22" Non-Widescreen? [Archive]

XCNuse

20th May 2007, 23:50

What black lines are you referring to?
Also, widescreen's size is the exact same, except in a different way. Widescreen is obviously wider and may seem smaller, but you have however much more width to put things instead of the height. A 4:3 22" screen would just mean it would be the same.

But nevermind that, you need to worry more about dot pitch and native resolution, because who wants something that is large but blurry to where you can't even read it.

Now that you've responded before me, those lines are just lines they have in movies, you can't get rid of it, thats just what they do, but if you want everything widescreen then.. buy a widescreen!
Still have no idea what you're on about those black lines with, that has nothing to do with monitors, its just a beyond 16:9 aspect movie, thats all, that has nothing to do with ... anything really.

dontsimon

20th May 2007, 23:51

Well if you get a non widescreen monitor, you'll have 'black bars' on your screen more often, not less.

The General Lee

21st May 2007, 00:13

So, I wont get those black lines in LFS...does LFS support Widescreen, do most games support widescreen.

No, this isnt 20 questions. :razz:

XCNuse

21st May 2007, 00:15

Every game made in the past like 5 years supports widescreen, in LFS you can see all the widescreen ones (hell haven't you seen any of the "I have 3 screens" threads???) just make sure you dont have "show only 4:3" checked, because they are all there.

Knight_Atack

21st May 2007, 00:16

Here's an approximate comparison of a standard & widescreen monitor. You get black bars on either one really.

(EDIT: And LFS will give more height visibility on standard, or more width visibility on widescreen (cause more wide)). Go with your taste and deskspace :))

Shotglass

21st May 2007, 00:54

So, what do you suggest? :D

:D
http://ded.zenblue.net/IMG_0658.jpg

So, I wont get those black lines in LFS...does LFS support Widescreen, do most games support widescreen.

lfs and most other games scale flawelessly to widescreen

geeman1

21st May 2007, 05:37

So, I wont get those black lines in LFS...does LFS support Widescreen, do most games support widescreen.Yes, most games do support widescreen. Here for more info on specific games. http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

PS. Overall I have heard bad things about 22" widescreen monitors. Better just get the 20" version (same resolution and usually better quality). Or if you have the money go for the 24".

Shotglass

21st May 2007, 05:48

PS. Overall I have heard bad things about 22" widescreen monitors. Better just get the 20" version (same resolution and usually better quality). Or if you have the money go for the 24".

definately ... afaik there isnt a single 22" va or ips panel on the market

Jakg

21st May 2007, 07:02

Shotglass

21st May 2007, 13:07

a 22" monitor is just a 20" monitor with bits on either side.

I was in the same position as you and VERY sceptical about widescreen, but the 22" Xerox widescreen sitting on my desk that cost me £187, and yet looks great, changed my mind :D

not trying to make you like your monitor less but can you find an eye position (thats not 10 meters away) from which a unicoloured screen (preferably light grey) actually looks unicoloured ? from my expirience with tns they always look different at the top if the colours are correct at the bottom and vice versa

Forbin

21st May 2007, 13:27

O/T:
:D
http://ded.zenblue.net/IMG_0658.jpg

Halo? Maybe you're not me afterall... Need a nice set of headphones, too. ;) (unless that's what the amorphous black blob is on top of the monitor)

http://www.headphones.co.il/store/products/New/Grado_SR125_b1.jpg

On-Topic:

I have the same monitor as Shotglass pictured above and I love it. The screen is approximately the same size as a 22" LCD and it looks wonderful. Never any ghosting, and flickering is not a problem. 1920x1200 @ 85Hz is simply wonderful. :)

Just be aware that it weighs 100 lbs / 45 kg.

