How many licences

[Theafro]

just as a matter of interest, i was wondering how many LFS licences have been issued now, i've looked on LFSW but can't find a 'grand total' anywhere. it's not important but it'd be nice to know how many of us there are now.

[Vykos69]

you will never get that information from the devs, just think a bit, and you know why ;)

[Tweaker]

Yeah many people have asked, but no official numbers are released.

But my guess is, they've made a huge load of cash :)

Just think if say... 500,000 (guessing) people are licensed... you do the math ;)

[joshdifabio]

Yeah many people have asked, but no official numbers are released.

But my guess is, they've made a huge load of cash :)

Just think if say... 500,000 (guessing) people are licensed... you do the math ;)

lol i guess you are taking the piss? no way are 500,000 licensed.

[Theafro]

i was never after an exact figure! :D

I did expect that it's not public information, but i'm just curious. (he says with several dead cats nearby)

i'm guessing 5000-7000

sorry if anybody feels offended by my curiosity:smileypul

the money's not important, but if the dev's have made a stack of cash, They certainly deserve it!

[huxorator]

Reduce it to 50.000 and it still would be a fat load of $$$. :nod:

But still, even 50k is just a number. Look how many people are online in general, and multiply by a factor you like, but it will be <50k i think.

[tristancliffe]

afaik there are about 30,000 Licences in total, about 10,000 of which are still S1 (the rest are S2).

[Don]

afaik there are about 30,000 Licences in total, about 10,000 of which are still S1 (the rest are S2).
from where you know that?

[L(Oo)ney]

If it is around the 50k reigon, then that'll be about £120,000 they have made. If they are all S2 licenses anyway..

It might seem a lot at first, but you have to remember that the money has to be cut three ways, and then theres living expenses and other stuff like this to take out of that.

(edit) Also dont forget that they have been working only on LFS for the past three years, with no other money coming in from other sources.

I dont think they are rich one bit. Scawens haircut just goes to prove this. ;P

[Ardent]

isn't a licensed player automatically registered in the forum ? if so, you have 3800 forum members, excluding maybe 10-20% demo racers would be around 3000 licenses. Although that sounds like a bit too small number...

[marsden1002]

If it is around the 50k reigon, then that'll be about £120,000 they have made. If they are all S2 licenses anyway..

It might seem a lot at first, but you have to remember that the money has to be cut three ways, and then theres living expenses and other stuff like this to take out of that.

(edit) Also dont forget that they have been working only on LFS for the past three years, with no other money coming in from other sources.

I dont think they are rich one bit. Scawens haircut just goes to prove this. ;P

I dont think many people are s1 anymore, or at least they dont use online servers.

That is because last time i checked, there was 1 server running s1 :S

[Shotglass]

I dont think they are rich one bit. Scawens haircut just goes to prove this. ;P

im sure tristan would be glad to give him a free haircut :)

[ayrton senna 87]

tristan knows coz i asked scawen how many licences there are, i just thought it would be a nice thing to know...

[Scawen]

It's more than 20,000 and less than 30,000. ;) As Tristan said, a little more than 10,000 of those are S1 licenses.

Last time we gave some figures it was some time after S1 and the answer was, between 1,000 and 10,000. So we've come a long way since then. :)

[ayrton senna 87]

i hope the sales of licences are increasing each year! would be nice to see the groth in licences year on year aswell.

[Fonnybone]

It's more than 20,000 and less than 30,000. ;) As Tristan said, a little more than 10,000 of those are S1 licenses.

Last time we gave some figures it was some time after S1 and the answer was, between 1,000 and 10,000. So we've come a long way since then. :)

Hehe, that's what i though myself, i was gonna say 30000, but wasn't
sure. I remember reading there was over 10000 a while ago. Might not
want your lady to see this, she might start doing the math and ask where
that money went :p hehe

[Scawen]

Something the older people know for sure but the younger ones might not realise, is that of that income, quite a bit is lost in bank / payment charges before we even see it, then a massive amount is paid as tax. We also have other costs to keep things going. So we only end up with about half of it (for those who try to work out how rich we are). :)

[KiDCoDEa]

I dont think they are rich one bit. Scawens haircut just goes to prove this. ;P

you are a genius. you said it all. :thumb:

[Scawen]

Haircut? Since when did i have a haircut? :confused: :schwitz: :D

[Fonnybone]

Actually Scawen, that green shirt of yours is more a giveaway :p
Victor's new haircut really fits him imo, i'm sure he'll notice an
improvement in his relations with people. Looks more serious and
ehem, adult as opposed to looking like a pot-smoker ;)

I wouldn't worry about your hair though Scawen, i tend to see people
with messy haircuts as sort of 'geniuses'. Experience has not proven me
wrong yet. Most people i meet with hair 'in a fight' seem to be very 'brainy'
and they are generally people that think a lot, so they are usually very
rational people. That said, i've also found most to be a bit anti-social,
more like the shy type.

