LX8? canned?

[chin chaw]

I was reading about the cars in lfs and it said there was a "lx8" and it was canned. can some1 give me a pic of it and tell me why it was canned?

thx

[Rotary]

It was canned and replaced by the UF GTR. In a nutshell, it was declared to difficult to drive and there were already to many RWD cars added to S2 (as if!!). Personally I would have loved to have the chance to decide that for myself - I wanted that car more than anything in S2, from the moment I saw it's first screenie.

Who could not love trying to tame a topless light-weight vehicle, V8 powered, no downforce, and with fat slicks?? :D :D

This is the thread about it in the old RSC LFS forum (http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=209524)

ARGH Link not working!!.. ok ignore, it's fine now.

[SkyNet]

Imho i'd like to see the LX8 in S2 full. We got road cars and their racing (GTR) versions, only the LX cars don't have their GTR version.

[Nevermore]

(member.php?u=67701)CHIN CHAW!!! REMOVE YOUR SIGNATURE LINK! NOW

People: DO NOT CLICK ON THAT LINK (SHOCKING)

[ayrton senna 87]

argh, saying that just begs us to click on it...

big red button saying "dont push me", what do u do?

pls remove before i click it

[gloom]

I already reported the sig to the mods, really don`t need such sick bs here.

[Nevermore]

That was the first thing I did :)

[L(Oo)ney]

(SHOCKING)


The only thing that's shocking, is the size of your text. :rolleyes:

[ayrton senna 87]

too late...

trust me dont click it

[chin chaw]

CHIN CHAW!!! REMOVE YOUR SIGNATURE LINK! NOW

People: DO NOT CLICK ON THAT LINK (SHOCKING)





lol did u know he died? if u ask me he deserved to die standing in the middle of the freakin road

http://www.liveforspeed.net/page_images/content_images/content_lx8.gifHeres a pic of it that i found

[snewham]

lol, you have to admit it is moderately amusing though?? :P

[Nevermore]

lol, you have to admit it is moderately amusing though?? :P

Yes, if you think certain death is amusing :(

[L(Oo)ney]

http://www.liveforspeed.net/page_images/content_images/content_lx8.gifHeres a pic of it that i found

Here ya go, they havent removed the files from the site.

http://www.liveforspeed.net/?page=contents&car=lx8_gtr

Won't be that hard to create something similar to that with LFS tweak + Slick mod. ;)

[inCogNito]

In a nutshell, it was declared to difficult to drive and there were already to many RWD cars added to S2 (as if!!).

no, the official explanation was, that the LX8 would have been its own class without competition, so they introduced the UFR as a competitor for the XFR.

That it's too difficult to drive may be the real reason though.


lol, you have to admit it is moderately amusing though?? :P

what the ****? :pillepall

putting that link in a sig is one thing, but to find it amusing is just dumb... :really:

[ayrton senna 87]

i doubt he died, just very badly broken legs and shock, he didnt hit his head on the car or anything.

but we shouldnt have to see that on lfs forum me thinks...

[Rotary]

I've seen that before (and worse unfortunately), certainly not something appropriate for here and should be removed.

Finding it amusing is somewhat distrubing, do people really put so little value in others lives? Funny if the situation was reversed...

I believe your right ayrton, from memory, I think he did only suffer broken legs.

On Topic:

@ inCogNito: Oh yeah I remember now. Those reasons I stated are what some people believed to be the real ones :)

[Bob Smith]

Sorry what was the topic again?

It's a shame about the LX8, especially considering how horrible the XF/UF GTR handle.

Probably be the first thing I do when LFSTweakS2 is launched.

[Qurpiz]

It's a shame about the LX8, especially considering how horrible the XF/UF GTR handle.


I think UFR is a great car, and would be even more if we'd have rally-cross tyres for it... (I know there's a mod for it...)
But I just can't understand why there couldn't be both, UFR and LX8, giving us 11 cars in S2 :shrug: except that they wouldn't be correctly lined up in Content-page.
I wasn't a big fan of lx's, until you Bob made those easy race-setups, now I actuelly enjoy driving'em.

[Janezki]

chin chaw: I edited your signature because it violates the LFS Forum Agreement (part 3).
If you want to change it to another, you can do so, but please keep it within the forum rules. :thumbsup:

[Blackout]

I really would like to see LX8 remaked, before it was canceled it just looked same as LX6 (what could have been one reason to cancel it), it only had bigger engine, slicks and exhaust pipes on both sides. Why not put the driver in the midle, bigger roll cage, and do something to the headlights so they would look like more aerodynamic and above all make it look more like a racer... It would have been a mad car thought, I wonder what was the horsepower/1000kg :D

[MyBoss]

Incognito, your avatar is amuzing, lol.

[chin chaw]

i doubt he died, just very badly broken legs and shock, he didnt hit his head on the car or anything.

but we shouldnt have to see that on lfs forum me thinks...

He DID die

[hrtburnout]

what happened?

[Fordman]

The LX8 got dropped from S2, and we was discussing where pictures of it could be found.

Move along People, Nothing to see around here

[anbiddulph]

Here ya go, they havent removed the files from the site.

http://www.liveforspeed.net/?page=contents&car=lx8_gtr

Won't be that hard to create something similar to that with LFS tweak + Slick mod. ;)
you can only use lfs tweak on demo cars

[sgt.flippy]

Check the date mate!

[Blackout]

And they have finally removed the pics from the site too, I think its burried :(

[Don]

i think it looked the same as lx6, just with exhausts on both sides

http://www.liveforspeed.cz/galerie/s226.jpg
http://www.liveforspeed.cz/galerie/s225.jpg
http://www.liveforspeed.cz/galerie/s224.jpg
http://www.liveforspeed.cz/galerie/s221.jpg

[sgt.flippy]

Yup, only difference is that exhaust pipe, the complete skin is the same btw, looking at your second pic, the skin was meant for the LX6

[SpaceMarineITA]

It would be nice if they will reintroduce LX8 with S2 Final :)
Maybe with the new tyre physic will be drivable

[hrtburnout]

I guess my hope has been for nothing :(

Maybe Eric's been working on one? I hope so, he's been silent for too long :(

[herki]

Oh, I really would love to see it in S2-final (or earlier ;) ). It could be tweaked that it could compete in the GTR-class, or it could get yet another "road-car with slicks" for a 2-car class :thumb:

[wark]

i think it looked the same as lx6, just with exhausts on both sides
Yup, only difference is that exhaust pipe

Excepting the rear fender flares...

[RoCkBiGdAvE]

Me wants that :P

Along with a LX GTR car, LFS needs another 4WD GTR, RB GTR would be sensational :D

[deggis]

I still wonder that wouldn't LX8 be pretty unrealistic when LX4 is now the road version and LX6 already a race-tuned version?

[Shinanigans]

Well, i don't know what happened to his original sig picture... but that roflcopter game is great :thumb::D:hyper:

[SpaceMarineITA]

I still wonder that wouldn't LX8 be pretty unrealistic when LX4 is now the road version and LX6 already a race-tuned version?

LX6 isnt a race tuned version, but just a more powerful version. (it hasn't slicks)

LX4, LX6 and LX8 are between them exactly like XRG, XRT and XRR

[Racer Y]

To be honest, I'd a rather had an LX8 than the BMW :)
I would like to see it competing with the GTR cars.
Yeah, it would have to be a real V8 like a 5 1/2" liter
and two 4bbl carberators... something old school, yet competitive.

