cP race report: Race 6

[nmanley]

Wrong title but what the heck

Hope the server problems don't make it a mess.

Upon checking by our server guro's it look like it was a MASTER SERVER Shutdown.

[r4ptor]

Sorry about cP#2 for not showing up - I was doing quali so only found out afterwards - seems one of the drivers simply lost internet for good :(

[nmanley]

Looks like we may have to postpone the event. :shrug:

[nmanley]

Server just crashed, again.

MASTER SERVER CRASH. This is a first for our a LOTF server. Sorry to all the teams who are dealing with this issue.

We will investigate with the provider and ???

[nmanley]

SERVER has been changed to [CD] IGTC

Thanks go out to the ConeDodgers.

[racer hero]

Are we going to be told what positions the teams are in..?

[nmanley]

Race started again, guess you know that now. :)

3 hrs modified :thumb:

[DeadWolfBones]

Running order after 1hr 15min:

[N I K I]

Safety car out, loooks like cyber and cP had disconnects.. i know Zafar had... dunno for cyber
Oh it will be hard to get race results at the end

[siLc]

Sorry about cP#2 for not showing up - I was doing quali so only found out afterwards - seems one of the drivers simply lost internet for good :(

Sorry. I had some hardware issues :(

[DeadWolfBones]

3:20 or so.

cP and Cyber both had disconnects. cP had a few, which probably hurt their chances for a podium.

[BenjiMC]

I forgot to start up the report with all the server fiasco and a few things at home. 30 mins to go Escort is slowly catching rcpilot.

[DeadWolfBones]

#25 CD FXR flipped exiting the final chicane and is out.

[srdsprinter]

Great job all. Congrats to the CoRe team on their win in their first race!

[DeadWolfBones]

Great race all, sadly marred by some connection issues and one huge server dump. :[

I'll be interested to see where Cyber and cP come out with their disconnects.

Great job to CD, who gave CoRe #2 a great run for the money.

[alland44]

One disaster after another, hit my team tonigth. E V E R Y T H I N G went wrong, from the start, and all 4 hours :(

My pc chrashed, i came back, then Teamspeak threw me off. We kindly borrowed from CP. But how do you start TS again, in the middleof the race. Then came safetycar and i minimized windows, and the screen turned black. I shutted Lfs down restarted TS and joined again.

Sighh. Did try to hunt some time back, but made to many mistakes :(

gearbox sounded like a popcorn machine, and i was slow, in my last stint. Got a lot of blue flags :(

The blue flags are why i write this. We slow racers shall follow rules, so the faster racers can pass safely. I recon there are no rules for the faster racers, as they drive like they have been drinking.

Not good enough faster racers. STAY IN THE RACELINE, so we know where you are, and only pass when its safe :)

I got hit time 2.31.55 by the raceleader, don`t know what lap, because I was way behind on the lap counter, but that doesn`t give the leaders special "bully" rigths :)

Some of the other "blueflaggers" also left the raceline, putting me in an difficult position. Where is he going, what do I do now !??

Blue flag is not a freeway for you fast ppl. It`s a warning, to me, to give you space to overhoal me - SAFELY !

[DeadWolfBones]

One disaster after another, hit my team tonigth. E V E R Y T H I N G went wrong, from the start, and all 4 hours :(

My pc chrashed, i came back, then Teamspeak threw me off. We kindly borrowed from CP. But how do you start TS again, in the middleof the race. Then came safetycar and i minimized windows, and the screen turned black. I shutted Lfs down restarted TS and joined again.

Sighh. Did try to hunt some time back, but made to many mistakes :(

gearbox sounded like a popcorn machine, and i was slow, in my last stint. Got a lot of blue flags :(

The blue flags are why i write this. We slow racers shall follow rules, so the faster racers can pass safely. I recon there are no rules for the faster racers, as they drive like they have been drinking.

Not good enough faster racers. STAY IN THE RACELINE, so we know where you are, and only pass when its safe :)

I got hit time 2.31.55 by the raceleader, don`t know what lap, because I was way behind on the lap counter, but that doesn`t give the leaders special "bully" rigths :)

Some of the other "blueflaggers" also left the raceline, putting me in an difficult position. Where is he going, what do I do now !??

