Season 2: Lfscar Race 2: SPECIAL K 130° on Monday 11th of June, 18.15 UTC

[DeKo]

The race worked a lot better in general than the test race although it was over for me quite soon. Single file restarts are just a lot easier to do for the drivers (although still too hard for some).

What was annoying is that the crash that saw me stuck with my rear wheels on the grass happened during a full course yellow and it wasn't even the only crash I saw under full course yellow. Whenever I see the caution message I lift off the throttle and wait till I'm at about 120 km/h. Everyone else seems to go on a lot faster and usually one or two cars even overtake me. Was I doing it right? It seems to me that there would be less crashes under caution if people would go slower.

All in all it was still fun whenever I had other cars close to me even if I was laps down. I made a couple of misjudgements and sometimes went too low into a corner with someone next to me, so I apoligize for that, but I guess that's part of learning the whole oval/drafting buisiness.

A few more questions. Wasn't the actual race start supposed to be double file? Where can I get the layout files to practice the next tracks? What's the speed limit under caution when you are told to close the large gaps?
IF you go onto the same server that the race was on, Fischfix put the next races layout on that, so you can maybe go on and save the layout, or just practice on that server.

[11SuLLy11]

Is the server up with the layout's on it ?

[J.B.]

IF you go onto the same server that the race was on, Fischfix put the next races layout on that, so you can maybe go on and save the layout, or just practice on that server.

Thanks for that. I didn't know layouts could be saved from online servers.

[Fischfix]

http://www.konzeptundgestaltung.com/lfscar/html/img/pool/specialk_130.gif

With this post i upload the actual version of the Special K layout.

[byrney2004]

After how well all my practicing on the reverse track went spectacularly wrong, I will choose to stay off this layout untill the day of the race now:schwitz:

I think I did the most practice only to have my race go wrong before it even started. Turns out practice doesnt make perfect.

Also, if someone could upload a replay of event one somewhere (plz Fish) as I couldnt save it = stupid LFS. My race may have been short, but I know at least one car hit me even then. THANKS

[Fischfix]

new version of the track layout. i removed the tires and put bales there instead, so we don't have jumping around tires...

[james12s]

has a decision been made yet?

[11SuLLy11]

Monday night mate.

[james12s]

i dont mean the date, fischfix will know what i mean

[11SuLLy11]

Ye guys ready for tomorrow,I really worry about the chicane:schwitz:

[DeKo]

Ye guys ready for tomorrow,I really worry about the chicane:schwitz:
from my racing and testing, it doenst seem so bad. the standard of driving looks fairly high in this league, so shouldnt be a problem. at least 2 people can go through it side by side (me and hoga tried it, so did plenty of other people) so it doesnt look a massive problem. the only thing im worried about is that the bales may get chucked onto the track and wreck somebody race, as happened to me in testing. Im sure it wont be that bad, the bales are a lot better than the tyres for staying put.

[11SuLLy11]

from my racing and testing, it doenst seem so bad. the standard of driving looks fairly high in this league, so shouldnt be a problem. at least 2 people can go through it side by side (me and hoga tried it, so did plenty of other people) so it doesnt look a massive problem. the only thing im worried about is that the bales may get chucked onto the track and wreck somebody race, as happened to me in testing. Im sure it wont be that bad, the bales are a lot better than the tyres for staying put.Yes that is true,I find it very blind when close behind someone,also yes about bales they may cause problem's,in practice today I hit them didn't seem to cause that much problem's tbh,them red and white barriers will do the damage lol

[J.B.]

Two cars next to each other?! I did some running today and came to the conclusion that the car that is further back (usually the one on the right) should back off and tuck in behind the other one. Going to be interesting.

[Becky Rose]

I raced this last year and the biggest problems where idiots leaving the pits and not yielding to the cars they come out next too, and a few people who attempted overtakes... oh yeah, last year was really bad... on the single file section.

I'm not sure if i'll be racing this one, it's a long race and i've got so much work to do.

[Fischfix]

compared to first season the track is much easier. the chicane has now more space and is also moved towards the finish line, so there is more space behind the chicane.

yep, you are right a big problem are exiting cars from the pits. just to make it clear: exiting cars from the pits have NEVER the right of way there, but i think this is common racing knowledge.

[Fischfix]

Ladies and gentlemen, Start your engines:

Today Monday 11th, 18.15 UTC/GMT we will have the 2nd event of the LFSCAR 360degree.tk CUP SERIES, the SpecialK 130°. We will race on the server:
"(FM) 360° EVENT!" which runs under patch X.

Qualifying starts at 18.15 UTC/GMT.
1 outlap 2 fastlaps followed by a 6 lap sprint race with flying start

If we have more then 18 drivers on the server we will have a 20 min. open qualifying instead and no sprint race at all just to make the whole event not too long.

Track: Kyoto Oval, SpecialK Layout
Length: 130 laps
Special: No car-reset, flying start and cautions in SINGLE File
Layout: Keep your car behind the yellow line for pitting in and exiting. any crossing of the yellow line. you are allowed to cross the line if you got wrecked to get INTO pits. The cars exiting the pits NEVER have the right of way in the chicane. if you can't avoid cars there, exiting cars should stay as low as possible.

Skins:
As not everyone has uploaded a skin so far, please make sure you have a proper skin ready for the event which contains at least YOUR CAR NUMBER BIG ENOUGH AND READABLE ENOUGH ON THE ROOF OF YOUR CAR.

Rules:
- There was some confusion about retaking his position under caution when gettin crashed out under caution. You are allowed to retake your position under caution when you get crashed out AFTER the Caution starts. If you get crashed out earlier or you are part of the reason for the caution, you are not allowed to overtake. When regaining your position make sure you do not overtake someone by mistake who was in front of you, which will be a 10 pts. penalty.
- Riding the brakes before a restart to heat up the turbo is not allowed and will be penalized with a 5 pts. penalty because it irritates drivers behind you.

Aditional Information:
- the #3 car (faster111) will still run under a 5pts. penalty restriction (the last, this and next race)
- the #29 car (racer hero )will run under a 5pts. penalty restriction (this and two more races)
- the #999 car (james12s) is not allowed in ventrillo event channel during the main race for this race

The password for todays race will be:
milkimum


i hope to see as much as possible of you for the race.

cheers fischfix

[LFSn00b]

Umm... Am i allowed to join Ventrilo for this event? Because i am banned from your Ventrilo server(been for over a month i think).


EDIT: New skin

[Fischfix]

if you are banned, i can't make anything about it. i don't have admin-rights for ventrillo. so you probably have to rely on the rcm messages.

[LFSn00b]

"Host not found on the master server"

Is the LFSCAR server crashed? :shrug:

[AdonisAmaronis]

Ok, sorry for the bad language,
but you're not going to get this
to work anywhen.

And it's not just 'bout the few
hogamans. The admins have no
clue 'bout what they're doing
either.

[Brainblaster666]

Ok, sorry for the bad language,
but you're not going to get this
to work anywhen.