I've long believed that people who put too much attention on their
appearance have a confidence problem. It's over-compensation.
I'll take a girl with hairy armpits and no makeup anyday over those
old-hags trying to be 15 again dressed up like a prostitute and looking
like a clown. Oh, i'd do her, but i sure wouldn't marry her or have kids
with her ;) Like i tell my mates, there's 2 types of girls, the one you
respect, and the one you don't. My problem is i get very shy with girls
i respect, familiar to anyone ? hehe

[ayrton senna 87]

the reason scawen grew his hair is so that we could all recognise him in karts and be careful not to touch him :D

[Fonnybone]

Wow, i'd be more scared of my hair catching on fire. Every time i
go karting some douche has to say something about my hair.

- "Ya ya, i'll put it in my shirt, i DID sign those insurance papers so
it's really none of your concerns."

I do it for me :) Well, for my hair, it's getting pretty damn long,
almost at my waist now ;)

[L(Oo)ney]

im sure tristan would be glad to give him a free haircut :)

With his hacksaw!?

What if he "accidently" slip's? Scawen will end up like the bunny. :scratchch

[-wes-]

With his hacksaw!?

What if he "accidently" slip's? Scawen will end up like the bunny. :scratchch

Well we would end up with TWO Scawen's right?:kenny:
Now THAT can only be a good thing! :tilt:

[PLAYLIFE]

lol at signature

[Gunn]

Tomorrow's headline:

Live For Speed HQ moves to Monaco

[96 GTS]

:rofl: @ Gunn :up:

[tristancliffe]

Sorry Scawen if I wasn't meant to mention that on the forum, but I kind of assumed since you told me, and everyone else at the pub, that it wasn't secret. Not that it matters, cos we know we bought you a nice car :D

And sure I'd give you a haircut, but you have a choice:

1. Hacksaw - it's good for plastic but gets quite hot. Might need a new blade.
2. Stanley Knife - no new blades at the moment (and too lazy to buy any) so might not be cleanest cut.
3. Cigarette lighter - with carefully controlled 'bursts' of flame I could probably shorten it, avoid total ignition, and help you avoid split ends by forming a blob of molten hair at the end.

Your choice.

Sorry for going away from topic, but I just thought I'd make some comment as a form of defence against the endless abuse I get... :p

[Bob Smith]

Sorry for going away from topic, but I just thought I'd make some comment as a form of defence against the endless abuse I get... :p
...which you get for typing such drivel like the above post.

And I didn't think we were supposed to share that info, I mean we were talking about it in the pub, but it had that kind of "I don't mind talking about it but don't tell the world about it.... or start a thread on the forums ;)" feel to it. But if Scawen is talking about it openly now (not that he has much choice :p) then I suppose it's ok.

Oh and how come you have to pay so much tax? I know the government here would "appropriate" candy from babies if it could, but 50% seems a bit steep.

[tristancliffe]

And I didn't think we were supposed to share that info, I mean we were talking about it in the pub, but it had that kind of "I don't mind talking about it but don't tell the world about it.... or start a thread on the forums ;)" feel to it.eeek!

[Scawen]

...but 50% seems a bit steep.Well there's about 5% in transaction charges then about 10% goes to VAT (some payments are exempt from VAT). So another 35% for income tax, national insurance, server costs, etc doesn't seem unlikely. I'm just estimating 50%, more or less... just pointing out that we don't actually end up with £24 for each license, as some people assume. And it's a similar story for all businesses of course, not just ours. :)

[Racer Y]

Something the older people know for sure but the younger ones might not realise, is that of that income, quite a bit is lost in bank / payment charges before we even see it, then a massive amount is paid as tax. We also have other costs to keep things going. So we only end up with about half of it (for those who try to work out how rich we are). :)

Banks suck... you know that? They really do... And I imagine paypal gets a good chunk of revenue to, but that's not really none of my business

Oh, Mr. Scawen.......
If some lamer type with a buzz cut asks you about a haircut, like when the last time you got one,
Do what I do... I say,"A Haircut? do they hurt?" It F***s with their head and they generally leave you alone after that. :)
In the 80's, long haired ppl were stereotyped as Drug dealing head bangers.
In the 90's we were tagged as rightwing religious nuts.......
What are we in the new century? Pro Wrestler wannabes?

