4dr Car.. [Archive] - Live for Speed

ajp71

30th October 2005, 14:55

LOL of course Bob has a license he rights setup guides that are way too confusing and complicated for idiots like me :D

So LanEvo is not race car? Rrrright :D

No it's a rally replica, good cross country, fun for track days, but I have never seen a Evo or an Impreza being used for circuit racing, they are heavy and 4WD gives them little advantage on track. I have seen a few of them being used on hillclimbs (where the 4WD and short wheel base become an advantage), but they weren't built for circuit racing.

Fonnybone

30th October 2005, 18:20

Ya, i don't consider the Sub or Evo to be race cars either.
You can stick an enormously over-powered turbo4 in
any awd car and get a fast rally car. Having lots of
power doesn't make them race cars, although they
can surely beat many 'race' cars in raw speed.
They do make various versions though, some more
aimed at pure racing then others.

Race cars usually are built that way from the start.
Else, they are modified to the extend that they barely
have any relation with any street car. NASCARS are an
extreme example of 'street' cars racing, there is not much
ressembling any street car apart from the body shape and
perhaps some mechanical parts here and there. Oh yeah,
and it's got 4 wheels.

The only 4door racing i'Ve seen is ToCA (i'm using a name
we can all understand, we all see that silver A4 Audi
with the big red 4-rings logo, right ?! hehe). This is the
kind of car that the FX0 represents from my point of view.
2-door, 4-door, does it matter ? Maybe a 4-door FX then ?

I haven't seen any 4door cars in any other forms of racing, except
backyard shopping center autoX where street cars get tortured
waaayyyy beyond their specs, hehe :P

Vendetta

30th October 2005, 18:34

Some planes have 4 doors..

Lola Popeye

30th October 2005, 18:36

funny how many people didnt read my post early on, i think that is a great example of 4 door racing:)

ajp71

30th October 2005, 18:40

An Evo or Subaru won't even come close to any racing car, look at anything purpose built even with small engines they lap at incredible speeds, a 140 bhp single seater will run at the same pace as a GT3 car, and will out pace almost all sports cars, no road car short of the supercars will out run them on the circuit, even Imprezas and Evos with huge amounts of power will be beaten on all but the fastest tracks.

Go-carter

30th October 2005, 18:59

yeah right, so there's no-one racing with 4-door cars?

http://www.eurostc.com/2k5/gallery.asp

......:nod: ......

ajp71

30th October 2005, 19:36

yeah right, so there's no-one racing with 4-door cars?

As already posted there are BTCC/WTCC 2 litre touring cars and V8 Supercars, both of which are hardly production based, V8 supercars would be like the GTRs with a big V8, not a completely new experience.

This is what I call true four door racing :D

http://www.jec.org.uk/racing/2005/images/snet-2304u.jpg

Stellios

30th October 2005, 20:16

first maybe you should try getting S2 full?

but yea, i think it'll be cool slogging around a big heavy family sedan through South City with insane amounts of HP :)
http://www.v8supercars.com.au/v8data/2005/EVNT_194/PHOTOS/PHITP_20749.JPG
http://www.v8supercars.com.au/v8data/2005/EVNT_194/PHOTOS/PHITP_20778.JPG

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...drools :D

btw more can be found here www.v8supercars.com.au

Now that is exactly what i want in this game. Was disappointed to see that nearly every car is a turbo. A proper barge V8 is the only thing missing from this game in my opinion.

ajp71

30th October 2005, 20:44

The problem with the V8 Supercars is they are still running slicks on a six speed sequential box with an LSD, they won't handle that differently to the other GTRs, whats really needed (as you might have noticed in my earlier spam :D) is a 60s/70s barge on road tires and fairly standard with no LSD.

