bump server suggestion... [Archive]

StableX

29th July 2007, 10:18

It seems a little unfair that the people with the higher license points (me being one of them) get to start the race at the front of the grid each time.

It makes it so much easier for us to get the top points each time. Could it be changed so we have to start at the back or make it random?

Becky Rose

29th July 2007, 10:26

Currently there is no reward in bump and jump, it's important that a high licence is rewarded in some way even if it's just grid position - because it is possible to deflate licences by repeatedly joining.

Dark Elite

29th July 2007, 11:27

I agree with the way it's done at the moment. There is also the fact that in Bump and Jump races it is sometimes exceedingly difficult to fight one's way up the field - and higher-licenced, more experienced racers should not have to jostle with the brand-new drivers for no fault of their own. I think calculating grids by licence points a good idea that works well. :)

Sam

StableX

29th July 2007, 16:08

a good racer should be able to get thru the field and will give a more fair spread of points.

niels1

29th July 2007, 16:16

a good racer should be able to get thru the field and will give a more fair spread of points.

Not so sure, at least you dont have to struggle to get upfront. If you are a good racer doesnt mean your able to get up front. Look at the carnage at the start. If your further back you have to get past all that. And with "noobs"on track it is even more difficult.

Dark Elite

29th July 2007, 17:35

niels is right with that, and it makes more experienced racers have to make a lot more passes - which could make them reckless and over-offensive, just trying to finish well.

Sam

Shotglass

29th July 2007, 17:54

actually id prefer a reversed grid ... the higher you climb the further back you start ... would make t1 much nicer as well

StableX

29th July 2007, 18:14

I know what u r saying Niels. My thought would be to have a server slightly less in size (nobody has to sit and spec seeing full race!!!). Have a second server for bump for the more advanced licenses, again with a slightly reduced size to current one.

If you reverse the grid, it will make the more advanced drivers go play on the higher licensed server.

Also, its more fair to those trying to get points to progress.... Just trying to think ahead and make it more fair for the masses!

niels1

29th July 2007, 21:54

Well nothing wrong with reversing grid. I like the idea with a server for higher license. I just had a few quick races tonight and it was like hell. I couldnt get from a 5th starting grid place through the first corner coming up 12 or even worse.

I watch the replays tonight and the newer racers dont even bother to breake at T1. Just barch in a car in front and take some places that way.

I certainly dont want to fill out any reports every time i do a couple of laps. But this way takes the joy from driving on bump and jump. The general idea seems to bump and jump is crashing your opponent out of race.

So I like your idea stable but on a different server for higher licensed racers. That way the wreckers and crashers are shaking off.

StableX

29th July 2007, 23:31

yeah, and with that system, it should push the higher point users to the other server.

Becky Rose

29th July 2007, 23:41

There is only 1 bump & jump server, so we cannot have a licence entry requirement. We have no plans to introduce a second server at this time.

It has not gone un-noticed that almost all reports for bump & jump concern drivers who are at the very back of the grid. Therefor it stands to reason the big problem is education rather than disrespect - drivers who are new to the format either dont read the $rules and $about pages, or dont understand them.

You guys can help here too by teaching and explaining the concept to new drivers, rather than scream at and abusing them.

It's your call.

On the subject of low driving standards: Currently we have about 40 or so reports in queue, although most of the bump and jump ones where cleared today.

StableX

30th July 2007, 00:07

Becky Rose

30th July 2007, 08:26

We do 24/7 adminning via the report feature, but as it happens I have spent a significant amount of time on the server since launch (I want a star grade licence before I get National A on the single seaters).

Dark Elite

30th July 2007, 09:14

nobody has to sit and spec seeing full race!!!This is a bit of a pet hate of mine... If you're going to complain about 'having' to watch a full race, I'd like to remind you that you don't have to be in the server at all :p
And would you like to have to wait a race or so to get onto the track, or sit there on the main server screen failing to get into the server at all?

Sorry, I just think people complaining about that are being very small-minded :)

Sam

niels1

30th July 2007, 10:09

......
You guys can help here too by teaching and explaining the concept to new drivers, rather than scream at and abusing them.

It's your call.

On the subject of low driving standards: Currently we have about 40 or so reports in queue, although most of the bump and jump ones where cleared today.

I think scream and abusing isnt the way. I am a big fan of education. But the thing is that the majority of racers think differently abot the Bump & Jump server.

Somehow the think its about wrecking and crashing your way up through the field. Nothing wrong with a little nutch now and then but when people dont use breaks at all at T1. I know fill out a report.

