building my own pc

[sam93]

Hi there,

I am thinking of building my own pc with these components.
G.Skill 4GB DDR2 PQ PC2-6400C5 (2x2GB) CAS5 Dual Channel Kit
Pioneer DVR-112DBK 18x18 DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter - (Black) OEM
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Music 7.1 Soundcard - OEM
BFG 800W UK/PFC Approved PSU
Hitachi Deskstar T7K500 320GB ATA-133 8MB Cache - OEM
Asus P5K WS Intel P35 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "Energy Efficient 95W Edition" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail
BFG GeForce 8800 GTS OC2 320MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail

And i was just wondering is it all compatible?

Sam.

I defently can hear a jakg post coming:)

[Jakg]

Great, only i'd ditch the PSU and get something better, get a Seagate 7200.10 drive, i wouldn't bother getting the WS, just the plain P5K.

I'd also get a 640 MB version of that card if i could, or just get the "plain" 320 MB version.

How much is that memory setting you back?

I'd also look into a new monitor.

[sam93]

£176 including VAT So if possible Jak could you give me a link of what mobo to go for the reason why i have a 320mb GFX is because i can only stretch to about £900 i may only get 2gig of ram yet so its cheaper.
Wouldn't i also need a 64bit version of a operating system for the specs of the pc if i build it.

Sam.

[Jakg]

I'd recommend 4 sticks of Crucial Ballistix then (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=0&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=119273)

I'd just get the "plain" Asus P5K tbh.

You don't need a 64-bit os, but it does run a bit quicker.

[sam93]

Just seen this bundle would this do the job i think it would as it seems to save me abit of cash:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-038-OK
and this hard drive as you recommended.
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=Barracuda_7200.10_SATA_320.2_GB&vgnextoid=a29099f4fa74c010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a32a2f290c5fb010VgnVCM100000dd04090a RCRD&reqPage=Model
I am just abit stuck on what PSU to get.

Sam.

[Jakg]

I wouldn't get that bundle - it's not the G0 Quad like you used in your first build. A G0 + the memory i suggested and a P5K comes to £335 iirc.

And how much is your current PSU?

[sam93]

Don't know it just says on the pack of the pc:
AC Input - 100-240Vac 4-2A 50-60HZ.

So keep the current first build but change the hard drive the mobo the ram and the psu and it should be fine?

I'm think of getting this P5K because it has WiFi built in and in my house i have a wireless network.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-236-AS&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=913

And as i said above this hard drive.


With 2 of the Crucial 1GB DDR2 PC2-6400/800MHz CL4-4-4-12 Ballistix 2.2V SLI Ready sticks so i will have 2gig of ram.

So i just have to sort the PSU out now and it should be all good?

Sam.

[Jakg]

I meant how much is the PSU your looking at buying?

[sam93]

Oh i see i dont know i dont really understand PSU's i need to know the watts/amps i need for the pc

Sam.

[Jakg]

Once again, how much is it going to cost you? For that you could get away with a 580w Hiper, but i could find smething better.

[sam93]

nearly £100
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-004-CS

[Jakg]

I'd look into this - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-023-OC&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=

Or this - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-009-HP&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=

or this - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-009-TG&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=

If at all possible, the last one.

[sam93]

I'll think i go for the hiper that means the whole system will only cost me £736.94

Components will be:
Asus P5K Deluxe WiFi Intel P35 (Socket 775) PCI-E DDR2
Intel 2 Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600
Hiper HPU-4M580 580w ATX 2.2 PSU
Pioneer DVR-112DBK 18x18 DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter - (Black) OEM
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Music 7.1 Soundcard - OEM
BFG GeForce 8800 GTS OC2 320MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail
Barracuda 7200.10 250gb Sata-ii - 3.5in 9ms 7200rpm 16mb 3gb/s Ns
2x Crucial 1GB DDR2 PC2-6400/800MHz CL4-4-4-12 Ballistix 2.2V SLI Ready

So that should be it?

