone for turning LFS into a kink parade. :(

[colcob]

Yeah, personally it gets on my nerves when people ram into me after the race. Its kind of childish and irritating and it ruins the atmosphere of a proper race. But that said I've never bothered complaining about it because most people just dont see it that way.

[FredrikB]

Yeah, personally it gets on my nerves when people ram into me after the race. Its kind of childish and irritating and it ruins the atmosphere of a proper race. But that said I've never bothered complaining about it because most people just dont see it that way.Agree.
And i could kill those azzholes that drives backwards after the race too.
HEY!! I'm practising here!

/Fredrik

[NotAnIllusion]

It only annoys me if I'm having a bad day. It's a good way of relaxing for a few moments before the intense concentration before the next race. I tend not to crash into ppl much after the race, but just drive around messin' about. Works for me, I guess :D

[Astro [ BJRL ]]

i had the ORIGINAL wingamn formula force. it lasted for YEARS. every time i booted up my computer though it would CRASH to each extreeme, far left, then far right. eventually from the shock loads the steel cables inside snapped.

speedfreak227

My wheel does the same, and it is no fault, it is supposed to do so. It's like it comes alive when I turn on my PC, and it happened after installing som 'fix' for the spikes appearing in pedals, and the program 'warned' me in advance of this behaivor, turning full left and then right when swhitcing PC on. so nothing is snapped, I guess.

[rcpilot]

It does bug me when someone completely random slams into me after a race, but if it's the racer I just swapped positions with for the past 5 laps, it's fair game. :P Besides that, there's no way to stop this, and it's not really a problem in the first place. If a majority of people thought it was something to be banned for, then you have your wish, but most of the time it's just playing around and you were unlucky.

[Stealthy04]

I have a DFP and when some one hits me my wheel dosent budge, youve probably got the FF on silly high, and low rotation.

Having your FF that high isnt reccomended, you can damage the motor and gears quicker IMO, theres more force going through them, resulting in quicker wear.. if that makes sence!

If the problem persists i would imagine youve stripped a gear or damaged the motor.

[tristancliffe]

Just drive round and go to parc ferme like I do :p

[tailing]

It can be annoying but it really isn't a big deal, if your wheel is broken because this happened one time then I'd consider it a problem with your wheel, take it back and get it replaced.
You simply can't control everything that other people do, not everyone takes sim-racing so seriously and you've gotta respect that. Some guys just like to have a bit of fun or let off some steam after a race.

[roy.s]

Banning some one for crashing into you after the race is over? Thats a bit harsh if you ask me. Theres no problem in crashing into other people after a race is over, it can be quite fun actualy:).
I wouldnt ram some one who looked like they where driving proper laps (they might have just joined and be warming up for next race), but you say you were parked, so you were fair game :)

Its just bad luck your wheel may have suffered problems from the violent forces. Perhaps turn down the FFB? if u think thats fun u need to get a life ..fool

[AndroidXP]

No, YOU need to get a life when you take this game so seriously and get all enraged over it.

[avih]

Since i do think it's a bit annoying, and especially if you're not holding the wheel, under certain circumstances it can cause quite a harsh "flic" to the wheel, and since i don't know if other wheels have instant FF on/off as the SW has, how about addiing to lfs itself:

- add key: CTRL-F - turn FF on/off
- add option: disable FF after race finishes (for that specific player) untill next restart. of course CTRL-F would re-enable it at that state.

[skiingman]

just a week ago i had a chair with a steel post fail while i leaned back on it. it was just a matter of YEARS of cyclic loading that stressed the metal and caused dislocations

LOL, that sounds like the kind of thing that happens to you only when you are among the few that KNOW it can happen...funny how life is. :)

a simple example of this is that little tab used to open pop and beer cans. if you just BARELY wiggle it it'll wiggle for a long time. if you bend it back and forth the full distance the metal isn't able to flex after a few full bends and it cracks.

<off topic>
I think the most fascinating bit is how (assuming no corrosion/fretting/etc) time doesn't effect it. You can bend it back and forth 20 times and break it today, or you can do so once a week for twenty weeks and it will still break after about the same number of cycles.

This kind of simple behavior has interesting consequences. Small plane owners measure life of components in hours of use, which is if dubious value. Transport category aircraft usually measure component life in cycles. The maintenance schedules are designed so that impending fatigue failures will be detectable by dye-penetrant/whatever testing at least one maintenance interval before the fatigue crack will cause catastrophic failure. Very, very rarely do they get this wrong. Amazing how good the science is in practice even though the science is still by no means perfect.

