How the Heck do some guys go so fast

[Count Duckula]

Hi All,

I've been racing single & multi AS-Nat, BF1 and my best time is 1:29:something but the top guys there clock 1:24:something. - I even asked one of them for his car setup which he gave me yet I was worse. For the life of me some corners I can't leave the breaking any later and the moment I give a pinch more gas comming out the corner I end up spinning - I'm on the raggard edge so how do they do it? BTW the top hot lap is 1:21:something - what am I missing??

[RiGun]

Maybe if you post a replay we could tell you what you could improve to be faster, but as it is we can't do anything.

[TaiFong]

Hi All,

I've been racing single & multi AS-Nat, BF1 and my best time is 1:29:something but the top guys there clock 1:24:something. - I even asked one of them for his car setup which he gave me yet I was worse. For the life of me some corners I can't leave the breaking any later and the moment I give a pinch more gas comming out the corner I end up spinning - I'm on the raggard edge so how do they do it? BTW the top hot lap is 1:21:something - what am I missing??


You are most likely missing practice and a bit of natural skill. I say natural skill because, no matter how much most of us practice, we still probably will never be able to touch the WRs.

[troy]

you sure you took the right car, maybe you accidentally hopped in a super aguri :D

serious answer:

practice, you cant expect to be as fast as racers who do that combo for months or years and got like 1000 laps already
if your interested in details you could also download some world record hotlaps and compare them to your driving with a telemetry tool

links:
http://www.lfsworld.net/?win=hotlaps&whichTab=wrs
http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Telemetry


have fun and good luck getting faster :)

edit: a replay of your driving for people to look at is always good also

[Doorman]

You are most likely missing practice and a bit of natural skill. I say natural skill because, no matter how much most of us practice, we still probably will never be able to touch the WRs.
Ain' dat da troof! :shrug:

[spiderbait90]

Just practice, practice, and practice some more. Heck, im still on average 1 - 2 seconds off the World Record, but i have imporved alot. Being fast isnt important. This is a Simulation. Yes, its maybe more ideal if you are fast, but as long as you enjoy it, then its goal achieved by the Devs.

[geeman1]

Just practice, practice, and practice some more.That's about it.
Also especially with BF1 you need to trust the car a lot. It can take many corners faster than you would think at first. Because of the huge reliance on downforce the car will grip more the faster you go.

[Meanie]

You are most likely missing practice and a bit of natural skill. I say natural skill because, no matter how much most of us practice, we still probably will never be able to touch the WRs.

If you really practice, and do it the smart way®, any given guy here can "touch" pretty much any WR (maybe excluding the top 5 real popular combos), now beating it is a different story...
Let alone beating it by a "big" margin.

[The Moose]

I'm on the raggard edge

That's the wrong place to be if you want to be fast.

Think smooth, dont overdrive the car. dont worry about braking as late as possible to start with. It better to brake a bit early and smoothly and to get a good exit from the corners, accelerating smoothly. Every bit of time lost exiting a corner will cost you on the straights.

You are using a wheel i presume? The BF1 without nice analogue controls is going to be a 'mare to drive i would imagine.

[Woz]

Hi All,

I've been racing single & multi AS-Nat, BF1 and my best time is 1:29:something but the top guys there clock 1:24:something. - I even asked one of them for his car setup which he gave me yet I was worse. For the life of me some corners I can't leave the breaking any later and the moment I give a pinch more gas comming out the corner I end up spinning - I'm on the raggard edge so how do they do it? BTW the top hot lap is 1:21:something - what am I missing??

Go SLOWER through corners and ease power on out of the corner. Dont treat the controls as digital controls. Tyres have a limit, drive to it not over it.

Thats enough of the Zen stuff now :)

[Count Duckula]

you sure you took the right car, maybe you accidentally hopped in a super aguri :D

serious answer:

practice, you cant expect to be as fast as racers who do that combo for months or years and got like 1000 laps already
if your interested in details you could also download some world record hotlaps and compare them to your driving with a telemetry tool

links:
http://www.lfsworld.net/?win=hotlaps&whichTab=wrs
http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Telemetry


have fun and good luck getting faster :)

edit: a replay of your driving for people to look at is always good also

Thanks all for the replies - I've download some hot laps which the files have a .spr extension however the telemetry tools F1perview and AnalyzeForSpeed both require .raf files so how would I use the hotlap files ?

[R3DMAN]

the WR is like 1:22 aswell lol :)

im gunna give this a bash now, ive never really raced with the BF1. so this will be a challenge for me. :)

[(-Mark-)]

tis good fun, if your not spun out (which always happens to me :P)

[R3DMAN]

well i just tried it with the setup that is on inferno..

i managed a ... wait for it.... 1:29:xxx

and i thought i was going pretty fast..

but i top out at 200 down the main straight.

[N I K I]

dunno ppl. as nat is simple track, so 1:25-1:26 should be easy (i did that in my first laps). I have 83 laps and 1:23.18 PB time whit R3 tires in race conditions, so yup AS Nat is not a real challenge not even for BF1 :shrug:

[geeman1]

well i just tried it with the setup that is on inferno..The inferno set is crap. It might be WR fast, but it's hard to drive consistently and it eats tires.