Supra1993

30th October 2005, 21:20

i do have s2 full and i dont see a sedan

Supra1993

30th October 2005, 21:22

are u sure ?! theres rally racing with 4drs, theres touring racing with 4dr cars, and if u read about lfs palns it says that they wants to include all types of racing

Edit by Fonnybone: You are aware that you agreed NOT to use swears and
insult people aren't you ? Please use more appropriate language, if that fails,
a walk outside might help you cool off before posting .

tristancliffe

30th October 2005, 21:40

What difference does the number of doors make? Can't the passengers get in via tilt and slide front seats?

the_angry_angel

30th October 2005, 21:51

oh noes! I dont think the current physics model supports deformable seats!!!!111oneoneoneone :p

:D

Huru-aito

30th October 2005, 21:56

but I have never seen a Evo or an Impreza being used for circuit racing

Crazy people in Japan! Couldn't find much info in English, but if you wanna try search for Super Taikyu :)

http://www.so-net.ne.jp/s-taikyu/2005/round7/phtglry/016.jpg

ajp71

30th October 2005, 22:32

I know these cars do race in JGTC, but they will bear little resemblence to the production cars.

@ Supra1993 - touring cars are very similar to the XFR, only the wheelbase is majorly different, so maybe another bigger car could be added in that class for variety, but it wouldn't be anything we haven't already seen. Hopefully LFS won't go back to the rally idea, seeing as the RB4 (Celica) is basically the same as an Impreza (2 litre turbo charged 4, AWD, bloody heavy).

Anyway who wants WTCC cars, little FWD things (yes there is the BMW before you correct me ;)) what about Mustangs and Camaros and an old Jag or Rover thrown in for good measure and yes I am going to keep spamming til I get one :D

Huru-aito

30th October 2005, 22:48

I wasn't talking about SuperGT (former JGTC) racing - like you said they are far away from being stock cars. Super Taikyu is more like Group N (the so called production cars) racing.

Rotary

31st October 2005, 01:18

@ajp71: Aussie V8 Supercars differ a lot from the LFS GTR cars. Our V8 supercars do not use an LSD, their diffs are locked. They also have 600HP + and they do not use a sequential box - they have a 6-speed Holinger gearbox, complete with clutch! That's a H shift pattern in a modern race sedan. The minimum weight is 1355kg's. V8 supercars only come in front engine rear wheel drive config, no rear engine or AWD. That's just for starters.. let's not forgot that they use NA 5 litre V8's in a 4 door sedan, none of this hair dryer crap :D.

But, I agree, some older style cars would be awesome rather than some more modern race machines.

Also, here in Australia we have near stock performance car racing known as the Procar Australia GT Performance. As you can see in my link, the specs for the Evo's/WRX's (and other cars) is as close to stock as possible. Some things are changed/added for safety reasons etc. This class offers some of the best racing in Aus, too bad it doesn't get the TV coverage it deserves.

http://www.procar.com.au/carlist.asp?cat_id=2

Fonnybone

31st October 2005, 02:56

Crazy people in Japan! Couldn't find much info in English, but if you wanna try search for Super Taikyu :)

http://www.so-net.ne.jp/s-taikyu/2005/round7/phtglry/016.jpg

Wow, what's wrong with these cars ?! Are they drifting ? Look at the 3 cars
(Porsche,Sub,350Z) in the back coming out of the turn, they are heading way
off course...

nosliw

31st October 2005, 04:29

Wow, what's wrong with these cars ?! Are they drifting ? Look at the 3 cars
(Porsche,Sub,350Z) in the back coming out of the turn, they are heading way
off course...