[ebola]

Chill out guys its called FUN

[ajp71]

It's not a worrying new trend, this has been happening post race in just about every sim around.

I don't personally like it, I tend to keep lapping after the race and don't expect to get hit, however if your sitting still you've just got to accept you will be hit.

[STROBE]

Maybe I'm missing something.

If you park your car stationary on the track on the start/finish straight then you've got to expect to be hit, either by accident or on purpose. After all, common sense dictates that parking your car in the middle of straight when cars, still racing until they cross the line, are bearing down on you at 100mph+ is going to result in a massive collision. And if you wanna mess about and ram each other at high speed after a race with a like minded someone, fair enough, nowt stopping you. I've messed about after races myself with others who are skidding around and nudging and banging into each other until your tyres pop or you're out of fuel. :)

But often I've finished a race and parked up well out of the way, either round a corner, on the grass or right up against the barrier, while I chat to someone or save a replay file, etc. And sure enough, suddenly my wheel bangs round and the car goes cartwheeling through the air (like we've never seen that happen before omg lololol!!1!one!!1) and I'm left with no choice but to Shift+S. :shrug:

So is it some kind of pre-pubescant hilarity that I'm missing out on? Does it give kids some kind of huge shuddering orgasm to ram a car that's clearly not joining in? Or is it just a case of people being dicks and unable to defend their actions without recourse to the old get-out-of-jail-free-card of "it's just a bit of fun"? :scratchch Well, bollocks to your fun. :razz: When I want fun at the end of a race, you can spot me amongst the clouds of tyre smoke in the handful of cars pinging around like pinballs. When I'm parked up a 100 yards away with the hazard flashers on, that means "sod off, I'm busy".

[T.K.Jode]

This thread is all well and nice, but those who participate in post-race-crashage don't care and nothing is going to stop them.

Tristan has the right idea... find yourself a secure area (Parc Ferme) where nobody can hit you, and proceed there after you've finished the race... if you want to be realistic (which I'm sure all of the people complaining about this do), you should be following this standard FIA procedure for your own protection. Parking trackside is illegal, and you do so at your own risk (and furthermore, your own expense).

[NotAnIllusion]

This thread is all well and nice, but those who participate in post-race-crashage don't care and nothing is going to stop them.
I'd care to differ, all you need to do is ask me not to and I won't. Telling me works too ;) Usually ppl leave me alone if I ask them to, after the race. I do the same.

[Gunn]

I have a DFP and when some one hits me my wheel dosent budge, youve probably got the FF on silly high, and low rotation.

Having your FF that high isnt reccomended, you can damage the motor and gears quicker IMO, theres more force going through them, resulting in quicker wear.. if that makes sence!

If the problem persists i would imagine youve stripped a gear or damaged the motor.100% is not too high. Do you have the Logitech centering spring enabled? That will keep your wheel returning to centre even when it shouldn't do. In a real car when you are stationary and you turn the wheel to full lock and then realease the wheel, the wheels stay in a turned position and don't snap back to centre automatically. If, in LFS, your wheel goes back to dead centre when stationary (even though there is no apparent reason for the wheels to straighten by themselves) this is probably because of forces not generated by LFS. People who have the centre spring disabled or set to 0 (when stationary and rammed by another car) will find their wheel turns rapidly to full lock as there are no forces in LFS resisting this movement like the centre spring does.

Perhaps this is why some people don't agree with the violent turning of their wheel under these conditions?

No matter what level my FFB is set at, if you crash into my car at speed and cause the front wheels to go full lock, then the wheel will go full lock. There is nothing artificially trying to return the wheels to a straight position, LFS is totally in control of the car's actions.

Many racers will park after a race and many will park off the track, I'm sure most of us have done this at some time. As has been identified by many members posting in this topic, it would be courteous and thoughtful not to ram a parked vehicle after a race. The option for the "parkers" would be to spectate or telepit, but as I say, many racers like to park briefly after a race. If people are aware that they may damage someone's equipment or cause some other unwanted disruption then it isn't too much to ask that a little common sense prevail online.