[troy]

Thanks all for the replies - I've download some hot laps which the files have a .spr extension however the telemetry tools F1perview and AnalyzeForSpeed both require .raf files so how would I use the hotlap files ?

first you need to place those .spr (single player replay) files into your lfs\data\spr folder

and then do what the wiki tells you:

To create a RAF file, record a single player replay and then watch the replay. At any time during the lap BEFORE the lap you wish to analyse, press ESC and click on "Output lap data" and type in a name for the RAF file. Output will start when the car crosses the finish line. The RAF will be stored in the "lfs\data\raf" folder.

[Greboth]

What troy said :) Do the same with your lap too. I have never used f1 perview only analyse for speed (afs). Just open the WR .raf file and your .raf and compare where you are different.

Using AFS what I have found useful for improving my times is to look at the track and see the line that the WR holder takes compared to mine then adjusting mine to that line. After that it is a case of going as fast as you can sticking to your line. Again look in afs and see where you are slower and see if you can possible go 1mph faster through the corner.

[theirishnoob]

i think your pc can limit you alot because even when i dirve the f1 at blackwood , if i go over 200 mph my fps go's from 40 to 20 so i cant break in time :S

other then that , drive around the track at 80 , find new braking points. :nod:

[mrodgers]

well i just tried it with the setup that is on inferno..

i managed a ... wait for it.... 1:29:xxx

and i thought i was going pretty fast..

but i top out at 200 down the main straight.
I don't like open wheelers, and the BF1 is my absolute least favorite. Just out of curiosity, I tried with the inferno set as well. Took me 6 laps (1/4th of my total laps in the BF1 in LFS :D) to get use to the brakes locking up super easy and the horrible understeer I was seeing with the inferno set and hit 1:29.44. Lap 7 I ran out of fuel and couldn't be bothered with refueling and I knocked 2 seconds off the split time on that lap (0.39 down to 0.37 split).

The funny thing is, I had far less corner speed in the BF1 than I do in the FZR. But I have 24 laps total in BF1 and over 2000 just at AS National in the FZR. Might have something to do with it :D.

[son-of-satan]

That's about it.
Also especially with BF1 you need to trust the car a lot. It can take many corners faster than you would think at first. Because of the huge reliance on downforce the car will grip more the faster you go.

no shit! in the beggining i was afarid i would spin out and into other cars :P
now i'm taking alot more risks with it :)

[Shotglass]

you should really post one of your replays to get some proper help

all i can tell you with the info youve provided is that you must be doing something seriously wrong

[sam1600]

Forget about practicing your driving.

Most (all?) of the fast guys cheat.

You should practice your hex-editing skills instead. That's the only way to be fast.

[Dalek0220]

Forget about practicing your driving.

Most (all?) of the fast guys cheat.

You should practice your hex-editing skills instead. That's the only way to be fast.
No.
I don't (at least anymore) cheat.

[Vykos69]

Forget about practicing your driving.

Most (all?) of the fast guys cheat.

You should practice your hex-editing skills instead. That's the only way to be fast.

hahahaha, NO

[Count Duckula]

Hi all and thank you for all the replies - Troy thank you for answering the spr question - I'll do that as soon as I get home this evening. I'll also post my fastest raf file here so you guys can have a look at it.
BTW my best time is 1:29:xx

theirishnoob (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=140022) vbmenu_register("postmenu_474087", true); comment about fps makes sense however I think my rig is powerful enough - Pentium 3.4, 2GB Ram, nVidia 7800 but I'll check my fps out too.

mrodgers (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=52087) vbmenu_register("postmenu_474119", true); it also didn't take me too long to get 1.29.xx but when guys are clocking 1.24.xx and the WR is 1.21.xx that's a whole 5 & 8 seconds difference.

son-of-satan (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=130206) vbmenu_register("postmenu_474164", true); the thing is I do spin out or lock up the moment I try brake a fraction later or try carry just a little more speed through the corner?

Shotglass (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=57535) vbmenu_register("postmenu_474171", true); I'll post one tonight. - What I have picked up when spectating is that I brake way to early compared to others for example I'll hit the breaks at about the 100 meter mark while others hit it after the 50 meter mark and when I try that -BANG into the barrier Maybe as sam1600 says the fast guys have done some hex-editing and that's why they are able to stop so quickly ???

[Vykos69]

Shotglass (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=57535) vbmenu_register("postmenu_474171", true); I'll post one tonight. - What I have picked up when spectating is that I brake way to early compared to others for example I'll hit the breaks at about the 100 meter mark while others hit it after the 50 meter mark and when I try that -BANG into the barrier Maybe as sam1600 says the fast guys have done some hex-editing and that's why they are able to stop so quickly ???
NO, I can assure you, that there is no such thing like hex editing to brake later. Not in S2 licensed full version, the anti cheat protection from LFS works very well. Same goes for the .spr files you can get on lfsworld.

I do think, maybe it's your controller (what are you using) setup, car setup and lack of feel maybe. But without a replay from you driving, no one can judge that.

