Season 2: Lfscar Race 3: 25.06.2007 - Race 3: SPEED on Monday 25th of June, 18.15 UTC

[Fischfix]

25.06.2007 - Race 3: SPEEDWAY 150°
Autocross Carpark, Speedway Layout, Race-Length: 150 laps, Flying Start, Arcade-Reset in Infield-Area, only top 15 qualify for the race

Qualifying:
1 outlap 2 fastlaps, according to the results we will set up 2 heats for a 6 lap sprint race (pos 1, 3, 5, 7, 9.... in grid one, an pos 2, 4, 6, 8, 10,... in grid 2) both grids have an individual sprint race. the top 7 of each grid will qualify for main race (plus one of the two 8th, depending on their best laptime.)

the admins will spectate people who are crashing out others in the sprint races, so its not the fastest 7 but the most stable 7 of each grid/heat in the main race.

the tracklayout is uploaded on the 360° event server. press shift+u and save layout to save it. i will try to have the layout on the server most of the time.

:)

[Fischfix]

no, one server. so the top 15 after the two sprint races will be qualified as mentioned above

[james12s]

could someone (fischfix) plese upload the layouts, especcially the next one

thanks

james

thanks

would you run two servers or not?

k

[Fischfix]

Hey guys, there is a great tool which will help all of us on next races:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=461888


as you know we are racing on the autocross layout. unfortunately lfs does not show the gaps to the cars in front or behind you anymore. it also does not show you YOUR POSITION in the race.

with this tool, you actually see those things. and not only when passing a split, but in realtime. so you see on top right of the screen, the car who is in front of you and who is behind you with the actual gap in seconds.

it also tells you the exact % of fuel you have, so you don't have to press f12. it tells you your best split, laptimes and how far you are away in the actual lap. and stuff like that.

in the config file you can turn off some of the features which you won't need, like gear indicator and stuff like that. i can upload my settings as well if you want to.

try it out. i recommend it for everyone to have in next race. i don't say, you must have it, but i recommend it. as it is a great help in a 150 laps race when you actually KNOW on which position you are and how far you are away from the next guys around you...



just try it out

[J@mes]

I feel stupid but i dont really know how to get it to work, could you give me a step by step on how to make it run please?

[Fischfix]

ok james, first you start LFS and press t, then type in: insim 29999
then you switch to the folder where you have the tool, and double click the exe file. then you can switch back to lfs, it will show in the top left corner, that insim is connected and stuff like that.

thats it :)


in the config file, you can decide which kind of information you want to display. open it with editor or wordpad:

<Showing

SHOWLAPTIME="1"
SHOWSPLITTIME="1"

SHOWLAP="1"
SHOWPOSITION="1"
SHOWSpeed="0"
SHOWRPM="0"
SHOWGear="0"
SHOWFuel="1"

SHOWPITSPEED="1"
SHOWSHIFTLIGHT="1"

SHOWGAP="1"
/>

in these lines put a "0" instead of a "1" in the lines which you don't want to be displayed. above you can see my settings. on the bottom part, you can position the information on the screen (x, y coordinates), but i let it as it is default. if you have still problems, i will come to vent anyway... we can go through it...

[J@mes]

"A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond
Could not send"

Thats the error message im getting. :(

[Fischfix]

did you block the tool in Windows? when you first start the program, a pop-up will come asking you if you want to block this tool. you have to click no there...

[Fischfix]

ok this is my config file. it has on top of the screen: car in front of me and gap, car behind me and gap, position, fuel load and how many laps i can go with it.

i switched everything else off i think

[Fischfix]

sorry guys, i am actually on the autocross, and it does not work anymore. probably i've confused it with the LFSpitboard tool, which works.

lfspitboard however tells you not the position you have at the moment, but the position you have had a lap ago... wich can be a help anyway.
search for lfspitboard in the forum.

[finlay]

So what software do I need to allow this one to work?

[Fischfix]

i recommend for the next race: LFSpitboard. it tells you on which position you are and how your laptimes are developing but with one lap delay.

so you know the data from lap 20 when you pass the start finish line on lap 21.

you don't need to install it, it is just a recommendation. actually both tools are quite helpfull anyway and worth a tryout...

[StableX]

is there a server running the modded oval?

[h3adbang3r]

The server is called "(FM) 360° Event!", Sort the tracks out by name and it should be easier to find (its on Autocross). If you want a set, pm me, my PB on the layout is 26.65

[poseidon88]

my PB is 36.04 :)

[finlay]

my PB is 36.04 :)

You driving the UF1:razz:

[finlay]

my PB is 36.04 :)

Jokin......lol


I find it easyier just finding the [FM] servers

[poseidon88]

oh ever type it false i really mean i drove a 26.04 or 26.14 still dont really sure. made it last week :)

[Fischfix]

Hi Ladies and Gentlemen,

Tomorrow, Monday 25th of june, we are racing the 3rd race in the LFSCAR 360degree.tk CUP Series, the Speedway 150 in the Autocross Arena.
Start of the Qualifying as usual at 18.15 UTC on the FM 360° Event° Server.

For this race we have some specialities:

1 _ NO "lucky dog", as there is no reliable way to determine who is the "lucky dog" on the autocross arena.
2 _ Qualifying will consist of a single qualifying and a sprint race
3 _ The single qualifying will be 1 outlap and 2 fastlaps. According to the fastest times you will be split up in two heats for the sprint race.
4 _ The two heats will race an 11 laps race with flying start. The top 7 of each heat and the fastest not qualified driver (sprintrace-time) will qualify for the main race.
5 _ During the two heats, there WON'T be a Caution phase. You will not be allowed to reset your car in the sprintrace, however you can shift-s and rejoin.
6 _ The main race will be a 150 Laps race with pacecar and arcade-style pitstops.
7 _ To make a pitstop during the race, use the white areas in the infield. Stop in those areas with your car and make an ARCADE RESET (Space button). Hit it until you got your car reset, remember the fuel won't be filled up. DON'T SHIFT-S as it will not count as a pistop.
8 _ IF you need to reset your car on track (not in the white boxes), you MUST go throught the pit area and do another reset in the white boxes during the next 2 laps. Any violation will result in a -10 pts. penalty.
9 _ You are allowed to pass the field and pacecar BY GOING THROUGH THE INFIELD during a CAUTION, because you don't gain a lap.
10 _ DON'T cross the white line at pit-exit and watch out for other cars.
11 _ Use the ingame chat only if it's really, really, really, really needed. there was way too much chatting in last race. i will start to give out penalties from this race on for unnecessary comments in chat. if you have to discuss something with another driver, make it before or after the race.
12 _ Pacecar-Speed will be 80km/h (pitlimiter-speed on normal tracks)
13 _ The admins will start a Caution only if a car is flipped or the racing line is blocked by 3 or more cars.

if you are not certain about any of these rules, ask me BEFORE! the qualifyng in ventrillo or chat, msn, icq or whatever. racelength and sprintrace-rules might change if there are lots of people showing up. it will be decided during the single qualifying.

one more suggestion, use the programm LFSpitboard, as it will tell you your position during the race with a one lap delay.

i hope we will have a good event tomorrow, and see a lot of you on track

cheers
Fischfix

ps: the race-results of race 2 will be available before tomorrows race

[faster111]

InGame.zip (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=32557&d=1181914331)


is that the file i need?

[Fischfix]

no, its this one:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=25801

[faster111]

Then what?

[11SuLLy11]

When will the server be up for some quick testing :smileypul

[11SuLLy11]

Great race barr the few crashs and that I timed out,good fun

Thanks to Fishy and all of FM and also Safety car :P and racers also and look forward to seeing ye all in round 4 :)

[finlay]

Race Report from car 455

A MOUSE DRIVER ON THE PODIUM...lol what ever next....


I had a few problems which I noted down the lap number

L13
L30

L66 I save Sully...lol




The Winner of the Race also made a very reckless restart which saw him go in way to shallow and way to fast into T1, He missed me (as I knew what was going to happen and backed off) went on the inside and into about 4 cars... Crazy stuff. I can not remember the lap number but I think it was around lap 100 give or take 10.... More care needs to be taken... In real world racing he would be dead:shrug:

Im not sure what Ronald was doing later in the race.... but When I came into vision he pitted a few times hence getting out the way, so I have no problem with this.:smileypul

Also James12S Was very slow.... But In fareness toward the end of the race he did his best to get out of my way, and when his connection went bad he opted to retire....:thumbsup:




I did the race on just one set of tires..... My right rear blowing just 2 laps from the end and I limped home. With out all you guys crashing every corner for the first 30 laps, I would of never got up to 3rd spot, It saved my tires loads...lol:thumb:

To all the mouse drivers out there............. May the optics be with you and may your ball run Crud free:D

[h3adbang3r]

I didn't make it into the main due to Ronald punting the hell out of me (he went into the corner waaaaaaay too hot) and flipping me on my side. I was running around 6th when it happened, on lap 9 :(

[StableX]

at least you got to race headbanger!!!!!!! Good luck to you. Been fun on the server! Sadly, they wouldn't let me join.

[yankman]

My little race report after cooling down a bit.

Was starting in 4th.
First 45 laps was horrible, cause of the fcy.

I managed to keep in the top positions close to the leader.
Somehow I lost a bit at every restart but after a few laps I could
go the pace of the leader.

A few laps later I found myself in 2nd position right behind galindo.

In the next few fcy I was behind galindo, who did to much brake checking imho,
even when then pace car was in and the green flag was not given (just before the restart).

For the admins I like this to be reviewed: the leader of the all restarts after lap 25 till lap 55.

Around lap 70 I made a mistake while chasing strokes. I went onto the green with the rr tires. I spun out an hit the barrier. Mananged to not cause a fcy ;) and waited for a clean spot rejoin.
Had heavy susp damage and good time for a pit stop (almost midrace).
Went into pits lost a lap to the leaders and lost another 2 laps cause I couldn't reset the car.
I was really annoyed and for the next race It should made possible to reset in a safe place !
Some may say it is the same for every racer but it is not. As I heard later there was a almost safe place to reset, but it was only known to a few ppl,
not fair from my point of view.

So I drove back on the road at least 3 laps behind the leader.
I pushed the hell out of the car, cause I was hopping to gain some laps in next fcy's.

After the next fcy was totally screwed up cause nobody stopped behind the pace car (which did not help my to gain a position :), a decision was made that no car has to pass pace car regardless to the position.
And somehow I knew it before ... the pace car picked me up. Well I understand the admin to pick a safe driver (almost an honor for me), but at this point with this many laps back and after all this pushing, I was annoyed.

I lost all the time to the cars in front which I gained throught my last laps.
Unlucky me.

For last couple of laps I tried to push even more, set also the fastest lap.
Suddenly my rush was stopped by Ronald. I crashed with him, cause I was going to wide in t1, he let the door open but then gots to this inside and we hit each other. Just a normal race accident, if Ronald weren't just running for practise or whatever, even w/o a number.
I hope one of the Admins is reviewing his spectating/chatting/rejoinung/pitting/rejoinung actions through the whole race.

In noticed it in the laps before, but I was not able to ask the admins about. There was none in the vent chan and the track is to short to type safely.
@Ronald: Just one question, what was your intention by rejoing the race after leaving/specing for around 80 laps and then constantly pitting/rejoining ?

At the end I am 4th of 8 finished cars which is somehow a bad result.
I lost one lap through my own mistake.
Another 2 laps through the layout and I had no chance to fight me back into the lead.
Really disappointing.

@Stokes,G.Gab,Fin, sorry for hitting u while overtaking.

[GWADanny]

Yeah i did poorly, i thought we had to pit within the race so i pitted and didnt know what to do, the car wouldnt reset either , i had some damage to the car and it wasnt turning well so i got passed a few times and just quit the race. maybe the next race i may have a chance to win ;) The race when i was in though was besically who got the best start from the yellow flag period which was quite fun :) BTW the qual was better that the previous time, i think going out one by one more pressure as everyone is watching you :)

[finlay]

@Stokes,G.Gab,Fin, sorry for hitting u while overtaking.

Never felt a thing :razz: Ive got thick paint :-)

[Fischfix]

my race-report is short:

i had the wrong setup in qualifying because i put more interest in other people driving then my qualifying setup... anyway... in the sprint race i could gain a few spots and managed to get into the main race.

i started somewhere from the back (14 or 15th) and gained a few spots in the first cautions, which were kind of interesting, kind of stupid, because some of the drivers did not manage do accelerate out of Turn 2 without spinning and crashing. i could pass most of the accidents most of the times and was pretty much some where in the top 8 i think.

in one of the phases i hit someone in the file because he was lagging for 2 seconds and when he came back, he was right in front of me, i think there was no big damage done. during one of the cautions i also got hit,and managed to go into pits. so i lost nothing there besides the places.

the worst part came when i got sand-witched at the exit of T1 by two cars, i had to brake earlier because of the car in front of me, and the car behind just pushed me from the side into the other car, which caused me to flip. i lost a one, probably two laps by this because my pitstop lastest for 30-40 seconds... because i was too close to the racing line.

From my point of view during the race, i saw two cars which had problems controlling their car: #14 and #999.

from that on everything went pretty well. until during a caution, i passed the pacecar (because i was allowed to) but when i came again to the pace-car i knew, there is something wrong here...

at about lap 120 my front right tire blew up without any reason. it was black and i could not see a flat spot. anyway thats racing, so i had to pit in again. in the end i could push pretty well could fight against rawex, ketil, and some others and finishing me on 6th position which gives me a good shot at climber points.

i want to say thanks to #66 of the botP guys. i think we had some good fighting during the race, and much cleaner then last times. i also say sorry for #79 for not being qualified, but i am thinking about giving out a bonus to the winner for the "losers race" as well, which makes it a bit more bearable...

i hope to see you soon in 3!!!! weeks on Aston which will be my worst nightmare probably. but we will see if i can improve my circuit skills.

[J@mes]

My race reports

First sprint race, absolutely perfect, no trouble whatsovever.

Main event:

Lap 5, im leading pacecar phase, come to pacecar whos doing about 20 mph, im doing 40mph, pacecar brakes in front of me even at this slow speed, causes a concertina behind me, and nearly a pileup.

Lap 27, under pacecar, im behind #999, in front of #5. #999 brakes exceptionally heavily, i gently tap his rear, then get a big shunt up the rear from #5, sending me spinning.
I then pitted, and lost a lap on the pack as it refused to reset.

Lap 29, #9 and #54 pass me under fcy, its all good as they give it back though.

Lap 31, #999 comes across the track on finish straight and shoves me against the left hand wall, badly damaging car.

Lap 32, #18 and #14 driving the wrong way to get to the pits??

Lap 34, #8 hits #5 and loses control in front of me, i cant avoid him and him him in the side. Light damage for me, and i expect for him to.

Lap 35, Pitted to fix the damage ive got so far, managed to stay on the same lap in front of the pacecar, just.

Lap 41, #66 cuts into me on turn one and takes himself out, as if he had not realised i was there. Strange as i had even used my horn to warn him of my presence :P

Lap 43, Pacecar stopped dead, pileup ensues.

Lap 47, #0 did the same thing as #66, except this time he missed me and carried on.

Lap 57, #999 slow and weaving across finish straight, nearly hit him as i pass him.

Lap 65, Pacer virtually stopped again, would have been a pileup if yankman hadnt gone round his outside.

Lap 80, As im about to pass him #999 hits his brakes, nearly taking me out and taking himself out.

Lap 115, I outbrake #0 into turn 1, have inside line, yet #0 tries to force his way throguh the non existant gap on my inside, spinning me.

Around lap 120, i have a puncture on my right front wheel, must be my setup :P I choose to carry on as it doesnt affect speed or control much at all once your used to it. Was getting low 26s with the puncture.

Lap 126, I get a slight slide going into turn 1, doesnt slow me down much at all, yet #14 hits me hard and spins me.


Also worthy of note are #0s continued weaving under pacecar almost causing a couple of minor incidents. Also #0 tapped me in the rear multiple times under pacecar.


Apart from all this, i still managed to come second with 2 pitstops, a puncture for 30 laps, spinning 3 times (although not on my own at all i must add), and having one crash.

[Dennis93]

My race reports

First sprint race, absolutely perfect, no trouble whatsovever.

Main event:

Lap 5, im leading pacecar phase, come to pacecar whos doing about 20 mph, im doing 40mph, pacecar brakes in front of me even at this slow speed, causes a concertina behind me, and nearly a pileup.

Lap 27, under pacecar, im behind #999, in front of #5. #999 brakes exceptionally heavily, i gently tap his rear, then get a big shunt up the rear from #5, sending me spinning.
I then pitted, and lost a lap on the pack as it refused to reset.

Lap 29, #9 and #54 pass me under fcy, its all good as they give it back though.

Lap 31, #999 comes across the track on finish straight and shoves me against the left hand wall, badly damaging car.

Lap 32, #18 and #14 driving the wrong way to get to the pits??

Lap 34, #8 hits #5 and loses control in front of me, i cant avoid him and him him in the side. Light damage for me, and i expect for him to.

Lap 35, Pitted to fix the damage ive got so far, managed to stay on the same lap in front of the pacecar, just.

Lap 41, #66 cuts into me on turn one and takes himself out, as if he had not realised i was there. Strange as i had even used my horn to warn him of my presence :P

Lap 43, Pacecar stopped dead, pileup ensues.

Lap 47, #0 did the same thing as #66, except this time he missed me and carried on.

Lap 57, #999 slow and weaving across finish straight, nearly hit him as i pass him.

Lap 65, Pacer virtually stopped again, would have been a pileup if yankman hadnt gone round his outside.

Lap 80, As im about to pass him #999 hits his brakes, nearly taking me out and taking himself out.

Lap 115, I outbrake #0 into turn 1, have inside line, yet #0 tries to force his way throguh the non existant gap on my inside, spinning me.

Around lap 120, i have a puncture on my right front wheel, must be my setup :P I choose to carry on as it doesnt affect speed or control much at all once your used to it. Was getting low 26s with the puncture.

Lap 126, I get a slight slide going into turn 1, doesnt slow me down much at all, yet #14 hits me hard and spins me.


Also worthy of note are #0s continued weaving under pacecar almost causing a couple of minor incidents. Also #0 tapped me in the rear multiple times under pacecar.


Apart from all this, i still managed to come second with 2 pitstops, a puncture for 30 laps, spinning 3 times (although not on my own at all i must add), and having one crash.
really sorry about those taps mate , wasnt meant to , But its hard when you go Full , then off again full off full off , just find a place where you can hold it steady cos' it is really hard to know when an where your gonna lift ,









And to Yankman ,, that Brake test thing was during the Formation right ? because if it wasnt im an Ass, well im almost 100% sure that it wasnt , i did it because it easier to hold your speed to like 79-80


and Many thnx For the race Yankman :)


Thanks for the Kind move over manouvre Fisch , I appresiate ! !!


in other words , I think there have should of been some Blue flag rule , i know there is no blue flag showen in Autocross but yeah you know ,, And there were some who were driving Extreamly slow at some point ,

and for the Pacecar , Pleas Keep on moving till we catch you , Otherwise we'll proberli hit each other ,

[james12s]

i would like to apologise for any problems i caused, they were not intentional, as for breaking under the saftey car i kept taping my brakes as not to brake too hard and cause a domino effect

[G.Gab]

Ok Heres my Race review. Hope it makes things easier for later analysis.


Qualifying:
I totally messed up both laps.
Hogaman and someone else, i think it was his teammate just didnt manage to keep the chat silent although they were told several times.
im not saying that that was the reason for my poor run, but it certainly wasnt helping.


Quali Race:
I had a very embarrassing spin behind the pacecar when i braked. i dont know how it happened but i guess my brake pedal wasnt calibrated correctly after i had switched from fullscreen to window mode and back again.
Luckily my fastest lap was fast enough to qualify.
Before the race it was said that the fastest but the best drivers will
qualify. meaning that wreckers would not be qualified. sadly #79 didnt finish in the top 7 because he was wrecked. however the person who wrecked him was qualified.


Race:
all and together i had quite some fun in the race. especially in the battles with fishfix. 5th place is ok too.

#Start
I started from the wrong position. Not sure what my position should have been, but it wasnt the back of the grid before my disco.

#lap 1
viewing the replay i think i overtook fishfix before the start. sorry i was very sure i was infront of him in the grid.

#lap3
fcy. springer #54 overtakes a lot of cars during fcy.
i was forced to do a couple of sudden brakes cuz the field suddenly went slow.

#lap 7
crashed with hoga #14 and james #999. i think #999 lag was the reason for the crash.

#lap8
i visited my mechanics because my car was undriveable after the crash.

#lap 14
rawex #8 spins and tries to rejoin in a what i consider wreckless way. should stand still till the field is through. dodging standing cars is easier than dodging moving cars.

#lap 28
i hit and spin fin uk #455. looks like it was my fault.
fcy. springer #54 overtakes me and lots of others again. but drops back again this time.

#lap 31
car breaks loose when overtaking james. sully #11 hits me. just a race accident.
Hoga #14 drives in the wrong direction to enter the pits. ???wtf

lap #41
strokes #42 hits and spins me.

lap #47
springer #54. brakes way too late, hits and spins me. he braked too late in the corners before too. should have learnt by then. this time damage is caused making the car hard to drive.

lap #63
fcy has been going for quite while. #0 galindo still overtakes me under fcy. so does sully #11.

lap #64
i try to take the position galindo stole under fcy back. he refuses and rams me. was so confusing that i left a way too big gap to the pack.

lap #78 - 85
fcy. me and everybody else overtake the pacecar several times. how can that happen?
i also hit the wall while speaking to my spotter and have an almost undriveable car afterwards. i still decided to stay out as i thought full course yellows would result in slow laps still being faster than a pitstop. i thought wrong.

#lap #150
finally i can stop my wrecked car.

[james12s]

i am the person who had the comeing together with #79 i wouldnt say i wrecked him but i do feal real bad about that as i thought that it was the fastest from each heat that came through not just one, if someone would post the replays i would like to review it, i am happy to take a dq for that

edit: the lag was due to m6y father being on the net and we did fall out slightly over that so soz

[J@mes]

lap #41
strokes #42 hits and spins me.



While i dont want to start an argument about this, from watching the replay from top down view its quite clear i was not in the wrong at all, and i was simply holding the inside line, whereas it was you who came across into my nose and spun.

[Fischfix]

unofficial race results are available from www.lfscar.com in the results section. the replay files are there as well.


here are the direct links:
Results (http://www.konzeptundgestaltung.com/lfscar/results/s2_race3/2007-06-26_15.16.25_results_race.html)
Replays (http://www.konzeptundgestaltung.com/lfscar/replay/lfscar_event3.rar)
cheers

[HogaMan]

Lap 30 - #5 slammed on brakes speed went down to 45 kmph. I was closing gaps going 100 kmph so was fischfix behind. I slammed my brakes just missed him, but oviously fischfix couldnt see infront of me, Fischfix hit my back i went in air and got wrecked. I couldnt drive straight so i would of caused an accident. I dont know why Fischfix went backwards but I was just getting out of everyones way, I took it careful so hit nobody.

1 thing aswell the track is a good design except when trying to reset your car, spent over 2mins to find a spot, still couldnt find one - I think this lost Yankman laps aswell, maybe need to test the future autocross tracks before pusblishing the layout.

[J.B.]

i am the person who had the comeing together with #79 i wouldnt say i wrecked him but i do feal real bad about that as i thought that it was the fastest from each heat that came through not just one, if someone would post the replays i would like to review it, i am happy to take a dq for that


No worries. I actually took two hits on the final lap of the quali race so it wasn't just your fault. That's race. The only reason I kept going on about it in chat was because I wasn't aware that LFS limits autocross to 16 racers. And hats off to Danny for even offering me his grid spot. :up:

All in all it even turned out to be a fun and exiting event, going through the qualifyings, watching my team mate go through his, winning the losers race and hanging around in TS as a spotter for G.Gab in the main race.

CU at Aston Club.

[yankman]

I think this lost Yankman laps aswell.

I just checked the replay ... those 2 laps (first lap crash, second lap pitstop)
took 2:26. So if u think of an average lap of 26, I lost 1:34 in total which is
3.6 laps ... .
Is there a conspiracy ?

[Belain]

apologize for not having the time to turn up as the pace car driver again! i sent fischfix a pm yesterday...hope everything worked well anyways :)

[11SuLLy11]

I got absulatley battered around in this race people not breaking,blocking etc

[Belain]

u should always expect other people blocking u o/

[Fischfix]

Unofficial Points for Race 3 (no penalties deducted)
=================================
190___#0PлGalindo
185___#42 Strokes>UK<
175___#38[FPR]Yankman
165___#455 FIN[UK]
160___#66 G.Gab BotP
155___#18[FM]Fischfix
151___#9[FM]^Ketil
148___#11[HR] SuLLy
147___#14�PлHoga (will be disqualified, not allowed in race 4)
135___#54-Springe��
134___#999_[PWRL]james12s (might be disqualified, not allowed in race 4)
132___#8�PлRawex
129___#88-PunkRocker
123___#89[FM]Ronald
121___#5-[BC]- GWADanny
120___#79 J.B. BotP
112___#74 - Moo.Danny
109___#44 [RTS] Klemen (will be disqualified due to penalties from race 2)
106___#92[DLFS] Gab
103___#96_HCGC™ Headbanger
100___#3 Bo duke.WAV


Leading Bonus (5Pts.): #0, #11, #38, #42
Top 50% of Qualifiers (5 Pts.): #0, #8, #9, #11, #14, #38, #42, #54, #88, #89,
Winning Losers Race (5 Pts.): #79
Fastest Lap in Main Race (5 Pts.): #38
Pole Position (5 Pts.): #42
Highest Climber (5 Pts.): #18, #66

[finlay]

Highest Climber points....

Was that not 18 & 455 :scratchch

and I came 3rd :-)

[Fischfix]

you came 3rd, thats true but this is the standings INCLUDING all bonus. yankman collected more bonus during the event so he overtook you with the points.

i will check the climber thing again,thx

[Fischfix]

Race Report
=========================

Lap | Involved Cars | Actions
Lap 1 | #14, #54 | #14 lose controll at exit of T1 and hits #54, #54 could continue, #14 flipped car, causing a Caution, racing accident | ForCaution 1 Starts
Lap 3 | #54 | Overtakes several cars under yellow, gives the places back when pitting in | Warning For #54Caution 1 Ends
Lap 7 | #14, #18, #66, #999 | # 999 and #14 start to slide, #66 hits both cars and starts to spin, #18 hits the spinning #999, causing a Caution, racing accident |Caution 2 Starts
Lap 9 | #54, #9 | #54 overtakes #9 during Caution,does not give place back before Green Flag | -10 Pts. For #54Caution 2 Ends
Lap13 | #8, #18, #455, | #8 hits #455 at by doing a divebomp manover both spin, #18 hits the spinning #455 | -5 Pts. For #8Caution 3 Starts
Lap 13, 14 | #5, #9, #14, #18, #66, #54, #999, | #54 starts a concertina by bumping into the rear of #5, cars getting damage behind him, this happens several times in the race | -10 Pts. For #54Caution 3 Ends
Lap 17 | #54, #88, #89, #999 | #88, #89 colide racing accident, #54 hits one spinning, #89 rejoins racing line and hits #999 to spin him out | -5 Pts. For #89
Lap 23 | #88, #999 | #88 hits #999, spins out #999 | -5 Pts. For #88Lap 23
Caution 4 Starts
Caution 4 Ends
Lap 28 | #9, #11 | #9 Hits wall and spins out, #9 hits the stationarry #11 causing a Caution |Lap 28
Caution 5 Starts
Lap 28 | #455, #89, #66 | # 455 and #89 both lose the car, #66 hits the rear of #455 to cause the car to spin totaly and hit the previous spinned #89 |
Lap 31 | #54, #8 | #54 overtakes #8 during Caution,does not give place back before Green Flag | -10Pts. For #54Caution 5 Ends
Lap 32 | #66, #999, #42, #11, #455 | #66 hits #999, #66 spins, #999 goes into the outside hitting the passing #42, #11, #455 get involved as well | -5 Pts. For #66Caution 6 Starts
Lap 32 | #5, #38, #14, #18, #54, #42 | Concertina caused by #5 who bumps into #38, causing several cars behind to crash: #14, #18, #54, #42 | -5 Pts. For #5
Lap 32 | #14 | #14 driving the wrong way for more then 60 m to get into the pits passing serveral cars who come in his way | -15 Pts. For #14
Lap 32 | #18 | #18 turns car around because of spin going into the pits, is at the boarder of what is allowed. I've seen several tourn-arounds during the race like that. Butbecause of the fact i am the admin i give it a -5 though. | -5 Pts. For #18Caution 6 Ends
Lap 34 | #5, #8, #42, #9, #14, #455 | #8 spins out by hitting the rear of #5, #42 hits the stationarry #8, #9, #14, #455 did as well | -5 Pts. For #8
Lap 38 | #14, #88 | #88 starts to slide, #14 hits the rear end of #88, racing accident |
Lap 39 | #999, #8 | #999 lose control totaly into the wall, hits the #8 car | -10 Pts. For #999
Lap 39 | # 11, #9, #18, #66, #42, #38 | #11 bumps the rear of #38 and spins himslef out, having other cars trying to avoid him more or less successfull, racing accident |
Lap 41 | #66, #18, #42 | #66 and #42 fight for position, #66 spins a bit, #18 behind them gets hit into the wall causing him to flip, racing accident |Caution 7 Starts
Lap 42 | Pacecar | Pacecar Causes a Dominoeffect |Caution 7 Ends
Lap 47 | #66, #54 | #54.#66 colide, in my replay it looks like a bit of lag though, racing accident |
Lap 55 | #14, #88 | # 14 totaly lose it and wrecks out #88 |-10 Pts. For #14
Lap 56 | #14, #11 | #14 crossing white line after exiting the pits, enters traffic which ended up in a crash with #11 | -7 Pts. For #14
Lap 64 | #11, #14 | #11 tries a divebomb at #14 at T1 without the position to do so and hits the wall, his car flips => caution |Caution 8 Starts
Lap 66 | #0, #66 | #0 overtakes #66 and does not give place back before end of caution | -10 Pts. For #0Caution 8 Ends
Lap 68 | #38, #0 | #38 starts a divebomb on #0, contact both continued |
Lap 77 | #999, #42 | #42 hit the braking #999, causing #999 to be flipped, racing accident in this case |Caution 9 Starts
During this pacecar-phase everyone passed the pacecar, even the leaders who was not aware that he is the leader. Actually in Caution #8 two cars who were not the leaders stayed behind the pacecar. This time it was the other way around. I give out amnesty because of the lack of a position display in autocross race. I talked to becky rose, and her new X-system does track Positions and display it to the cars. We might get connected to her system in the pankace race, so the leader will then know, if he is The leader. This will help us a lot and will also improve the quality of the short-track events.
Lap 82 | #14 | Repairs car on the track, and does not go through the pits to repair again there | -10 Pts. For #14
Lap 85 #14 | #14 passes #18 under Caution -10 Pts. For #14Caution 9 Ends
Lap 98 | #999 | Spins at exit of t2, twice, causing a Caution by flipping his car |Caution 10 Starts
Lap 101 | #14 | #14 enters pits, flips his car, and goes in reverse gear in the pitlane, we concider this as dangerous driving | -5 Pts. Fo #14Cautions 10 Ends
Lap 109 | #14 | Spins out almost causing a crash |
Lap 109 | #89 | Rejoined the race without a proper number in front of the name | -10 Pts. For #89
Lap 111 | #14 | Spins at T2 |
Lap 114 | #14 | Exits pits goes almost in a 90° angle onto the track, crossing yellow line, hits almost the wall | -5 Pts. For #14
Lap 115 | #42, #0 | #42 and #0 colide in T1, #42 leaves a small gap, #0 tries to slip through, racing accident, #42 spins, both continued in same order |
Lap 130 | #18 | #18 Gets ont he grass and spins himself out |
Lap 140 | #14 | #14 Crosses white line when exiting pits | -2 Pts. For #14TOTAL RESULTS (including Bonus and Penalty)
====================================
1______180______#0 PлGalindo
2______185______#42 Strokes>UK<
3______170______#455 FIN[UK]
4______175______#38[FPR]Yankman
5______155______#66 G.Gab BotP
6______150______#18[FM]Fischfix
7______151______#9[FM]^Ketil
8______152______#11[HR] SuLLy
9______128______#999_[PWRL]james12s
10_____129______#8PлRawex
11_____130______#88-PunkRocker
12_____122______#5-[BC]- GWADanny
13_____114______#89[FM]Ronald
14_____126______#79 J.B. BotP
15_____118______#74 - Moo.Danny
16_____115______#44 [RTS] Klemen
17_____112______#92[DLFS] Gab
18_____109______#96_HCGC™ Headbanger
19_____106______#3 Bo duke.WAV
DQ_____5_______#54-Springer (Disqualified)
DQ_____5_______#14PлHoga (Disqualified)


Bonus
=================================
Leading Bonus (5Pts.): #0, #11, #38, #42
Top 50% of Qualifiers (5 Pts.): #0, #8, #9, #11, #14, #38, #42, #54, #88, #89,
Winning Losers Race (5 Pts.): #79
Fastest Lap in Main Race (5 Pts.): #38
Pole Position (5 Pts.): #42
Highest Climber (5 Pts.): #18, #66, #455

Penalties
=================================
-64 Pts. For #14 Race suspension for 5 Races (Race 4, Race 5, Race 6, Race 7, Race 8)
-30 Pts. For #54 Race suspension for 1 Race (Race 4)
-15 Pts. For #89
-10 Pts. For #8
-10 Pts.For #999 Raced under Protest, race suspension for 1 Race (Race 4)
-10 Pts. For #0
-5 Pts. For #88
-5 Pts. For #66
-5 Pts. For #18
-5 Pts. For #5



Total Championship Staings after 3 Races
=================================
1st ____ 534 ____ #38[FPR]Yankman | 0
2nd ____ 520 ____ #42 Strokes>UK< | -14
3rd ____ 467 ____ #8| PD Rawex | -67
4th ____ 440 ____ #9[FM]^Ketil | -94
5th ____ 434 ____ #455 Fin[UK] | -100
6th ____ 425 ____ #11[HR] SuLLy | -109
7th ____ 389 ____ #18_[FM]Fischfix | -145
8th ____ 386 ____ #79 J.B. BotP | -148
9th ____ 368 ____ #74 - Moo.Danny | -166
10th ____ 361 ____ #999_[PWRL]james12s | -173
11th ____ 353 ____ #66 G.Gab BotP | -181
12th ____ 315 ____ #3 bo duke | -219
13th ____ 260 ____ #5 GWADanny | -274
14th ____ 255 ____ #88-PunkRocker | -279
15th ____ 250 ____ #007Jack.McIntyre | -284
16th ____ 232 ____ #14[HR] HogaMan | -302
17th ____ 185 ____ #0 D.Galindo .WAV | -349
18th ____ 165 ____ #07s[FM]Laudi | -369
19th ____ 165 ____ #2_Becky Rose | -369
20th ____ 160 ____ #55 Adonis BotP | -374
21st ____ 152 ____ #68[FM]2March | -382
22nd ____ 129 ____ #91_WOT.DEKO | -405
23rd ____ 123 ____ #07[FM]^KeNi | -411
24th ____ 115 ____ #44 [RTS] Klemen | -419
25th ____ 114 ____ #89[FM]Ronald | -420
26th ____ 113 ____ #22s[FM] Ecret | -421
27th ____ 112 ____ #50 TKS||Branislav | -422
28th ____ 112 ____ #92[DLFS] Gab | -422
29th ____ 109 ____ #96_HCGC™ Headbanger | -425
31st ____ 109 ____ #22 [FM]Byrney | -425
32nd ____ 98 ____ #13 DFH| LONT | -436
33rd ____ 0 ____ #028_Elliott | -534



Rookies Championship
=================================
1st ____ 520 ____ #42 Strokes>UK< | 520
2nd ____ 425 ____ #11[HR] SuLLy | -95
3rd ____ 386 ____ #79 J.B. BotP | -134
4th ____ 361 ____ #999_[PWRL]james12s | -159
5th ____ 353 ____ #66 G.Gab BotP | -167
6th ____ 260 ____ #5 GWADanny | -260
7th ____ 232 ____ #14[HR] HogaMan | -288
8th ____ 185 ____ #0 D.Galindo .WAV | -335
9th ____ 160 ____ #55 Adonis BotP | -360
10th ____ 129 ____ #91_WOT.DEKO | -391
11th ____ 123 ____ #07[FM]^KeNi | -397
12th ____ 115 ____ #44 [RTS] Klemen | -405
13th ____ 113 ____ #22s[FM] Ecret | -407
14th ____ 109 ____ #96_HCGC™ Headbanger | -411
15th ____ 109 ____ #22 [FM]Byrney | -411
16th ____ 98 ____ #13 DFH| LONT | -422
17th ____ 0 ____ #028_Elliott | -520

[james12s]

Lap 17 | #54, #88, #89, #999 | #88, #89 colide racing accident, #54 hits one spinning, #89 rejoins racing line and hits #999 to spin him out | -5 Pts. For #999

this to me reads that i got spun out by someone else and get penalised, i know probably what you mean and i deserve it for dtuff elsewere but this does read wrong

[Fischfix]

thanx thats an excel error.

[finlay]

Is that excel doing 'auto complete' ...ie , it just expected 999 to get the points :D:):thumb::tilt: Jk'in

[Fischfix]

he was in the column above somewhere and maybe i did not type 89 but 99 and then it completed it with 999... just an error

[J@mes]

So far ive only had -10 penalty in the entire season, go me!

[yankman]

I am a bit dissappointed.
Not with the results they speak for themselves,
but there a few things missed out.

As I said you should have reviewed the restarts if #0 but there is not even a mentioning about his style.
Another point is, that I lost at least one position cause of bad race organisation ( lost > 3 laps because i couldn't pit, has been picked as car to go behind the pace car even if i was at least 4 laps behind -> lost contact to the cars in front -> no chance to lap back).

Why this matters me?

I am fighting for the championchip, that what almost nobody cares about.
But what I have experienced in the first few races is,
that U are the loser if u try to stuck to the so called rules.

Whats the conclusion after 3 (right now 4) races?

At first don't take this championchip serious,
there is no equal handling for drivers ... and u might be the loser.
It is better to drive unsafe and if u crash, do cause a big pile up.
This will give a fcy and u got more time to pit and u can pit at the very first lap of fcy.
On the other hand u will not be seen as a safe driver. So nobody will rely on u r driving skills.

Well this post isn't meant to blame Fishfix.
IMHO he tries the best he can, to keep this championchip running,
but there is a big difference from what it should be and what it is.

[Fischfix]

i know what you mean yankman. ive seen the fcy inscedents and you were the victim most of the times at least in this race. you even were not the leader in 2 fcy but once stayed behind the safety car and once you HAD to stay behind it. i see the problem, but i don't know how i should give you a reward for that.

the other thing with the track-reset and pits is, everyone had the same track and same problems. it is not the optimum but at least everyone has the same difficulties there.

the thing with the #0 car is, i've seen his restarts but all in all he did not cause a concertina this way. i will give out a warning for the #0 car. as i gave 5 pts. points to those who did not keep the speed and cause a concertina WITH crashs behind them. at least i gave the #0 a -10 pts. penalty for disregarding the rules and overtaking under yellow.

as you might now, ctra is running the bump and jump server now. they are able to track positions during a race on the autocross pad. i've talked to becky about this. and we might work together for the pancake event. maybe we run the event on their server OR we get connected for this event to their X-server. i hope this works out so the confusion will stop on this kind of oval. then we allways see who is the leader, and the pacecar will pick him out. i modified the track as well, so the pits are now NOT in the infield which will work better probably.


to be honest, i could even give out more penalties for some of the top drivers for crashing the pacecar, but i did not because the speed of the pacecar was too slow some times. even though the field HAS TO accommodate to the speed of the pacecar no matter if its going 10km/h or 150km/h.

for the oval tracks i will enforce the pacecar/overtaking rules anyway with the speed limiter which worked great in aston race imo. i am also thinking aobut a "no midrace join" for the sencond half of the season.


all in all as you might now we are now at event #5 after this event new registrating people need to have at least 2500 laps on the oval in total AND a pb with the XRR below 39.85 to be able to join the championships OR a ctra gold (but i am not sure if this system is still up) anyway. for a 3rd season, if there will be one, we will have something like qualifying mondays. only people who qualify on those mondays will be allowed for the series. but more on this after todays event.

[J.B.]

The two things that have really put me off in this league so far is getting wrecked under fcy (in the first two races) and getting wrecked by lap traffic (in both of the last two races). You've solved the first problem by banning certain people and adding the pit limiter rule. But what about the second? I don't want what happened to me on lap 11 T1 at Aston Club to happen again. Maybe mandate wheel and pedals?

[Fischfix]

we solve the second by having "the qualifying monday" for new drivers. so if you want to take part in lfscar, you have to come to those mondays where we have no league races on the fm oval starter servers. its like a 2 hour window, where an admin will watch the races. the races will be not the usual 8 lapers but like 15 laps races with mandatory pitstop and XRR only. i am not sure about the laps though. people who want to participate have to show their skills in these kind of races. its not about winning, but staying clean and be able to finish at least a race at this length.

i mean, you can't do anything about normal racing accidents. people make errors, but at least we can see with this system if someone is able to drive around in circles *g* for longer then 8 laps.

[J.B.]

Sounds good. Now got to go get some dragstrip practice.

[james12s]

yeah i think excel knows me, lol , i didnt race this one today as i was not in the mood to race and was not confident but im up for the next one