[Rotary]

Ramming into other drivers on purpose is chilish and just not fun. Those who find amusement in that sort of behaviour doesn't belong on a track, be it real or simulated.
I try my best to "live the simulation". After a race I like to cool down and bring my car back to the pits, like in real life. Getting hit during that lap is just as irritating as being hit during the race.

Oh sorry, looks like I've spent the last 2.5 years or more of LFS racing somewhere I don't belong, my bad. Thank you for your enlightment. I promise to follow the straight and narrow and not step out of the box that is considered by you to be "normal". Please send me the bible on being you so I can correct my ways and learn to not be myself and become one with your way of life.

It's a matter of opinion, learn to understand others have different views on what they can and can't do based on their own life experience and its up to them to make decisions. You are not our parents, get over it. Don't like it? Tell the person who hit you, spectate, change server, start a kick vote.... wow, so many choices yet you'd rather try to say people are childish because they don't enjoy life the way you do.

Sigh, now we have after race smash up prevention nazi's... Christ I'm sick of all the "You can't do it because I don't like it" cry babies in these forums.

Edit: Yes, I may be immature in some respects (meaning others see what I find as entertainment to be childish) but in the real life issues that actually matter I have a very healthy attitude (such as starting a family). LFS is just a PC "simulation" game FFS. I can't believe I let this stupid thread get to me!

[Hyperactive]

I noticed that in the demo servers it was a common policy to slam at full speed at BL1 in T1 at anyone... Didn't like it then, but I just got used to it. When I moved to the licensed servers I noticed that there were almost none those full-speed-at-you wreckers-after-finish.

But you just got to admit that some people like it and at least they aren't doing it while the race is going on. And generally the only thing I can figure negative about that is a) it may damage FF and b) it may be annoying. But if you park on road and get hit... If you park your car in T1 on BL and get hit you can cry as much as you want but I ain't listening. You can always ask them to stop and usually they do, but anyway you get hit first :)

Going in the wrong way is just plain stupid, have seen that on some team servers after race too...Going to the wrong way shouldn't just be allowed. period.

[Scottie]

Oh sorry, looks like I've spent the last 2.5 years or more of LFS racing somewhere I don't belong, my bad. Thank you for your enlightment. I promise to follow the straight and narrow and not step out of the box that is considered by you to be "normal". Please send me the bible on being you so I can correct my ways and learn to not be myself and become one with your way of life.

It's a matter of opinion, learn to understand others have different views on what they can and can't do based on their own life experience and its up to them to make decisions. You are not our parents, get over it. Don't like it? Tell the person who hit you, spectate, change server, start a kick vote.... wow, so many choices yet you'd rather try to say people are childish because they don't enjoy life the way you do.

Sigh, now we have after race smash up prevention nazi's... Christ I'm sick of all the "You can't do it because I don't like it" cry babies in these forums.

Edit: Yes, I may be immature in some respects (meaning others see what I find as entertainment to be childish) but in the real life issues that actually matter I have a very healthy attitude (such as starting a family). LFS is just a PC "simulation" game FFS. I can't believe I let this stupid thread get to me!

:rofl: brilliant post rots! and :iagree: totally :nod::pillepall

[ysu]

Oh sorry, looks like I've spent the last 2.5 years or more of LFS racing somewhere I don't belong, my bad. Thank you for your enlightment. I promise to follow the straight and narrow and not step out of the box that is considered by you to be "normal". Please send me the bible on being you so I can correct my ways and learn to not be myself and become one with your way of life.

It's a matter of opinion, learn to understand others have different views on what they can and can't do based on their own life experience and its up to them to make decisions. You are not our parents, get over it. Don't like it? Tell the person who hit you, spectate, change server, start a kick vote.... wow, so many choices yet you'd rather try to say people are childish because they don't enjoy life the way you do.

Sigh, now we have after race smash up prevention nazi's... Christ I'm sick of all the "You can't do it because I don't like it" cry babies in these forums.

Edit: Yes, I may be immature in some respects (meaning others see what I find as entertainment to be childish) but in the real life issues that actually matter I have a very healthy attitude (such as starting a family). LFS is just a PC "simulation" game FFS. I can't believe I let this stupid thread get to me!


Well said, I totally agree.

It seems to help to ease the tension, to relief the excitement of the concentration after the race. It's good fun, but sometimes I don't wish for it, then I simply spectate, or warp back to pits. I don't think it's an issue at all.