Sam.

Edit: different Hard Drive.
Seagate 160GB 7200.10 7200RPM SATAII/300 8MB Cache - OEM

[Jakg]

I'd go for the P5K standard and the Tagan PSU

[sam93]

I know but its the budget i kind of have to stick to as it will be my dads money buying the components i know you say the the normal P5K but with it having WiFi it is easier because i dont have to install a seperate wifi card and the psu will kind of break the budget because i also have to buy XP Pro i am not touching vista yet with the driver issues it is having ill upgrade to it though within a year or 2.

Sam.

[Jakg]

WiFi card - £20

P5K - £72

P5K Deluxe - £132.

[sam93]

Didnt think of it that way and plus i dont really have to buy one with having one already what is in my current desktop and it works a treat but i may turn to ethernet again because of the better speeds using cable instead of wifi.

Are you talking about this P5K?
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-235-AS&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=913

[Jakg]

This P5K - http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/Socket+775+%28Intel%29/ASUS+P5K+Intel+iP35+Socket+775+Motherboard+?produc tId=27298

[sam93]

Is there much difference in them though except the price?

[Jakg]

The deluxe gets RAID, better overclocking and WiFi. 'Bout it TBH.

[The General Lee]

Whats the difference between the Premium and the Deluxe?

Sorry for the HiJack Sam.

[sam93]

Dont worry about it

I will see think between the deluxe and the normal one because i am not bothered about overclocking much.

Sam.

Edit: Is there any difference between the G.Skill 4GB DDR2 PQ PC2-6400C5 (2x2GB) CAS5 Dual Channel Kit and the Crucial 1GB DDR2 PC2-6400/800MHz CL4-4-4-12 Ballistix 2.2V SLI Ready apart from the price and memory because if my dad will let me have that little bit more money i would prefer to get the G.skill 4gb instead of the crucial 1gb as i would need 4 of those when i can just use 2 sticks and get 4gb of ram?

[Jakg]

The only difference is that the G.Skill has higher timings (and is therefore a little slower) and that the Crucial's use D9 chips which overclock very nicely (good for resale value) and are actually rated for DDR1000 at the same timings as the G.Skill's.

If your not getting Vista, i would only get 2 GB of RAM for now, and if your only getting 2 GB i'd get 2 x 1 GB so you get dual channel - there seems to be no disadvantage to run 4 sticks of the same memory on an Intel system. You cold spend the cash you save on the 640 mb version of yout card or a bigger monitor - or just not spend it.

4x sticks of the Crucial Ballistix is £166 delivered, the cheapest 2 x 2 GB i could find is this (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+800+%28PC6400%29/Patriot+4GB+PC2-6400+Extreme+Performance+%282x2GB%29+?productId=26 803), which has higher timings but isn't a bad price.

Personally, if i was getting 4 GB i'd get 2 GB now, and 2 GB when i needed it and i'd go for the Ballistix as there is no disadvantage to having 4 sticks and you end up with quicker, more overclockable RAM that will be easier to sell for the same price. Even for £200 i couldn't find memory which was CAS#4, so those Ballistix seem the best (Only a few weeks ago i bought mine for £31.87 each - bloody eBuyer!)

If you have 4 GB of RAM you'll want a 64-bit OS, as a 32-bit OS takes 4 GB of memory max minus your graphics card RAM, your sound card and space allotted for your PCI stuff - in practice your looking at between 2.75 and 3.25 GB being recognised maximum.The deluxe gets RAID, better overclocking and WiFi. 'Bout it TBH.Whats the difference between the Premium and the Deluxe?...

EDIT - Just spotted these (http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Patriot+2GB+PC2-6400+C4+Extreme+Performance+%282x1GB%29+?productId =26802) on the net, they have the same timings as the Ballistix, but are cheaper - they won't overclock as well, but 4 GB would cost you about £100 + postage, which could make up for it!