And it's not just 'bout the few
hogamans. The admins have no
clue 'bout what they're doing
either.

U are banned for that bad language!!!!!! And the admins have a clue!!!!!

[mobiholik]

no ! server works just fine :thumb:

[faster111]

no ! server works just fine :thumb:

You sure cause i can't find it neither.

[Leifde]

Lying in 4th place, having a nice scrap 1st - 5th places and I get taken out by Hoga, I kept my line.

[mobiholik]

i found server almoast on top of the master server list !! (FM) 360° EVENT! - 100% works !!

[james12s]

it crashed just after the finish

[james12s]

well done all, race was excellent especially the second half

[faster111]

To bad i coudnt join the second half. But well done every one.

[finlay]

#455 RACE REPORT

First Start.......Lap 1 to 15 MAYHEM..... A LOT OF DRIVERS NEED TO LEARN ABOUT ENDURANCE RACING:really: Do you just get so nervus you for get how to drive.....Control you selves please:shrug:

Got caught up in a crash at the chicane with a sideways stationary car..... Put me upside down. I think the Car was Elliot

SECOND Start (Thank goodness) 110 lap race,

These are the Incidents I could jot down....But there were more

Lap 14 Sully
Lap 47 Ketil..... He hit the grass Spun up into me and severly damaged my car, we both had to pit
Lap 52 Elliot......

LAP 75 not far behind PunkRocker and I got Cramp in my leg (old biker wound).... Real pain but drove 3 laps through it


All in all a dissapointing race....... BRING ON THE NEXT ONE



BEING A LAP DOWN, I FOUND a big problem, The Blue flag sign ment I could not see some of the caution and Green Flag signs at all.... We need this to be GIVEN VERBALY WHEN IN A RACE PLEASE....

SHOUT GO GO GO ..... or PACE CAR three times

I also belive there was far to much chat, and far to much Messaging (Not Binds)...

Iv just one more thing Id like to air...

THERE IS NO NEED FOR SWARE WORDS IN THE TEXT or over Vent. At times in the race there were Torrents of Abusive text being typed. If you have to type abusive text to people to say how you feel.... YOU NEED TO GROW UP


AND RELAX..lol

Well done to all who drove clean...& to the Admin team.

[AdonisAmaronis]

U are banned for that bad language!!!!!! And the admins have a clue!!!!!

Which just proves how far we are from beeing anything like nascar.
In the real thing you would have seen me dropkicking threw that Hogadudes windshield during the caution-laps.

Oh, sorry. Wrong thread.

[mcintyrej]

No offence to anyone, but most of that race's troubles came from the BOTP crew. I'm not having a go, or taking a stab at you guys, your probably all pucka blockes.

But...

All the pace car incidents, were connected to you, apart from maybe a couple. Also, when someone else crashed around you, but it only affected that 1 person, you continued to spam "PACE CAR PACE CAR" when it didn't affect you.

Finally...

Close up the gaps in pace car phase! ONLY you guys were doing this, you were holding up maybe 7 or 8 people just because "we can't go faster its nascar rules". Well sorry matey, but the Big yellow message that spans your ENTIRE screen says "YELLOW FLAG PHASE, CLOSE UP BIG GAPS TO SINGLE FILE".

Rant over, lets all hug. :shy:

[james12s]

i think there was a couple of the botp blokes who were good and the others were utter twats

[AdonisAmaronis]

I had some great racing with punkrocker and some FM guy.
tripple-car drafting worked out quite well for many laps.

I guess I caused the first crash but I had a great stutter
there. Framerate just broke down. Sorry for that.

Pointing the finger at BotP is totally bollocks. Actually
I always closed the gaps but I'm quite sure that the
others are probably one of the only ones wo DIDN'T
cause any caution pile ups due to not speeding up
and braking, speeding up and braking, speeding up
and br.. BANG!

So what the heck were these "close the gap, come
on, close gap" comments for?

[james12s]

i think the swear word is justified especially whaen talkin bout one of them, you know the one(mr adonis prick)

[AdonisAmaronis]

Why's that?

[Fischfix]

i am not sure what happend, to the server. actually some of the people could not find it. i think it had something todo with master server... not sure :shrug:

[faster111]

i am not sure what happend, to the server. actually some of the people could not find it. i think it had something todo with master server... not sure :shrug: and its still not showing.

[Fischfix]

ok first:

- abusive language is not tolerated at all, so the admin banned some drivers as it is not allowed on any of the fm servers. being abusive to admins is not a way you should aproach. to be able to drive on FM servers again, those guys should really get into touch of the fm admins. it is in their decision if your allowed again on the servers.

- i will really watch all incedents, i will not judge on team-behaviour. everyone is equal, no matter in which team he is. (as i did in first race)

- keep in mind about the total penalty points you are allowed to have, i think we are in race 2 and some of the drivers will get that penalty points by now so they will not be allowed in the next 1 to 3 races. the penalty points will even stay after those 1 to 3 race suspension. so if they get a single point more in the penalty-count they will get again a suspension for 1 to 3 races...

- next race, we will allow only the top 15 drivers of the qualifying and the sprint races to the main race. "top" means not the fastets, if you are fast and crash out others during sprint race, you will be not allowed in main race. if you are slow but not crashing in the sprint races you will be in. that is what i can say for now. remember we had over 20 people on the server today...

- i will deduct points for the 20 laps race before the "rain brake", but i will count the climber points from the start of the 110 lap race after the "rain brake"


one more thing:
THIS AIN'T NASCAR, this is LFSCAR. it is not possible to have the same as nascar in lfs, just because the game does not offer all the possibilies, but it is in the spirit of nascar. and NO they don't give out a caution everytime a car spinns.... watch the last bristol race for example, there were 12 Caution phases but it could be even 15 if you count all those wrecks in who made it to the pits or which were able to toss the car around and go on...

[faster111]

Ok update i can see the server if the rest is on.

[byrney2004]

Quick Fishey!!! Upload the replay so we can all see the carnage :razz: Cant wait to watch this one. Being in it would have been stressful I guess, but watching will just be pure entertainment. (hope Ecret had fun and did well):thumb:

[J@mes]

Can you please post the replays of the race so we can give our race reports :)

[J.B.]

Quite an eventful race...

While under green I thought the racing was good and most drivers behaved quite well. But the cautions! They just didn't work. In every caution there were collisions for various reasons from too sudden braking, too small gaps, too inconsistant speed and too high speed. Under these circumstances I am not happy with being spammed all the time to close the gaps especially from people other than the ones in charge. When there are pile ups under every caution I think keeping the gap to the car in front slightly larger is a completely reasonable tactic to try and avoid this. Usually I try to close the gap right before the green flag but this didn't always work due to unexpectedly early green flags. I'm beginning to think that the only way to get this working is by doing some kind of Rookie test to qualify for the series. Here you would have to do a certain number of laps behind the pacecar without crashing. How hard can it be?