If your wheel broke because of it it's your wheel. It woluld have broken at a wall hit anyway (don't tell me it never happens) :-)

[Rotary]

Yeah I'm never having kids either ;)

:rofl: :D

Good point Ysu, my logitech wheel is 2 years old and still works great even though I'm childish in my LFS after race behaviour!!

[X-Ter]

Hmm... Must have hit a soft spot when calling a certain action childish. Anyway...

From the dictionary http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=simulation
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simulation
n 1: (computer science) the technique of representing the real world by a computer program
--
Now, if you where slamming into an opponents car after the race is done and over with, you would probably not only be facing charges of unsportsmanlike behaviour and a lot of costs for all the damage done. You would probably allso face a life time ban from the racetracks across the globe.
If you must crash into poeple, do it on a server where it's meant to crash into each other for fun. Do not do it on the average race server.

[Slartibartfast]

Oh sorry, looks like I've spent the last 2.5 years or more of LFS racing somewhere I don't belong, my bad. Thank you for your enlightment. I promise to follow the straight and narrow and not step out of the box that is considered by you to be "normal". Please send me the bible on being you so I can correct my ways and learn to not be myself and become one with your way of life.

It's a matter of opinion, learn to understand others have different views on what they can and can't do based on their own life experience and its up to them to make decisions. You are not our parents, get over it. Don't like it? Tell the person who hit you, spectate, change server, start a kick vote.... wow, so many choices yet you'd rather try to say people are childish because they don't enjoy life the way you do.

Sigh, now we have after race smash up prevention nazi's... Christ I'm sick of all the "You can't do it because I don't like it" cry babies in these forums.

Edit: Yes, I may be immature in some respects (meaning others see what I find as entertainment to be childish) but in the real life issues that actually matter I have a very healthy attitude (such as starting a family). LFS is just a PC "simulation" game FFS. I can't believe I let this stupid thread get to me!

Just out of curiosity...

How do you feel about cigarette smoking?

[Blowtus]

stupid lfs post race crashers going around giving everyone cancer...
:)

[Rotary]

Childish:

1. Marked by or indicating a lack of maturity; puerile: tired of your childish pranks.
2. Not complicated; simple.
3. Affected mentally by old age; senile.

Who wouldn't be offended by someone calling you childish for things different to what they seem acceptable?

I can play the dictionary game as well... lets take a look at the word game shall we.

Game:

2 a. A competitive activity or sport in which players contend with each other according to a set of rules: the game of basketball; the game of gin rummy.

LFS "simulates" car racing and car racing is known as Motor Sport. LFS is a game that simulates racing or a simulation of the game called motorsport played on your PC.

Maybe you need to look up the word simulates as well?

Thanks to www.dictionary.com

Now, if you where slamming into an opponents car after the race is done and over with, you would probably not only be facing charges of unsportsmanlike behaviour and a lot of costs for all the damage done. You would probably allso face a life time ban from the racetracks across the globe.
If you must crash into poeple, do it on a server where it's meant to crash into each other for fun. Do not do it on the average race server.

Thank you for stating the obvious about the "real world" situation - now I know why it never happens when I watch motor sport on TV.

Oh, I will do what I damn well like in the average server thank you very much. You are no-one to tell me or anyone here what we can and can not do. If you don't like it that is your problem. As you can see many people in LFS enjoy it, many don't. Lets all get over it and accept each others differences, OK?

[Rotary]

Just out of curiosity...

How do you feel about cigarette smoking?

Urm ok, not sure where that question is leading? However, Its the individuals choice to smoke. Similar to how it is my choice to play demo derby after a race the has finished ;)

Are you saying I need a smoke to calm down?? LOL

(I'm a non-smoker BTW)

[ColeusRattus]

Since i do think it's a bit annoying, and especially if you're not holding the wheel, under certain circumstances it can cause quite a harsh "flic" to the wheel, and since i don't know if other wheels have instant FF on/off as the SW has, how about addiing to lfs itself:

- add key: CTRL-F - turn FF on/off
- add option: disable FF after race finishes (for that specific player) untill next restart. of course CTRL-F would re-enable it at that state.