[sam93]

Once i have built the pc would i have to apply any grease/oil type stuff to anything well no grease/oil but something along those lines just checking because i am shore i dont do i?

[Jakg]

Yes, however i believe the Intel stock heatsinks come with some Thermal Pads which mean you litterally just drop the heatsink on.

[sam93]

Ok, Cheers

[sam93]

Does anyone know where I can get those CPU monitors what you see on some custom pc's, It is a LCD screen, displaying all the information about the CPU etc. Do you buy them or do you have to buy an LCD screen and get some software so it displays the CPU information?

I have tried to find them on the internet but I have had no joy.

Sam.

[Jakg]

Aerocool make one (a rather nice one) but it's about £40.

A fan controller one is a bit cheape (£20), but no-one near as configurable...

[sam93]

Aerocool make one (a rather nice one) but it's about £40.

A fan controller one is a bit cheape (£20), but no-one near as configurable...

Cheers for that mate. Still haven't got the money yet though because my dad said he will see, but I am getting a saturday job when I am 15(I turn 15 feb 1st) so if I don't get the money I am either going to buy a RS50 or build a pc but my compo money I may be getting I may use to buy my RS with.

I know what people say about RS50's but if you look after them right and treat them right they dont blow up but I am going to tune mine up so it runs abit better, this includes de restricting it, Arrow Racing Exhaust and a Malossi Big Bore 80cc Kit.

Don't know if I will get my compo money yet so I may be stuck with my boring P4 for a couple of years.

Sam.

[Bawbag]

Erm, Are you talking about having the information you get in the Ctrl+Alt+Delete panel being displayed on some part of your screen/desktop?

I think that's just a programme, i'll point someone who has it on their PC In the direction of this thread, hopefully he's around....:really:

On topic with the PC, if you buy a mobo with 4 DDR2 slots then why not go for this? (Buying 2 of them)

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-058-GL

Would work out at half the price of G.Skill ones and really at 4gb of ram I don't think your really going to notice the differnce between the two....but i'm no expert *waits on JakQ* :thumb:

EDIT : On parr with the swaying onto RS50 topic, they seriously don't even need de restricted, I got on one a couple of years ago that my mate just bought, fully restricted and it flew up to 60mph where it stopped at a nice 11000prm. There a bit stupid money wise though and if your going to be tuning it your really going against the "not blowing it up" part. :D Also a bit pointless buying one for when you turn 16, although i'm thinking it's a typo because getting a job and a motorbike doesn't sound like the average 15 year old plans. :P

I'm actually on 2gb of the Geil sticks and for that price i'm extremely happy with them. :)

[Jakg]

I haven't heard anything about an RS50 being unreliable, i just think they cost a fair amount of cash to buy in the first place.

EDIT - Fook those sticks are cheap...

[sam93]

I haven't heard anything about an RS50 being unreliable, i just think they cost a fair amount of cash to buy in the first place.

They are expensive but I am used to having to buy motorcross bikes when I did motorcross and they cost alot, the RS50 sounds crap though with the original exhaust, it makes it sound like a scramber lol.

EDIT: Sticks?

[Bawbag]

Back a page, last post. :smileypul

[sam93]

Erm, Are you talking about having the information you get in the Ctrl+Alt+Delete panel being displayed on some part of your screen/desktop?

I think that's just a programme, i'll point someone who has it on their PC In the direction of this thread, hopefully he's around....:really:

On topic with the PC, if you buy a mobo with 4 DDR2 slots then why not go for this? (Buying 2 of them)

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-058-GL

Would work out at half the price of G.Skill ones and really at 4gb of ram I don't think your really going to notice the differnce between the two....but i'm no expert *waits on JakQ* :thumb:

EDIT : On parr with the swaying onto RS50 topic, they seriously don't even need de restricted, I got on one a couple of years ago that my mate just bought, fully restricted and it flew up to 60mph where it stopped at a nice 11000prm. There a bit stupid money wise though and if your going to be tuning it your really going against the "not blowing it up" part. :D Also a bit pointless buying one for when you turn 16, although i'm thinking it's a typo because getting a job and a motorbike doesn't sound like the average 15 year old plans. :P

I'm actually on 2gb of the Geil sticks and for that price i'm extremely happy with them. :)

I see, Nah Me and my mates are all getting apirlia's and speedfights when we reach 16 lol. Me and one of my mates have been into bikes since we was big enough to ride them. I wont blow the bike up by tuning it, I take alot of care of my bikes:) I may not put a malossi kit on it yet, I may just de restrict it and put a Arrow Racing Exhaust on it, RS50's from what I have heard, they run better being de restricted.

Sam.

[sam93]

Jakg, can you give me a list of parts if I was to build a quad core pc, I have been told I can have the money for one but I don't know how much I am allowed yet so could you build me on in the £600 range one in the £700 range and one in the £800 range please because I want to build a quad core but can't get my heaad around what parts will give me the best performance for the certain price range I don't know what parts to get. So if possible could you give me a list of parts so I know what to get when I build my Quad core system? If possible a list for each price range.

Cheers,
Sam.

Edit: Or can anyone else give me a list of parts for each price range?

[sam93]

Anyone?

[Jakg]

I made a £650 build thread a while ago - swap the CPU for a Q6600 and it would be about £750.

[sam93]

I made a £650 build thread a while ago - swap the CPU for a Q6600 and it would be about £750.

I seen it, oh yea i left one thing out, it must also have a 8800 card, but I think nvidia are bringing a new card out if i remember rightly and plus i will be building the pc just after christmas as thats when my dad gets alot of money as he is working on christmas.

I am looking for some decent hardware at the moment.

Sam.

[Jakg]

Why must it be an 8800?

[sam93]

Why must it be an 8800?

FSX Deluxe, and another game i have cant remember the name of but it needs a decent graphics card and plus i want to build a pc what wont be to outdated within a couple of years.

[Jakg]

a 2900 Pro is usaully faster than an 8800GTS 640, and is almost always faster than the 8800GTS 320 which is actually a little more expensive than the Pro.

[sam93]

a 2900 Pro is usaully faster than an 8800GTS 640, and is almost always faster than the 8800GTS 320 which is actually a little more expensive than the Pro.

I think i will stay with nvidia lol never had a ATI Card and i will stay with nvidia what I know the cards pretty well and i think they are pretty well made and very good cards.

[Jakg]

What monitor will you have then? If you want an nVidia card i'd go for the 8800GTS

[sam93]

What monitor will you have then? If you want an nVidia card i'd go for the 8800GTS

I am thinking of getting a monitor to support HD as the 8800 supports HD but one thing is that I don't know what case to get as I want a decent case what will fit all the components in like the P5K mobo and the 8800 and got enough room to tidy the wires up and good air circulation to keep everything cool.

[Jakg]

Hd doesn't help.

If your going over 20" you'll want to get the 8800GTS640 rather than the 8800GTS320.

[sam93]

Hd doesn't help.

If your going over 20" you'll want to get the 8800GTS640 rather than the 8800GTS320.

I know it doesn't but it is good for watching movies and videos off the net in HD i might not get a HD Monitor I am thinking about it though.

So could anyone tell me a good case to use?

Edit: I will proberly be getting the 640mb 8800gts anyway.

[garph]

I think you're getting a bit specialized for a LFS forum. For finding good cases for cooling and also going into more detail about components you'd get much better and a much wider range of advice from forums that deal with that kind of stuff.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/

Good place to start, just read a few threads.

[sam93]

I think you're getting a bit specialized for a LFS forum. For finding good cases for cooling and also going into more detail about components you'd get much better and a much wider range of advice from forums that deal with that kind of stuff.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/

Good place to start, just read a few threads.