Shotglass

21st May 2007, 13:45

O/T:

Halo? Maybe you're not me afterall... Need a nice set of headphones, too. ;) (unless that's what the amorphous black blob is on top of the monitor)

not my room just the first pic i could find that gives an idea of the monitors 55cm depth

1920x1200 @ 85Hz is simply wonderful. :)

lfs runs fine up to 2304*1440 btw although i dont use it since i frankly dont see the difference and my desktop res is 1920 on a monitor that tbh takes ages to recalibrate to a different screen res

geeman1

21st May 2007, 13:59

a 22" monitor is just a 20" monitor with bits on either side.Not really, they have totally different panels for example. Depends on the monitor, but in general I have got the impression that 22" versions of the same monitors are lesser quality than the 20" version. Manufacturers probably use cheaper panels on the 22 inchers.

Forbin

21st May 2007, 14:36

not my room just the first pic i could find that gives an idea of the monitors 55cm depth

lfs runs fine up to 2304*1440 btw although i dont use it since i frankly dont see the difference and my desktop res is 1920 on a monitor that tbh takes ages to recalibrate to a different screen res
Ah, I see. I suppose the lack of a wheel should have tipped me off. I agree with regard to the max res, not a whole lot of difference between 1920x1200 and 2304x1440 in a game, especially with 4x AA.

Batterypark

21st May 2007, 14:41

not trying to make you like your monitor less but can you find an eye position (thats not 10 meters away) from which a unicoloured screen (preferably light grey) actually looks unicoloured ? from my expirience with tns they always look different at the top if the colours are correct at the bottom and vice versa

I just tried it with my cheap-ass Mirai 22" TN panel. There probably was some distortion at the top, but nothing that would bother me - I don't do any professional image editing anyway. In regular desktop use it definitely will not bother me, and the light bleeding at the top and bottom of the monitor... well, it would only matter in some movies and games, and that's when the action is in the center of the screen anyway. The light bleeding is certainly noticeable in dark conditions, but switching from a rather good 19" CRT it certainly doesn't bother me.

Shotglass

21st May 2007, 14:57

I just tried it with my cheap-ass Mirai 22" TN panel. There probably was some distortion at the top, but nothing that would bother me - I don't do any professional image editing anyway. In regular desktop use it definitely will not bother me

i suppose its down to what youre preferences are but with the cheapish samsung 19" tn i had here for a few days i had a different gray on the top of my mirc window and at the bottom of my taskbar all the time which i found incredibly annoying ... additionally i move a lot on my chair when im on the pc so any monitor for me has to have at least 30° of unnoticeable colour and constrast change which you wont find on any tn for sure
also one thing tns do a lot is that weird shine in dark movie scenes ... although i dont know if its any better with ips or va ones

Jakg

21st May 2007, 15:19

not trying to make you like your monitor less but can you find an eye position (thats not 10 meters away) from which a unicoloured screen (preferably light grey) actually looks unicoloured ? from my expirience with tns they always look different at the top if the colours are correct at the bottom and vice versai understand - i've never seen a "top quality" monitor, but this thing beats anything i've ever used beforeNot really, they have totally different panels for example. Depends on the monitor, but in general I have got the impression that 22" versions of the same monitors are lesser quality than the 20" version. Manufacturers probably use cheaper panels on the 22 inchers.i meant size-wise

Bob Smith

21st May 2007, 15:36

I've got 22" 4:3 monitors coming out of my ears. CRTs forever! :)

pb32000

21st May 2007, 21:27

Some facts: (and a few opinions)

Most games these days are widescreen compatible, a few require addition command lin parameters or other tweeks to get the to run in widescreen (BF2/2142 anyone?).

With a widescreen monitor you will see smaller black bars whilst watching a movie compared to a regular 4:3/5:4 monitor. The size of the bars depends on the aspect ratio of the recording.

Some tv programs, most noticably American shows, are still recorded/shown in 4:3, so if you use you PC monitor for watching tv, you will get veritcal black lines on either side with a widescreen monitor.

Most 22" LCDs us TN panels, more about these can be read here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD). These are essentially the cheapest and lowest quality type of panel.