Now about the caution requests. Before the race I discussed this with my team mates and we came to the agreement that if any of us are involved in an incident that we feel would cause a yellow in real stock car racing we would request a caution as a team. The reason for this is that we wanted to keep it as realistic and consistant as possible. Personally I have never seen a car hit the wall in NASCAR without a caution being called but maybe, as Fischfix' post indicates, I just haven't watched enough races. But even if this is the case there is still no reason for the admins to accuse us of not reading the rules.

CAUTION PHASES (PACECAR PHASES)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
- Caution phases are either requested by the drivers (more then 2 individual requests) or by LFSCAR race-control

- Whenever there are serious accidents or slow cars on track, race-control can start a caution-phase to prevent more accidents, and to give damaged cars the chance to repair.


That's all there is. I understood it to mean that there will be a caution when there are at least three requests because of a car in the wall, hence my frustration (and that of my team mates) when I was told off for making requests.

I'll finish this post with a personal incident report to make life a little easier for Fischfix. Keep up the hard work and see you at the next race.


L15: Spun by myself, hit the wall and then kept going.

L22: Caution is called, I lift off and am then overtaken by the leading pack (6 cars) while doing 170 km/h...

L41: Pacecar gives false caution alarm (again) which causes me to completely lose contact to the field.

L55: Collision with Fischfix, after looking at the replay I think it was more his fault than mine.

L61: Collision with G.Gab, clearly his fault.

L72: Got spun around under caution, tried to retake the lost positions, Fischfix didn't agree. :)

L77: Fischfix spins again while near me but this time without contact.

[G.Gab]

pacecar phases:
the main problem with the pacecar phases is that there are almost always pileups and/or spins during these phases. and the reason is simply because cars dont stick to the appropriate speed. if i remember correctly its 120mph and 150mph on last lap.
i remember going about 200 and not catching up with the field.
the result of the different speeds is pile ups due to changing of speeds. people suddenly brake and other hit their rear. this really shouldnt be a problem cuz if everybody just sticks to the speed pileups are actually impossible.

chatting:
i (and every body should) only listen to what the admin, the pacecar and fishfix have to say or write. instead everybodys going through the chat shouting or typing "catchup", "you dont know the rules", "youre the lucky dog". i really think everybody except the 3 mentioned should be forced to shutup (in both textual and verbal form). that goes especially against hogaman and fusion jack. its very confusing and incredibly annoying. besides i dont think theyre the brightest.

calling cautions:
of course fishfix is right, not every spin causes fullcourse yellow in nascar. but almost all of them do and according to the lfscar rules i believe two drivers calling the pacecar should result in fullcourse yellow. unfortunately this was hardly ever the case after the restart. i think one of the main problems here is a lot of the drivers dont have the nascar spirit. fullcourse yellow isnt a bad thing it just belongs to it. that way the race remains more exciting because the pack is bunched again and more drivers remain on the leadlap (besides it gives me more time to eat my crisps and drink my coke). of course its annoying if a pacecar phase ends and starts with another one, but thats the way it is, people will learn from it. especially because it is annoying.

admin and pacecar descisions:
i dont want to flame cuz i know that these are both tough jobs. still i dont think these two made the best of descisions at all times.
one of the most annoying things which happened in both races (thats kyoto reversed and kyoto special k) was:
there was a crash, so full course yellow was called. i immediately slowed down as thats what you are supposed to in fullcourse yellow (funny thing is, it seemed me and probably a few others were the only ones who slowed down) cuz the cars infront of me drove away while the others from behind came closer and closer. suddenly before the pacecar is even on the track the greenflag comes out again. in total i lost about 20sec due to this and i know my teammates did too.
if you call fullcourse yellow it must be fullcourse yellow you cant take the decision back. or is obeying the rules supposed to be penalized.

i also remember a pacecar phase right at the beginning in which the luckydog was supposed to be passing, instead the last lap under caution sign came out and shortly after the greenflag. everybody stepped to the pedals and suddenly the lucky dog can pass sign comes out. everybody braked again and pileups resulted.

again to cautions, when i was approuching the chicane with (i think) fishfix right behind me, a car suddenly exited the pitlane making it extremely hard for me not to hit him, and impossible for my predator who crashed. me and fishfix called the pacecar the result was nothing. no pacecar, no full course yellow.

later i had a crash in the chicane which caused debris to be spread all over the track and me facing backwards on the track. calling the pacecar didnt cause a reaction.

if these situations dont call fullcourse yellow then what does?


all and together i had some fun moments during the race but i think the main problem is that lfs doesnt really support nascar. thats why people must really concentrate and stick to the given rules. that includes admin and pacecar driver. if that isnt done i sadly see no chance for the league which is a pity cuz id really like to race a full nascar (lfscar) season.

[J@mes]

Saying whose "fault" an accident is and calling people thick isnt helpful lads...

Anyway, heres my report for the second part of the race, the 110 lapper:

Lap 33, i lost control on turn 2 due to my setup hating me (it consistently tried to spin me out for the whole race), and i hit the backmarker #0, and he may have lost time, i didnt really see.

Lap 48, i let 2March pass me under yellow as i had passed him just as the yellow was called. Not a problem, just so you guys can understand what was going on.

Lap 71, Me, #8 and #38 reordered as we passed each straight after yellow was called. Again not a problem but im not sure if we got the order right. We agreed on it at the time though.

Lap 100, #14 scared the crap out of me when he started to bump me into turn 3. I was asking him kindly not to draft with me, let alone bump me! Again not really a problem, no harm was caused.

[Fischfix]

hey guys, the inofficial results and statistics are online on www.lfscar.com in the results section.
if you can't reach it here are the two direct links:
abortet 20 lap race (http://www.konzeptundgestaltung.com/lfscar/results/s2_race2/2007-06-12_11.45.55_results_race.html)
110 lap main race after "rain brake" (http://www.konzeptundgestaltung.com/lfscar/results/s2_race2/2007-06-12_01.48.16_results_race.html)

the event replay can be found in the media section of www.lfscar.com or by clicking on THIS LINK (http://www.konzeptundgestaltung.com/lfscar/replay/lfscar_event2.rar)

[james12s]

im happy 2nd highest climer and 2nd most stable :)

[J@mes]

Race report for 22 lapper


Lap 2, i passed #91 as pacecar phase began, let him pass later lap under pacecar

Lap 9, Pacecar phase called, i was leader, saw the pacecar in front of me and slowed right down behind it, yet it was stopped. #14 came into the back of me going fast, span me out and partly caused pileup that ensued. General mess under red flag, when some people even had the cheek to tyre warm!

Lap 17, i pitted to take on fuel

Lap 19, i passed #44 under pacecar as he was extremely slow and the two guys in front of me had just passed him.

Lap 20, under pacecar #0 hit me twice in the rear

Lap 21, Accident with #44 and #0 after green flag, car wrecked.

[faster111]

Yeah i was doing good on the 1st race behind my team mate i was doing so good after that it totally went wrong.