I'm geussing its a warm up lap or pace cars out and there weaving to warm up the tires :shy:

JTbo

31st October 2005, 19:44

As far as I know, very few single seater has even one door, I don't fully understand idea to compare LanEvo to single seater when we are trying to get into conclusion if LanEvo is race car or not. :tilt:

Now, we do have also rallycross layouts, LanEvo is not race car and therefore not a rally car? I disagree and I think that similar design would fit rather nicely into LFS, over 300bhp also, maybe white paper says something else, but we must remember that usually manufacturers in Japan report less power than there really is, maybe it was some tax thing or some other law that did make things difficult after that hp figure.

operator0

31st October 2005, 20:27

I don't believe people are properly explaining what they mean. Here's how I'm interpreting it: People want a class of car that is heavy, but has decent power. How about something along the lines of an E39 BMW M5. Not race cars, heavy grocery getters that have enough power to make them fun. Would deffinately put a completely different dynamic on the game. What's the heaviest car in LFS? The GTT? What, all 2800lbs of it?

BTW, just so you know. E36 four doors are the prefered chasis over two door E36s. They're stiffer if you can believe it.

ajp71

31st October 2005, 21:13

As far as I know, very few single seater has even one door, I don't fully understand idea to compare LanEvo to single seater when we are trying to get into conclusion if LanEvo is race car or not. :tilt:

Don't quite understand how you've managed to read my post, the Lancer Evo is never going to be a race car end of story, neither are any of the GTRs, they are still loosly production based, to get to a true purpose built race car you'd be looking at cars like the former GT1 class, the Renault Megane V6 or Silhouette racers of the 80s.

There's nothing wrong in the Evo, or using it for racing, but it's not even be designed for the circuit in the same way a 911 has, and a 911 is not a true race car, it still is a production car that has been converted, it may be very well set up and may perform very well in its new function, but it still was not designed for racing.

JTbo

1st November 2005, 17:01

Don't quite understand how you've managed to read my post, the Lancer Evo is never going to be a race car end of story, neither are any of the GTRs, they are still loosly production based, to get to a true purpose built race car you'd be looking at cars like the former GT1 class, the Renault Megane V6 or Silhouette racers of the 80s.

There's nothing wrong in the Evo, or using it for racing, but it's not even be designed for the circuit in the same way a 911 has, and a 911 is not a true race car, it still is a production car that has been converted, it may be very well set up and may perform very well in its new function, but it still was not designed for racing.

Ok, from my opinion car is a race car if it is taking part to organized race event. Some race cars are basicly road cars with rollcage and number on door. When car is completely build for racing not based to any desing of road car, we usually are getting into some Formula class.

WRC cars have same base of body than road version, some other parts are also same/near to same as road car, but road and wrc version are not in any way similar as wrc version is build from scratch only purpose is rallying and it has designed for that use, even body is practically built again. But even wrc car is not race car from your opinion?

How about DTM cars? Those sure looks bit like production cars, but I don't think that they have even single part that is same as production car.

Why 4-door saloon have to be race car and XR GT does not need to be race car to get into LFS?

I think that I have missed now something here, right? :)

Fonnybone

1st November 2005, 17:21

WRC cars have same base of body than road version, some other parts are also same/near to same as road car, but road and wrc version are not in any way similar as wrc version is build from scratch only purpose is rallying and it has designed for that use, even body is practically built again. But even wrc car is not race car from your opinion?

Yes, and this is why Subaru and Mitsubishi are USING this to sell VERY regular
cars with nothing in common but the name. It's also why every Subaru WRX
road car you see is dressed up in 'RallyWear' and why most of their drivers
think they are the be all to end all of street racing.

Again, nothing wrong with these cars, both the Sub and Evo are great
performers, they are simply not purpose-built race cars. It doesn't mean
you can't race them, and win !

Like i read in EuropeanCar magazine, it may beat a Ferrari off the line,
but at the end of the day, you are still driving a Mitsubishi and he's still
driving a Ferrari. I'll take the Ferrari any day thank you. How many women
even KNOW what an EVO is ?! ;)

As for the suggestion here, personally, i couldn't care less if it's old/new,
race/street built, 2 or 4 doors. I'd just like some raw big engined car to
represent 'muscle' cars and things like camaros/firebirds & mustangs/capris.
American iron in other words.

ajp71

1st November 2005, 19:06

Ok, from my opinion car is a race car if it is taking part to organized race event. Some race cars are basicly road cars with rollcage and number on door. When car is completely build for racing not based to any desing of road car, we usually are getting into some Formula class.