[axus]

Banks suck... you know that? They really do... And I imagine paypal gets a good chunk of revenue to, but that's not really none of my business

Oh, Mr. Scawen.......
If some lamer type with a buzz cut asks you about a haircut, like when the last time you got one,
Do what I do... I say,"A Haircut? do they hurt?" It F***s with their head and they generally leave you alone after that. :)
In the 80's, long haired ppl were stereotyped as Drug dealing head bangers.
In the 90's we were tagged as rightwing religious nuts.......
What are we in the new century? Pro Wrestler wannabes?

Intelectuals.
I have long hair. Discussion closed. :smileypul

[auch_enne]

Intelectuals.
I have long hair. Discussion closed. :smileypul

Shall we start a pole, Howmany LFS'ers have long hair? :gt:

[AndyC]

Working for an investment company have you ever thought of allowing share holders in? I don't mean right now but in the future when S3 gets close. If you get the right people it could be a big step but you definetly don't want major shareholders telling you what to do.

Just a thought

[Hyperactive]

Shall we start a pole, Howmany LFS'ers have long hair? :gt:

Or long beard :gandalf:

[axus]

Shall we start a pole, Howmany LFS'ers have long hair? :gt:

Definately, but lets get the options right...

1. I have long hair
2. I have a long beard
3. I have long hair and a long beard
4. I not an intelectual...

Does that sound good? Any additions anyone? :D

[joshdifabio]

If it is around the 50k reigon, then that'll be about £120,000 they have made. If they are all S2 licenses anyway...

50,000x£24=£1,200,000, not £120,000. Didn't you learn maths at school? :p

[96 GTS]

The Devs deserve every single penny they get, no doubt about it. They took a big risk quitting a "stable" job and developing LFS. IMHO, high risks deserve high returns. They're certianly not ripping us off with what they're charging, anything but. If someone told me that Scawen drove a 760Li, Victor drove an F430, and Eric drove a 911 Turbo, I'd be overjoyed. :D

BTW, this post wasn't directed at anyone, just me rambling on in the middle of a very boring ANSI lecture ;)

[Mazz4200]

The Devs deserve every single penny they get, no doubt about it. They took a big risk quitting a "stable" job and developing LFS. IMHO, high risks deserve high returns. They're certianly not ripping us off with what they're charging, anything but. If someone told me that Scawen drove a 760Li, Victor drove an F430, and Eric drove a 911 Turbo, I'd be overjoyed. :D

BTW, this post wasn't directed at anyone, just me rambling on in the middle of a very boring ANSI lecture ;)


I agree, these guys deserve to make millions :thumb:

So spread the word chaps.

[axus]

If someone told me that Scawen drove a 760Li, Victor drove an F430, and Eric drove a 911 Turbo, I'd be overjoyed.

That's a good taste in cars you got there, but Scawen isn't an old man yet... he should trade that 760Li in for an M6... and a new shirt... :D

[the_angry_angel]

Its really hard not to give the obvious away.

Maybe the meet was a bad idea? We know a lot of secret about LFS now, that maybe we shouldnt ;)

[Theafro]

whoa there, what have i started? sorry to the dev's if this has gotten a little personal!:schwitz:

I certainly didn't want to focus on the financial side of things (or the hair for that matter!) , but it's nice to have some idea of what you guys have to deal with in order to keep LFS moving. (there's probably enough work for the three of you in 'administration' duties, let alone having to actually produce a top notch game like LFS.

As ever, I am filled with humble respect for what the dev's have done for us,

Thank You! :thumb:

[Kashopi]

Well there's about 5% in transaction charges then about 10% goes to VAT (some payments are exempt from VAT). So another 35% for income tax, national insurance, server costs, etc doesn't seem unlikely. I'm just estimating 50%, more or less... just pointing out that we don't actually end up with £24 for each license, as some people assume. And it's a similar story for all businesses of course, not just ours. :)

Now that you have answered such an important question for some people , I would like you to answer a yes/no one that matters me a lot :D
"Is real the gossip around here about a Rallypack for the S2?"

Thanks in advance , and I hope that you , the development team, would be really rich someday. Enough for living carelessly but not so much for leaving the LFS project too soon :)

[three_jump]

I want a new Interview with the devs :shy:

[ORION]

yeah... we havent had any interviews for quite a long time now, but heh, Im going to write a small "lfs world making of" guide, maybe it will turn out funny :)
dunno yet.. Just need some time :scratchch

[Racer Y]

I want a new Interview with the devs :shy:
Yeah, that would be nice, but hopefully the interviewer will
ask the really hard questions. Not the same boring stuff about LFS, like
when S-3 will be ready or whatever. No I mean the REALLY hard questions.
Such as:
The truth about the rumor involving Eric and Jeniffer Anniston.
Or is it true Victor can't get a visa to travel to Greenland due
to security concerns. Is Scawen wanted in Utah and New Jersey for
ripping off homeowners with a kitchen remodelling scam?
You know, stuff like that. Noone ever asks those questions.

[Mikkel Petersen]

Or is it true Victor can't get a visa to travel to Greenland due
to security concerns.

If you don't know it, Greenland is a part of Denmark. ;)
Uhm, it's "owned" by Denmark or whatever you would say! :P

[Honey]

Well there's about 5% in transaction charges then about 10% goes to VAT (some payments are exempt from VAT). So another 35% for income tax, national insurance, server costs, etc doesn't seem unlikely. I'm just estimating 50%, more or less... just pointing out that we don't actually end up with £24 for each license, as some people assume. And it's a similar story for all businesses of course, not just ours. :)

for others who don't know, i confirm it! taxes are about or more than 50% (roughly), doing some maths is like each one of you had an employment with about 2000€ monthly income (not considering costs like hardware, software licenses, etc.), which is a regular income and honestly i think you three deserve more (i already paid, so i can be sooo generous ... :D )

i always tought sells were much less...i'm happy for you i was wrong :thumb:

[Theafro]

If Vic put a donate button on the web site, I've a feeling it would get used a LOT
It might almost seem greedy to some and i know the dev's would never ask for such a thing but I for one feel my £24 doesn't quite cover how much fun i've had playing LFS. jeez £35 for GTR (played it for 2 weeks) and about the same for rFactor makes me feel almost guilty for paying so little for what is an UNBEATABLE game

[Bob Smith]

I want a new Interview with the devs :shy:
Heh, the fact that Tristan and I gave Scawen a good quizzin' wasn't enough? Although I will admit nobody took notes so we can't post the conversation here for the rest of the LFSers. I didn't think about it at the time.

[tristancliffe]

Yeah, that would be nice, but hopefully the interviewer will
ask the really hard questions. Not the same boring stuff about LFS, like
when S-3 will be ready or whatever. No I mean the REALLY hard questions.
Such as:
The truth about the rumor involving Eric and Jeniffer Anniston.
Or is it true Victor can't get a visa to travel to Greenland due
to security concerns. Is Scawen wanted in Utah and New Jersey for
ripping off homeowners with a kitchen remodelling scam?
You know, stuff like that. Noone ever asks those questions.
Maybe they do, but maybe they never live long enough to tell the tale...

[Racer Y]

If you don't know it, Greenland is a part of Denmark. ;)
Uhm, it's "owned" by Denmark or whatever you would say! :P

So you're saying he may have connections with the Greenland Seperatist movement?

[Boris Lozac]

I can't believe that people dare to say things such as: "LFS is very expensive", "I can buy Full game for that money, not some unfinished game" etc..??! For me, S1, and S2 are more complete and better then ANY other racing games combined! I mean, what does people consider by FULL game? Sorry, was going to post this in the WTF thread.. ;) but it got closed :D
But it's not totally offtopic ;)
I am glad that there are around 30.000 licences, SO GLAD!! and i wish it would be 300.000 this time next year.. :)

[96 GTS]

If Vic put a donate button on the web site, I've a feeling it would get used a LOT
It might almost seem greedy to some and i know the dev's would never ask for such a thing but I for one feel my £24 doesn't quite cover how much fun i've had playing LFS. jeez £35 for GTR (played it for 2 weeks) and about the same for rFactor makes me feel almost guilty for paying so little for what is an UNBEATABLE game
I would so use the donate button if they had one. They need it :D

[Vendetta]

Yes, a donate button would rock. :thumbsup:

[Krane]

No need for donations, just buy S2 license vouchers and give them to friends, family and random people :D

[markredden]

Yes, a donate button would rock. :thumbsup:
Not bad idea at all :)

[Honey]

No need for donations, just buy S2 license vouchers and give them to friends, family and random people :D

i agree!!! :thumb: the income for devs will be more or less equal, plus there are more people knowing/playing lfs and also it would be helping marketing with more licenses sold! :thumbsup:

...now i know what to give as christmas gifts!!!! :D
everyone let's buy lfs to friends as christmas gift ;)

[Theafro]

I'm starting to wonder if dontions are taxed tho' :smileypul

although i've already bought 3 S2 licences already!