My 20" Acer 2051W uses a PVA panel, with full 8bit colour support and a glossy coating. (And heres my opinion), it is one of the nicest LCDs I have ever seen, hence the reason I bought it. However at £350 new a few months ago, it was considerably more than a 22" panel.

In conclusion, widescreen is seen as the way to go these days :) You wont have any compatibilty issues, and personally I find them nicer to use than a large 4:3 ratio monitor :thumb:

DEVIL 007

21st May 2007, 21:48

Some facts: (and a few opinions)

Most games these days are widescreen compatible, a few require addition command lin parameters or other tweeks to get the to run in widescreen (BF2/2142 anyone?).

C:\Program Files\EA Games\Battlefield 2\BF2.exe" +menu 1 +widescreen 1 +szx 1920 +szy 1200

Btw the latest Samsunbg 226BW and LG 226WT are one of the best 22"LCD moniotrs even they use TNT matrix.TNT technology is moving quickly forward so I would not claiming something like TNT is shi* dont buy it.

If you want LCD for some semi/professional photo editing then its only way to go with S-IPS panels.The PVA panels has on the othewr way a disadvanatges showing a lot of noise in videos.TNT doesnt produce something like that nor S-IPS.There is every drawback in each of the LCD technology nowdays.TNT panels for example have advantages in response time.

geeman1

21st May 2007, 22:30

What's out or that TNT is gonna blow!

Seriously though: You are right, TN-panels aren't as bad as people on the Internet make it seem. Sure they have few drawbacks, but the lower price makes up for it and you can most certainly live with one.

StableX

22nd May 2007, 01:18

Can you get a half decent 22" monitor that isnt widescreen.

I dont want black bars on the screem for obvious reason, or is it not all that bad??

Cheers :thumb:

I have 2 22" monitors. I bought them both from ebay for £20 each at different times. Both still awesome. One is a mitsubishi Diamond Plus and the other a iiyama 22".

Look there. no widescreen!

Forbin

22nd May 2007, 02:47

@StableX: That avatar looks like something out of Doom. :eek:

wheel4hummer

22nd May 2007, 03:01

A 4:3 22" screen would just mean it would be the same.

Do they even make LCD computer monitors with a 4:3 aspect ratio?

pb32000

22nd May 2007, 09:11

Do they even make LCD computer monitors with a 4:3 aspect ratio?

800x600, 1024x768, 1600x1200... Yes, yes they do :tilt:

wheel4hummer

22nd May 2007, 12:49

800x600, 1024x768, 1600x1200... Yes, yes they do :tilt:

Well, none of the LCD monitors I've owned have been 4:3, but whatever.

Forbin

22nd May 2007, 13:20

I think it's much more common for an LCD monitor to be 5:4 than 4:3. This is the reason for the 1280x1024 resolution, the 5:4 counterpart to 1280x960.

geeman1

22nd May 2007, 13:32

I think it's much more common for an LCD monitor to be 5:4 than 4:3. This is the reason for the 1280x1024 resolution, the 5:4 counterpart to 1280x960.The 1280x1024 has always been the resolution between 1024x768 and 1600x1200. Originally it was somekind of memory reason why it was used instead of 1280x960. Anyway it has been the standard resolution for ages and it has been used in 4:3 CRTs too, even though the image is a bit distorted that way. As it was the standard it was used in 17" and 19" LCDs and as LCDs have perfectly square pixels so the physical monitor had to be 5:4 too. Choosing a 5:4 resolution and shape has nothing to do with LCD technology.

Forbin

22nd May 2007, 13:49

I mentioned nothing to the effect of 5:4 having to do with LCD technology or vice versa, only that it seemed to be a very common LCD shape. Browsing a list of non-widescreen LCD's, I see there are in fact a lot of 4:3 LCD's with resolutions such as 1024x768, 1600x1200, and even the very odd 1400x1050 (although the relation to 1680x1050 is pretty clear).

geeman1

22nd May 2007, 13:59

I mentioned nothing to the effect of 5:4 having to do with LCD technology or vice versa, only that it seemed to be a very common LCD shape.No surprise there. 17" and 19" LCDs are 5:4 and they are both popular because when they appeared on the market when LCD was out of the early adopters era and everyone started to have one. They have been the mainstream monitor for a few years now and only now they have started to phase out with introduction of widescreen monitors (19-22" mainly). So no wonder they are common when 90% of monitors sold were one of those for few years :)

There seemed just to be a misunderstanding that LCDs were the reason for 1280x1024 instead of the other way around.

J.B.

22nd May 2007, 14:05

Another thing to watch out for. Hardly any of the widescreen screens I've looked at had any kind of Aspect Ratio control. That means that if you feed it anything other than 1680x1050 the image will be stretched and distorted to fullscreen without you being able to influence it. So if you plan to play games that don't support 16:10 or want to connect 16:9 devices to your screen (PS3, HDTV box, HD-DVD player etc.) you need to make sure the screen has AR control.

Dell screens have AR control and does quite decent scaling so you can even use non-native resolutions for games that suffer in terms of fps. And (most of them) don't use TN panels.

geeman1

22nd May 2007, 14:10

If the monitor has a DVI connector the scaling can be controlled from the GPU drivers. You can set a fixed aspect ratio scaling (no distortion, but black bars), full screen scaling (the usual way), no scaling (the picture uses only the center pixels (black stuff all over) and the scaling can be done at the software end so the resolution is scaled before it goes to the monitor (the results are much much better).
I don't know about the situation with ATI GPUs, but Nvidia supports this, except the support was broken a while go (97.xx drivers IIRC) and I don't know if it has been fixed in the newer drivers.

J.B.

22nd May 2007, 14:19

ATI doesn't support it AFAIK.

pb32000

22nd May 2007, 14:22

17" and 19" (with a resolution of 1280x1024) LCD monitors are 5:4. Most if not all other non-widescreen LCDs are 4:3.

edit: Whoa didnt realise there was a 2nd page.

The point about scaling is an important one, especially if you play to use an input other than dvi. Tbh I used to play most newer games at 1280x1024 with my old 6600GT, and let it scale, but you dont really want to be doing that, luckily my new 8800 can play anything at 1680x1050 lol.

I've always like the higher spec Dell LCDs, they are quite expensive but pack so many features they are well worth it. Might consider an 24" Dell in September - student loan time :P

Renku

22nd May 2007, 14:40

4:3 FTW.
Don't know about 22", but I wouldn't say not to ViewSonic 21" LCD VP2130B (http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/proseries/vp2130b/).
It doesn't help, that it costs $878 USD here, not that I would have $686 :schwitz:.

Hyperactive

22nd May 2007, 15:44

Sorry for "OT" but how do I find what what kind of panel my flatty has?
my lcd (http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VP2030b-20-1-LCD-Monitor-Black/dp/tech-data/B000BR39N2/ref=de_a_smtd/102-7590826-5073720?ie=UTF8&qid=1179848438&sr=1-1)
Viewsonic VP2030b

EDIT: found it already P-MVA. Foudn this too: http://lcdresource.com/tools/matrix-of-all-matrices.htm

geeman1

22nd May 2007, 15:51

Sorry for "OT" but how do I find what what kind of panel my flatty has?
my lcd (http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VP2030b-20-1-LCD-Monitor-Black/dp/tech-data/B000BR39N2/ref=de_a_smtd/102-7590826-5073720?ie=UTF8&qid=1179848438&sr=1-1)
Viewsonic VP2030b

A link will do :shy:
http://www.flatpanels.dk/skaerme.php Site is in danish, but there is not much you need to know. Just input your monitor in the "Søg efter" field and press Søg.