[ajp71]

Oh, I really would love to see it in S2-final (or earlier ;) ). It could be tweaked that it could compete in the GTR-class, or it could get yet another "road-car with slicks" for a 2-car class :thumb:


I still wonder that wouldn't LX8 be pretty unrealistic when LX4 is now the road version and LX6 already a race-tuned version?

I have no clue where the devs got the idea of a 1.8 straight 6 from, sounds gorgeous though. The LX6 is comparable to the fastest K series engined Caterhams and probably similar to the Westfield Megabusa but not as fast as the Vauxhaul Lotus Caterhams (don't think the factory has ever offered them). If the LX8 was to be at all realistic then it would probably have a Rover V8 (like the Westfield) because the chassis would never take a small block and racing V8s like in the FO8 are in a different league. If it's like RL the LX8 should struggle to be any faster than the LX6 (even with slicks) because the V8 is bulky and heavy (well actually very light by V8 standards but still heavier than a 4 pot) and stiffness will be an issue just like it is IRL and that's why the Westfield SEights aren't normally raced. There are fundamental limitations with the Lotus 7/Caterham design that mean that it will never be as quick as the GTR cars, even that German one with wings will never really get much faster than the FOX type speeds.

[ajp71]

Yeah, it would have to be a real V8 like a 5 1/2" liter


For that you'll have to look on your side of the pond... or a Cobra would do the job.

[JeffR]

I would redo the LX series and not base it on number of cylinders, but instead on power. Caterhams are available with horsepower from 120hp (only classic has 105hp) to the 260hp CSR 260, all with very light 4 cylinder engines: http://www.caterham.co.uk/showroom/index.htm.

Since these are the current cars, LFS should model these, not the cars of the past. If there are to be 3 different LX's, then I'd recommend 140hp, 200hp, and 260hp. The 260hp version should have bias ply slicks, as these are often used for wheel to wheel racing. The CSR 260 includes a dry sump oil system so it can deal with the conering forces from slicks.

[Bob Smith]

Agree with you there Jeff, although for variety why not:
* One standard four banger
* One bike engined LX
* One V8 LX

[anbiddulph]

Agree with you there Jeff, although for variety why not:
* One standard four banger
* One bike engined LX
* One V8 LX
westfield (car company) put a 4.0l v8 in a caterham (oly had 200hp):nod:

[RedQuad]

:thumb: http://www.donkervoort.de/# like to have that one...

[TomNémeti]

Caterham CSR 260

http://www.caterham.co.uk/images/showroom/detail/csr_03.jpg

[Bob Smith]

westfield (car company) put a 4.0l v8 in a caterham (oly had 200hp):nod:
I know, my Dad built one. ;)

[JeffR]

Agree with you there Jeff, although for variety why not:
* One standard four banger
* One bike engined LX
* One V8 LX

There are equivalents with the regular motors:

Standard 4 banger - 140hp

Bike Engine - Busa at 175hp, or ZX14 at about 190hp, close enough to 200hp.

V8 LX - although Cosworth tunes the Duratec to 260hp, more can be had.

Note that the Duratec motor is very light, 50 lbs lighter than the Zetec it replaced for the Caterhams.

[JeffR]

:thumb: http://www.donkervoort.de/# like to have that one...At that point, might as well get a radical, especially the SR8 (V8 made from 2 Hayabusa motorcycle heads with a custom lower end making 360hp).

http://www.radicalsportscars.com/range/sr8/index.php

[ajp71]

V8 LX - although Cosworth tunes the Duratec to 260hp, more can be had.

Well the Rover engine can be tuned to 400bhp reliably in road legal (minus emmissions) and 24 hour race worth state. Although I think if a standard Seight is over engined then this may be a bit of a handful :D

[SpaceMarineITA]

Anyway, whatever engine it will use, seems that all agree on adding an LX8 here! :thumb:

[JeffR]

Well the Rover engine can be tuned to 400bhp reliably in road legal (minus emmissions) and 24 hour race worth state. Although I think if a standard Seight is over engined then this may be a bit of a handful Note that the 1967 Formula 1 cars ran 400+hp on 1300lb cars. With modern tire compounds, the cars would be a bit easier to handle, but still difficult.

[Hyperactive]

I couldn't care less for the LX8

But just because I don't want it I wouldn't have to use it. I am still waiting for the RAC&FZ50 and LX6 to be fun to drive. They are still amazingly unstable at higher speeds.

Give us something with >700hp, slicks, rwd and lots of aero... ;)

[Hallen]

Of course they are, that's the best bit. When I get one of the Formulas over 100mph I know I'm in safe territory, but when I get the LX6 over 100mph I know the slightest bump is going to upset it - that's what's fun about it!

The RAC and FZ5, admittedly, I don't drive online, but I have had fun with them offline and can see myself driving them more in future.

Off Topic
That is your set, not the car. I found the LX6 to be plenty stable at higher speeds. KY2 on the oval section you can stay flat out the whole way around.

On Topic
Any other rear wheel car would be great. Something in the range of the FXR would be great.

[ajp71]

Note that the 1967 Formula 1 cars ran 400+hp on 1300lb cars. With modern tire compounds, the cars would be a bit easier to handle, but still difficult.

Firstly they were very difficult to drive but they were better suited to a big engine because:

- The engines were smaller than a Rover V8 with a neat gearbox/diff coming straight out the back and some of the cars had the engine as a stressed member.

- They were using monocoque chassis which gave more stiffness.

- The treaded racing tires they ran would have given a lot more than a modern road tire.

-They used to be driven at very fast tracks, look at how the laptimes of GPL 65/67 on GPL rank are less than a second apart at a tight track like Cadwell.

- Having a load of bloody good drivers helps as well ;)

[Blackout]

What part do you mean?
edit. This one? That ain't that bad, and why should a car be stable all the time. It's the part of the fun with the LX6 that it want's to kill you every now ant then when it sees a bumb :)

[SpaceMarineITA]

Give us something with >700hp, slicks, rwd and lots of aero... ;)

BF1? :pillepall

[Jakg]

What part do you mean?
edit. This one?or just go round the chicane at so1, stamp the throttle and get wheelspin, and just as you get the car straight you hit the bumps!

[Blackout]

or just go round the chicane at so1, stamp the throttle and get wheelspin, and just as you get the car straight you hit the bumps!

Don't do like that if it messes up your lap then :razz:
I've noticed that the LX6 is easy car to really overdrive, for me it usually means I understeer a lot and I don't like that and then Im in trouble. Litle oversteer is fine with this car :)

[herki]

What part do you mean?
edit. This one? That ain't that bad, and why should a car be stable all the time. It's the part of the fun with the LX6 that it want's to kill you every now ant then when it sees a bumb :)
http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=12977&d=1152720213

isn't that part awfully dangerous? all traffic lights are green...

[Blackout]

Yes, don't know what the engineers have thought when they programmed those lights :pillepall Best way to go there is to stop and listen if there is anyone coming...

[BlakjeKaas]

Hmmm....

Why would they can a car, which is done...?

[ajp71]

Hmmm....

Why would they can a car, which is done...?

Because it wasn't drivable, to save content for S3, and maybe because it was unrealisticly quick compared to the LX6.

[JeffR]

LX8 - Because it wasn't drivablewith the revised tyre physicsI agree, the fixes to the tire physics in T and later versions of S2 mostly solved this issue.

The real Caterham CSR 260 has 260hp, and it's not a death trap. LFS should have something equivalent to this, and being the top LX, it should have slicks (assuming that there would be 3 LX's).