Just press Esc after crossing the finnish line, and - whoop-di-doo - all the forces are gone ;)

And people, dont get all offensive over such a small matter! Sure, it sucks if your hardware gets damaged by being crashed after race. But chances are that it would have broken quite soon anyway, possibly during a race, which would be little bit more inconvenient. So banning for crashing AFTER the race is not a solution, if you dont like such a behaviour. Rather go to the pits, or at least try to park somewhere not easily accesible. (like at the walls inside a sharp turn behind the apex...).

And as a final word: You all are childish! :razz: Take that!

[Rotary]

Just press Esc after crossing the finnish line, and - whoop-di-doo - all the forces are gone ;)

And people, dont get all offensive over such a small matter! Sure, it sucks if your hardware gets damaged by being crashed after race. But chances are that it would have broken quite soon anyway, possibly during a race, which would be little bit more inconvenient. So banning for crashing AFTER the race is not a solution, if you dont like such a behaviour. Rather go to the pits, or at least try to park somewhere not easily accesible. (like at the walls inside a sharp turn behind the apex...).

And as a final word: You all are childish! :razz: Take that!

:rofl: ouch! :p

PS. Don't make the solution to simple!

[Mazz4200]

I'll admit, when i started the thread, i was seriously pissed off.
The guy had just rammed me for no apparent reason, messed my wheel up, then just ****ed off, and didnt even have the balls to own up to it.

But, some of the replys have been a real eye opener for me

I only discovered LFS a couple of months ago, and its the first time i've ever played a game online, so everything about it (online gaming, the community, the forums etc) is all new to me.

So i guess if i was at fault, then i was wrong to be so naive.

I just didnt realise how many wankers there are out there.

[speedfreak227]

I just didnt realise how many wankers there are out there.

that was your first mistake.

THE WORLD IS FULL OF WANKERS

get used to it, or do what michael douglas did in "falling down"

speedfreak227

[B2B@300]

:scratchch you could always set up a server "Clean Racing (No wankers!)" seen one like that once before :D maybe that would work :tilt: oh but that would exlude the majority of the male population :x :razz:

[nikimere]

whoop-di-doo
Nice sound effects on this forum
:thumbsup: :tilt:

[Mazz4200]

:scratchch you could always set up a server "Clean Racing (No wankers!)" seen one like that once before :D maybe that would work :tilt: oh but that would exlude the majority of the male population :x :razz:

Yeah, i was actually thinking of trying something like that.
Problem is, I dont know a thing about computers. Ive had a look at the section in Bob Smith's manual, and he may as well have written it in ancient Hebrew, coz it dont mean a thing to me ? :shrug:

Maybe call it "happily married men, no kids allowed".

On second thought's, scub that, maybe "married men, the wife's at work, no kids allowed".

[Rotary]

It's not your fault Mazz, its just someone saw you as fair game. Each to his own :)

[AndroidXP]

And now, GROUPHUG TIME! :grouphug:

[Gentlefoot]

Ramming people after the race is not something I'd do but if someone did it to me I really couldn't care less. What does it matter?

[mr_x]

if i ram someone after a race i make sure its someone i know

usually as soon as the race finishes i press esc to stop all FF effects, i used to race with FF set to 0, but now im finding that its far easier to control a car with more FF so at the mo i got it at 25 which is good enough to give me car control, but still enough so that the wheel doesnt get damaged if i get rammed (not that UF1000's can damage a wheel :D )

[Chris_Kerry]

Crashing into anyone for the sake of it is wrong...if it's one of your mates.

Fair game! :x

[whendrix]

I find it hard to belive the force feedback the wheel creates can actually damage it

You better believe it, happend to me 2 weeks ago 2h before a race. I started up LFS to do some practise. Things were not going to well, just mildy brushed a wall on South City in FOX> Suspension was bent a bit so I decided to restart. I left my right foot on the pedal, let go of the steeringwheel and in meantime looking for the escape key on the keyboard. The car speed up and hit went straight into a wall at quite high speed. I noticed a violent shock in the steeringwheel and from that point on force feedback was dead...

I opened the steeringwheel, turns out that the "impact" burnt a 2A fuse in the circuit for the FF engine. For the time being, I shorted it and FF works again as it should be...

Wim

[xaotik]

I opened the steeringwheel, turns out that the "impact" burnt a 2A fuse in the circuit for the FF engine. For the time being, I shorted it and FF works again as it should be...

How did you remove the airbag to get to the fuse? I always find that part tricky...