Blue flag is not a freeway for you fast ppl. It`s a warning, to me, to give you space to overhoal me - SAFELY !


Thanks for your comments and concerns. It can indeed get really hectic out there, especially when you're already frustrated or pissed off. People do need to remember to give each other room when passing and being passed.

The relevant rules, for a reminder:


8) Drivers must overtake in a safe and respectful manner. Drivers should have at least a half-car overlap on another car before committing to an overtaking maneuver. Cars ahead on corner exit are entitled to take the racing line, but only if cleanly ahead of the trailing car.
9) When being overtaken, a driver must give space to the attacking car in order to account for lag. Drivers must not defend by erratically weaving or otherwise excessively deviating from the standard racing line.
9.1) Drivers may make one (1) move off of the racing line and one (1) move back onto the racing line when defending a position.
9.2) When being lapped, a driver is expected to drive a normal racing line and avoid erratic movements that may confuse lapping drivers. If a driver wishes to pull over and slow to let the leader pass, this should be done on a long straight and done in such a manner that the intent is clear to the lapping driver. Under no circumstances should a driver being lapped slow excessively while entering or in the middle of a corner.
10) Drivers attempting to un-lap themselves must follow Rule #8. Leaders who are defending against a lapped car must follow Rules #9 and #9.1.

[srdsprinter]

Please, did anyone get the replay?

Great race, sorry about the weird server issues in the begining. Thanks for all the teams showing up!

[DeadWolfBones]

I got the last 3 hours. Uploading now.

[srdsprinter]

Thanks!

Thank you ConeDodgers for Hosting! Not sure what happenend to our server, 500 Servers are usually bulletproof.

[DeadWolfBones]

Last 3hrs of the race (post-server dump):

http://www.mediafire.com/?8ns0zulddzm

[r4ptor]

Quali replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?f2rujtux39d

We had a very unlucky race - first cP#2 not being able to race because of hardware issues and 4 disconnects @ cP#1 - the last one just seconds after I crossed the line - I actually saw the "lag" message on every car before crossing it.. lol.

First disconnect didn't affect me much - I actually did better after it and I'm 99.9% sure I got back up to 3rd, but then BAM :|

Niki's disconnect cost us allot - there was confusion since he was still on TS but it was lagging. I wasn't sure if he would continue or what, so I just joined.. spend a bit time to see if he was there.. but meh.

I'm sure I've had less than 10 disconnects ever since I started with LFS. 5 of them during this race/evening. 2 during a danish event and rest during pick up races... more meh..

Oh well :P

[nmanley]

I'm sure I've had less than 10 disconnects ever since I started with LFS. 5 of them during this race/evening. 2 during a danish event and rest during pick up races... more meh..

Must be our governments messing up the internet with their anti terrorist hackers. :really:


Thanks for the upload DWB.

[rcpilot]

I got hit time 2.31.55 by the raceleader, don`t know what lap, because I was way behind on the lap counter, but that doesn`t give the leaders special "bully" rigths :)

Watch it from my perspective, I caught up an almost unbelievable ~5 car lengths on you under braking while already under maximum braking from my normal braking point. (AKA, nothing I could do except hope that I could still brake hard enough to avoid you while turning into the corner without understeering) Leaders have their own issues they deal with getting around traffic, it's not just on your end. :shrug:

[EsCoRt RaLLy]

Very funny event indeed! Some real close racing between me and rcpilot i must say. Clean and fair driving. C you at the oval next time guys :)

[r4ptor]

Stats of the last 3 hours: http://www.mediafire.com/?52gmsmhx9zf

[Franke]

Nice race everyone... Looking forward to see the final result, whatever they can find out, from the first race...

[Who Cares]

Thx for racing everyone... good, clean and fair fighting.... :thumb:

[srdsprinter]

Wow... this should be an interesting one for timing and scoring to sort out. The tally:

CP disconected after 21 laps (S1 of L22 38mins in), 19 laps (S1 of lap 20 1:15), 11 laps (S1 of L12 1:38), and finished with 48 laps. Totalling 99 laps, the same as TDRT and LOTF cars.