[Breizh]

Yeah, canning the LX6 to introduce the 8 would make everyone real happy :tilt:

[Hyperactive]

BF1? :pillepall


With a roof :razz:

[SpaceMarineITA]

With a roof :razz:

Steal the umbrella to the umbrella girls at start... :D

[Belain]

we already drove the lx6 with slick mod...and its just sooooo awesome :)
u have grip like hell and its so much fun also :)

with some more hp makin it a lil more difficult i think it would give us an awesome car :)

[scania]

I want LX GTR more than LX8

[xWolFx]

yes but the LX8 is basically the LXR because there is no point in making an LX8 as it will be the gtr, same as XRG-XRT-XRR

[the_angry_angel]

Retro posting!

there is no point in making an LX8 as it will be the gtr, same as XRG-XRT-XRRSorry, but that makes no sense what-so-ever :confused:

[Primoz]

Why not just change the engine in the 6 from 2,0 to 3,2. 330 BHP and thats it. *cough*S54*cough* :D

THAT would be a death trap.

[Vendetta]

i still dont get why someone wouldNT vote for both!?!?

[Shotglass]

canned ? scavier sold the lx8 to isi ?

now lets see how long it takes for an rfactor fan who fails to see the humor to turn up

im still hoping well see the lx8 in time now that we have much better tyre modeling

[skstibi]

There are many cars with NO true competition. The BF1, FOX, FO8, MRT, UF1... I think the LX8 would be a good competition for the FO8 if it has a true V8 with about 400-450BHP. :shrug:

Hate to say this but the ONLY front wheel drive car I can drive is the UFR and I am still scared S***LESS!!! In my opinion, I don't think driving the LX8 would be any worse to drive than the UFR or the XFR. :shrug:
I can sure as heck drive the LX6 better than I can the Front wheel drive cars.:pillepall

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

canned ? scavier sold the lx8 to isi ?


:D :x

[Flotch]

Hate to say this but the ONLY front wheel drive car I can drive is the UFR and I am still scared S***LESS!!! In my opinion, I don't think driving the LX8 would be any worse to drive than the UFR or the XFR. :shrug:
I can sure as heck drive the LX6 better than I can the Front wheel drive cars.:pillepall
whatttttt? The ufr is great and quite easy to drive : light and quite powerfull :thumb:(but you have to do a good setup, like for every car)

PS : I want to see the 'LX8 GTR' (yes, LX8-LXR is the same car, remember)too, and don't forget that LX6 - Rac- FZ5 are not really in a class!!

[CJ Ice]

There is nothing to see on that page
Only renders from modified cars.

[BlakjeKaas]

Ah well...

Maybe it will come back...?

170 vs. 178
lol

[csurdongulos]

I think the LX8 would be a good competition for the FO8 if it has a true V8 with about 400-450BHP. :shrug:

how would that be possible without wings attached generating downforce?

[Resound]

Firstly they were very difficult to drive but they were better suited to a big engine because:

- The engines were smaller than a Rover V8 with a neat gearbox/diff coming straight out the back and some of the cars had the engine as a stressed member.


And which block did you think that Repco-Brabham engine was based on?

[skstibi]

how would that be possible without wings attached generating downforce?

Ok, It would be an interesting race. LX8 faster on the straights and the FO8 faster in the turns. :smileypul

[Primoz]

Not really... The LX8 would maybe win on the oval. Maybe.

[sinbad]

Not really... The LX8 would maybe win on the oval. Maybe.

I doubt it. If the LX8 was as fast as the F08 on the straights, which would be a seriously mega-mega-mega-fast "7", then there would be a fair of slowing down to do for that final corner without the wings to help out :)

I think they should "can" the LX8, and just make a proper 4 cylinder racing 7, and do it properly. Find the specs of the CSR260 race-cars and copy them, and the exterior changes too.

[Crazy Harry]

Imho i'd like to see the LX8 in S2 full. We got road cars and their racing (GTR) versions, only the LX cars don't have their GTR version.


A lil´ OT but I really would like to have a GTR version of the RB4. :)

[RevengeR]

A lil´ OT but I really would like to have a GTR version of the RB4. :)
why? theres the fxr with 4WD..

[Crazy Harry]

Because imho RB4 looks so much better. :tilt:

[Hyperactive]

Because imho RB4 looks so much better. :tilt:

But has almost exactly the same specs :)

[bbman]

A lil´ OT but I really would like to have a GTR version of the RB4. :)

Not before I get a RAR (RAC GTR)! Now THAT's a sexy car! :tilt:

[Crazy Harry]

Yeah, beautyful lady rides. :D

[bbman]

I was thinking more in terms of these:

http://www.zt-racing.com/gallery/GotiKGotcha_3D_RBR_Factory_Leo.jpg
Credit to Zockertempel and Orion respectively...

[CJ Ice]

These cars are crazy:D
I heard Ra exists fo real, is it true?
If it's true, i need one:D

And we need gtr version in lfs that no have yet:D

[herki]

http://www.raceabout.fi/index2.php
Don't know, does it look real to you ;)

[CJ Ice]

For raceabout It was good advertising to being in lfs, i think.
I think not so many is made.

[Tege]

Does anyone know how many Raceabouts they built? Was it a one-off or did they produce a few of them?
Since know one else has answered to this... Only one is made which has been improved over the years.

[[RCG]Boosted]

Since know one else has answered to this... Only one is made which has been improved over the years.

and i own it! i wish!!!!! :thumb:

[K.David]

The LX8 would be more powerful than to be the RWD competition for the UFR and XFR, right? Guess it would make its own class like the UF1.
However it may be, I want it badly :schwitz:

[CodieMorgan]

This FO8 thing.. even though outdated....

but point boils!!!


Open Wheel Racecars do not COMPETE or COMPARE to ROADCARS!
s'nuff !

[hrtburnout]

And that bump was useful because....

[XCNuse]

Codie, enough with bumping all of the LX8 threads. If you have nothing important to bring up, then don't bring it up, if there is something that hasn't been pointed out before, then bring it up in a new thread, these threads are extremely dated and physics were totally different back then. Comparisons then can't even be considered comparisons to the physics now.

[LFSn00b]

Maybe if the LX8 will race with RA GTR, like "Open roof" GTRs?

[Breizh]

No downforce on those would be great.

[Syfoon]

I disagreed on a GTR'd LX.

The closest thing to a GTR style Caterham is... erm... anyone?

I dunno, I don't think there is one. But it wouldn't fit in with what we associate a GTR car to be, and it'd have to undergo radical changes to be like one. Like a solid roof, for a start.

Just slapping a big engine and slicks onto an LX doesn't make a GTR car.

RB GTR would be sensational though.

[DasBoeseC]

I disagreed on a GTR'd LX.

The closest thing to a GTR style Caterham is... erm... anyone?

The Black Brick: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=435746#post435746


BTW - I would rather like a LX Racecar, similar to the Caterham CSR260 used in the Eurocup Racing series, than a LX8 GTR as it was planed ;)

CU, Sebastian

[Hammerdown]

It would be great to have race tyres on an LX6, let alone a V8 or downforce.

[thisnameistaken]

Given how fast most corners are on LFS tracks, I'd rather not see slicks on the LX8 if it ever does make an appearance in public. The only challenge on R2s would be keeping the rears cool, and that would mean driving like a grandma, which would take all the fun out of it.

I'd much rather see another LX like the ones we've got (albeit with a cage, no windscreen, taped headlamps and whatever else it ought to have for the track) but with even more power and pretty much the same amount of grip.

[srdsprinter]

Despite the naysayers-

Slicks would not ruin the LX, it would just make it faster while preserving the nature of the car. i.e. Very Fun and balanced.

Sebastian hit the nail on the head. CSR260 FTW.

If our GTR class is to expand, then RAC GTR is the logical choice.

