No "beaming" to pit till car stands still!

[--==Gogo==--]

Ever noticed that people in LfS beam directly to the pit if they are about to crash? I mean the crash cannot be avoided (e.g. they come on grass or something).
You are coming from behind and see that the guy has serious Problem, you brake to pass him but suddenly he's gone to pit.

I don't like that. This beaming to the pit should only be possible if the car stands still.

I bet someone has suggested this before... ;)

[AndroidXP]

Agreed.




Also, add a Star Trek like beam effect :D

[L(Oo)ney]

Or this. :thumb:

ftp://elitesqd.com/_users/lococost/sc.jpg

[AndroidXP]

AHAHAH, yes! :rofl:

[Breizh]

Might make some oval racers less careless.

[eindewege]

I really think that would be a bad idea, at least for now. Since the damage isnt perfect for now, cars that hit a wall fly all over the place and spin wildly. In real life they would break into pieces, and stop spinning much sooner.

Oh yes, this mainly aplies to the oval, other tracks are less dangerous.

And when im testing setups, I pit a lot, stopping the car everytime before I can pit isnt funny.

[--==Gogo==--]

Well OK. For testing this solution is not the best! ;)

But i would really appreciate it during online play.

[LRB_Aly]

How about this: The beaming option should be a server side option so that you could block it (so if you wanna go to pits you have to drive all the way back). Instead of the beaming, If you ran out of fuel or crashed very badly there could be a time out where you can't drive , like in real life racing, it takes time to get a crashed car back in the pits.

P.S. for the ovals a yellow flag that applies on the complete track like in rl should do it. only problem at the moment is that there is no penalty for passing under yellow, at least i never saw such a penalty.

[--==Gogo==--]

I have no problem when people "beam" to the pit after a heavy crash. Or if fuel runs out its the only way to go to the pits. Thats because they start from lap 1 again.

But I don't like it, when people do it BEFORE the crash is over and the car stands still.

Yes, a server-option would be great.

[Fonnybone]

No no, i think we should keep Scawen up there :thumb:
Touch ME !!

[Chin Boy]

Might make some oval racers less careless.

It seems to me that a lot of the oval problems come at the start. Would it be possible to have a rolling start do you think?

[Rotary]

Maybe make it like resetting the car - only works when stopped (or is it up to 5km/h?)

That way they have to either spectate or wait for the car to stop. If spectate, then there should be the option to stop people rejoining the track until race end.

[tinyk]

Ever noticed that people in LfS beam directly to the pit if they are about to crash? I mean the crash cannot be avoided (e.g. they come on grass or something).
You are coming from behind and see that the guy has serious Problem, you brake to pass him but suddenly he's gone to pit.

I don't like that. This beaming to the pit should only be possible if the car stands still.

I bet someone has suggested this before... ;)Would you rather he go ahead and crash and possibly cause you and others to crash too? :) I know the pitting gets annoying because some do it way too often but the beaming to the pit as you call it is very much needed in some cases.

If someone has crashed and it's one of the situations where the car is out of control and may slide into others in the race... by all means he should 'pit' and fast. I Admin our servers a lot and if I see this type of situation happening I spectate the driver. I'd rather have one angry driver mad at me than 5 - 10 others all mad because he ruined the race. :)

People testing and tweaking sets during a race is what can become most annoying especially to those who have low fps anyway. If it gets out of control I ask them to stop and if they don't I have been known to spec them as well and turn midrace join off. :shy: :)

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[boosterfire]

Would you rather he go ahead and crash and possibly cause you and others to crash too? :) I know the pitting gets annoying because some do it way too often but the beaming to the pit as you call it is very much needed in some cases.

If someone has crashed and it's one of the situations where the car is out of control and may slide into others in the race... by all means he should 'pit' and fast. I Admin our servers a lot and if I see this type of situation happening I spectate the driver. I'd rather have one angry driver mad at me than 5 - 10 others all mad because he ruined the race. :)

People testing and tweaking sets during a race is what can become most annoying especially to those who have low fps anyway. If it gets out of control I ask them to stop and if they don't I have been known to spec them as well and turn midrace join off. :shy: :)

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Well... yes that might be usefull sometimes, but it's way beyond reality. What a game need to be good is realism. ''Beaming'' to pits isn't, in all cases. On another hand, it's true that it can be usefull if a n00b****zorz come on the road without any bad intentions, but is about to crash in the leader... then he pits and dissapears of the racetrack, which is a good thing, it's saving the race.

What would be fun is an option to disable the beaming to pits. In league races, or just on servers were people want realism. Then, if a crash happens, it will happen... it's sometimes pissing off, but it helps realism of the game. (IMO) :)

[huxorator]

How about this: The beaming option should be a server side option so that you could block it (so if you wanna go to pits you have to drive all the way back). Instead of the beaming, If you ran out of fuel or crashed very badly there could be a time out where you can't drive , like in real life racing, it takes time to get a crashed car back in the pits.


Sounds good!

[NotAnIllusion]

@tinyk, going to have to agree with boosterfire here. I think it's much better if that sort of beaming wouldn't be allowed (mostly). Yes, sometimes or even often a rather large portion of the racers may be involved, but that is racing. Knowing that there is no option to beam hopefully will make ppl be aware of other racers, drive safely enough and not take insane risks. JMO though I suppose.. :)

[tinyk]

@tinyk, going to have to agree with boosterfire here. I think it's much better if that sort of beaming wouldn't be allowed (mostly). Yes, sometimes or even often a rather large portion of the racers may be involved, but that is racing. Knowing that there is no option to beam hopefully will make ppl be aware of other racers, drive safely enough and not take insane risks. JMO though I suppose.. :)Point taken but even the best of the best have their 'off' periods maybe because of lag or something else... so they 'beam' to pits as well. In a perfect world crashes would happen... people would accept it and go on but for now it doesn't work that way. :) People get so focused on their races that if it's disturbed they sometimes go instantly to name calling and grumbling which only disturbs things even more. :shrug: I've seen some here do it even. :smileypul:D I opt for the peaceful solution and encourage the 'beaming' to keep things running as smoothly as possible. :)

I can understand in league races however where the beaming maybe shouldn't be allowed. If they beam they shouldn't be allowed to rejoin the race at all maybe to keep things 'realistic'. :)

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[NotAnIllusion]

Fair enuff. Maybe it's better to leave it as it is an encourage serious leagues (and some serious public servers :p) to be strict about it! :schwitz:

[Doorman]

Beaming eh? That's the very thing that gets me places. For every driver that 'beams' I move up a slot. Beam me up Scotty :D

[--==Gogo==--]

What would be the correct english word? ;)

If beaming would not be possible maybe people start learning to slow down if something happens in front of them to avoid getting involved...

[Vendetta]

Or this. :thumb:

ftp://elitesqd.com/_users/lococost/sc.jpg


LMAO!!!!!! :rofl: :chairfall

[boosterfire]

What would be the correct english word? ;)

If beaming would not be possible maybe people start learning to slow down if something happens in front of them to avoid getting involved...

I don't think there could be a ''correct'' english word... the car actually doesn't beam anywhere, cause nobody knows where the heck are the pits? (:tilt:) If we supose that they don't really exist, I'd call that ''shifting out of existence''. So, when you press pits, you shift out of existence... :Looking_a

[--==Gogo==--]

I don't think there could be a ''correct'' english word... the car actually doesn't beam anywhere, cause nobody knows where the heck are the pits? (:tilt:) If we supose that they don't really exist, I'd call that ''shifting out of existence''. So, when you press pits, you shift out of existence... :Looking_a

But for no time so it doesn't harm you!:scratchch :nod:

[frokki]

It would be cool if they made disable "beaming" or "shift+s" a server side option for serious races/servers. The 'pits' should be entered by actually driving into the pit box, like you exit there now.

Just my 5 cents.

[boosterfire]

Yeah, that's the point. This is realism... well... maybe the devs are seeing in the futur... we might be able to ''beam'' thing eventually :scratchch

[T.K.Jode]

3 server-side settings for pitting:

Allow instant-pit
Instant-Pit when stopped (or 5km/hr)
No instant-pitting (must drive to pits)

2 Server-side settings for spectating:

Allow instant-spectate
Instant-spectate when pitted

3 Server-side settings for rejoining (2 exist already)

Allow instant-rejoin
Rejoin after specified delay
No mid-race join


I think that'd facilitate just about everyone's requirements, and would make for some interesting combinations (I'd run: Pit when stopped, Instant-spectate when pitted, Rejoin after delay)

:)

[Ardent]

It would be cool if they made disable "beaming" or "shift+s" a server side option for serious races/servers. The 'pits' should be entered by actually driving into the pit box, like you exit there now.