I would consider a race car to be a car that has little or no mechanical resemblence to any road car it may be dressed up as, a DTM car will have no mechanical relation to the production cars. A WRC car will have been built from an original (but heavilly strengthed and modified shell) with all the drivetrain having no relation to the road car it is based on, a GT/Touring car likewise.

Whilst any car that races is in one sense a 'race car', what makes a race car IMO is what fuction it was built for, a true production based car (ignore BTCC, WTCC, Clio Cup, Carrera Cup etc. they are all built from shell up) is a car that started life as a production car and was at some point converted for racing, they range from Stock Hatches to sports cars, but are only found in club racing as the chassis will be essentially standard, they may have big, even full race engines but they are still a highly modified road car underneath, alot are no longer road legal and would be completely impractical for any road use.

The next lot of cars are the so called 'production' racers, normally built by professional outlets they are current cars, which have been redesigned from shell up with new diffs', 'boxes and very unstandard engines. These cars will all have had alot of work done to the shell to increase the chassis stiffness.

Race cars are those cars that have been built purely for racing, to a set of regulations and maybe a rough profile to follow (think DTM, silhouette racers (http://www.racing70s.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/Saloons/SkodaSugden2003.jpg) etc.) These cars do not share the shell of a production car and depending on how advanced they are will use either a spaceframe or monocoque construction, often using the engine as a stressed member, no one has ever made an Evo like this (as far as I'm aware) so thats why they aren't race cars in my book.

Why 4-door saloon have to be race car and XR GT does not need to be race car to get into LFS?

Maybe you missed my spam but I haven't said we need 4 door race cars, more old barges. Although IMO all the cars in LFS should be what you call race cars (with cages). Cars that go racing must have a rollcage (or rollbar for open cars of under 2000cc. - there are some exceptions as well), and drivers must wear HELMETS.

Huru-aito

1st November 2005, 20:48

The HKS TRB-02 is the most extreme evo there is that I'm aware of. It still uses an evo bodyshell, although modified.

http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0408_2canplay/index.html

Dunno why I'm posting this, well at least now you know there indeed is a few evos etc used in racing :)

Nick_ll

2nd November 2005, 06:21

BTW, just so you know. E36 four doors are the prefered chasis over two door E36s. They're stiffer if you can believe it.
Yeah and at the end of the e36 racing era, PTG Racing in the USA swapped to the 4 doors both because they were stiffer and more aerodynamic.....

What I don't understand here is that crap about the racecars not being actually race versions of the road going counterparts. I mean, as long as it's the same basic chassis, even if you strip off all of the interior trim, sound muffling materials and put in a rollcage, it still remains the same chassis that is used in the production cars. NASCAR isn't that way and AFAIK DTM neither. Those series are purpose built racecars that have a lookalike body of what the manufacturers want you to believe is the same vehicle you can buy at your local dealer, but they actually are not.
Things like the V8 Supercars AFAIK are really based off of the real Holden or Falcon chassis. Just like Touring cars. Ok some of them have sequential transmissions, but they actually use the same chassis as the cars you can buy at your dealer.

http://www.world-challenge.com/

operator0

2nd November 2005, 17:29

What I don't understand here is that crap about the racecars not being actually race versions of the road going counterparts. I mean, as long as it's the same basic chassis, even if you strip off all of the interior trim, sound muffling materials and put in a rollcage, it still remains the same chassis that is used in the production cars. NASCAR isn't that way and AFAIK DTM neither. Those series are purpose built racecars that have a lookalike body of what the manufacturers want you to believe is the same vehicle you can buy at your local dealer, but they actually are not.
Things like the V8 Supercars AFAIK are really based off of the real Holden or Falcon chassis. Just like Touring cars. Ok some of them have sequential transmissions, but they actually use the same chassis as the cars you can buy at your dealer.

http://www.world-challenge.com/

Yeah, ajp has confused me in two threads now. I'm not sure his opinion of what a race car is can actualy be taken seriously.

Here's a question; What kind of car is the 2003 Audi S4 that won the manufacture's championship in the biggest road racing series in America? It's not a race car right? What kind of car is it?

How about this? What kind of car is this? It was built from the ground up to be a track racer. Does that make it a race car or is it still street car? I mean pretty much the only thing left on the car that's original production is some sheet metal. It has a purpose built chasis, a purpose built suspension and a purpose built drivetrain. It's got to be a race car right?

JTbo

2nd November 2005, 17:35

Wikipedia and others describe race car as fast car used for racing.
That is how I understand it also.

Volvo 850 Station Wagon was succesful race car in BTCC, that has 5-doors and I think something like that would be nice to have too. Why not Volvo S60R 300bhp and all wheel drive, different suspension settings from button, maybe bit heavy but that could be quite nice challenge to make drive similar in LFS as in reallife.

Nick_ll

2nd November 2005, 19:12

Yeah that's what a racecar is. The question is: what is a purpose-built racecar?

To that question we can answer by comparing a BMW M3 GTR and a NASCAR.
The M3 GTR is actually a real e46 chassis. BMW has taken pretty much everything out of it, put lightweight plastic windows, put a fuel cell, wings, a flat bottom, a diffuser, a rollcage and a purpose-built 4 liters V8, but it still has a hewland 6 speed manual transmission, the e46 M3 steering, a dashboard very similar to that of the road car and the chassis is basically the same as that of the e46 you can buy at your BMW dealer if you are rich enough. The same goes for the Porsche 911 GT3 RSR and the 911 GT3 you can buy at your Porsche dealer. I consider those cars race versions of their road going counterparts, and I call them close. It's not as close as what you will find in the Speed World Challenge Touring, but that's the difference between Touring car and GT racing.
On the other hand, we have NASCAR. Those things are ironically called stock cars. They are tube frame purpose-built chassis with a shell over them and with HEADLIGHT DECALS and STICKERS to make them look like something a little closer to the road going "counterpart" (because it's not a real counterpart) than they actually are. I don't have a problem with racing such cars, I have a problem with the manufacturers trying to make people believe they can buy something similar at their local dealer when there is actually no such thing you can buy that is similar.

Fonnybone

2nd November 2005, 19:40

No one is asking you to understand our point of view. Now i know
why they sell so many street 'race' cars...as long as you are confused,
they are happy.

dewyl

5th February 2007, 19:01

so back to 4 doors race-"family" car: just like volvo 850R,and has sound like a devil with 5cyl :D:D

Linsen

5th February 2007, 21:10

Where did you dig this thread out? It's well over one year old.

JJ72

6th February 2007, 03:09

As already posted there are BTCC/WTCC 2 litre touring cars and V8 Supercars, both of which are hardly production based, V8 supercars would be like the GTRs with a big V8, not a completely new experience.

This is what I call true four door racing :D

http://www.jec.org.uk/racing/2005/images/snet-2304u.jpg

I need that badly!

m4vrick

6th February 2007, 04:03

+1 for the e39 ///M5
A perfect heavy but not to heavy 4 door autox, racing v8 400 horses of a beast. I would pay for another license just to get that into this sim. :)

KeiichiRX7

6th February 2007, 09:52

actually this tread does bring up a very good point. All of our race cars are very much production based.

A purpose build class might be fun to have around. A step up from the GTR's

Jamexing

7th February 2007, 06:00

The only race cars that AREN'T road car based in LFS are the SS's (single seaters).

So, what is RACECAR? Basically a car that is setup and used for competitive driving on any legal racing event. Rallies, Lemans, etc are all races because they all involve trying to finish a race in the least time OR covering thr greatest distance in a given time.

So, would a heavily modified Lancer Evolution setup for track use only be a Racecar? YES. Why? Beacuse it is only good for circuit use only and is definitely not road legal. The same would apply for a group N car beacause although they are production based and aren't purpose built to race only, they are modified, setup and used for racing only. Of course, a heavily modified Ferrari F50 used for GT racing only would definitely be a Racecar too. It has many features of full-blown Racecars, such as an engine used as a stressed member, with the rear suspension connected directly to it. A transmission connected directly onto the chassis. Or Racecar style inboard rear dampers and so on. The F50 is basically a racecar compromised as little as possible for the road.

By definition, a car that can only e lgally used for racing in legal racin events is a RACECAR. Case closed.

KartRacer

9th February 2007, 05:07

We need one of these:

http://www.triplezoom.com/news/uploads/001_008.jpg
and:
http://www.speedtv.com/_assets/library/img/large/119210_06mostcq17.jpg
and:
http://www.world-challenge.com/files/photos/thumbnails/DSC_3821_720x0.JPG

could possibly go against the UFR and XFR if tweaked a bit!

RaVeR

12th February 2007, 00:02

Why does it HAVE to be a race car? we have road cars in lfs :pillepall

Anyway i'd like to see some sort of supersaloon simular to a bmw m5

1303s_vortech

12th February 2007, 01:21

:scratchch ... This will get myself to be gunned down in flammes...

Since everyone here is asking for a 4 door sedan, ... I would add :" Hey, why not a 4 door station wagon? "...:schwitz:

greets

dewyl

12th February 2007, 17:41

the street version:
http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/photopost/data/3029/medium/2850R-2.jpg
http://imgs.idnes.cz/ak_aktual/A040105_SAM_1024VOLVO850R01_N.JPG

and the "gtr" bout 540hp:
http://www.3000toys.com/images/motorart/1237.jpg
http://btcc.worldracing.info/photos/2.jpg
http://www.victrace.demon.nl/mgs/T5web/back.jpg
http://wwwrsphysse.anu.edu.au/~amh110/all_gifs/Turbo%20page%20gifs/850.BTCC.jpg

and a vid:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dGDxgYWG5MU
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

JTbo

12th February 2007, 17:55

:scratchch ... This will get myself to be gunned down in flammes...

Since everyone here is asking for a 4 door sedan, ... I would add :" Hey, why not a 4 door station wagon? "...:schwitz:

greets

Perhaps because there is no 4 door station wagon, those are 5 door, AFAIK :D

dewyl, I like you, please bring more bricks to LFS :thumb:

S14 DRIFT

14th February 2007, 01:38

Give us a proper torque converter auto box !

Tomclark21

18th December 2007, 17:14

At least 3 variations of each type of car available. We've got to have a Fwd, Rwd, Awd 4doors including estates!

I don't mind so much but I'd even say going as far as racing stripped touring car versions for all the 3 4doors (not estates) Or even rally versions that CAN compete with the 2 door cars in the rally classes...

Heres my idea :

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m249/RouteUK/FX04D.jpg

Cheers. Excuse my Photoshop.

EDIT: Well maybe I shouldn't demand things but it would be nice.

LJF

23rd December 2009, 05:41

Sedans are my all-time favorite type of car, they're just so general, they can be anything from rally cars to family cars to V8's racing cars.

Two new sedans would most definitely make me happy.

Edit: it's not how fast a car goes or what they use to race with that makes a car a good car, it's how fun it is to drive and how useful it is in my opinion. I really don't like the GTR class all that much for that very reason, they go vrooom and are quite fast but they're so cliche and not all that fun to drive. Why is it that people always love them, I don't mean to be rude, I just don't understand, is it just because they're fast?

Plastics

23rd December 2009, 05:43

LFS is made as an Racing Simulator , not as an car catalog.

pinoykid13

23rd December 2009, 05:48

29th October 2005......

blackbird04217

23rd December 2009, 07:11

He's bumping all sorts of old improvement ideas.

senn

23rd December 2009, 07:12

at least he isn't starting new threads.

manneF1

23rd December 2009, 09:55

at least he isn't starting new threads.

Witch one is better?:shrug:

broken

23rd December 2009, 10:26

LFS is made as an Racing Simulator , not as an car catalog.
So then why do we need more than 1 car, and why do we need the incoming updates as it's not a track catalog either? Would you like it if we had 1 car and 1 track and nothing more? :really:

He's bumping all sorts of old improvement ideas.
Would you actually give him a positive reply if he made a new thread about it? That's not an excuse if you don't like the suggestion :razz:

JasonJ

23rd December 2009, 12:20

Which one is better?:shrug:Since you asked,
Adding a contribution and your own ideas to an existing thread is much better than starting a duplicate thread. I don't think the devs and mods are facepalming and pulling their hair out saying, - "OMG old thread just got bumped with some ideas, run for cover!"

The only pointless time to bump an old thread is just to say something like
"Lolz I agree"

hazaky

23rd December 2009, 12:31

I agree with some guys (after the bump). I wonder, why and how do they find those threads? :D Maybe its like that theyr new into here and checking all threads and going over from page to page until the last one pops up and then they take a thread from there to respond. Weird, bumps dont annoy me tho. Better than new threads all the time :tilt:

LJF

23rd December 2009, 22:06

Lol sorry about that, I was in the improvement list and followed a few links, didn't realize they were so old :D

blackbird04217

24th December 2009, 04:24

Would you actually give him a positive reply if he made a new thread about it? That's not an excuse if you don't like the suggestion :razz:

I've never complained to anyone about bumping old threads being wrong, nor have I ever shot anyone down for making a thread that is already started. I simply made a judgment saying there has been several threads bumped, by him, quite recently. As he explained, he was going through the suggestion list and clicked on a few that he liked.

There was no complaint in my post, just an observation, sorry if it sounded like a complaint to anyone who took it that way, especially LJF.

UnknownMaster21

24th December 2009, 09:02

2005...2007...2009... ...2011? :)

And about this thread...No

rockclan

24th December 2009, 10:34

I'm getting sick off this community.
If you start a new thread about something that has been asked 1 or 2 times before you get:

"USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION ********"

If people are smart enough to do that you get:

"STOP BUMPING OLD THREADS *******"

Get a life please!:schwitz:

broken

24th December 2009, 15:30

I've never complained to anyone about bumping old threads being wrong, nor have I ever shot anyone down for making a thread that is already started. I simply made a judgment saying there has been several threads bumped, by him, quite recently. As he explained, he was going through the suggestion list and clicked on a few that he liked.

There was no complaint in my post, just an observation, sorry if it sounded like a complaint to anyone who took it that way, especially LJF.
Ok then, sorry mate. I seem to have misjudged the situation. :shy:

@rocklan: Not everyone is doing that. But otherwise: +1 ...Some of the guys really REALLY REALLY(oh sorry, I'm kinda going (The Stig) style here) need to stop doing that :)

Takumi_lfs

24th December 2009, 16:06

broken

24th December 2009, 19:14

Searching old threads may give you a hint though, YOUR QUESTION MIGHT BE ALREADY ANSWERED.
But this is not the case here... is it?

EDC SlideTech

13th February 2010, 04:03

LOL of course Bob has a license he rights setup guides that are way too confusing and complicated for idiots like me :D

No it's a rally replica, good cross country, fun for track days, but I have never seen a Evo or an Impreza being used for circuit racing, they are heavy and 4WD gives them little advantage on track. I have seen a few of them being used on hillclimbs (where the 4WD and short wheel base become an advantage), but they weren't built for circuit racing.

Ive seen a WRX racecar....some Japan GT series or something...