[gohfeld23]

IMO, the only thing we need are slicks and a cage on the LX6 and just call it LXR or something in that nature. i don't believe it needs to be in a class other then it's own, although I'd love to see the RAC get race ready as well (maybe they could compete)

IMO, the LX cars are the most fun in the whole game, if raced on a hard track (South City, Fern bay, etc) as they are not meant for high-speed racing but rather maneuverability. Slap some slicks on them and you got an amazing car.

[The Very End]

As people say above here, it would be great with the LX8 with slicks.
Why can`t it just be in it`s own class? Or the same class as the formula cars or something.
I know this is wrong, but if it`s too fast and doesn`t fit in any other of the classes it could of course be in a class for itself :)

But, that is daydreaming, because the car will never actual be released anyway :/

OH COMON, PLEASE PLEEEEEEEASE release it...

[J_Matrix]

Yeah, beautyful lady rides. :D

Definitely YES :nod::nod::nod:

[Breizh]

If our GTR class is to expand, then RAC GTR is the logical choice.
Which would be awesome except for it using yet another inline-four.

[pb32000]

You can try the LX6 on slicks with kegetys slickmod. On R1s the grip is immense, rock solid.

[Naix]

Hi pb32000,

The slickmod does not work anymore on the latest version (until U), do you have a working version with patch X, please ?

Cheers

[harjun]

chin chaw: I edited your signature because it violates the LFS Forum Agreement (part 3).
If you want to change it to another, you can do so, but please keep it within the forum rules. :thumbsup:
how did you edit it, you are not a moderator? :(

[R1K89]

It was canned and replaced by the UF GTR. In a nutshell, it was declared to difficult to drive and there were already to many RWD cars added to S2 (as if!!). Personally I would have loved to have the chance to decide that for myself - I wanted that car more than anything in S2, from the moment I saw it's first screenie.

Who could not love trying to tame a topless light-weight vehicle, V8 powered, no downforce, and with fat slicks?? :D :D

This is the thread about it in the old RSC LFS forum (http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=209524)

ARGH Link not working!!.. ok ignore, it's fine now.
Something about that thread made me laugh. Look at the first reply; people are talking about S3 since about 06-2005 :D (date of reply) And now people are still talking about S3:scratchch , i doubt that it is going to be released someday :shrug:

[thisnameistaken]

how did you edit it, you are not a moderator? :(

Perhaps he was in August 2005 when he made that post?

:chair:

[Jakg]

how did you edit it, you are not a moderator? :(he used to be, though.

He gave it up due to lack of time

[The Very End]

¨We can at least dream and hope that maybe the dev`s will suprise us and release it with S3 or something. But yet again,thats porbally years on in the future!

[K.David]

¨We can at least dream and hope that maybe the dev`s will suprise us and release it with S3 or something. But yet again,thats porbally years on in the future!
But that's just it, the LX8 is already done so no work needs to be done to it to include it in an incompatible patch.
Actually I don't see why we don't already have it, I mean the FO8 was included in S2 even though it was impossible to drive it with those physics so is something being hard to drive really an excuse? :scratchch
I'm dreaming of getting the dp and the lx8 in Y :|

[thisnameistaken]

Well thanks to downforce the FO8 was a pussycat as soon as you got it over about 80mph, it was only the slow corners where you had to be careful not to increase throttle at all or it would change ends. There are only three or four corners in LFS that you need to slow down that much for in the FO8.

(exaggeration FTW)

[The Very End]

But that's just it, the LX8 is already done so no work needs to be done to it to include it in an incompatible patch.
Actually I don't see why we don't already have it, I mean the FO8 was included in S2 even though it was impossible to drive it with those physics so is something being hard to drive really an excuse? :scratchch
I'm dreaming of getting the dp and the lx8 in Y :|

What I means is that they probally had to wait to release it in S3, because then we would get more cars, and it could finally find it class to fit in :)
But yet again, it`s only me that daydreams, something I do quite often hrmpf -.-

[srdsprinter]

Talking in White FTW.

[The Very End]

Talking in White FTW.

Yea, talking in blue FTW aswell -.-

[Blackout]

Locked threads FTW!

[srdsprinter]

Back on topic:

How much would you pay for a can of LX8?

I don't support canned LX8, as LX8 nets are killing the dolphins!

[The Very End]

And what did that mean?
I did not understand anything of that, but yet again, my english is pretty crap.

But, maybe we can "buy" the car back in LFS? ;) If we all gives the Dev`s 1$ each, then they maybe would think twice :tilt:

[srdsprinter]

Sorry if it is a little tricky translation.

Tuna Fish comes canned (round tin), but catching the tuna they use nets that kill dolphins (boo hoo). Therefore I do not support canned tuna or canned LX8 in this case.

No Canned LX8!

[The Very End]

:schwitz:Eh...what...erhm...
Neverming :x

[Lible]

Sorry to brign this back

http://www.soov.ee/soov-images/0710/26/1729427.lview.JPEG

[The Very End]

Noo, don`t tease my mind!! :(

[ultrataco]

Sorry to brign this back

http://www.soov.ee/soov-images/0710/26/1729427.lview.JPEG

:scratchch

[Ilpav]

I would like the LX8 to be in LFS, but with the current cars, it can't be compared to anything; The LX6 compares with the FZ50 and the RAC. If they make the LX8, they should also make a two more V8's like a mid-engined V8 (Ferrari F430) and a big powerful V8 coupe (Mercedes CL63/SL63).

[squidhead]

If they make the LX8, they should also make a two more V8's like a mid-engined V8 (Ferrari F430) and a big powerful V8 coupe (Mercedes CL63/SL63).

youre talking my language :) :thumb:

[gohfeld23]

Sorry to brign this back

http://www.soov.ee/soov-images/0710/26/1729427.lview.JPEG

Ah that just warms my heart.

As for LX8, while it would be fun to have but id much rather prefer track editions of Lx4 and 6.
Im also one of those people that don't see it necessary to have a class match for every car. FOX and BF1 seem to be doing just fine on their own.

One thing that would have to be improved on is lateral tyre grip and slow speed grip before a bigger monster then the lx6 is included.
Otherwise it would be too unrealistic in terms of behavior.

[JeffR]

Ok, an actual video, although a short one, of the LX8, not much to see, but the engine sound was better than the LX6.

lx8.wmv (http://jeffareid.net/lfs/lx8.wmv)

Another very short video of a real Caterham that eventually made 250hp, but was rev limited to 7200 rpm / 225hp in this video. The car is now in San Francisco. At least you'll get an idea of the sound of the real thing:

cat1.wmv (http://jeffareid.net/real/cat1.wmv)


As mentioned, Caterham is now promoting a race series for the CSR 260, that includes the usage of slicks. Note that the engines are Ford Duratec 2.3 liter 4 cylinder engines. Cosworth does the mods, but I'm not sure where the mods are done for the UK cars. There's a Cosworth in Long Beach California that does the mods for the same Ford Duratec engines in Californnia, and possibly for most of the USA based Caterham CSR 260's.