Just my 5 cents.

yes, I want to second that. I'm not a total-realism-freak but I find it disturbing if someone crashes, teleports to pit and gets a brand new car, then comes back out just in front of me and blocks me for half a lap before I can overtake him.
This is really a problem because in almost every race more than half of the racers will do that at least once, some do it every few seconds. I'm not against midrace-join, but if you crash your car, the race should be over for you and you should be forced to drive in the pit yourself and if you can't, forced to spectate.

At Blackwood before I enter the last corner before start/finish, when I read the message "xyz is leaving the pit", I'm always like "omg, please no !!" because I know he will enter the track exactly when I arrive at the hairpin corner apex.

[xapexcivicx]

I call it telepitting.:shy:

[--==Gogo==--]

At Blackwood before I enter the last corner before start/finish, when I read the message "xyz is leaving the pit", I'm always like "omg, please no !!" because I know he will enter the track exactly when I arrive at the hairpin corner apex.

That's the next thing... What about a drive through penalty if the driver crosses the yellow line when exiting the pits!
:scratchch :thumb:

[tailing]

I don't think it's a good idea, sometimes realism just isn't what makes a game enjoyable to play. It's just another one of these many things that isn't exactly "real" but improves the playabilty of LFS. Sure some people abuse it but one of the things that attracts people to LFS is it's get up and go online play, if you screw up you don't have to sit back for the end of the race wasting precious time.
I'm an admin for a league and we don't really need a server side option for this sort of thing either, you have rules and if people brake them they are penalised.
In the end if you want serious racing you'll really only find that in a league. If I'm on a 5 lap pick-up race and crash or get taken out on the first corner I pit and keep going, I don't want to sit on my arse and waste 10 minutes.

[Chaos]

:iagree:
in the Czech League, this is also forbidden and if someone does it he get's DNF.

[Ardent]

It's just another one of these many things that isn't exactly "real" but improves the playabilty of LFS.

It may improve the playability for the crashers but certainly not for those still on the track. After a crash, for whatever reason, you have no chance to catch up again, so what's the point in driving onto the track again ? I honestly see no difference if you sit on your arse and watch, or if you sit on your arse and continue driving out of competion.

Such a serversite option would also make it much more difficult for "professional" wreckers to do their nasty things, since they can only crash once and not destroy the whole race. I see only advantages for that option.

It could maybe be realised by setting the amount of new cars per racer, so you can allow everyone one new car per race, but not unlimited amount.

[Chaos]

I honestly see no difference if you sit on your arse and watch, or if you sit on your arse and continue driving out of competion.
*cough practice *cough

[Liquid Li0n]

thats a great idea and not so difficult to fix i guess

[mrodgers]

I have no problem with the "beaming", "teleporting" whatever to the pits. In public servers, I just hate to end up spinning say, just past the chicane and out of view and end with my car sitting in the middle of the line with burning hot tires that I can't quickly get going straight again seeing the orange dots coming up to my position on the map. The last thing I want to do is have someone wack into me because I couldn't get out of the way and they didn't see me until the last moment that's too late.

As for those who do teleport to the pits and rejoin the race, I always watch the map to make sure noone will be coming up to the end of pit road soon. I wait and pull out behind them unless there is a lot of space to where I'll rejoin the track well ahead. That way I can PRACTICE which I really need.

As for whoever said they cringe when they are coming up to T1 at Blackwood and saw someone leaving the pits.... Here you really should stop before entering the track. There is really no merging onto the track from this pit exit. It's a tough place to merge on. Always check the map for racers and if any are even remotely close, STOP and let them by. Even if there is room, chances are you will be much slower entering the chicane and they will catch you there and you will get in the way. Number 1 priority if you pit out of the race should be NOT to get in the way of ANYONE still out on the track involved in the race.

[ysu]

It may improve the playability for the crashers but certainly not for those still on the track. After a crash, for whatever reason, you have no chance to catch up again, so what's the point in driving onto the track again ? I honestly see no difference if you sit on your arse and watch, or if you sit on your arse and continue driving out of competion.
Have you played with GTR? Have you seen the enormous amount of people 'migrating' among servers? Have you ever finished a game alone or with 2 others on the whole track when there were 20 people on the grid initially?

These are the reasons it'd be a good idea to support serious league races only. But there it's not that important anyway, we can keep our rules.

On public servers it would only result in servers emptying quickly IMHO. You can achieve an empty server by simply kicking everyone and passwording it, it does not require all the extra coding :-)