[Ketil]

#455 RACE REPORT

First Start.......Lap 1 to 15 MAYHEM..... A LOT OF DRIVERS NEED TO LEARN ABOUT ENDURANCE RACING:really: Do you just get so nervus you for get how to drive.....Control you selves please:shrug:

Got caught up in a crash at the chicane with a sideways stationary car..... Put me upside down. I think the Car was Elliot

SECOND Start (Thank goodness) 110 lap race,

These are the Incidents I could jot down....But there were more

Lap 14 Sully
Lap 47 Ketil..... He hit the grass Spun up into me and severly damaged my car, we both had to pit
Lap 52 Elliot......

LAP 75 not far behind PunkRocker and I got Cramp in my leg (old biker wound).... Real pain but drove 3 laps through it


All in all a dissapointing race....... BRING ON THE NEXT ONE



BEING A LAP DOWN, I FOUND a big problem, The Blue flag sign ment I could not see some of the caution and Green Flag signs at all.... We need this to be GIVEN VERBALY WHEN IN A RACE PLEASE....

SHOUT GO GO GO ..... or PACE CAR three times

I also belive there was far to much chat, and far to much Messaging (Not Binds)...

Iv just one more thing Id like to air...

THERE IS NO NEED FOR SWARE WORDS IN THE TEXT or over Vent. At times in the race there were Torrents of Abusive text being typed. If you have to type abusive text to people to say how you feel.... YOU NEED TO GROW UP


AND RELAX..lol

Well done to all who drove clean...& to the Admin team.

So sorry Finlay, at this point I was stuggeling with the handling, Hope we can still be friends?:razz:

Ketil

[LFSn00b]

ffs, why i was not informed the server was back up?

[J.B.]

Ok, so I've had a look at one of the bigger caution pile ups to try and find out why so many crashes happen. I pressed pause 5 seconds before the pile up started and had a look at the speeds and gaps of the cars involved.

My first guess that the gaps between cars were too small was not the reason as most of the involved cars weren't that close to each other before the accident and because real stock car drivers are also very close to each other.

The speeds of the cars were: 150, 168, 171, 121, 137, 194 and the pace car was doing 148 km/h.

So how fast are real NASCAR cautions? Google says:
A lot of times caution periods help out the teams with fuel mileage because while under the caution flag, the cars are slowed down to usually 55 miles per hour behind the pace car. On superspeedways, they reach speeds of nearly 70 miles per hour behind the pace car under caution.

That's 89 km/h and 113 km/h. Since braking distances increase to the power of 2 I think the main reason for the problems is obvious. At the speed the pace car was doing, the braking distance is almost 3 times as long as it would be at 89 km/h and almost 2 times as long as it would be at 113 km/h.

Without rule changes here I don't think I will participate in any future oval races.

[james12s]

one thing, **** all the technical crap, people were close due to the close gaps message and i think the sc was going a bit to slow, i think no one is to blame, it is a case of 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other, just people need to be a bit more careful in future and i think the reason for the slow sc was due to the rare situation of the sc going on track late

[Leifde]

He's saying the safety car was too quick. Did you even read the post properly?

I agree about the speed of pace car phases though. IMO the pace car should go 80mph and keep that speed constant.

[james12s]

yes i know what he was saying anout speed but i was saying what i thought the reason was so read my post properly!!!!!!!!!

[Leifde]

You said you thought the safety car was going a bit slow?i think the sc was going a bit to slow

[james12s]

at that moment in relation to the cars on track

[Fischfix]

Without rule changes here I don't think I will participate in any future oval races.

hi j.b. you were right with that and of course i knew it. in the first season, the pacecar speed was 80km/h (pitlimiter) so everyone had to press pitlimiter when a caution comes out and slow down to that speed. we changed it during the season just because tires were cooling down even more under that speed.

i wanted to bring it back in season 2. in the test-race before the season we had a speed of 100km/h which brought up the same problems and even worse. we then decided to go faster to 120 and 150km/h.

for me it is not a problem to go 80km/h but for lots of the drivers it is. i mean as racecontroll it could help a lot with going just with pit-limiter-speed. you just klick through the field when a caution comes out and whoever does not have pitlimiter on 10 sec. after the caution comes out or when the gaps are closed, gets a penalty for speeding. we then need only 4 laps per caution in my opinion which will level out the heat problem again. as the lucky dog and gaps will be closed faster.

i am not sure why there is a resistance against 80km/h though in the drivers field. but i think it is just because of the tire-heat.

on the next race we are going slower pacecarspeed anyways because its a short track without bankings, so people WANT to cool off their tires. and i think 80km/h there is fast enough. then comes the 3.6 and aston. the 3.6 won't need any Caution and Aston won't have that much cautions, as it will be handled more like normal circuit racing. so there is no need to step out of the league now.

for the next kyoto ovals i really have some rule-changes in mind. which might force people to get cooler tires under caution and therefore a slower pace-car speed. this will also raise the strategy component of the whole thing. but i first need some testing to make sure it works. so stay tuned with it.

if the tires would not cool off that much i would prefer 80km/h as well on ovals to be honest...

[finlay]

So sorry Finlay, at this point I was stuggeling with the handling, Hope we can still be friends?:razz:

Ketil


:thumb: no worrys ....Im not bitter.....

[Nobo]

I have watched big parts in quick-motion now and in my opinion untill some lost a bit of concentration in the middle part of the race it wasnt the worst piece of oval racing and it looked like fun. Thinking myself to join again.
Nice to see for example Ketil working himself from 16th place up to 5th. Great performance.

You can see a little race report in the "news section" of our page (http://www.factoryphantom.de), its just german (Sorry international folks)

[Fischfix]

aldi, you are welcome at any time :)

i have watched parts of the main race and also the 20 lap race. the most problems in my opinion came from people not concentrating on racing but concentrating on chatting or reading the chat massages. and also the cautions and the tire heat after a caution.

all in all it was quite ok (if we don't talk about the 20laper before the "rain brake")


i can think about a rule not having a caution at least 5 laps after finishing a caution. so maybe people try to stay clean after a restart... not sure if this would help in any way...

an other rule i am thinking and testing at the moment for all kyoto oval tracks is a tire-restriction to R2. i drove 90 laps yesterday on R2s without any trouble (not sure how they behave in draft or bumpdraft though, needs more testing). but they won't last for a whole race. the good thing is, they heat up after a caution within 1 or 2 laps. and the inner tires do not get that cold. (start: left side: 65°, right side: 65°, lap 30: inner side: 80°, outer side 112°, lap 45: inner side 75°, outer side 110°, lap 90: inner side: 65° outer side 100°)
the laptimes were not much slower and i think this is really an option then. i really need more testing with bumpdrafting and draft to see if they can blow up the tires or more the question, WHEN this blows up the tires.
if they blow up after 45 laps, it is still an option. so people with that kind of strategy have to pit in more often wheras people who run alone can stay out longer... but don't take this as granted. it is just an idea and needs much testing and isn't interesting until the second half of the season...

[11SuLLy11]

I didn't finish,can I count that as drop round ?

[Fischfix]

hi sully, the result with the least points will be counted as the drop result.





by the way guys, i had to change the schedule a bit for 2 races. look in the Tracks and Schedule thread please and tell it to all your friends who are in the league.

thanx!

[james12s]

i do like the r2s in a way, i would care either way

[james12s]

how's the results doin

[Fischfix]

work in progress.

its a lot more work this time, because i can't fast forward more then 4x (not sure why...) but i am working on it :)

[james12s]

k just thought id ask how its goin

[Fischfix]

really nice race report Adli!

[Nobo]

Maybe i can get a reporter place on the server!? You know i have a more then stable connection...

[Fischfix]

OF COURSE! you could do that AND racing :)

BTW...

[Fischfix]

Race Report Qualifying
================================================== =
To go | Involved Cars | Actions | Peanlty for Car #

17m30s | #666 | Goes reverse in pitlane | Warning for #666
11m40s | #9, #22s | #22 bumpdrafts #9, no „top 50% of the grid“ bonus for both drivers | -5pts for #22s
9m40s | #0, #8, #14 | #8 hits #0 after chicane. #0, #14 crash out, #8 keep on going | -5pts for #8

Race Report stopped Race
===============================================
Lap | Involved Cars | Actions | Peanlty for Car #
Lap 0 | #028 | Put on wrong starting position, should be 17th is 23rd gets a 1pt bonus | +1pts. For #028
Lap 0 | #007 | No big number on the roof, wrong number on car | Warning For #007
Lap 0 | #68 | No big number on the roof | Warning For #068
Lap 0 | #68 | No big number on the roof | Warning For #068
Lap 0 | #22s | Started under wrong number because of some misunderstanding | Warning For #22s
Lap 0 | #7s | Started under wrong number because of some misunderstanding | Warning For #7s
Lap 0 | #666 | Did not turn up on start
Lap 0 | #3, #79 | #3 lost control over his car, hits wall and was way too fast for slow cars in front, hit #79 in the rear with over 180km/h | -10pts For #3
Lap 1 | #9, #55 | #55 overtook #9 before Green Flag | -10pts For #55
Lap 1 | #44, #66 | #44 overtook #66 under Green Flag | -10pts For #44
Lap 2 | #007 | #007 lose control while dire-heating and crashes out, takes his place back
Lap 2 | #55, #74 | #74 bumps rear of #55, both slide, #74 goes into the wall, racing accident
Lap 2 | #9, #11, #55, #74 | #55 braked before chicane, #74 lifted but bumped #55 a bit, #55 starts to slide and hits #9 and passing #11, causes Caution #1, racing accident
Lap 2 | #55, #455 | #455 hits stationarry #55, result of the crash before
Lap 2 | #44 | #44 hits bales on the left at the chicane, slides off the track
CAUTION #1 STARTS

Lap 5 | #445 | Is lucky dog
Lap 6 | #3, #028, #68 | #028 too close to #3 under caution, both start to slide, #3 hits #68 when sliding back on track | -5pts For #028
Lap 6 | #028, #55 | #028 too fast (over 160km/h) during caution, hits #55 | -5pts For #028 CAUTION #1 ENDS


Lap 7 | #0, #3, #74, #11 | #74 tries to overtake #0 on the ouside on the kink of start finish and starts to slide, hits #0 car which flipps over, causing Caution #2 | -10pts For #74
Lap 7 | #0, #11, #3 | #11 hits flipping car #0, #11 slides into #3
CAUTION #2 STARTS


Lap 8 | #3, #11 | #3 and #11 get contact when passing the chicane, #11 gets crashed out while trying to overtake during caution | |
Lap 8 | #44, #68 | #44 bumps #68 while going through the grass under caution, #68 spins out | -5pts For #44
Lap 9 | #0, Pacecar, #42,... | Big pile-up causing a RED-Flag situation, all cars have to stop. The cause of this pile-up lies in the responsibility of the pacecar driver. The pacecar went ON the track and did not speed up, and stayed at 40km/h. There was no input (steering, padels) from the pacecar what so ever until it got hit. I am not sure if this was a lag problem or a hardware disfunction, or a problem of the pacecar-driver himself falling asleep.

Normaly under a Red-Flag situation the race will be restarted from the connection screen. We decided to go on right from the track. The red-flag situation caused the tires to cool down too much, also the starting „rain“ did the rest.
LFSCAR won't review all crashes after lap 9 because of the happenings in lap 9.
After Caution #2, another Caution (Caution #3) was needed which brought race-control to the conclusion to abort the race.
The restart of the race when the „rain“ stopped was set up for a 110 lap race with almost the grid before the restart. Some of the drivers really had bad luck, including #18, #68, #74 because of the mess.
In future races, a red flag situations will automatically lead into a restart of the main race from connection screen. If there are less then 10 minutes of race-progress, the race will be restarted with normal racelength and the qualifying grid. If there are more then 10 minutes done before red flag, the race will be restared with the actual positions of each car when last time passing finish line and a race-length reduction by the amount of driven laps +10 of the leader. All cars will start in the lead lap again.



Race Report 110 lap Race
============================================

Lap 0 some cars are set on the wrong starting position

Lap 1 #11 | #11 does a jump-start, gets drive through penalty by LFS
Lap 1 #3, #44 | #3 drives on the side of #44 aproaching the chicane, both spin out after contact | -5 pts. | #3
Lap 1 #55, #9 | #55 overtook #9, tried to give back the place before the chicane, after the chicane the green flag came out, so #55 overtook #9 before green flag | -10 pts. | #55
Lap 3 #3 | #3 times out
Lap 7 #44 | #44 goes on the track in the corner, crossing the yellow line | -2 pts. | #44
Lap 13 #028 | #028 crosses yellow line at pit entrance | -2 pts. | #028
Lap 14 #0, #74 | #0 hits #74, both spin out, big crash, SHOULD be a caution | -5 pts. | #0
Lap 14 #11, #74 | #11 hits stationary #74
Lap 14 #0 | #0 (is wreck) Crosses yellow line at pit entrance because no chance to go there earlier because of passing cars
Lap 15 #55 | #55 Spins out in T2
Lap 18 #44 | #44 goes to spectate
Lap 22 #44 | #44 rejoins race
Lap 22 #007, #9, #88, #55 | Several cars go through the grass because #55 on wrong line slows down, #007 passes those cars, gets hit by #88 coming out of the grass hitting the rear end of #007, causing a caution. counting it as a racing accident. It wasn't the fault of #88 nor #007.
CAUTION #1 STARTS


Lap 23 #79, #0, #07s, #8, #42, #38, #91 | #0, #07s, #8, #42, #38, #91 pass #79 under under Caution | -10 pts. | #0, #07s, #8, #38, #42, #91
Lap 23 #55 | #55 slows down on start finish straight. Stays there stationary for more then 30 seconds. | -10 pts. | #55
Lap 25 #79 | Is lucky dog
Lap 26 #11, #44 | #44 hits #11 under Caution causing #11 to spin out | -10 pts. | #44
Lap 25 #55 | #55 overtakes several cars including the pacecar under Caution | -10 pts. | #55
Lap 28 #11 | Pits in
CAUTION #1 ENDS