There is a Caterham CSR 330 prototype, using a supercharged 2.3 liter Duratec:

Caterham x330 (http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/caterham_x330.asp)

More realistic is the fact that the Champ Car Mazda Atlantic series is also based on the same Ford Duratec 2.3 liter (called Mazda MZR, but it's the same engine) modified by Cosworth in Long Beach, Califonia, but these engine produce 300hp (they don't have to last as long), and these could be used in racing Caterhams along with a stronger drive train. The Champ Atlantic cars have a top speed of 175mph (significant downforce, else top speed would be even higher). Think of these as the modern day equivalent of Indy Light race cars before IRL, and CART split up into two groups:

Champ Car Atlantic (http://www.champcaratlantic.com/Atlantic101/FastFacts.asp)

Race 07 includes a CSR 200, CSR 260, and a CSR 320 (not quite the 330, but close). CSR 320 video: r07obc3.wmv (http://jeffareid.net/r07/r07obc3.wmv)

Although 0 to 60mph is very fast and 0 to 100mph is also quick, the high drag factor of the Caterham body limits top speed of the CSR 260 to about 155mph. The CSR260 isn't cheap, it costs almost as much as a Corvette Z06, and the Z06 includes extras, like real doors, a roof, ...

[BlakjeKaas]

Ok, an actual video, although a short one, of the LX8, not much to see, but the engine sound was better than the LX6.

lx8.wmv (http://jeffareid.net/lfs/lx8.wmv)



If that is the sound of a LX8, then this is a LX8 too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDuhf03XdDA

[JeffR]

Thanks for the link. Looked like there were exhaust pipes on both sides of the car so it would be an LX8. Good find. I wasn't aware that anyone had made any other videos of the LX8 in action.

Still it would be nice for LFS to update it's cars to somewhat resemble their real world counter parts. Since the Caterham is the most popular LX like car, it would be my preference to choose the three common values for power: 140hp, 200hp, 260hp. If LFS can include a F1 race car in a class of it's own, why not update the LX's?

Should LFS be a game of the past or the present?

[Flotch]

If that is the sound of a LX8, then this is a LX8 too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDuhf03XdDA
where has this video been taken??? :scratchch
I never saw it before today :really:

[The Very End]

Wonder the same, the video is new to me too :shrug:

[BlakjeKaas]

new to me too, it was just a quick search on youtube. =P

[imthebestracerthereis]

That video is ooooooold! Its too bad I didn't backup my lx8 stuff when I reformatted (;))

-5 lx8

+5 RB GTR

[BlakjeKaas]

Why don't you want a LX8 GTR?

RB GTR would be cool too (alldifferent kinds of cars on GTR servers =D)

[imthebestracerthereis]

I dont like LX's in general

[The Very End]

I dont like LX's in general

Neighter do I. But I would love to see the Lx8 in a GTR version. A Lx with slicks would be a fun and challenging car to drive.

But I guess we just have to stick with the dream, it`s not going to get released, get over it :/

[DasBoeseC]

The CSR260 isn't cheap, it costs almost as much as a Corvette Z06, and the Z06 includes extras, like real doors, a roof, ...

Might be true in the USA, but in Germany the Vette is pretty close to 80.000,- € while the CSR260 is less than 68.000,- €.

.....and I doubt that the Z06 would be a real match for the CSR260 in track-performance as long as the track doesn't consist of many comparably long straights.....even though I know that the Z06 is said to be the best handling Vette ever and outperfoms many cars that are far more expensive ;)

CU, Sebastian

[JeffR]

.....and I doubt that the Z06 would be a real match for the CSR260 in track-performance as long as the track doesn't consist of many comparably long straightsCornering grip for both cars is limited to how sticky the tires are. The Caterham, being lighter, can run stickier tires than the Z06. The slicks for the Caterham put it around 1.4 to 1.5 g's of conering, while the Z06 with slicks will be around 1.3gs. Although the Caterham has a better power to weight ratio, it's relatively high drag coefficent (.7 verus the Z06's .34), means the Z06 accelerates faster around 80mph or so.

The Caterham is faster on autocross type tracks, but the higher speeds at most racing tracks is enough that the Z06's faster acceleration above 80mph makes up for the Caterham's better handling. Willow Springs (California) longest straight is only about 1/4 mile, but the slowest turn is 60mph and the fastest about 120mph. The Z06 wins on this track, but not by much.

[Hyperactive]

Special offer! Buy 1, get 1 free!

[The Very End]

Special offer! Buy 1, get 1 free!

:ices_rofl
Meh wants!

[Bob Smith]

I dug up an old shot (http://lfs.thefloatingwidget.net/pics/LX8spec.jpg) of the specs of the beast and can confirm things could be getting saucy on the horizon (http://lfs.thefloatingwidget.net/pics/lx8evil.JPG).

[shiny_red_cobra]

Hmmm 3 liter V8, 345 bhp, and only 659 kg? Good for making donuts, but other than that it's undrivable with the current tire physics.

[Shotglass]

race y ? RACE Y ???

[dawesdust_12]

You sneaky bugger Bob... :p

[Tweaker]

I dug up an old shot (http://lfs.thefloatingwidget.net/pics/LX8spec.jpg) of the specs of the beast and can confirm things could be getting saucy on the horizon (http://lfs.thefloatingwidget.net/pics/lx8evil.JPG).
By the looks of it, tire size needs to be wider if you want to recreate the LX8 :) :smileypul

[srdsprinter]

I dug up an old shot (http://lfs.thefloatingwidget.net/pics/LX8spec.jpg) of the specs of the beast and can confirm things could be getting saucy on the horizon (http://lfs.thefloatingwidget.net/pics/lx8evil.JPG).
Dude... Hand of Evil Mod...

[JeffR]

What surprises me is the apparent interest in the LX8, yet no plans to include it in LFS. Why not give the players what they want?

[Bob Smith]

Hmmm 3 liter V8, 345 bhp, and only 659 kg? Good for making donuts, but other than that it's undrivable with the current tire physics.
A post that would have been very true at the time just before the LX8 got scrapped, but oh my, not any more.

By the looks of it, tire size needs to be wider if you want to recreate the LX8 :) :smileypul
Using 265/40/16s at the rear, that not wide enough? 205/50/16s at the front.

[Tweaker]

Teh massiveness is shown here: http://www.lfs.net/page_images/screenshots/anni33.jpg

[tristancliffe]

Hmmm 3 liter V8, 345 bhp, and only 659 kg? Good for making donuts, but other than that it's undrivable with the current tire physics.

Why? The Sauber is quite easy without traction control, and that's got more power and less weight. The FormulaV8 is quite easy to drive, and that's got more power and less weight. What is so special about 345hp and 659kg that will make it undriveable?

So you have to slow down for the corners. I hardly think it'll be undrivable, but I'm sure you'll need to keep your wits about you when pushing hard. We'll find out I suppose.

[Blackout]

Ben is such a tease, have I told how handsome you are too?

I wonder if the reason they scrapped it was the ridiculous speed it would achieve, I mean, it's basically a box on wheels meaning it shouldn't be that aerodynamical. What is the top speed of that thing oh the handsome Benbob the modder mod?

Great magic front suspension arms by the way!

:shy:

[The Very End]

Why? The Sauber is quite easy without traction control, and that's got more power and less weight. The FormulaV8 is quite easy to drive, and that's got more power and less weight. What is so special about 345hp and 659kg that will make it undriveable?

As far as I understood there is no wings on the Lx8. Thats probally why it would be a bitch to drive :shrug:

[BlackEye]

Why? The Sauber is quite easy without traction control, and that's got more power and less weight. The FormulaV8 is quite easy to drive, and that's got more power and less weight. What is so special about 345hp and 659kg that will make it undriveable?

No downforce in LX8? ;) [Edit: too slow]

Bob, stop teasing us like that, you're evil:D

@Tweak: That massive tires was in need back then with not so good tyre physics, to make it so-so driveable. Not needed any more I guess :)

[Blackout]

As far as I understood there is no wings on the Lx8. Thats probally why it would be a bitch to drive :shrug:

No downforce in LX8? ;)

Sissy talk of the men without extensive ball collection!

[BlackEye]

Sissy talk of the men without extensive ball collection!

:razz:

I'm all for a LX8, it's gonna be fun fun fun :D

Just that Tristan was comparing downforce cars and non downforce one :)

[tristancliffe]

I don't really see how not having downforce will make it undrivable. You just go a bit slower. It's not like the tyre physics were flawed with lots of power (ala S1). Wheelspin and slides are corrected by lifting and countersteering, and avoided by driving skill. It might not be as easy as the single seaters (yes, I know they become difficult when you get faster), but I think undrivable is the wrong word.

Slightly tricky might be better.

[BlackEye]

Oh yes, might be I didn't understand your point then :)

I'm hoping that it drives something like LX6 did in S1 :thumb:

[The Very End]

Sissy talk of the men without extensive ball collection!

Oh oh ohhh! :razz:

I have asked for the Lx8 all the way, and I would love to drive it, and I`m sure it`s handleable if you just takes it easy in the corners.

[Hyperactive]

A proper RWD: ;)
http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/8923/anni337ch.jpg

[z3r0c00l]

Any chance of a sound clip?


Oh... and it might need one of these: they're only simple, one guy made one at home:

http://weberprecision.com/weberprecision1018018.jpg

[XCNuse]

Severe bump :)

Maybe this will fit in as the "real life edition" LX8
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/26/caterham-rst-v8-levante-cracks-the-1000-bhp-per-ton-mark-scares/

[callmebob]

^ya i just saw that on a paintball forum i frequent. guess they got pissed after lotus beat them.

[mcgas001]

Severe bump :)

Maybe this will fit in as the "real life edition" LX8
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/26/caterham-rst-v8-levante-cracks-the-1000-bhp-per-ton-mark-scares/

Holy Crap...DAMN....i hope they get this on Top Gear ASAP.

[Gil07]

Included in the cost of the RST-V8 is a two-day driver training course when you take delivery.

Heh :D

[ATC Quicksilver]

Caterham RST-V8 Levante cracks the 1000 bhp per tonne mark, scares children.

Best headline ever.

[beefyman666]

That is one insane creation. Good thing to throw at the Devs and ask for the LX8 back.

They thefted the V8 grille logo off a Scania V8 truck. None the less I think this V8 will (as much as I think a Scania V8 sounds awesome for a diesel) sound a lot better, and obviously it performs better.

£115k though, you could probably get a 'Busa V8 fitted into your average Caterham for less than that and still get as much power, if not more. Just think, the Ghostrider's 'Busa had 500bhp, two of those would make somewhere in the region of 1000bhp. :jawdrop:

And I agree with Quicksilver, that has to be the best headline ever! :D

[legoflamb]

Had to bring this one back XCNuse.:D

But that does stimulate the senses just thinking about it, and provokes the, one day, "maybe?":scratchch in my mind.:D

[JeffR]

The cunning devs must have decided that the LX8 won't come out until S3 as a marketing ploy.

[BigPeBe]

Severe bump :)

Maybe this will fit in as the "real life edition" LX8
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/26/caterham-rst-v8-levante-cracks-the-1000-bhp-per-ton-mark-scares/

Nice, but if we will get LX8 on some day, I wouldn't want it to be like that. I mean look at it, it looks like a friggin space ship.

Thought I still like LX4 better than LX6, but LX8 with something like Rover V8 would be nice. Just add V8 and slicks and rollcage to LX6 and we have it.:tilt:

[UncleBenny]

That thing would be a beast to drive in LFS.


The "cracks the 1000 bhp per tonne mark" got me thinking about sprint car specs:

WoO car specs
Engine: maximum of 410 cubic inches
Fuel system: fuel injection
Horsepower: 750-815
Compression ratio: 13-17:1
RPM: 8000-8200
Speed: up to 150 m.p.h.
Powertrain: in/out direct drive with quick-change rear end
Fuel: methanol
Wheelbase: 86-88 inches
Width: 77 inches
Weight: 1,150-1,250 pounds
Chassis: light chrome-moly frame
Suspension: mostly torsion bar, some coil-over
Right rear tire: 103-106 inches in circumference
Wheels: chrome
Steering system: power steering

1304 hp/ton, not bad at all.

[gohfeld23]

Bloody Hell thats a Beautiful Beast!

C'mon Scavier.....there is obvious interest in a bigger and badder LX (race prepped please :P )

[The Very End]

You evil thing, you riped up the old wounds lol :tilt:
But yes, I do want that thing, and I want it now.

[rainspecialist]

that lx12 is like........WOW

[IDUI]

Very interesting. Just a few days ago I got a copy of Grand Prix Legends and have been wondering how something similar to the 1967 F1 car would feel in LFS, some thing RWD with huge power to weight ratio and no downforce(important). Apart from the front engine layout an LX8 would be pretty damn close. :tilt:

[Dennis93]

this was useless guys:shrug: go to

Car we want to see in S3......

[rich uk]

wish i could drive the lx8 again......omg what?!?!?!?


oooo the pain :(

[Mr. 7un10r]

In What version LX8 Are? I want to taste it.

[senn]

being as you're a demo user you can't?

[marzman]

In What version LX8 Are? I want to taste it.
In no official versions. I think it has been in a testpatch.

And indeed, not in demo versions anyway :)

[hotmail]

In no official versions. I think it has been in a testpatch.

And indeed, not in demo versions anyway :)

it never was in a test patch,

some beta testers tested it. (you will find the story some where in this theard)

[hotmail]

In What version LX8 Are? I want to taste it.

i ask you some thing:

do you ever drove the lx6 or the lx4, if you have, do you have a s1 licance

[diNOSaur]

i ask you some thing:

do you ever drove the lx6 or the lx4, if you have, do you have a s1 licance

Are u a cop?

[mkinnov8]

Whats with this latest trend of dragging up the oldest threads possible.. are people really that bored?

[sil3ntwar]

Scirocco?

[S14 DRIFT]

yup...

Another quality response consisting of a 1 word reply followed by 3438 dots from chavm481 here on LFS Forums

</troll>

Sorry :D

[imthebestracerthereis]

Think of the LX8 is just an overpowered RAC (power wise)

[Senninha25]

Think of the LX8 is just an overpowered RAC (power wise)
don't forget the slicks, it was still nearly impossible to control the car with those bloody things on it.

[Bawbag]

Think of the LX8 is just an overpowered RAC (power wise)


Why don't you think of it as a overpowered LX6? :smileypul

[Bob Smith]

An LX can't be overpowered. Just under-controlled. :tilt:

[Takumi_lfs]

don't forget the slicks, it was still nearly impossible to control the car with those bloody things on it.

Don't forget that older versions of lfs had poor tyre physics. I just runned LFS patch K and oh god (all cars where understeery compared to patch Z).

[S14 DRIFT]

an lx can't be overpowered. Just under-controlled. :tilt:

+1000

[imthebestracerthereis]

Why don't you think of it as a overpowered LX6? :smileypul
shush you!

Imagine an RAC-GTR :tilt:

[JeffR]

It would be nice to upgrade the current LX series to reflect the current Seven replicas, like the Caterhams.

A real Caterham CSR uses a 4 cylinder 2.3 liter engine and comes in 200 hp and 260 hp version. An LX4 could be 140 hp, LX6 200 hp, and LX8 260 hp, even though all would be 4 cylinder engines. With 260 hp, top speed increases from 140 mph to 155 mph.

Bias ply racing slicks for the LX8 (or LX6) would be nice and duplicate the slicks used for many Caterham based racing events. I tested the patch Z LX6 and the LX's physics has improved greatly since the S1 days. It's no longer that difficult to drive.

[senn]

shush you!

Imagine an RAC-GTR :tilt:

why imagine, someone made renders a while ago

http://www.franknaggies.com/archive/gallery/pics/wip/raceabout.htm

i think its sexy, except side on....then the roofline just isn't quite "doing it" for me..

[Kid222]

Whats with this latest trend of dragging up the oldest threads possible.. are people really that bored?
At least they're not creating new ones.:thumb: Shows how much of them can actually use the allmighty Search button.

[Blackout]

It would be nice to upgrade the current LX series to reflect the current Seven replicas, like the Caterhams.

A real Caterham CSR uses a 4 cylinder 2.3 liter engine and comes in 200 hp and 260 hp version. An LX4 could be 140 hp, LX6 200 hp, and LX8 260 hp, even though all would be 4 cylinder engines. With 260 hp, top speed increases from 140 mph to 255 mph.

Bias ply racing slicks for the LX8 (or LX6) would be nice and duplicate the slicks used for many Caterham based racing events. I tested the patch Z LX6 and the LX's physics has improved greatly since the S1 days. It's no longer that difficult to drive.

Yes, yes I totally agree. A beefier LX would be so awesome. I know they are not the most favorite car as it can be tricky for the beginner, but it provides awesome racing when you got to drive it with people who can.

LX8 is in the terms of internet almost epic fail. The LFS physics where not up to date when it was made and a heavier V8 doesn't suit such car at all. And of course, that the car would have been too fast for a box with the LFS physics.

LX6 with slicks and about 190 kw and power to weight ratio of 500 hp per tonne is rather awesome. And not that far from reality either as that's what the Caterham R500 is.

And of course it's mainly awesome, because it does this (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=72984&d=1229360843). :D

Flying car might have been too powerful, but it was still awesome.

[anbiddulph]

With 260 hp, top speed increases from 140 mph to 255 mph.
you mean 155mph right?

[BlueFlame]

An LX can't be overpowered. Just under-controlled. :tilt:
You forgot "In Soviet Russia" Bob. :)

[pearcy_2k7]

http://www.tomgarner.co.uk/uploaded_images/caterham.jpg - Maybe not so unrealistic Blackout.

Theres a picture somewhere of a modified Caterham like car at the ring with a big spoiler and body mods but i can#t find it now :(

[Blackout]

http://www.tomgarner.co.uk/uploaded_images/caterham.jpg - Maybe not so unrealistic Blackout.
That's is a much bigger dip than the South city slope, or at least it looks like it. But yes, maybe not that far, although I wonder how such box would manage the speed in real life.

Theres a picture somewhere of a modified Caterham like car at the ring with a big spoiler and body mods but i can#t find it now :(
Donkervoort D8 RS maybe? http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/2369/Donkervoort-D8-RS.html

That actually has even crazier power to weight ration.

[senn]

Caterham RS Levante v8 Concept. 550hp. It's been posted on these forums before.

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f178/74913d1204084646-caterham-rst-v8-levante-550hp-260208cat.jpg

[pearcy_2k7]

That's is a much bigger dip than the South city slope, or at least it looks like it. But yes, maybe not that far, although I wonder how such box would manage the speed in real life.

I think SO dip looks steeper at certain angles, or maybe it just drops lower but more gradually :shrug:


Donkervoort D8 RS maybe? http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/2369/Donkervoort-D8-RS.html

Thats the one :)

[JeffR]

With 260 hp, top speed increases from 140 mph to 255 mph.
you mean 155mph right?Yes, I fixed my previous post. Considering the aerodynamics, I doubt even a JATA rocket could get a Caterham to 255mph, or at least not without the Caterham going airborne (there's some front end lift that the newer CSR front end reduces, but not eliminates).

Still waiting for a game to get the engine sound right. Race96 was close, but I then realized that many of those engine sounds are similar).

the real thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfy1VO4ePlA&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNvM6jA7VF8&fmt=18

http://jeffareid.net/real/cat1.wmv


race07 with the 1/2 delay on animated shifts, normally hidden by helmet view, couldn't they just not do the animated shifts? Car was setup too understeery, but just wanted to get the sound captured.
http://jeffareid.net/r07/r07obc3.wmv

[james12s]

that donkervoot(sp) is bloody ace, looks great. as for the lx8 something exivilent to the r500 or the levante would be about right

[pearcy_2k7]

A CR260 is nothing like what an LX8 should be, they are really not that fast, well atleast they don't feel that fast. Id think in LFS terms they're very much just like the LX6. The 500bhp small V8 Caterham is closer to the mark. Or the R500 with slicks.

[JeffR]

Caterham R500 ... And of course it's mainly awesome, because it does this (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=72984&d=1229360843).

A real Caterham goes airborne at 2:20 into this video. Caterham chasing a Ducati motorcyle. At 2:15 into video the Caterham driver states "see how much air he gets here" (referring to the bike), then proceeds to also go airborne, seems like about a foot off the ground. Must be a borrowed car. Reminded me of GPL at Nordschleife.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfy1VO4ePlA&fmt=18

[Blackout]

I don't doubt that fast light cars can't get airborne. But I'm not sure if the speed that Soutcity jump needed was realistic for the box the car is. :D

[Drift King CZ]

Nice video there.
Any chance to get the very old version of Live for Speed which included the LX8?

[Bob Smith]

That version was never publically released, it was leaked by a beta tester. As such, the devs do not want that copy distributed further, so if you happen to come across it, please do not post links or instructions here. Thanks.

[Blackout]

That version was never publically released, it was leaked by a beta tester. As such, the devs do not want that copy distributed further, so if you happen to come across it, please do not post links or instructions here. Thanks.
Btw, have you worked on your ultimate tweak tool lately, or have you buried it for good?

[Bob Smith]

Not worked on it about 18 months now. From patches F to X10, the memory layout hardly changed (in fact, not at all since the BF1 was introduced), just shifted further up the memory range. I made my app backwards compatible with all these patches with little difficultly. Patch Y changed a lot of things, and by that point I had a job, so almost none of the free time I had before.

I don't see why nobody else has made something like this before. The initial memory ranges for the known values were kindly given to me by someone who had done the hard work, and I just found everything else by poking around in exactly the same area. They really are all just grouped together. People just must not know what they are looking for, or be bad at testing for subtle changes.

I'd still to like to update, finish and release the app, at some point. But it's lowest priority in my list of projects atm. VHPA, my site, and the setup guide come first, and to get all that done is a huge amount of work (given the little time I have left after going to work, being social, doing house chores, keeping my car & bike in a serviceable condition, taking it easy now and then, and sleeping).

Of course, motivation is another issue. Seeing as I hardly play LFS, or any other racing sim or even any other games atm, there's little interest in making a game mod. While on the other hand, a conversation I've been having with Tristan about his car has led me to 'discover' disc springs (aka belleville stack), so the past few days, at lunchtimes and evenings, I've made a stack generator/calculator which I've since added into my working copy of VHPA. I find it easier to go with the flow when something interests me, than to force myself to keep chogging through a big, tedious task. I'm supposed to be doing this out of interest and enjoyment after all, it's not like I get paid for it.

[Chrisuu01]

mind to share the prgram with mee bob i love it even if it isnt finished

[Bob Smith]

No good to you without an X10 or earlier patch lying around anyway. Either way I'm not releasing until it's done.

[Blackout]

Well, I hope you can get to it some day. I say you start with ditching the social life and sleep. For motivation, I'm sure we can send you some jaffa cakes and cookies.

[Rolverts]

why imagine, someone made renders a while ago

http://www.franknaggies.com/archive/gallery/pics/wip/raceabout.htm

i think its sexy, except side on....then the roofline just isn't quite "doing it" for me..
I love it, its so cool and nice.

[Dalmako]

LX8 please...

A lot of racers want to drive it again. Fast, competitive and hard drive. This is what too much racers are looking for.

Please, improve it and launch it again in the LFS.

LX8 Power! Please, for racers... :shy: develope it again please. :)

[obsolum]

LX8 please...

A lot of racers want to drive it again. Fast, competitive and hard drive. This is what too much racers are looking for.

Please, improve it and launch it again in the LFS.

LX8 Power! Please, for racers... :shy: develope it again please. :)
There's hardly anyone using the LX4 / LX6, usually on account of them being too hard to master, so I doubt the LX8 is going to improve on that.

This is classic, really. On the forum there's always heaps of people saying how great the LX's - or the LRF cars in general - are and how unfortunate it is that no one's racing them online. But then when you look at the server list... no one is, indeed, racing them online :scratchch Same with the TBO's.

As for the LX8... meh, the LX6 is plenty enough for me, but that's just personal opinion, of course :shrug:

[tonyonparas]

There's hardly anyone using the LX4 / LX6, usually on account of them being too hard to master, so I doubt the LX8 is going to improve on that.

Uhm.. or then it´s just you, who hardly ever uses it.

If you go around at some cruise servers you might not see them, but there´s a lot of skilled racers, who drive it and can master it.
It seems like the LX´es are used more in events and series, than in public servers.
But, yeah I would also like to see the LX8. Even if it would take some time, based on the current development speed.

[DevilDare]

The LX8 is mad..... Really not for pick-up servers...

Wheels spinning through 4th and sometimes even 5th, and you go sideways everywhere.....

Mad car...

[anbiddulph]

The LX8 is mad..... Really not for pick-up servers...

Wheels spinning through 4th and sometimes even 5th, and you go sideways everywhere.....

Mad car...
you have to remember all of the physices updates since then, back then the fo8 was the same

[geeman1]

Uhm.. or then it´s just you, who hardly ever uses it.
If you go around at some cruise servers you might not see them, but there´s a lot of skilled racers, who drive it and can master it.
It seems like the LX´es are used more in events and series, than in public servers.I think he was referring to public servers. In which he is correct, there is nobody racing with LRFs on public servers.
The LX8 is mad..... Really not for pick-up servers...
Wheels spinning through 4th and sometimes even 5th, and you go sideways everywhere.....
The physics have changed a lot. With few tests I have done with Tweak I would say that car like LX8 should be driveable with the current physics.

[NotAnIllusion]

LX8 would be fine.. with slicks :nod:

[obsolum]

I think he was referring to public servers. In which he is correct, there is nobody racing with LRFs on public servers.
Exactly.

[troy]

We're racing them every Thursday (see my sig for more info's), with mixed sizes of grids though, usually about 10-15 people. :)

[dawesdust_12]

and I'd be there every thursday, but sadly I was at school every time at that time, and now I'm working. I would love to drive more LX6's with my G25 and H-Gate, but sadly it never works out.

[kingcars]

I would drive in TBO and LX servers constantly if there were ever any people in them.

[george_tsiros]

I don't doubt that fast light cars can't get airborne.

i think weight plays no role whatsoever.

[DragonCommando]

I must be a skilled racer then :scratchch, I drive the LX4 every time I run LFS.

It's realy about the setup, The LXs are hard if you don't set up the suspension right.

I drive the LX4 alot, so today I took the LX6 out on westhill, did a few laps and did a 2:02.49. Thats not fast, and I made a mestake, but it's damn good for a first run with a new car/track combo. I've driven the LX6 before, but not on westhill. I found the LX6 only oversteers when I goof up on the steering, I'd imagine I could drive the LX8 without much trouble once I got the suspension worked out and found my shift and braking points.

I'd like to see a V8 period, doesn't matter what car it comes in, as long as it's not something far fetched.

[DoC_uk]

i think weight plays no role whatsoever.

I think weight plays a huge role , less weight = greater acceleration = faster speed when hitting said jump , does a 400hp fzr get airborne at the same point ? i would imagine not ..


Even if the fzr had a longer run up and hit the jump at the same speed , are you really saying that the lighter car won't get more air ?

[george_tsiros]

ok let's say a 700kg caterham going 100mph gets some height.

now a 1500kg bmw going 100mph, how much further, compared to the caterham, will it land?

[dawesdust_12]

USE THE SAME UNITS PLEASE! Metric but at a Imperial speed... That's just silly.

[Blackout]

ok let's say a 700kg caterham going 100mph gets some height.

now a 1500kg bmw going 100mph, how much further, compared to the caterham, will it land?
I don't really know, but you missed the whole point. On a track, lighter car with higher power to weight ratio will achieve greater speed in a shorter distance, thus going faster over a bump to get airborne.



Anyway...

We did LX8 event some time ago. It was unbelievable frekking mad. The tweak was a bit crude but close as possible to the original and had slicks. It's really quite a ride down the streets of Southcity. You have to be alert all the time, the smallest mistake and you are in a wall, think anything but the driving and you are off. It's more intense than the FO8 and BF1 put together and fueled with solid dynamite.

But oh, when you got it right it was the best fun ever!

[george_tsiros]

i missed no point. why did you add 'light' when you said 'fast light' ? doesn't 'fast' include stuff like power to weight ratio? did you add 'light' because you think weight will help the car fly further, or not?

also, dawesdust, you sure you want to talk like that? that guy is british i tried to use units familiar to him. sorry if i failed that hard that made you forget basic rules of grammar/spelling.

I don't really know

they will land at the same point

[Blackout]

Really honestly. Why would I know what I thought 4 months ago, and why you go after a petty thing like that anyway is beyond me, it probably was just a weird selection on words.

[Bob Smith]

they will land at the same point
Only if there is no lift or downforce. When that comes into play, then with all other things being equal, mass will affect the distance.

[george_tsiros]

and to think that i deliberately left aero out of the first post i made on this subject to keep it simple...

anyway, i think the caterham or the bmw don't have the kind of aero that will play any significant role. that's why i chose those two cars.

[XCNuse]

I say we leave the LX8 canned, and replace it with a late 60s F1 with front and rear wings :D

[The Very End]

No that would be horrible :(
Rallypack!?!?!??!

[dawesdust_12]

also, dawesdust, you sure you want to talk like that? that guy is british i tried to use units familiar to him. sorry if i failed that hard that made you forget basic rules of grammar/spelling.

It just seems rather retarded to mix units like that. What's next, giving weight in "percentages of a 2001 Ford Fiesta with air conditioning removed", and speed as "lightyear divided by 3 times by 33".

kg, m/s (or km/h).
lbs, ft/s (or mph).

Mixing them is bad, as to do the calculations, formulas tend to assume that things are of like units.

[george_tsiros]

"rather retarded" ?

up yours, buddy

[XCNuse]

No that would be horrible :(
Rallypack!?!?!??!
Wowwww rally pack, I totally forgot about that one! :x

[The Very End]

I am sure that if you search my posts, then filter out the posts that has the word rallypack / rallypack, we're speaking about like 50 or something :p Is there an actually way to filter posts from a specifiq user just by a sentence / word?

Neverthless, I know it was canned, but I canot find the post that posted the reason for it tho. Actually I would love if they continued on whatever they did, alltho that was like..3-4 years age aye?

[zeugnimod]

Is there an actually way to filter posts from a specifiq user just by a sentence / word?

Yes, Advanced Search. :nod: