#liveforspeed geting out of hand

[Scoop]

I'm starting to get upset by the situation in the Liveforspeed channell especialy by the permanent ban of 2 ppl who in my opinion did not deserve it, id like to make a sugestion to unban Vrooom and Zeeall and for the future for all permanent bans a poll should be organised in true demacratic fashion before any action is taken.

[Tweaker]

Where is the 'Other' or 'Undecided' option? :)

[Scoop]

Tweak if ppl can't decided then don't vote, true democratic fashion

[dUmAsS]

whoever said the irc was a democracy?

if you dont like the irc admin's decision then dont chat there

[ayrton senna 87]

does anyone actually know what they did?

[Scoop]

we are talking about the Liveforspeed official channell not some ordanary one i think at least this one should be well organised.
they liked to talk about theyre cars: mini & volvo and post links and they got baned for life :shrug:

[Don]

i voted yes, because the channell is imho too boring last months....channells with much less ppl than in #liveforspeed has got longer logs (and no, there is no spam).

[Huru-aito]

IRC channels don't work that way. Nothing on Internet does. Some people are (and will be) banned, some of the bans will be permanent (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/permanent) if they neglect warnings.

[Scoop]

i guess huru likes a silent channell where in the evening for about 15 min there are some ppl actualy talking, that's my point it's not yours :really:

[Bob Smith]

lol, banning the two people who talk, a good way to keep the IRC channel as busy as it's reputation

[CasseBent]

last I checked, spamming links to the same shitty cars all day isn't talking

EDIT: oh and, had you been around for as long as the rest of us Scoop, you'd know who banned Zeeall the first 10-20 times

[Bob Smith]

Now now, just because you don't like mini's doesn't mean they're shitty.

[thd]

I voted no :)



There are 15 active mods in #liveforspeed and they all happen to agree with me. Now, there's democracy for you :)

[ekze]

#liveforspeed geting out of hand
agree... :pillepall
I can't even smile there now... everyone hates my "^_^" smile :(

[Tweaker]

Can't blame anyone... this is what we all probably look like while in that channel....

[vrooom]

:smileypul :nod: its getting out of hand over really silly thing..... oh well. nevermind. :shrug:

[Tweaker]

I think I am the only mod that doesn't mind Vrooom or Zeeall's link postings... then again I haven't been a mod in there long enough before I knew about them... still if I ever chat in there I am usually bored out of my mind and any links posted by someone is something to keep me alive :tired:

[tinyk]

I think I am the only mod that doesn't mind Vrooom or Zeeall's link postings... then again I haven't been a mod in there long enough before I knew about them... still if I ever chat in there I am usually bored out of my mind and any links posted by someone is something to keep me alive :tired:aha truth comes out. You only say hi to me because you're bored. :) Fine fine see if I share barbies with you. :shy:

~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~

[Huru-aito]

Fine fine see if I share barbies with you. :shy:


Don't share Torfinn's girlfriend though!

[Vykos69]

ROFL, this thread is close to best thread ever award... but misses it ;)

[Fonnybone]

whoever said the irc was a democracy?

if you dont like the irc admin's decision then dont chat there

This is so true. Some people don't seem to realise that even this forum here
is not a democracy in any way. Of course, in the interest of the forum, or
chat# in that case, 'rules' are applied in the best interest of the group,
but whether that's fair or not is not usually up for discussion. There's no
people's court for banning.

What CAN be done in the event that a lot of people feel an unfair decision
was made is to send a polite and educated e-mail to the people concerned
(ideally as high as possible in the hierarchy) explaining the situation and
asking for the priviledge of access back for the unfairly judged users. It is
a priveledge, not a right after all.

See it this way, i'm throwing a party at my house. A lot of people come over,
we talk, bla bla bla, one guy goes too far and starts beeing a jerk, i'll tell
him to get the &#$@ out of my house and not come back unless he's civilised
again. Most people would. It's the same here, this is the dev's crib and
you're all invited :)

[Mikkel Petersen]

Haha, nice thread scoop, gave me a good laugh! :D

And I actually voted YES..

(MaxMan on IRC)

[Tweaker]

aha truth comes out. You only say hi to me because you're bored. :) Fine fine see if I share barbies with you. :shy:

~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~

Well you refused my free bubble gum yesterday, so you ain't gettin any playtime with me!! :D

[Scoop]

Fonnybone good point but they were not banned by the devs and that's where i'm trying to get at, permanent bans should only be made by devs not some mod, and like u said u would kick someone out until he behaved himslef well were are talking about permanent ban. And i personaly liked talking to them, i guess a temporary ban 1 month would have tought them a leson but not permanent wtf :really:

[Don]

the ops arent taking same meter to all ppl obviously....last time i know of zeeall getting banned was because he posted 1 link to some bmw......another ban for vroom was for pasting 3 links to photos of his own car wrecked because of some lady.

someone obviously waits for every moment to ban someone

[tristancliffe]

You say the devs should only be allowed to permanently ban someone, but you don't want people appointed by the devs as moderators to do it? The mods are simply enforcing the rules/wishes etc of the devs/owners of wherever.

I have no problem with any mods/admins, and as far as I can tell they do a difficult job very well. It's normally only the people who have been banned or know someone who has been banned that have a problem, and then only because they can't filter out their own feelings and think objectively.

Had to waste a whole post on this, as it's something I feel quite strongly about. If you don't like it, don't participate on the server/forum/chat-room. Simple.

[tinyk]

Don't share Torfinn's girlfriend though!lol you spotted her in the crowd. :)

~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~

[KiDCoDEa]

You say the devs should only be allowed to permanently ban someone, but you don't want people appointed by the devs as moderators to do it? The mods are simply enforcing the rules/wishes etc of the devs/owners of wherever.

I have no problem with any mods/admins, and as far as I can tell they do a difficult job very well. It's normally only the people who have been banned or know someone who has been banned that have a problem, and then only because they can't filter out their own feelings and think objectively.

Had to waste a whole post on this, as it's something I feel quite strongly about. If you don't like it, don't participate on the server/forum/chat-room. Simple.

wonderful

[tinyk]

Well you refused my free bubble gum yesterday, so you ain't gettin any playtime with me!! :D:Kick_Can_ awww fine... I'll just get Huru-aito to play barbies then. :) He even giggles. :D But :shhh: that's supposed to be a secret. :)

~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~

[vrooom]

This is getting too silly.
Might as well sit there and watch the silence in #channel.

[Huru-aito]

another ban for vroom was for pasting 3 links to photos of his own car wrecked because of some lady.

someone obviously waits for every moment to ban someone

Vrooom got a permanent ban quite some time ago, after a few shorter bans and a bunch of warnings. Permanent does indeed mean permanent, the ban wont be cleared when someone's hostmask changes.

I agree that IRC, due to it's nature, is offtopic most of the time. People who don't discuss LfS have no place on the channel though. #liveforspeed for LfS talk, some other channel for something else. That's my opinion, you can't argue that. What you can argue is if the whole channel should go unmoderated, only acting on severe GameSurge policy violations. But that's out of my hands.

[thd]

lol you spotted her in the crowd. :)

~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~


She's so fine, I call her mine

[Tweaker]

People who don't discuss LfS have no place on the channel though.
That's pretty hard considering we hardly ever bring up LFS unless a patch comes out or someone mentions the usual stuff... It really is hard to avoid not talking about LFS because practically everyone in the channel knows about the game and what else is there to talk about? Which is why it is so boring and hardly anyone speaks. So I can't see why someone trying to brighten it up a bit by at least showing something relating to car/racing fans is so bad... even if it isn't LFS. That said, we are all car nuts in this channel most likely, and how harmful could it be to talk about cars or post funny links? If Vrooom and Zeeall get too excessive with posting links on their Minis or Volvos, then that is kind of repetitive, but I liked it when you gave them warnings of a ban if they ever constantly spoke of it again. The only thing is, if they did, a permanent ban was in store for them, which in my opinion is not needed for someone that talks... those are more for people that are spammers trying to sell alienwares, or people that try to send you viruses (Casse bans a lot of those) :). Overall... ban the trouble-makers, and these two don't seem to cause any trouble imo.

[KiDCoDEa]

http://www.counter-strike.de/modules/screenorama/screens/200510/PiMpoRioR-1129282502.jpg

if you dont like being moderated try #lfscentral in quakenet.
also in quakenet you have #liveforspeed but that is moderated.

[Tweaker]

Hahahah! KiD that is a great picture :D

[rich uk]

as an Op too we did actually ask them to stop many times (as stated before many times) and also we did ask around and inform others what we intended to do before the action was taken against them. we gave them many opporunities and they carried on thier actions regardless of warnings (formal or informal)

[vari]

Vrooom got a permanent ban quite some time ago, after a few shorter bans and a bunch of warnings. Permanent does indeed mean permanent, the ban wont be cleared when someone's hostmask changes.

I thought that at least this much was understood but oh well :Looking_a

[Don]

i just think that zeeall or vroom werent more annoying then ppl who posts what song is playing on their comp every 10 minutes or people who keep talking all the time about bf2,cs,cod or wtf

[SpooSH]

Both Vrooom and Zeeall had alot of warnings, temporary bans, second chances etc. before the permanent ban, its not like they got instabanned.

No one said bans need to be democratic, you break the rules you're not allowed to join for a while, you repeatedly break the rules you get a permanent ban.

[CasseBent]

Don, didn't you say that we should bring them back so the channel could be more active ? I assume you'd answer yes to this, since you woulnd't want to lie. With this in mind, why would you be miffed about people talking about other stuff ? It's not like LFS has any volvos or minis (granted, almost has a mini, but it sure as whipped cream wasn't the car vrooom was linking to). We have also speculated in getting some advert bots into the channel to keep it active. Something like Barbie(tm), Coca Cola(tm) and Cheese(tm) all keeping in line with the topic in the channel.
When all is said and done, Scoop is pretty far from the right person to make any kind of judgement on the actions taken by mods of #liveforspeed on gamesurge. Fonnybone, I want to carry your children...after torfinns

Vrooom, there are more channels where the people who didn't mind your linking, hang out. Since most of your llinking didn't involve lfs, you could simply join these channels and have a go. #teamnic would be one, but I'm sure there are lots of others.

[Fonnybone]

Fonnybone, I want to carry your children...after torfinns

Ok, you are really scaring me there, you know i'm a guy right ?
How's that butt of yours...? :p

[CasseBent]

now you're scaring me...you're not suposed to respond like that, just say "yeah main, fo sho dawg" and let it slide...like torfinn does. /meadow

[tinyk]

I've been an IRCop for about 5 years now and I won't say if I agree or disagree with the #liveforspeed OPs ban decisions. The point is if I invite you to my house and you don't like the music I play or food I offer... feel free to leave. :) Nobody is making you stay there. It's their 'house' their rules. If you don't want to follow them then you deal with the decisions they make to have you leave. :)

If you think their rules are a bit 'harsh'... consider this. I've joined channels before where anyone can be banned for saying coffee, tea, or coke. ;)

Do I have anything against Vrooom or Zeeall... nope not at all, I think they're both very nice. :) It's not my house though and not my rules. :)

~*~*~*~tiny~*~*~*~

[Vykos69]

if you dont like being moderated try #lfscentral in quakenet.
also in quakenet you have #liveforspeed but that is moderated.
o_O I'm Op in both channels.. does that make me almighty? :razz: :pillepall

[Levi1]

Don, didn't you say that we should bring them back so the channel could be more active ? I assume you'd answer yes to this, since you woulnd't want to lie. With this in mind, why would you be miffed about people talking about other stuff ? It's not like LFS has any volvos or minis (granted, almost has a mini, but it sure as whipped cream wasn't the car vrooom was linking to).I think DoN is only trying to say you guys should be consequent. If you don't ban people who spam the song they're playing, you shouldn't ban vrooom or zeeall for talking/spamming links about cars.

[MrAss]

i just think that zeeall or vroom werent more annoying then ppl who posts what song is playing on their comp every 10 minutes or people who keep talking all the time about bf2,cs,cod or wtf

Or people who just post links to pictures of crappy wrecked czech rally cars or photo's of mountains / trees.

¬_¬

[Fonnybone]

now you're scaring me...you're not suposed to respond like that, just say "yeah main, fo sho dawg" and let it slide...like torfinn does. /meadow

Good, so did i win ?! :p

[Tweaker]

[color=DarkOrchid]The point is if I invite you to my house and you don't like the music I play or food I offer... feel free to leave. :) Nobody is making you stay there. It's their 'house' their rules. If you don't want to follow them then you deal with the decisions they make to have you leave. :)
Can I play house with you? :icon23:

[tinyk]

Can I play house with you? :icon23:ahaha you're only being nice so you can get to Torfinn's girlfriend. :D

~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~

[CasseBent]

Levi, nobody is spamming what songs they are playing, the only spam in the #liveforspeed channel currently, is DoN's rally pictures.

EDIT: Fonnybone, yeah sure, you win, I will not carry your children...or say stuff like that ever again unless 100% sure I don't get into trouble. Or if I in fact develop the ability to bear children.

[Don]

if you consider posting few DIFFERENT urls (to different pics) as spam, ok.

what i consider spam is 10 same rows of text posted in 1 sec etc

[Tweaker]

if you consider posting few DIFFERENT urls (to different pics) as spam, ok.

what i consider spam is 10 same rows of text posted in 1 sec etc
Agreed.

And/or spam is like I mentioned before, people trying to sell you Alienwares or get you to goto some site that gives you a virus :).

I don't see any problem with Don's rally pics or videos, something to look at :shrug: And not every link on the net to a picture or video is absolutely cool (like the stupid cars), so you can't make that a requirement in the channel :).

[CasseBent]

Levi used the word spam, so I did too. He's obviously never been in the channel though.

[thd]

I think DoN is only trying to say you guys should be consequent. If you don't ban people who spam the song they're playing, you shouldn't ban vrooom or zeeall for talking/spamming links about cars.

We are pretty consequent. The channel activity of these two have no comparison. If anyone else had been behaving the same, he/she too would be forced to leave.

Nice Gilles Villeneuve avatar btw :)

[Levi1]

last I checked, spamming links to the same shitty cars all day isn't talkingLevi used the word spam, so I did too. He's obviously never been in the channel though.I used the word spam the same way as you did (posting alot of links to stuff). What DoN does with his rally pics. :)
If we use Tweak's definition of spam, then there's nothing wrong with Vrooom, Zeeall or DoN.We are pretty consequent. The channel activity of these two have no comparison. If anyone else had been behaving the same, he/she too would be forced to leave.I don't know too much about Zeeall, but on Vrooom I have to agree with DoN. Vrooom wasn't more annoying than anyone else, just brought life into the channel. Pity that being too active is forbidden.Nice Gilles Villeneuve avatar btw :)Thanks :D

[Zeeall]

o0 this is odd, having ppl talking about me in a positiv way (mostly)

[Messiah]

/bump

Zeeall is the most nicest dude from Sweden who actually owns a volvo! :shy:

[ekze]

/bump

Zeeall is the most nicest dude from Sweden who actually owns a volvo! :shy:
:iagree: ^_^

[TagForce]

To avoid this kind of enjoyable threads on a forum for a game of which the channel seems to be manually (or maniacally to some) moderated, someone invented... EggDrop...

Rules are static and can be programmed... Problem solved... Close thread :)

[Tweaker]

#liveforspeed it quite a fun place to talk at the moment... I don't see any problems to be honest :p

Problem solved :)

[Rotary]

I remember some guy spamming a link to his webcam showing his cat sleeping on the couch... He posted the link every couple of minutes. It was pretty boring, all his cat did was sleep, we all thought it was dead :D

He never once got a warning for that (or so I assume, as he didn't stop posting it and wasn't banned). I posted a link once (whilst watching a "dead" cat) and it was the only link I've ever posted in that channel and got an instant threat of ban... Anywho, that was a year or so ago and I've never been in the channel since because it's as boring as watching a "dead" cat.

Edit: So yo can post links and still not be classed off topic, try this:

"I love LFS, the UF1000 is fun. Here's a link to my Mini."

Or

"Some cars in LFS are so slow, just like this Volvo in this link."

Not only are you on topic, but you comparing LFS to real life stuff which is what LFS is trying to simulate but in a fictional way ;) :p

Edit 2: And if you want to get real tricky, try this:

"I love the background imagines of the LFS tracks, heres a link to a mountain that looks similar."

or

"Smashed my RB4 up huge the other night on the Blackwood rally track, just like this rally car did in this link."

[Gener_AL (UK)]

Maybe you should of fed the cat or maybe talked to him or her ,maybe then the cat could of had some fun and a laugh at the same time.

[Rotary]

It wasn't my cat, someone else's... would have taken a fair effort for me to feed a cat on the otherside of the world! :D

Hey, that would have been interesting... :D

If it was my cat it wouldn't have been sleeping on the couch, it would have been ripping it up with its claws then running away as I told it off.

[Don]

WARNING! you CANNOT have conversation with someone who has different opinion in this channel. I disagreed with caporegine in something about LFS, so we started discussing and got kickbanned for 1h for that. wtf is wrong? there were hundreds of such discussions, not even about lfs and noone banned anyone...

also nice behavior from op...
(23:50:01) (@Moonclaw) DoN^^ & caporegime, go FU*K yourselves. <- in original its not censored

[ekze]

LOL. Nice log, Don ^_^

[deggis]

In this matter I agree with DoN...

[illegal]

Don, you should listen to your Kidk more.

[J.Gent]

WARNING! you CANNOT have conversation with someone who has different opinion in this channel. I disagreed with caporegine in something about LFS, so we started discussing and got kickbanned for 1h for that. wtf is wrong? there were hundreds of such discussions, not even about lfs and noone banned anyone...

also nice behavior from op...
(23:50:01) (@Moonclaw) DoN^^ & caporegime, go FU*K yourselves. <- in original its not censored

Don it wasn't and hour I kickbanned you for, it approx 5 minutes. You can discuss whatever you like from cameras to other aspects of LFS and non LFS and you have done so for a number of years. The reason why I briefly kick banned you was that I asked you to stop the conversation, as it was barely a discussion and more like a silly argument, you both kept using the same viewpoint over and not actually getting anywhere. I pm'd you just after I did this and you never replied Carporoxx.x.x.. whatsit did and he returned soon after I removed the ban (your bans where both removed at the same time). As I also said in PM it wasn't personal I just didnt want the only topic in the room being a silly argument that was drawing more people into either side for what I felt was nothing more than just trolling.

Now please don't be so melodramatic and say that you cannot say what you feel, just PM if you disagree with the KB. I can't recall the last time I kicked or banned anyone except for spammers. If I didn't believe I could talk about any aspect of the game or other items I wouldn't visit #liveforspeed.

[vari]

I disagreed with caporegine in something about LFS, so we started discussing and got kickbanned for 1h for that. wtf is wrong?

EDIT: blah, <snip>

Advertisement: Feel the wrath of evil and unfair OPs and get banned in an instant, join The Official Live For Speed channel #liveforspeed in irc.gamesurge.net! :D

[Don]

EDIT: i didnt receive any PM, because you pmed DoN and my nick was DoN^^, so that explains....

[(FIN)Eza]

Oh SNAP!!! :Eyecrazy: :chair: :D

[J.Gent]

Well I do appologise don if you didnt recieve any. I thought it was odd that you never said anything I thought you must be ignoring me. I can understand now why you felt you where kicked without warning. I think I just realised what I did, I message don.... not DoN^^.. Well I do appologise don. :shy:

[Zeeall]

Well I do appologise don if you didnt recieve any. I thought it was odd that you never said anything I thought you must be ignoring me. I can understand now why you felt you where kicked without warning. I think I just realised what I did, I message don.... not DoN^^.. Well I do appologise don. :shy:

you need a silly-slap! now unban me:tilt:

[vrooom]

Me too!!!!!!! It has been while now.

[illegal]

Me too :(

[Zeeall]

on a sad note, im still in top #3 in the stats...:x

[MyBoss]

hahahaha, I've never been banned, pays of to not use IRC (to much)

[Huru-aito]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/permanent

per·ma·nent (pûrm-nnt)
adj.


Lasting or remaining without essential change: "the universal human yearning for something permanent, enduring, without shadow of change" Willa Cather.
Not expected to change in status, condition, or place: a permanent address; permanent secretary to the president.

[deggis]

Me too :(
Liar. :scratchch

[Hankstar]

Who the hell are Vrooom and Zeeall?

:D

[guybrush]

meh

thats why i left a long time ago

for anyone still up at that nazi chanel i hope you see that its not a good place to hang about

[Victor]

what dumb posts in this thread