Lap 32 #11 | #11 lost control before chicane and crashes through chicane
Lap 33 #0, #42 | #42 starts to slide, #0 hits the rear of #42, #0 is too close under caution, so racing accident

Lap 33 #55, #79, #0, #66 | #55 lost control in T3 because of damaged car
Lap 33 #55 | #55 is offensive against the admins and uses offensive language against all other drivers, disconnects | -10 pts. | #55
Lap 37 #44 | #44 pits in
Lap 40 #44, #18 | #44 pits out, is very slow at the chicane. #18 could not avoid a crash and hits #44. #18 flipps over has to reset to pits. Racing Accident though.
CAUTION #2 STARTS

rest will follow through this week

[james12s]

nice one mate i am happy with no penalties atm

[Leifde]

The race was NOT restarted with the positions of before the restart. I brought this up several times at the time but was ignored.

[Fischfix]

i know danny. it was really a mess. look at me for example. i should have started somewhere in the middle and ended up almoston last position at the restart. same with #68 2march.

the best solution would have been restarting the race again with qualifying results. but it needed a quick decission and to be honest i was not completely prepared for a red-flag situation, although i had a RCM for it...

as you can see in the race report, the rules are now set even for those situations. :shrug:


it is like in football when the referee gives out a 3rd yellow card to a single player. he can't take back the 2nd yellow card which should have been a yellow/red one... he even can't take back the 3rd one.

[Leifde]

Reading my post back it seems harsh, it wasn't meant to be. I know its hard on you and you turned out one of the most disadvantaged by it, I was just correcting your post. :)

I don't completely agree with my penalty and it seems no one has got a penalty for riding the brakes before a restart. That exact thing - riding the brakes - was the cause of my crash. I had to swerve because the person in front was still on the brakes at the restart. :shrug:

[yankman]

Lap 23 #79, #0, #07s, #8, #42, #38, #91 | #0, #07s, #8, #42, #38, #91 pass #79 under under Caution | -10 pts. | #0, #07s, #8, #38, #42, #91

Yeah, thought it might give a penalty .... clearly my fault.
I guess if would have slowed down behind jb all the others would have done too.

A little explanation, if I am in front I try to catch the pace car.
For this I am asking for the pace car's position, looking at the minimap and going faster than the pace car (app. 200 km/h).
Which for me is a save way.

While passing jb. who runs far slower, I thought of a crashed car, which is going into pits. A few moments later I realized he was just really slow because of FCY.
At this point I had no option beside going on, because breaking would have caused a massive pile up behind me.

I have a question about the FCY procedure.
As I said if I am in front I go clearly faster than the pace car.
What is the preferred way ... going slower than the pace car an wait for it to catch me ?

Under normal conditions the pace car should leave the pits just in front of the leader. The leader can easy seen on the minimap.

[Fischfix]

@ yankman
we will have a new rule on the next kyoto oval track concerning speed and pacecar, which will make it a lot easier for the pacecar and the leader to meet each other. which will inculde the pit-limiter until the pacecar is infront of the leader. i will have to write it out, so everyone understands it. but as we don't have a pitlimiter on the autocross layout it is not important.

the correct rule would be, slowing down until pacecar speed. (not braking) just slowing down. the pacecar should come out in front of you. as far as i know, in nascar they have more then on pacecar on different parts of the track. which makes it much easier. it might be an improvement when the pacecar is not standing at pit-exit but somewhere near turn 2 on the normal oval. (not sure on that though becaue of yellow flag)

@ danny, you should write this in your race report. if it is riding the brakes as you've described it, i can review it again and it is the other cars fault then probably or the crash will be a racing accident. i watched it only from top view so far, and from that point of view it is your fault though.

[faster111]

-15 points for me ahh.

[finlay]

What are the scores on the Doors Mr F :)

[DeKo]

final results finished yet?

[james12s]

results???????

[Urban_Eagle1]

I was just wondering with this pace car stuff, since ur using GTR cars why not just stick on the Pit limiter bang everyones happy lol i mean the speeds would be iffy but it would be a nuteral speed and everyone can obey it without question at a tap of a button. Just a though and u can flame me if you want.

Sorry if im offtopic atm

[11SuLLy11]

48 mph bit slow for safety car pace

[Fischfix]

not really, on nascar they are going about 60 miles per hour on indy, and on the short-tracks even slower i think.

the rules will change in that direction (pit-limiter speed), with an addition of reducing pacecar length (laps) and a tire restriction to R2 (so they heat up faster when they are cold). but only on the kyoto oval layouts. we also might think about a reasonable MAXIMUM speed under Caution, which might prevent crashes from closing up cars. i will give that information out when the admins and me discussed it.

[Fischfix]

FINISHED RACE REPORT

Race Report Qualifying
================================================== =====
to go | Involved cars | Actions | Peanlty For Car #
17m30s | #666 | Goes reverse in pitlane | Warning For #666
11m40s | #9, #22s | #22s bumpdrafts #9, no „top 50% of the grid“ bonus for both drivers | -5pts For #22s
9m40s | #0, #8, #14 | #8 hits #0 after chicane. #0, #14 crash out, #8 keep on going | -5pts For #8


Race Report (20 laper)
================================================== =====
Lap | Involved Cars | Actions
Lap 0 | #028 | Put on wrong starting position, should be 17th is 23rd gets a 1pt bonus | +1 pts. For #028
Lap 0 | #007 | No big number on the roof, wrong number on car | Warning For #007
Lap 0 | #68 | No big number on the roof | Warning For #068
Lap 0 | #22s | Started under wrong number because of some misunderstanding | Warning For #22s
Lap 0 | #7s | Started under wrong number because of some misunderstanding | Warning For #7s
Lap 0 | #666 | Did not turn up on start
Lap 0 | #3, #79 | #3 lost control over his car, hits wall and was way too fast for slow cars in front, hit #79 in the rear with over 180km/h | -10 pts. For #3
Lap 1 | #9, #55 | #55 overtook #9 before Green Flag | -10 pts. For #55
Lap 1 | #44, #66 | #44 overtook #66 under Green Flag | -10 pts. For #44
Lap 2 | #007 | #007 lose control while tire-heating and crashes out, takes his place back
Lap 2 | #55, #74 | #74 bumps rear of #55, both slide, #74 goes into the wall, racing accident
Lap 2 | #9, #11, #55, #74 | #55 braked before chicane, #74 lifted but bumped #55 a bit, #55 starts to slide and hits #9 and passing #11, causes Caution #1, racing accident
Lap 2 | #55, #455 | #455 hits stationarry #55, result of the crash before
Lap 2 | #44 | #44 hits bales on the left at the chicane, slides off the track
CAUTION #1 STARTS