Cyber had done a Full 31 Laps, then disconnected in the pit lane. They rejoined and did 70 laps.... 101 total?

:schwitz:

[rcpilot]

Cyber had done a Full 31 Laps, then disconnected in the pit lane. They rejoined and did 70 laps.... 101 total?
That's actually more screwy, been trying to work it out considering where they could place. But as far as I can work out they're actually a lap off the lead lap. They did 30 laps (not 31), and then missed a lap under the safety car rejoining at the start of lap 32, but somehow ended up getting another 70 instead of 69. AKA, they did 100 total, but they should've only gotten 99 laps as far as I can tell, somehow the disconnect put them in a position to run one more lap than they should've. I could be wrong considering I can't figure out the exact mechanics behind why they got an extra lap, but this is what I've found so far.

/Edit - Durr, they basically partially unlapped themselves, not sure how that'll work out with trying to figure out exactly where they finished :P

/Edit - Doh, didn't know about that 50% rule, that probably puts them in 1st. :'( and probably congrats :P (Editing based on future posts is fun)

[r4ptor]

CP disconected after 21 laps (S1 of L22 38mins in), 19 laps (S1 of lap 20 1:15), 11 laps (S1 of L12 1:38), and finished with 48 laps. Totalling 99 laps, the same as TDRT and LOTF cars.


Looks right - should be 99 laps + 2 more or less full S1 sectors if they are counted in.

Our last disconnect cost us about 2 min 45 secs because I wasn't sure what was going on with Niki and therefor hesitated, but for too long.

Would have "gained" a lap (100 in total) if I had acted faster.

[DeadWolfBones]

Looks right - should be 99 laps + 2 more or less full S1 sectors if they are counted in.

Our last disconnect cost us about 2 min 45 secs because I wasn't sure what was going on with Niki and therefor hesitated, but for too long.

Would have "gained" a lap (100 in total) if I had acted faster.

The way the rule reads:

15.1) If a team’s car has entered the second half of the track when its driver disconnects, the team is given credit for that lap. Conversely, if it has not yet entered the second half of the lap, the team is given credit for the previously completed lap.

You don't get credit for those first sectors, assuming you disconnected while still in the first sector. If you'd crossed the split line, you'd get credit for that lap.

It's sort of arbitrary, but you need to have rules for those occasions. :shrug:

[mogster]

So this is what happened. I was on my 31. lap when I pitted in, just about to swap cars with scipy and then my PC decides to freeze. Dunno where the problem is even the mpr freezes my PC at the same place. But anyway, after that scipy started from the pits and did 70 laps. That one extra lap is obviously because he wasn't actually leading when the 3 hours was driven but in front of the "leader".

So if that 31. lap I did is not counted, then it feels like all the gods of the universe is giving me the finger. I mean, 10 seconds too soon. But if the well respected race marshalls actually see who deserves what, Cyber would have the same amount of laps than the leader. And the one extra lap proves we came through the checkered flag first.

[N I K I]

First siLc wasn't showing up, then Zafar had million disconnects, so he said me to drive last hour and a half of race, but then after 11 laps when fuel just started to get lower and tires coming perfect something unbelievable happen. I lost internet connection to anything but TS, and soon after that i lost connection to TS too. My router worked as it should, my windows showing that they are connected to internet, but i couldn't open anything. I just one of those days that nothing goes right. All those practice was for nothing, and we won FE race with no practice. I just the way it is, God loves to play with us sometimes :)

[EsCoRt RaLLy]

So this is what happened. I was on my 31. lap when I pitted in, just about to swap cars with scipy and then my PC decides to freeze. Dunno where the problem is even the mpr freezes my PC at the same place. But anyway, after that scipy started from the pits and did 70 laps. That one extra lap is obviously because he wasn't actually leading when the 3 hours was driven but in front of the "leader".

So if that 31. lap I did is not counted, then it feels like all the gods of the universe is giving me the finger. I mean, 10 seconds too soon. But if the well respected race marshalls actually see who deserves what, Cyber would have the same amount of laps than the leader. And the one extra lap proves we came through the checkered flag first.