[96 GTS]

I think the best thing to do is never let your wheel unattended with FF on. I stood of from my chair for a minute to get a drink from my fridge, I thought I had set the parking brake, but I hadn't, the car started rolling backwards, and the wheel slammed to lock, then whipped back and slammed the other lock. Nothing was damaged, it really was no harder than the wheel hitting lock while calibrating itself, but it did make me jump for a sec.

[bbman]

If you want to park your car somewhere save, just drive another half lap and park it next to any outside barrier you want... Worked every time for me, as the messies stay near the finish line, and those who drive that half lap are testing their setup/warming up for the next race... :nod:

[SparkyDave]

I opened the steeringwheel, turns out that the "impact" burnt a 2A fuse in the circuit for the FF engine. For the time being, I shorted it and FF works again as it should be...

Remember to go buy an identical fuse and fit it , as it may have saved your FF motor this time :nod:

Sometimes its fun to ram your mates after a race , mostly Id rather keep on driving or pull well off line or even spectate or shift S , I never rest my chin on the wheel tho :)

I dont think a game can break your wheel just with strong FF, if you run your FF over 100% then its at your own risk ,and as with anything things will fail with use and time , a game or driver in that game shouldnt be blamed for HW failure .

SD .

[X-Ter]

Nice post Mr HittiS :)
I've been an admin for almost three years and SCORE has grown to be a pretty good home for those who like clean racing. Most regulars are very nice and always willing to help out in any way they can.
Part of the reason SCORE has become such a good place is that I've never allowed for any kind of bullshit. Another part is plain luck :)
So in short... People who come to SCORE and crash into other drivers on purpose, be it during the race or after, will get banned for quite some time.
There, now I've said it. If you don't like it, play somewhere else.

[DodgeRacer]

I dont have a problem with that, I was banned from one server (the only server) for hitting someone after the race because i spun out in t1, i guess he thought it was intentional and instantly got banned :\ but I guess i'd rather have clean servers with the risk of getting banned than a wreckfest :)

[Racer Y]

@ HittuS... LOL I remember that thread. . At the time, I thought wow,
banning for THAT? but later on, I kinda agree. It can be really annoying.
Also, I don't think people should just park on the middle of the track right after they finish a race either. Doing that just invites that sort of thing
to happen.

I dunno tho, it seems to be some sort of unofficial ritual that goes back since
before I started playing. I don't see it going away any time soon.

It really does sound harsh to ban people for doing that as a way of showing
their appreciation for having a particulrly good race. But I guess you could
compare it to what do you to to a guy that shows his appreciation for a
recent job/pay promotion by setting fire to the business? :smileypul

[Moonclaw]

The producers of the Live for Speed racing simulator make every effort
to ensure the program is safe but can not accept any responsibility
whatsoever for personal injury or death that may arise during the use
of the software, or any damage of any kind to your system including
corrupted files, lost data or damage to hardware.
:scratchch :monkey:

[BlueLine]

personal injury or death

:Looking_a

[Gener_AL (UK)]

Nothing more satisfying then ram/bump fest after a race.

most of what i want to say has been said.

After all the race is over, so no rules , there is a spectator option or you can press shit & r for nitro :D or you can blow off steam by aiming at the guy who came 1st at 150mph :thumb: or just hassling them. (make sure target is someone who knows you obviously)

Now that prob makes me sound like a wrecker , but half the fun of this game is what happens after a race , like after the main show , the after show party begins :nod:

i would never leave car unattended anyway 99% of the time (ie not having hold of the wheel) A. makes to much noise B. is likely to damage wheel (common sense i would think)

Most people that have played LFS know the score on this one. if its a serious race , then obviosly respect is due .

but some of you guys need to relax a little, here was a new guy experiencing somthing he didnt think was fair game and suffered a very rare malfunction, some of you go overboard in personal retaliations , just an observation , not trying to fan any flames , please not lets turn this place into stress zone :D

Mazz4200 im sure youve seen how different admins and hosts and racers respond online to after race antics , they dont bat an eylid its the only time we racers can unwind :D .... just try do what you do after a race in a race , you soon see those bats turn real , and get put in spec / kick or banned :D

hope i wasnt to harsh guys :)

[Gentlefoot]

I'm sorry but I'm gonna be blunt here. Those who complain about being rammed after the race really need to get out more. If you don't like it, don't leave your car on trackside when the race has finsihed, return to the pits instead.