Again: NO, DONT PUT YOUR SLOWNESS ON CHEATING, THERE AINT! (not online in S2, not in hotlapping)

[southamptonfc]

There are 3 ctitical parts to AS Nat,

Turn 9/10, the chicane before the start finish straight
Turn 2 , the fast right hander
Turn 6, the second slow hairpin

To get a faster laptime, work on these corners.

Turn 9/10 you must use a lot of kerb and not induce tc TC.
Turn 2 you must carry as much speed as possible, you don't brake, just lift
Turn 6 you must take the line which allows you to get the power down as early as possible

Make sure are you on the white line heading towards a corner, then touching the apex of every corner and touch the white line again on the exit.
hth

[Nighty]

You can't expect to be hitting WR's when youve only driven 675 miles.

[obsolum]

You can't expect to be hitting WR's when youve only driven 675 miles.
Exactly. Can't believe it took so long before someone pointed that out. When you've only got 675 miles online, you haven't even got to the tip of the iceberg in terms of driving skill / experience.

[Darkone55]

Forget about practicing your driving.

Most (all?) of the fast guys cheat.

You should practice your hex-editing skills instead. That's the only way to be fast.

Haha.. You should get an error if you load the WR lap then. ;)

What Vykos says, it's (nearly?) impossible to cheat online.


There are 3 ctitical parts to AS Nat,

Turn 9/10, the chicane before the start finish straight
Turn 2 , the fast right hander
Turn 6, the second slow hairpin

To get a faster laptime, work on these corners.

Turn 9/10 you must use a lot of kerb and not induce tc TC.
Turn 2 you must carry as much speed as possible, you don't brake, just lift
Turn 6 you must take the line which allows you to get the power down as early as possible

Make sure are you on the white line heading towards a corner, then touching the apex of every corner and touch the white line again on the exit.
hth

In T1 (or Turn 2, as you call it) I tap the brake just a little, but maybe it's not even necessary.

I see some people who use a wheel, think that you can use digital pedals now, with TC on. That's not true, just like any other rear wheel drive you have to be easy with the throttle, play a lot with it. Not just jump on it when you think you can, get on it slightly. Same for the brakes, get off the brakes slightly, maybe trailbrake a little.


Btw, I've driven about 65228 miles (104974 Km) online.. So maybe that's says a little.... :x

[Nighty]

I'm online now, for the next hour. I don't race the BF1 so have no setup for it. See what I can do.:scratchch

[Nighty]

1:26:30 :scratchch don't know where 4 secs are going to come from. Practice?

[nikimere]

You should practice your hex-editing skills instead. That's the only way to be fast.
Hah! Classic case of sore-looser-itus if you ask me.

[Madman_CZ]

you should be able to get to within at least 1 to 1.5 seconds of the world lap record. That would be good pace, the last second is always the hardest to find and requires a perfect lap.

Few days ago I was racing the FOX at South City Town a combo that I have never raced. After my first ten laps i was doing 1.18s (wr is 1.12.3) I thought to myself christ!!!, where the hell are they making the time up as I thought i was doing perfect laps. Over time thought I was able to find more speed and learn how to take certain corners and gradually reduced my time down to 1.15 after 50 laps or so. It is still way off the world record but i found 3 seconds which I thought were never there!! With more practise and track time I am sure i will gradually get use to the fox and find the extra 1-2 seconds to get into the 1.13s at least. I would be happy then :P

it may look and seem impossible but its not. You just need to practise and find how to take certain corners fast. Practise makes perfect :p

[Jakg]

No.
I don't (at least anymore) cheat.:x

[DANDAMAN05]

gotya jack... just wait untill Teamspeak :thumb: :bewarespa

[Nighty]

1:26:30 :scratchch don't know where 4 secs are going to come from. Practice?
Down to 1:25:50

[battle]

I can help you out with becoming faster with the BF on Aston National. Only done 63 laps but my pb is a 1.23.41, just pm and we can might meet up at a server and i'll give you some tips.

[CasseBent]

When you start accusing the top guys of cheating, that's when you now you're a really shit racer. That said, I'm in god mode 24/7 and I'm still crap

[Count Duckula]

Ok Guys here is my raf and the WR raf to compare and yea I can see where he is faster but the speed he's carrying through the 1st corner seems almost impossible???

[Count Duckula]

I can help you out with becoming faster with the BF on Aston National. Only done 63 laps but my pb is a 1.23.41, just pm and we can might meet up at a server and i'll give you some tips.

Thanks I'll take you up on your offer I'll pm you when next I'm on proberly soon just after I've gone through the forum

[geeman1]

Ok Guys here is my raf and the WR raf to compare and yea I can see where he is faster but the speed he's carrying through the 1st corner seems almost impossible???Your lines are just off. You are coming in at too inside and turn-in a bit late, as a whole you take corners too tightly. That makes you have to brake more and slows down your cornering speeds. What you need to do is come in to a corner on the outside and turn-in early, making a big smooth turn ending up on the outside on the exit. That way you can carry more speed through the corner and start accelerating again sooner, which makes you go faster on the straigths.

[Count Duckula]

Guys Thank you all for the advise - I guess I need to practice and get right what you say.