Yesterday I had a disput with a racer. He just didnt use breaks at T1. Therefor he knocked several out in T1. When I told that this wasnt the way he said you can give racers a push. And off course he told me he did use the breaks. Because he said it is a Bump & Jump server. :shrug:
I left it at that point, i didnt want to debat during a race.

But like you said the majority of reports are from the Bump & Jump server. So could it be that the rules on the Bump & Jump server arent clear ?
Are they compare it too much with a banger server ?.

niels1

30th July 2007, 10:14

This is a bit of a pet hate of mine... If you're going to complain about 'having' to watch a full race, I'd like to remind you that you don't have to be in the server at all :p
And would you like to have to wait a race or so to get onto the track, or sit there on the main server screen failing to get into the server at all?

Sorry, I just think people complaining about that are being very small-minded :)

Sam

Sam I think you took it the wrong way. StableX meant by using 2 servers the waiting for a race would be less. It has nothing to do with complaining in my point of view. By the use of 2 server the higher licensed driver are on a different server and know there way around. I think that is what StableX meant.

But like Becky said there are no plans for another server Bump & Jump. Or for that matter a license requirement.

Becky Rose

30th July 2007, 10:47

But like you said the majority of reports are from the Bump & Jump server. So could it be that the rules on the Bump & Jump server arent clear ?
The rules are clear, the problem is that every person here has at least 30 manuals for domestic appliances and over 100 software manuals they've never read.

On the CTRA we put the rules up on screen the moment a driver connects to each server type for the first time, they have to agree to those rules in order to play.

Unfortunately, agreeing and reading & understanding are different things when it comes to 'manuals'.

I've agreed to many more EULA's than i've ever read.

However, it does give us substantial weight when it comes to dealing with reports, if a driver has agreed to our terms of service. It's not like the rules are hidden away on a supporting web site.

Dark Elite

30th July 2007, 10:56

Sam I think you took it the wrong way. StableX meant by using 2 servers the waiting for a race would be less. It has nothing to do with complaining in my point of view. By the use of 2 server the higher licensed driver are on a different server and know there way around. I think that is what StableX meant.Ahh. In that case, StableX should take no offence whatsoever :) sorry about that. I didn't think he was complaining, but the mention of it got me started :razz:

Sam

StableX

30th July 2007, 11:38

Ahh. In that case, StableX should take no offence whatsoever :) sorry about that. I didn't think he was complaining, but the mention of it got me started :razz:

Sam

no complaint at all and no offense taken. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Lucky that Niels is on hand to be my translator :thumb:

Becky, you spend a huge amount of time on the bump server and its greatly appreciated. It's very difficult for someone not an admin to try to "inform" those that are try to take you out rather than bump of the rules. You usually get a mouthful back. That was all.... :)

StableX

30th July 2007, 11:39

I do take offense at the fact that you are from Leicester and live closer to the true global home of the best potato crisp in the world - Walkers!!!

SpikeyMarcoD

30th July 2007, 12:16

I do take offense at the fact that you are from Leicester and live closer to the true global home of the best potato crisp in the world - Walkers!!!

I must be missing out on a real good english/welsh joke i am sure. :scratchch

thisnameistaken

30th July 2007, 12:35

I do take offense at the fact that you are from Leicester and live closer to the true global home of the best potato crisp in the world - Walkers!!!

*ahem* (http://www.seabrookcrisps.com/)

Jakg

30th July 2007, 12:47

*ahem* (http://www.seabrookcrisps.com/)*ahem*
(http://www.kettlefoods.co.uk/site/HomePage.do?id=501.54)
Shame their getting harder and harder to find :(

Dark Elite

30th July 2007, 13:40

I do take offense at the fact that you are from Leicester and live closer to the true global home of the best potato crisp in the world - Walkers!!!Good. :razz:

Just to rub it in, they're only five miles down the road ;)

Here comes the massive debate on which crisp is the best... Look what you've done! Hehehe... Might as well join in :p
Walkers Sensations, the best, no error. :D

I must be missing out on a real good english/welsh joke i am sure.Nope, he's just insane and trying to find something to hold against me ;)

Sam

Becky Rose

30th July 2007, 13:44

/farewell Brannigans :(

niels1

30th July 2007, 14:15

I must be missing out on a real good english/welsh joke i am sure. :scratchch

Well your not the only 1. Havent got a clou. Its about "chips" but there it ends for me.