You getting a disconnect during pitstop gives you and unfair advantage seeing that you dont have to loose ~45secs during this. Also scipy left the pitbox very dangerously almost taking subon out... IMO when you get a disconnect the race is over. Since this gives you a "free" pitstop. Anyway, it's all up to the marshalls.

[mogster]

If Subon was right behind scipy, there is now way we would have gained 45 seconds, because I pitted before CD. And because of the safety car there really wasn't no advantage. But we'll see...

[scipy]

yeh sorry about the pit exit, but when i saw mogster timed out i just reacted as quickly as possible.. and for all your calculations who won.. when the safety car came out, and u all went into pits, mogi was first, u all behind him.. and that's the way we exited the pits and got behind safety car.. so even tough the first hour didnt count, our car was still in front of everyone else.. and on restart i overtook core xrr and loft fzr.. and that's the way it stayed until the end.. so.. dunno where the problem is..

[r4ptor]

The way the rule reads:



You don't get credit for those first sectors, assuming you disconnected while still in the first sector. If you'd crossed the split line, you'd get credit for that lap.

It's sort of arbitrary, but you need to have rules for those occasions. :shrug:

Aww.. When Niki disconnected he was ~20 meters from split line.

All of our disconnects were during S1 (conspiracy, I tell ya!) - would have been interesting if they occurred during the second one ;)

However I do hope our 99 laps + disconnects weighs more than 99 laps without any.

[DeadWolfBones]

CD and Cyber, trust us, we'll look very carefully into the chain of events.

ETA: Escort, you may feel that that's how it should be (disconnects should mean your race is over) but in IGTC as in all other endurance leagues in LFS, it's not how it is. Disconnects are an unfortunate fact of online gaming, but they shouldn't entirely ruin races as they are nearly always beyond the team's control.

[r4ptor]

so even tough the first hour didnt count, our car was still in front of everyone else.. and on restart i overtook core xrr and loft fzr.. and that's the way it stayed until the end.. so.. dunno where the problem is..


I must agree with scipy here - there isn't much to do calculations about.. but then there are the objection :x

Will be very interesting to see the final results, indeed.

[BenjiMC]

I'm quite busy today so i can't actually work it out yet. Just a word of added information so nobody gets confused with the results. Since there is no full available replay from before the server crash the official results will be counted up from the 3 hours on the ConeDodgers server.

[nmanley]

and on restart i overtook core xrr and loft fzr.. and that's the way it stayed until the end.. so.. dunno where the problem is..

EDIT:APOLOGY POSTED ON POST #49

You mean you PUNTED the LOTF car out of the way, don't you? :really:

IV. GENERAL RACING CONDUCT

8) Drivers must overtake in a safe and respectful manner. Drivers should have at least a half-car overlap on another car before committing to an overtaking maneuver. Cars ahead on corner exit are entitled to take the racing line, but only if cleanly ahead of the trailing car.

[DeadWolfBones]

You mean you PUNTED the LOTF car out of the way, don't you? :really:

IV. GENERAL RACING CONDUCT

8) Drivers must overtake in a safe and respectful manner. Drivers should have at least a half-car overlap on another car before committing to an overtaking maneuver. Cars ahead on corner exit are entitled to take the racing line, but only if cleanly ahead of the trailing car.

If you feel this strongly about the incident, please feel free to follow the rules and lodge an objection in the objections thread.

Thanks.

[jasonmatthews]

Can I just add that SR (rsx) was in 8th when disconnected, but we started 9th when reconnected. This could be the difference between scoring points or not.....

[DeadWolfBones]

Can I just add that SR (rsx) was in 8th when disconnected, but we started 9th when reconnected. This could be the difference between scoring points or not.....

Could you provide some more info on this?

Are you saying you were placed incorrectly when we set the grid for the initial restart on the CD server?

[nmanley]

I have not personally watch the replay but am going on what our driver said over ventrilo. Although he felt he got punted I'm going to watch the replay before doing any more than mentioning it. As has been said before, the front running cars tend to be very aggressive in passing especially for position. It's getting old FAST.

I'll post back after watching the replay. May have been just a racing thing in our case. Only one point of view as of now.

[jasonmatthews]

Yes thats what i'm saying :) I will have a chat with RSX and ask him to post here... Do you guys not have a replay up to server disconnect?

[Forbin]

I've reviewed the replay and the reason scipy got an extra lap was because he was ahead of rcpilot, whom LFS registered as being in first, and so the race did not end until rcpilot crossed the line. However, scipy crossed the line just a few seconds after the 4 hour mark, making his extra lap invalid. If he had not crossed the pit exit line, I would imagine that he would be declared the winner. As it stands now, he gets a 1 lap penalty. With these 2 factors combined, the cyber team's lap count drops to 99.

[nmanley]

If you feel this strongly about the incident, please feel free to follow the rules and lodge an objection in the objections thread.

Thanks.

After watching the replay.
My Apologies to the Cyber Team and driver, scipy. During the confusion on Ventrilo, It was not you who punted Stu but it was DeadWolfBones. :really: However it was a racing incident with several cars entering a corner on the lap 34 restart. :razz: Just racing luck.

AGAIN Sorry to scipy. :shrug:

[RSX]

At the moment of the crash we were in 7th place.. Someone should have the replay?

[DeadWolfBones]

Unfortunately no one (so far as we know) got a replay of the first hour, because the server crashed.

[DeadWolfBones]

After watching the replay.
My Apologies to the Cyber Team and driver, scipy. During the confusion on Ventrilo, It was not you who punted Stu but it was DeadWolfBones. :really: However it was a racing incident with several cars entering a corner on the lap 34 restart. :razz: Just racing luck.

Hah, yes, well, I obviously have my own version of what went down in that incident.

If you guys want to protest it, by all means. I won't be involved in the decision-making process if you do. :thumbsup:

[EsCoRt RaLLy]

Unfortunately no one (so far as we know) got a replay of the first hour, because the server crashed.

I'm the only one here that uses the autosave replay function? :really:

[BenjiMC]

I'm the only one here that uses the autosave replay function? :really:

It would seem so.

[srdsprinter]

Hah, yes, well, I obviously have my own version of what went down in that incident.

If you guys want to protest it, by all means. I won't be involved in the decision-making process if you do. :thumbsup:
I've watched it a couple times. Didn't really like what I saw, or particularly the outcome for either car.

It seemed to have been a racing deal, and there was NO way anything malicious could have been meant from it (on your part).

We had some nice racing afterwords DWB, and racing from 17th up to 4th has to have been one of the highlights of my LFS career. :thumb:

[rcpilot]

I'm the only one here that uses the autosave replay function? :really:
Well, I use it, but I wasn't there, so, yeah.

[DeadWolfBones]

I think it's safe to say that from this point forward the league admins will have the option enabled during league races.

You live and you learn...

[nmanley]

I'm the only one here that uses the autosave replay function? :really:

No, I use it too but I just happen to not be in the car then due to a disconnect at home. Damn Time Warner Cable. :D

DWB, from seeing the replay from your car. I call it a racing incident not intended by the last driver in line. I still hate the traffic law that say the last car in the line of several cars in a rear ender is at fault. :thumb:

[Richard Torp]

I'm the only one here that uses the autosave replay function? :really:


No...:razz:

[srdsprinter]

The server problems are due to a Ddos attack and somebody on the same network STEALING bandwidth, this has now been sorted.


We finally got to the bottom of what happend, causing the two catestrophic server failures. Turns out, there was some foul play at hand. Fortunately it was sorted. All of us would like to say sorry about the server crashes.

[r4ptor]

A little something (vid) I made:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=528820#post528820

[DeadWolfBones]

Awesome video, dude!

Might have to hire you to do some promo work for LOTA. :D

[r4ptor]

Thanks - much appreciated.. and yeh, maybe we could work something out - wont dismiss it atm.. but I'm often very busy (did this one while in fact I should have been working.. don't tell my contractor :shy: ).