Lap 5 | #445 | Is lucky dog
Lap 6 | #3, #028, #68 | #028 too close to #3 under caution, both start to slide, #3 hits #68 when sliding back on track | -5 pts. For #028
Lap 6 | #028, #55 | #028 too fast (over 160km/h) during caution, hits #55 | -5 pts. For #028
Lap 6 | #0, #18 | Riding Brakes under Caution | -5 for #0. #18 CAUTION #1 ENDS

Lap 7 | #0, #3, #74, #11 | #74 tries to overtake #0 on the outside on the kink of start finish and starts to slide, hits #0 car which flipps over, causing Caution #2 | -5 pts. For #74
Lap 7 | #0, #11, #3 | #11 hits flipping car #0, #11 slides into #3
CAUTION #2 STARTS

Lap 8 | #3, #11 | #3 and #11 get contact when passing the chicane, #11 gets crashed out while trying to overtake during caution | |
Lap 8 | #44, #68 | #44 bumps #68 while going through the grass under caution, #68 spins out | -5 pts. For #44
Lap 9 | #0, Pacecar, #42,... | Big pile-up causing a RED-Flag situation, all cars have to stop.
The cause of this pile-up lies in the responsibility of the pacecar driver. The pacecar went ON the track and did not speed up, and stayed at 40km/h. | |

There was no input (steering, padels) from the pacecar what so ever until it got hit. I am not sure if this was a lag problem or a hardware disfunction, Or a problem of the pacecar-driver himself falling asleep. Normaly under a Red-Flag situation the race will be restarted from the connection screen.

We decided to go on right from the track. The red-flag situation caused the tires to cool down too much, also the starting „rain“ did the rest.
LFSCAR won't review all crashes after lap 9 because of the happenings in lap 9.
After Caution #2, another Caution (Caution #3) was needed which brought racecontrol to the conclusion to abort the race.
The restart of the race when the „rain“ stopped was set up for a 110 lap race with the grid from before the restart

In future races, a red flag situations will automatically lead into a restart of the main race from connection screen.
If there are less then 10 minutes of race-progress, the race will be restarted with normal racelength and the qualifying grid.

If there are more then 10 minutes done before red flag, the race will be restared with the actual positions of each car when last time passing finish line.and a race-length reduction by the amount of driven laps +10 of the leader. All lappers will be in the lead lap again after a restart.





Race Report 110 Lap Race
==============================

Lap 0 | Some cars are set to wrong starting position | +1 pts. For #18, #68
Lap 1 | #11 | #11 does a jump-start, gets drive through penalty by LFS
Lap 1 | #3, #44 | #3 drives on the side of #44 aproaching the chicane, both spin out after contact | -5 pts. For #3
Lap 1 | #55, #9 | #55 overtook #9, tried to give back the place before the chicane, after the chicane the green flag came out, so #55 overtook #9 before green flag | -10 pts. For #55
Lap 3 | #3 | #3 times out
Lap 7 | #44 | #44 goes on the track in the corner, crossing the yellow line | -2 pts. For #44
Lap 13 | #028 | #028 crosses yellow line at pit entrance | -2 pts. For #028
Lap 14 | #0, #74 | #0 hits #74, both spin out, big crash, SHOULD be a caution | -5 pts. For #0
Lap 14 | #11, #74 | #11 hits stationary #74
Lap 14 | #0 | #0 (is wreck) Crosses yellow line at pit entrance because no chance to go there earlier because of passing cars
Lap 15 | #55 | #55 Spins out in T2
Lap 18 | #44 | #44 goes to spectate
Lap 22 | #44 | #44 rejoins race

Lap 22 | #007, #9, #88, #55 | Several cars go through the grass because #55 on wrong line slows down, #007 passes those cars, gets hit by #88 coming out of the grass hitting the rear end of #007, causing a caution. racing accident. It wasn't the fault of #88 nor #007.
CAUTION #1 STARTS


Lap 23 | #79, #0, #07s, #8, #42, #38, #91 | #0, #07s, #8, #42, #38, #91 pass #79 under under Caution | -10 pts. For #0, #07s, #8, #38, #42, #91
Lap 23 | #55 | #55 slows down on start finish straight. Stays there stationary for more then 30 seconds. | -10 pts. For #55
Lap 25 | #79 | Is lucky dog
Lap 26 | #11, #44 | #44 hits #11 under Caution causing #11 to spin out | -10 pts. For #44
Lap 25 | #55 | #55 overtakes several cars including the pacecar under Caution | -10 pts. For #55
Lap 28 | #11 | Pits in
CAUTION #1 ENDS


Lap 32 | #11 | #11 lost control before chicane and crashes through chicane, because as he says, popup under windows
Lap 33 | #0, #42 | #42 starts to slide, #0 hits the rear of #42, racing accident
Lap 33 | #55, #79, #0, #66 | #55 lost control in T3 because of damaged car
Lap 33 | #55 | #55 is offensive against the admins and uses offensive languageagainst all other drivers, disconnects | -10 pts. For #55
Lap 37 | #44 | #44 pits in
Lap 40 | #44, #18 | #44 crosses yellow line from track to pitext, stays there to get out of way of passing cars,, is very slow at the chicane. #18 could not avoid a crash and hits #44. #18 flipps over has to reset to pits. | -7 pts. For #44
Lap 40 | Several cars request a Caution, admins did not react right on the spot. When the caution came out, there was no need for it

Lap 41
CAUTION #2 STARTS

Admins decide to give out a Caution, the caution only lasts for half a lap though causing some of the cars losing seconds CAUTION #2 Ends

CAUTION #3 STARTS


Lap 47 | #9, #455 | #9 lose control in T2 and crashes #455 out | -5 pts. For #9
Lap 51 | #007, #22s | #007 Is lucky dog, admins say #22 is lucky dog first, they let them both go
Lap 55 | Green Flag
CAUTION #3 ENDS


Lap 55 | #18, #79 | Both cars had contact, #18 spins out, #79 continued. Racing accident.
Lap 57 | #18, #66, #79 | Cars give out a Caution-Request without any reason | Warning For #18, #66, #79
Lap 60 | #88 | Spins on start finish
Lap 61 | #66, #79 | Both cars attempt the chicane, #79 is on ideal line, #66 tries to pass and hits #79, #66 spins out and gets stuck on the apex | -5 pts. For #666
Lap 62
CAUTION #4 STARTS


Lap 62 | #66 | Is pitlaned by admin, gets offensive against another driver (stfu) | -5 pts. For #66
Lap 63 | #79, #88 | #88 overtakes #79 under caution, does not give place back before green flag | -10 pts. For #88
Lap 66 | #22s | Is lucky dog Lap 67
CAUTION #4 ENDS


Lap 70 | #007, #18, #028, #68, #999, | #007, #68, #999 are going through the chicane, #007hits #68, #007 spins through the grass #18 hits the stationary #007, also #028 gets involved, all in all a racing accident, looks also a bit like lag of the #007 here Lap 70
CAUTION #5 STARTS