Jakg

30th July 2007, 15:06

in England Crips are a popular snack, Walkers are the biggest brand but imo "Premium Chips" like Kettle Chips are miles better.
http://www.londonleben.co.uk/photos/uncategorized/crisps.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/herefordandworcester/content/images/2005/06/17/crisps_420x284.jpg

thisnameistaken

30th July 2007, 15:21

The salt and balsamic vinegar ones are really nice, but the rest aren't. Those double gloucester cheese ones are manky.

I don't think "premium" crisps should be included in this conversation anyway, given that they're twice as expensive as normal crisps.

Brannigans were very special - I don't think they had a bad flavour among them, and they were the perfect accompaniment for a nice draught-pumped pint of Yorkshire bitter. :)

...

Would I be a bad person if I went to the pub at 4:20pm on a Monday?

StableX

30th July 2007, 15:35

Those double gloucester cheese ones are manky.

ROFL - he said MANKY :P

I actually find the Kettle crisps greasy. For me walkers have to be the best... but as siad before, sensation ROCK!!!!!

thisnameistaken

30th July 2007, 15:45

ROFL - he said MANKY :P

I'm failing to spot the ROFL factor.

Becky Rose

30th July 2007, 16:00

I think it only measures on the playground scale.

mrodgers

30th July 2007, 16:09

Interesting. Like automobiles, your potato chips even are called by different names. I highly suspect your Walker brand is the same as our Lay's brand over here, which is indeed the better of the snack chip brands.

http://www.indiabizclub.com/uploads/mukeshm_385P9_10_685.jpg

Actually, I prefer a local brand around western Pennsylvania rather than the nationally available large brands. They have a potato chip simply called "Hot". Yeah baby! It indeed is HOT, and quite tasty.

Dark Elite

30th July 2007, 16:15

Walkers are indeed the biggest brand, and it looks like you've found an equivilant, mrodgers :p

But why not combine premium goodness with Walkers dependability - like I said, Walkers Sensations ;)

Sam

thisnameistaken

30th July 2007, 16:24

I highly suspect your Walker brand is the same as our Lay's brand over here, which is indeed the better of the snack chip brands.

They are indeed the same (although I preferred Herr's when I was over there - I think they're Pennsylvanian crisps too). Thanks for pointing out to my taste-challenged compatriots that they are eating american crisps. :D

FOGlegsy

30th July 2007, 16:25

If it was down to my daughter the whole world would be eating these.... http://walkers.corpex.com/cr15p5/products.asp?snacktypeid=40 Im also close to leicester.. down the road in loughborough:thumb:

thisnameistaken

30th July 2007, 16:30

I still want to try these (http://www.jogt.de/mikkeli/megapussi.jpg).

zeugnimod

30th July 2007, 17:06

:yummy:

Sounds even better than elderberries.

Dark Elite

30th July 2007, 17:22

Cheesy Wotsits, the work of Satan himself... Nothing else can leave an aftertaste like that :razz:

Im also close to leicester.. down the road in loughboroughRavenstone, near Coalville - think I'm closer. :p
:xpirate:Undefeated Champion Of Being Nearest To The Home Of Walkers:xpirate:

Anything is better than elderberries. ;)

Sam

CELTIC100

31st July 2007, 00:06

I still want to try these (http://www.jogt.de/mikkeli/megapussi.jpg).

Your forgetting the original Scampy Fries thisnameistaken :thumb:

StableX

31st July 2007, 00:20

Your forgetting the original Scampy Fries thisnameistaken :thumb:

they are a can't stand or love!!!!

Personally, I always got annoyed that the bag was tiny!!!!

Locovich

31st July 2007, 01:36

Hi there!! Becky, i tried to send this via PM, but you seem to have them blocked, so i´m sending this way...
First, congrats for the great job done with CTRA, it´s pretty automatic and well adjusted. :)
Taking about Bumps and jumps:
I´m a layout fan (as well a creator, jeje) and i prepared one for you, if you like it fell free to put it in the server... i´ll be glad if so...:thumb:
Have a look, as i saw, sometimes theres a lot of drivers and the starts are many times a mess, so i separated in two circuits; like rally superprimes stages! This reduces the mess to the half...jeje... All drivers completes a lap when passes over his starting point (after driving over the two circuits). Also it has a cross, but i made it so nobody can cut it to cheat :D, and it has a lot of "grass packs" to prevent the "wall lag" (so annoying :()

Well... tell me what you think...:smileypul
http://rapidshare.com/files/46039688/AU1_super_ctra.lyt.html

Thanks...