Been on the forum a few times, I will be buying all my parts from overclockers apart from the mobo(Standard P5K) what overclockers do not stock.

Edit: Bit of a change will proberly be getting a ATI Sapphire 2900 Pro 1gb card now instead of the 8800

[harjun]

Hi there,

I am thinking of building my own pc with these components.
G.Skill 4GB DDR2 PQ PC2-6400C5 (2x2GB) CAS5 Dual Channel Kit
Pioneer DVR-112DBK 18x18 DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter - (Black) OEM
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Music 7.1 Soundcard - OEM
BFG 800W UK/PFC Approved PSU
Hitachi Deskstar T7K500 320GB ATA-133 8MB Cache - OEM
Asus P5K WS Intel P35 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "Energy Efficient 95W Edition" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail
BFG GeForce 8800 GTS OC2 320MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail

And i was just wondering is it all compatible?

Sam.

I defently can hear a jakg post coming:)you should get X64 bit OS for 4gb ram...dont know about the "energy efficient" quad though seems a bit....interesting

get a different PSU

go for either one of these

Corsair 620W
Corsair 520W
Corsair 450W at the very least

[Jakg]

Energy Efficient - G0

[harjun]

Energy Efficient - G0
and they survive at higher temperatures :)

[sam93]

I know what PSU I am getting now anyway what will proberly be the 650w corsair one.

Harjun, I don't think you should give out advice on building a pc, fair enough you are building your own now just don't fry it lol :) and plus yes it may be better to get a better OS but there is something called money and a budget but I should be allowed about £1000 for my pc as my dad is getting 6k for taking a bridge down over christmas, so i should be allowed it even though the cprsa is going in to get resprayed - Pictures of the corsa here:http://www.tunermart.com/html/car_ad_detail_page.php?hidId=113

Anyway I know what i will proberly be getting, I am no longer getting the ATI Sapphire 2900 Pro 1GB card I will be getting the 8800GTS 640 as people on OcUk have told me to get the BFG version as the ATI has to many bad points or not as reliable as the nvidia card.

[Jakg]

Can i have a link to that discussion please?

I've yet to see any proof the ATi is "less reliable" (except the rumour that Pro's were failed XT, which was utterly smashed)

[sam93]

Can i have a link to that discussion please?

I've yet to see any proof the ATi is "less reliable" (except the rumour that Pro's were failed XT, which was utterly smashed)

I will post the link letter as I have to go school now and can't remember what they said but when I get home ill post the link.

[harjun]

I know what PSU I am getting now anyway what will proberly be the 650w corsair one.

Harjun, I don't think you should give out advice on building a pc, fair enough you are building your own now just don't fry it lol :) and plus yes it may be better to get a better OS but there is something called money and a budget but I should be allowed about £1000 for my pc as my dad is getting 6k for taking a bridge down over christmas, so i should be allowed it even though the cprsa is going in to get resprayed - Pictures of the corsa here:http://www.tunermart.com/html/car_ad_detail_page.php?hidId=113

Anyway I know what i will proberly be getting, I am no longer getting the ATI Sapphire 2900 Pro 1GB card I will be getting the 8800GTS 640 as people on OcUk have told me to get the BFG version as the ATI has to many bad points or not as reliable as the nvidia card.
no such thing as a 650w Corsair PSU...its 620W...and thats like, overkill

[sam93]

no such thing as a 650w Corsair PSU...its 620W...and thats like, overkill
Thats the one I ment, I was in a rush when posting those 2 replys as I had to get everything ready quickly else I would of missed the bus.

Jakg here is the part of the discussion where it says about the 2900
Originally Posted by Sam1993
Cheers for that mate, the only 2 things i will change if I got that spec you done is change the graphics card to a ATI Sapphire 2900 pro 1gb and put a asus p5k mobo in, I changed my mind on the graphics card because it is as good and it's cheaper.

(User Reply)
No thats a waste of money, if your going to be spending that much on a GPU go for the 8800GTS 640 version.

The 1GB of Memory on the HD2900XT is just a gimmick, performance is certainly not improved by much and you would be far better going for a better card.

[Jakg]

LOL

The 2900 Pro 1 GB has more memory and outperforms the 8800GTS 640 in most tests, and then you can flash it to an XT...

1 GB might seem a bit much, but it all adds to the resale value.

[sam93]

LOL

The 2900 Pro 1 GB has more memory and outperforms the 8800GTS 640 in most tests, and then you can flash it to an XT...

1 GB might seem a bit much, but it all adds to the resale value.

So you recommand a 2900 then, what area does the 2900 not do well in where as the 8800 does?

I am stuck between 2 brick walls now lol, can't work out what one to get.

[Jakg]

Currently when you add AA the 2900 falls while the 8800 keeps going

There are the same number of nVidia sponsored (where the game is "optimised" for nVidia hardawre) as ATi sponsored games.

The 2900 Pro is an overclocking master (ie it will easily flash to become the £250 XT model).

The drivers will get a bit better, and thus the card will be a little faster, but i'm not expecting an amazing extra amount of performance to be wrung out.

ATi do have a lot better AA quality though - ie on an ATi 4x AA looks about the same as 16x AA on an nVidia card though (from what i've heard), so the big perfomance lossess when you add AA isn't such an issue.

IMO the 2900 Pro is to get back some cash and get a bigger market share for whatever comes next - the 8800's were dominating the DX10-high end, and the long-in-development 2900 XT didn't have good sales.

[sam93]

Currently when you add AA the 2900 falls while the 8800 keeps going

There are the same number of nVidia sponsored (where the game is "optimised" for nVidia hardawre) as ATi sponsored games.

The 2900 Pro is an overclocking master (ie it will easily flash to become the £250 XT model).

The drivers will get a bit better, and thus the card will be a little faster, but i'm not expecting an amazing extra amount of performance to be wrung out.

ATi do have a lot better AA quality though - ie on an ATi 4x AA looks about the same as 16x AA on an nVidia card though (from what i've heard), so the big perfomance lossess when you add AA isn't such an issue.

IMO the 2900 Pro is to get back some cash and get a bigger market share for whatever comes next - the 8800's were dominating the DX10-high end, and the long-in-development 2900 XT didn't have good sales.

So for AA you should get the 8800? Well I will have a look in to it but proberly when I get my money there maybe will be another card out what will be better

[sam93]

What are the difference between these 2 Q6600 Pro Energy Effecient Chips.

It says the cheaper one is the newer version what produces less heat and better for overclocking but it says the same for the more expensive one.

If the cheaper chip has only just came out but is better the more expensive chip what has been out longer why isn't the chip what has been out longer dropped in price?

Here are the links to the 2 chips:
Cheaper one:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-172-IN
Expensive one:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-161-IN

Or is the only difference is that one comes with a heatsink and fan and the other doesn't?

Sam.

[UncleBenny]

the only difference is that one is OEM and one is retail. the retail one comes with the heatsink/fan and the other one doesn't.

personally i don't see the point in getting a quad core cpu right now.

[sam93]

the only difference is that one is OEM and one is retail. the retail one comes with the heatsink/fan and the other one doesn't.

personally i don't see the point in getting a quad core cpu right now.

Well with the programs I run, the Quad Core will come in handy plus being only 15 well its a couple of months till I am 15 I don't have the money to build a new one in a years time, my dad is paying for the one I am going to build so I want to build one what will last for a few years.
A Quad Core will benefit me alot as I like learning to program and I always have loads of applications open at one time.

[Jakg]

OEM has no Heatsink and a 1 year warranty (versus 3 years)

Nowhere has a decent price on the OEM apart from Aria (£150). It's up to you what you want to do

[sam93]

I think I will go with the retail version, so then I get 3 years warrenty and the heatsink and fan.