Lap 71 | #028, #79 | #028 hits #79 under Caution because of speeding. Both spin out | -10 pts. For #028
Lap 74 | #9 | Is lucky dog
Lap 76 | #14 | Rides brakes under Caution | -5 pts. For #14
Lap 76 | #455, #88, #22s | #455 overtakes two cars under Caution | -10 pts. For #455 Lap 76
CAUTION #5 ENDS


Lap 76 | #22s, #88 | #22s hits #88 at restart, #22s spins himself out, #88 continued
Lap 79 | #14, #74, | #14 overtakes #74 in T3, was too close and slides into #74, crashes out | -10 pts. For #14
Lap 87 | #14, #028 | #14 overtakes #028 in T3, #028 does not hold line and crashes #14 out | -5 pts. For #028
Lap 92 | #0, #14 | #0 spins out #14 while bump-drafting | -5 pts. For #0Total
====================================
-50 | #55 | DISQ (more then 24 Penalty Points, 5 Penalties) => race suspension for Race 3 and Race 4
-34 | #44 | DISQ (more then 24 Penalty Points; 6 Penalties) => race suspension for Race 3
-26 | #028 | DISQ (more then 24 Penalty Points; 5 Penalties)
-25 | #0 | DISQ (more then 24 Penalty Points; 4 Penalties)
-15 | #14
-15 | #3
-15 | #8
-10 | #07s
-10 | #66
-10 | #38
-10 | #91
-10 | #42
-10 | #88
-10 | #455
-5 | #74
-5 | #9
-5 | #22s
-4 | #18
+1 | #68

Warnings: #18, #66, #79, #666

Bonus
====================================
5 #07s | Pole Position
5 | #14 | Fastest Lap in Race
5 | #68 | Highest Climber
5 | #0,#07s, #8, #14, #18, #38,#42, #55, #74, #88,#91,#455, | Top 50% of Qualifiers




Points Standings for Race 2
====================================
180____38[FPR]Yankman
165____#42 Strokes>UK<
165____#8[HR]?Rawe?
165____#07s[FM]Laudi
152____#68[FM]2March
150____#007 Fusion. Jack
150____#9[FM]^Ketil
142____#999_[PWRL]james12s
138____#79 J.B. BotP
129____#91_WOT.D???
125____#88-PunkRocker
122____#455 FIN[UK]
122____#18[FM]Fischfix
119____#14[HR] HogaMan
115____#74 - Moo.Danny
113____#22s[FM] Ecret
112____#11[HR] SuLLy
96_____#66 G.Gab BotP
94_____#3 Bo duke.WAV
5______#0 D.Galindo .WAV (5 Pts. from Quali)
5______#55 Adonis BotP (5 Pts. from Quali)
0______#028_Elliott
0______#44 [RTS] Klemen


Total Standings after 2 Races
================================================== =======
1st _____ 359 ____ #38[FPR]Yankman | 0
2nd _____ 338 ____ #8| HR Rawex | -21
3rd _____ 335 ____ #42 Strokes>UK< | -24
4th _____ 289 ____ #9[FM]^Ketil | -70
5th _____ 273 ____ #11[HR] SuLLy | -86
6th _____ 264 ____ #455 Fin[UK] | -95
7th _____ 260 ____ #79 J.B. BotP | -99
8th _____ 250 ____ #74 - Moo.Danny | -109
9th _____ 250 ____ #007Jack.McIntyre | -109
10th ____ 239 ____ #18_[FM]Fischfix | -120
11th ____ 233 ____ #999_[PWRL]james12s | -126
12th ____ 227 ____ #14[HR] HogaMan | -132
13th ____ 209 ____ #3 bo duke | -150
14th ____ 198 ____ #66 G.Gab BotP | -161
15th ____ 165 ____ #07s[FM]Laudi | -194
16th ____ 165 ____ #2_Becky Rose | -194
17th ____ 160 ____ #55 Adonis BotP | -199
18th ____ 152 ____ #68[FM]2March | -207
19th ____ 138 ____ #5 GWADanny | -221
20th ____ 129 ____ #91_WOT.DEKO | -230
21st ____ 125 ____ #88-PunkRocker | -234
22nd ____ 123 ____ #07[FM]^KeNi | -236
23rd ____ 113 ____ #22s[FM] Ecret | -246
24th ____ 112 ____ #50 TKS||Branislav | -247
25th ____ 109 ____ #22 [FM]Byrney | -250
26th ____ 98 _____ #13 DFH| LONT | -261
27th ____ 5 ______ #0 D.Galindo .WAV | -354
28th ____ 0 ______ #44 [RTS] Klemen | -359
29th ____ 0 ______ #028_Elliott | -359


Rookies Championships after 2 Races
================================================== ==
1st ____ 335 ___ #42 Strokes>UK<
2nd ____ 273 ___ #11[HR] SuLLy
3rd ____ 260 ___ #79 J.B. BotP
4th ____ 233 ___ #999_[PWRL]james12s
5th ____ 227 ___ #14[HR] HogaMan
6th ____ 198 ___ #66 G.Gab BotP
7th ____ 160 ___ #55 Adonis BotP
8th ____ 138 ___ #5 GWADanny
9th ____ 129 ___ #91_WOT.Deko
10th ___ 123 ___ #07[FM]^KeNi
11th ___ 113 ___ #22s[FM] Ecret
12th ___ 109 ___ #22 [FM]Byrney
13th ___ 98 ____ #13 DFH| LONT
14th ___ 5 _____ #0 D.Galindo .WAV
15th ___ 0 _____ #44 [RTS] Klemen
16th ___ 0 _____ #028_Elliott

[finlay]

Lap 76, I had not notice of a full course yellow:shrug:.

Just a big BLUE FLAG Notice.

No problem with the penelty points, But as said in my race report, A Verbal warning on Vent For - Full course Yellow needs to be given!!!

[yankman]

I think if there is a full course yellow it should be in the middle of the screen and at list two times a normal message.

[finlay]

Yankman, It is for people that are on the lead lap. But the Blue flag message overrides it.

[LFSn00b]

17m30s | #666 | Goes reverse in pitlane | Warning For #666

Sorry, when did i drive wrong way on pit?


Lap 0 | #666 | Did not turn up on startI was not contacted that the server was back up.

[Fischfix]

the server wasn't down :) :shrug:

[yankman]

Yankman, It is for people that are on the lead lap. But the Blue flag message overrides it.


No, I am with u not against. I said if there is a fcy given out, there should be a message in the centre of the screen (like it is now) and at least two time as normal message (in the upper left of your screen). Clear now ?

[LFSn00b]

the server wasn't down :) :shrug:I lost connection after the quali, i tried to join about 30 mins, said "Host not found on Master Server" :shrug:

[Fischfix]

i could not do anything about it. as i was on the server, and as you can see in the results the otheres were on the server as well...

sorry, but ask the devs about that... :shrug: