TEST Patch W26

[Scawen]

WARNING 1 : THIS IS A TEST

WARNING 2 : SKINS ARE CONVERTED THE FIRST TIME YOU RUN THE TEST PATCH - IT TAKES 2 MINUTES OR SO

Hello Racers.

Here is a new test patch W26. Please see the list of changes below.

Here is some information about the major changes in this series of test patches :

- Most notably, the number of cars in a race has increased to 32.
- Also, false starts are now possible (LFS does not hold you at the start line - you must make your car go)
- Skin improvements including high resolution premium skin download service

There are various improvements related to skins including the option to download high resolution skins while online, for a small charge of £1 for 2000 downloads. The low resolution downloads are still free. We have to charge for the downloading of high resolution skins because of the increased bandwidth and the need to buy and maintain more internet servers for LFS online usage which is always increasing. Please note, we are not selling skins. The skins remain the property of their owners. Your copy is a high resolution compressed version of the original. This is a charge purely for the downloading service which allows you to see other cars' skins in higher resolution.

Downloaded skins are now always saved and shown in compressed form. The original jpg is not saved on other computers. This allows the best use of memory and the quickest load from disk.

To use your own jpg skins, or to view skins that you manually download, save them into your skins folder - you will then find them selectable in game, just as before. You can see your manually downloaded skins compressed or not compressed according to the option for local skins. There are now 4 skins folders but you can ignore them all, just forget about them and just use the skins folder as usual.

skins : you save jpg skins that you want to select in game
skins_dds : lfs uses this to store dds (compressed) versions of your local skins
skins_x : lfs stores automatically downloaded low res skins
skins_y : lfs stores automatically downloaded high res skins

NOTE : SKINS ARE CONVERTED ON THE FIRST RUN OF THIS TEST PATCH - THAT MAY TAKE 2 MINUTES OR SO

If you want to use this service, you can make a payment at www.lfsworld.net or at the main site https://www.liveforspeed.net/?page=shop

To deal with the increased memory usage, there is also a skin purging system which removes unneeded skins from your graphics card memory, some time after they were last used. You can see the list of skins in use in the Misc Options screen. White means the skin is actually in use. Black means it was recently used and is hanging around a while in case it is used again (to avoid a disc access). In the past, LFS just left all skins in memory until you changed track or weather.

Changes in TEST PATCH W26 :

FIX : MP Replays could not be played back at all
FIX : Repeated messages when AI are trying to reset

Changes in TEST PATCH W25 :

Now supporting TrackIR with 6 degrees of freedom
Button look is now added to the yaw output of TrackIR
Automatic unpause when starting or restarting a replay
Ignition key "I" is now assignable to any key or button
Pit instructions fuel load can now be adjusted in 1% steps
Pit instructions and live settings now work in single player
SHIFT+G gear shift selection no longer stops replay recording

InSim :

Admins can now use the IS_REO (race reorder) packet
New packet IS_MSX - allows typing of longer messages
New packet IS_MSL - output a message on local computer

FIXES :

SPR with pit stop would often go out of sync at the pit stop
SPR with different help flags could go OOS when changing view
If reset allowed - driving out of bounds results in safe reset
AI drivers reset now safe - no reset if it could cause a crash

Changes from W to W24 :

Multiplayer :

Up to 47 guests can connect to a host
Max cars in multiplayer race increased to 32
In demo still only 12 racing but up to 15 can connect
Car is no longer held at start line - false starts possible
Start lights time between red and green is changed each race
Avoided most of the "Can't x - a player is connecting" messages
Implemented a new "canreset" option while leaving hotlaps valid
Automatic spectate if you drive out of bounds when reset not allowed
Global handicaps for class balancing (set by master server)
Remote car's handicap shown in F11 menu, tyres in F12 menu
Grid reordering is now done on end race as well as restart
Kick and ban votes are held open a little longer

Racing :

Start and pit fuel loads range from 1% to 100%
Qualifying sessions now start from the pit lane
Qualifying out lap is no longer counted as a valid lap
Single player now allows up to 20 ai cars (powerful pc)
New voluntary handicap system in pits (part of setup)
Added preload setting to clutch pack differentials

Display :

Small map colours can be changed : Options-Display-Interface
Small map cars more than one lap ahead are a different colour
Automatic show results - leaves small map visible when driving
Hide / show results removed from options - now available on CTRL+TAB
Timing info is show in yellow after winner crosses line or time over
Yellow finished message is no longer duplicated in central text
Connection bars are not drawn if they would obscure tyre info
Qualifying cars on out lap are drawn orange (others yellow)
Qualifying position is shown in yellow like race position
Added text on screen showing the reason for a penalty
Display option : Virtual steering gauge
Display option : Rotate small map

Interface :

Added button to spectate from garage
Scroll though autocross results with PgUp / PgDn
SHIFT+P now enters garage from game setup screen
SHIFT+O now enters options when watching a SP replay
New keys SHIFT+S (spectate) and SHIFT+P (go to pits)
Removed the sound effect of a racer pitting or spectating
Escape menu improvements : can use keys (listed on screen)
Race control message now has priority over wrong way message
Wider FOV and more view pitch available (for extreme settings)
Filter added to list of games to avoid hosts which allow reset
Place objects is now switched off when entering race or qualifying
FIX : Start restriction countdown was missing from OK button in pits
FIX : Q / X / ESC / ENTER keys did not exit from pits if player in race

Skins :

Replay skins download screen new "always" and "never" options
High res premium skin download system (£1 for 2000 downloads)
System to purge skins from graphics card memory when not used
Skin download and preload during connection after loading track
Improved the "new colours" system - combined with skin selection
Skins in skins folder are not converted to dds if using full skins

InSim :

New version of InSim allows up to eight TCP or UDP connections
More race tracking info and many packets added (see InSim.txt)
More commands now work on AI drivers : /spec /pitlane /p_xxx
More commands work even if player joining e.g. /spec /laps
New /i command to send a message to a race control program
Race penalty can now be removed with /p_clear command
Send all players to their pits with /pit_all command

System :

Removed the option not to use HVS if it is available
Better messages showing the reason for disconnection
Admins can now edit and /axsave layouts while online
Admin ban dialog now asks for a number of days to ban
Admins can now see other admins in list of connections
Added short track name to SPR, MPR and RAF file formats
Added handicap mass and restriction to hotlap file header
Increased maximum physics objects due to more cars on track
Start grid remains when track or config changes (if possible)
FIX : Removed the need to pass a split after receiving admin penalty
FIX : The TAB key did not work with /press /ctrl and /shift commands
FIX : Autocross checkpoints in line could cause rapid lap count bug
FIX : Path followers were reset when an object was added or removed
FIX : Path follower reset caused a glitch or an out of bounds reset
FIX : Some objects were not drawn after exiting pits while paused
FIX : Start lights were not shown in some of the training lessons
FIX : Autocross layout number of laps sometimes did not load
FIX : Message "NETWORK FATAL : NOTSOCK" when joining a host
FIX : Find user in S2 mode looking for racer on S1 host
FIX : Occasional crash when exiting from List of Games

DOWNLOAD :

PATCH (Version W must already be installed) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_TEST_W26.exe

ZIP VERSION (If you prefer a zip file) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_TEST_W26.zip

DEDICATED HOST (for hosting only) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_S2_DEDI_W26.zip

[Rocabiliz]

whoa!! w26? already?? thanks scawen!! :tilt:

[Scawen]

Yes, just a couple of fixes, I couldn't leave it without MP Replays working and I knew that would be a quick fix.

Right, now... it's my day off coding! :)

[ussbeethoven]

My W24 replays are now running with W26, thanks.

[mikey_G]

It solved the mpr problem for me, but I still can't view my spr that i made on w25 (I get a pop up saying "Track start positions do not match").
spr is attached.

When trying to make a new spr i noticed weird behaviour which i noticed last night as well.
When I save a replay, it wants to immediately view it but I can't use any of the controls (tab, v, whatever). I'm definitely in the replay (seeing as I can't enter the controller menu), but i cant do anything.
The most weird thing about it is that I can still fast forward beyond to what i have recorded (replay was 1 minute, but i can view further).
This was a qualifying session in single player btw.

[brads82]

It solved the mpr problem for me, but I still can't view my spr that i made on w25 (I get a pop up saying "Track start positions do not match").
spr is attached.

When trying to make a new spr i noticed weird behaviour which i noticed last night as well.
When I save a replay, it wants to immediately view it but I can't use any of the controls (tab, v, whatever). I'm definitely in the replay (seeing as I can't enter the controller menu), but i cant do anything.
The most weird thing about it is that I can still fast forward beyond to what i have recorded (replay was 1 minute, but i can view further).
This was a qualifying session in single player btw.

Just taking a stab in the dark here but would that be because of W25 having problems and now the code is changed so anything made in W25 would now be obsolete :shrug: ......

[Kid222]

MPR's working again, thanks Scawen!:thumb:

[Davo]

I just joined a W23 server and when speccing someone in an FZR their handicap said 100kg even though in the pits it says the handicap is only 80kg. The XRR handicap was 40kg while speccing so it was correct.

[mikey_G]

Just taking a stab in the dark here but would that be because of W25 having problems and now the code is changed so anything made in W25 would now be obsolete :shrug: ......
indeed, just tried to do it with w26 and I had the same problem. No surprise there as there were no changes to the code regarding single player mode.

[andy_bonjon]

Pit instructions and live settings now work in single player

Thank you for this change!!! Makes testing for league races so much easier for me! :thumb:

Keep up the good work!

[DEVIL 007]

What is the status of the handicap ?
I mean the value for each car?

[Mike85]

I do hope the handicap is optional and not hard-coded. Sorry for offtopic.

[kompa]

If you join a server with network debugging ON (SHIFT-F8) you should see the handicap values.

[geeman1]

I just joined a W23 server and when speccing someone in an FZR their handicap said 100kg even though in the pits it says the handicap is only 80kg. The XRR handicap was 40kg while speccing so it was correct.My guess is that the FZR drivers setup had 100kg handicap on it. Maybe for offline practice or something like that. The driver just forgot or didn't know that the handicap got reduced and thus was driving with 100kg.

[Scawen]

It solved the mpr problem for me, but I still can't view my spr that i made on w25 (I get a pop up saying "Track start positions do not match").
spr is attached.

When trying to make a new spr i noticed weird behaviour which i noticed last night as well.
When I save a replay, it wants to immediately view it but I can't use any of the controls (tab, v, whatever). I'm definitely in the replay (seeing as I can't enter the controller menu), but i cant do anything.
The most weird thing about it is that I can still fast forward beyond to what i have recorded (replay was 1 minute, but i can view further).
This was a qualifying session in single player btw.Thanks. I've tested and it seems that qualifying sessions in single player do not make valid SP Replays.

[Bob Smith]

Surely a day off from coding means you can leave the forums well alone as well? Enjoy your day off, dammit! :p

[faster111]

Surely a day off from coding means you can leave the forums well alone as well? Enjoy your day off, dammit! :p
eh well maybe a day off coding don't mean a day off the forum i mean who's going check for the bugs reports from us. He will lose track of bugs ect.

[SpikeyMarcoD]

Well the bugs will be there if he gets back... i am afraid

[avellis]

Just upgraded to W26 dedicated host.

Note that lfsworld and live_progress script display the host as "W17".

E.g. http://www.lfsworld.net/pubstat/live_progress.php?host=%5Bnoobs%5D+meow+%28iB%29

Dunno if it's related to master server settings or if it's any harmful at all. Just a heads up.

Edit: Fixed within seconds after I posted this. :-OOOO

[faster111]

MMMM right i can turn my wheel left and right but when i press down on my gas peddle it don't work ever since i put patch 26 on now on other games it works but when i try lfs patch w and higher it don't save my buttons how i set them up but when i go back on lfs the buttons i set up went back to my old buttons now my peddles do work and there pluged in its just lfs.

[garph]

MMMM right i can turn my wheel left and right but when i press down on my gas peddle it don't work ever since i put patch 26 on now on other games it works but when i try lfs patch w and higher it don't save my buttons how i set them up but when i go back on lfs the buttons i set up went back to my old buttons now my peddles do work and there pluged in its just lfs.
Recalibrate :shrug:

[faster111]

Recalibrate :shrug:

Thank god i remember stotty telling me the axis it works now.

[The Stig PL]

OOS Error when watching replay with car that have voluntary added mass

[Scawen]

OOS Error when watching replay with car that have voluntary added massThanks, yes I see this happens if you press 1 while racing, but if you then watch the replay from the replay menu, it works the first time then goes wrong when it loops.

[DEVIL 007]

And yet again, it has managed to fix itself without any reasonable explanation. Very odd.

This has happened to me each time I've installed the latest test patches now.
The Alt-tab thingy is Windows issue not LFS directly.
NVIDIA nor ATI dont recomend using ALT-TAB when you want to minimeze game.They said its Windows issue and I never heard Micorosft would say something against it.

I had same issue with other games as well.Nothing new.Sometimes the ALT-TAB work weird in windows.

[geezer45]

Hope you enjoyed your day off mate, you deserve it more than anyone I know :D

[BuddhaBing]

Scawen, in the W25 test thread, you asked if I could provide an SPR and a screenshot showing the AI reset deadlock issue I had mentioned. If you still want them, they're in the attached zip archive. The archive also contains a readme describing what to look for in the replay. If you need additional information, just ask.

[kamo2000]

Didn't saw anything about this one( if it was mentioned sry):
Pb on drag raaces does not count...even when i made one lfsw don't give me any message....i don't know when this happend(which patch) but it's a bug right?

Tried with two cars and it's not working...maybe something with 1st lap being 1 h ? but it's a race not qual ....

edit: deleted one time and tried to make new pb and it still don't count it...now i'm out of 950 combo club because of this :(

[Burnzoire]

probably isn't really a valid 'bug', but with trackir 6dof, the in-car view really needs shadows enabled - can this be a menu option? That would rock :)

[Scawen]

Scawen, in the W25 test thread, you asked if I could provide an SPR and a screenshot showing the AI reset deadlock issue I had mentioned. If you still want them, they're in the attached zip archive. The archive also contains a readme describing what to look for in the replay. If you need additional information, just ask.Thanks for that replay. The first incident really made me laugh because the AI looked so stupid.

I see that one major part of the problem is they shouldn't really be trying to reset. They want to reset because their car is damaged. So... what they should do in that case - when they would like to reset but can't because other cars are too close - they should just try to manoeuvre out of the situation, by reversing in the normal way. It's just that at the moment, they insist on trying to reset and they won't try anything to else to get out of the situation they are stuck in.

[mxpxun]

:D scawen can u made that AI wouldnt try to reset but they would go to pit (i mean not presing shift + p , but drive in pit, i think it would be cool)

[Locovich]

Is there a possibility to have the Lfs Spectator working with W26? i don´t know if is a matter of Scawen or the developers of the spectator...:scratchch

Thanks...

[Robster230]

I'm frankly loving W at the moment, the proper starts have really made the game even better for me!

I'd love an option to disable the AI Repair though as my broadband goes down more than a tarts knickers :) But I appreciate the priority is on the online details and the other more important aspects.

Roll on W27 ;)

[Widdowmaker]

Dont know if this is a bug - but Ive attached the replay -

10 lap race - Dead man Racing server on W26 - Last night approx 10 pm?

Im running almost a full lap behind the leader - they all cross the line - then I do in something like 14th Place - The results clear and Im given as the winner of the race? The End Questioned it, so did I.

Never seen this happen before - Has the server admin just reset the race to restart - then canx the restart?

Very strange - thought Id just post it - sorry for wastin time.

|Cant post replay as file size to large even after compression. If anyone wants to investigate - Pm me and Ill mail them the mpr.

[kamo2000]

Regarding my "little" problem on top of this page.. Tried with patch W and it's still not counting pb's on drag...must be something with master....i don't know :(

[geeman1]

Regarding my "little" problem on top of this page.. Tried with patch W and it's still not counting pb's on drag...must be something with master....i don't know :(Probably something to do with the false-start-not-counting-as-pb changes. That may have broken the pb thing even if you don't do a false start.

[Victor]

Regarding my "little" problem on top of this page.. Tried with patch W and it's still not counting pb's on drag...must be something with master....i don't know :(

i just tried it myself and works fine here

we could meet on a host to see what happens in your case I guess.

and, this may sound stupid, but you're not in practise mode are you?

[Vain]

Hello.
I found an oddity in the connection list.
The "24h Train #01" server (W23) runs in practice mode on Ky GP Rev for quite a while now. The details screen reports it as a 214 laps race. I went to the server to confirm that it actually is in practice mode. I was using W26 to capture the screenshot.

Wether or not it's caused by the testpatches it's something that should be fixed, isn't it?

Vain

[kamo2000]

i just tried it myself and works fine here

we could meet on a host to see what happens in your case I guess.

and, this may sound stupid, but you're not in practise mode are you?

Nope- i was trying this with my teammate on my own server..other pb's were counted(on other tracks) except drag ones - and btw it didn't worked for him too...so Anytime You want = i'll be there :)

to be 10000% sure i'm gonna try it once again and edit this post.

EDIT: still nothing..got replay of that.

[Victor]

go online now, i'll meet you there

[dawesdust_12]

Hello.
I found an oddity in the connection list.
The "24h Train #01" server (W23) runs in practice mode on Ky GP Rev for quite a while now. The details screen reports it as a 214 laps race. I went to the server to confirm that it actually is in practice mode. I was using W26 to capture the screenshot.

Wether or not it's caused by the testpatches it's something that should be fixed, isn't it?

Vain

Vain, it's actually set to a race distance of 24 hours.

[kamo2000]

Problem GONE.
Victor joined my server and fixed the problem in less than 5 mins.

Im out of words for the great job He's doing.

Thank You :thumb:

[dawesdust_12]

WE :heart: VICTOR!


:p

[Vain]

Vain, it's actually set to a race distance of 24 hours.Thanks for that. I only knew what the people on the server told me.

Vain

[11SuLLy11]

Hi guy's I never downloaded a patch yet,always waited till auto download,could someone give me a quick guide?.

thanks

Kevin

[Doorman]

Dont know if this is a bug - but Ive attached the replay -

10 lap race - Dead man Racing server on W26 - Last night approx 10 pm?

Im running almost a full lap behind the leader - they all cross the line - then I do in something like 14th Place - The results clear and Im given as the winner of the race? The End Questioned it, so did I.

Never seen this happen before - Has the server admin just reset the race to restart - then canx the restart?

Very strange - thought Id just post it - sorry for wastin time.

|Cant post replay as file size to large even after compression. If anyone wants to investigate - Pm me and Ill mail them the mpr.

No the server admin didn't reset anything. We were all as amazed as you! One minute a full results list, the next, you were the sole survivor. I thought I pressed a button by mistake.

[Widdowmaker]

http://www.atcteam.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=96&d=1179783964

File hosted here - due to limits set on this Forum.

This is the replay that shows the possible bug - FF replay to Last lap.

[Team OMNI(R)-John]

any idea when patch x is coming out?:really:

[AndroidXP]

The current plan is 1st of June.

[funkdancer]

Just quickly chipping in a thanks for the 6DOF support, Scawen. It works flawlessly; tried W26 in league races last night, just adds another dimension of immersion really! :)

[Dj-Aeri]

I don't know anyone's noticed that before but I have "minifreezes" when AI cars passes through the finnish line.

I'll noticed that since the firsts W test patches and it's very annoying.

I suppose that it will be a bug, no?

[detail]

It happened all the time (before this patch) on long circuits (FE Black, KY GP Long). When they pass the finish line, LFS stores their knowledge in memory.

[askoff]

Hi guy's I never downloaded a patch yet,always waited till auto download,could someone give me a quick guide?.
Open the first post of this thread here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=428079#post428079).
Click the patch link there and download the LFS_TEST_W26.exe into your LFS directory. When the download is finished, just run it and click the Execute button. When it asks to overwrite some files click Yes to All. After that, you are ready to go.

[Burnzoire]

even better:
1) copy your LFS folder and rename it to something like "LFS test patch"
2) download the zip file at the start of this thread and open it
3) drag/copy all files from the zip into your new folder, overwriting anything (you won't lose anything, and you're backed up now anyway)

I just like to use the zip file as you have more control over where things go... many people mis-use the exe file archive.

[Dj-Aeri]

It happened all the time (before this patch) on long circuits (FE Black, KY GP Long). When they pass the finish line, LFS stores their knowledge in memory.

Not for me, never before the last patches. I'm completely sure cause normally i'm allways playing LFS offline. :shrug:

[nikimere]

Could someone point me in the direction of the max cars allowed on each track (particularly FE Black)? I did a search but it didn't return much....

[alxf1]

1. I'm getting a mini lag when someone exits the pits(joins the race)

2. I've wrote about helmet skins, I didn't get that working. If I copy any helmet skin to the skins directory (lets say I just copy default HEL_BF1_NH.jpg to HEL_alx.jpg) and when I run LFS, going to options, player, click to select the helmet skin... and the new skin is not in that list...
This doesn't happen with car skins...

[Scawen]

1. I'm getting a mini lag when someone exits the pits(joins the race)

2. I've wrote about helmet skins, I didn't get that working. If I copy any helmet skin to the skins directory (lets say I just copy default HEL_BF1_NH.jpg to HEL_alx.jpg) and when I run LFS, going to options, player, click to select the helmet skin... and the new skin is not in that list...
This doesn't happen with car skins...It seems to work for me. I tried exactly what you said and saw the skin when I clicked on the helmet skin selection button.

What is your setting for "Car and helmet skins" in Graphics Options?

[nikimere]

Could someone point me in the direction of the max cars allowed on each track (particularly FE Black)? I did a search but it didn't return much....
err.. anyone?

[geeman1]

err.. anyone?32 on all other tracks, except So Sprint 1&2 and FE RX Green. Maybe AS Cadet too, I am not sure about that.

[nikimere]

32 on all other tracks, except So Sprint 1&2 and FE RX Green. Maybe AS Cadet too, I am not sure about that.
Thanks for the reply. Would be nice if we could get figures from Scawen with max number of cars allowed on each track.

[felplacerad]

Try adding 20 AIs, if you can't-well then there you go.

[nikimere]

Try adding 20 AIs, if you can't-well then there you go.
Don't think that works. I already tied adding 32 AI's to FE Black and i could only add 19 or 20....

[alxf1]

It seems to work for me. I tried exactly what you said and saw the skin when I clicked on the helmet skin selection button.

What is your setting for "Car and helmet skins" in Graphics Options?

it was set to "Full", I've set it to compressed, restarted LFS, and I can see the skins now in the list. thanks.

[Scawen]

it was set to "Full", I've set it to compressed, restarted LFS, and I can see the skins now in the list. thanks.OK, I reproduced the bug as well - thanks - I've made a note and that should be fixed in the next test patch.

[Jakg]

Don't think that works. I already tied adding 32 AI's to FE Black and i could only add 19 or 20....you can only EVER add 22 AI's to a race - or 19 if your in-race

[nikimere]

you can only EVER add 22 AI's to a race - or 19 if your in-race
Ah right, thanks. Still waiting for some confirmation on how many car are allowed on each track... Scawen?
Did i miss it already posted somewhere?

[J.B.]

Pit instructions fuel load can now be adjusted in 1% steps


Could this be made optional? 1% steps are too small for quick adjustments during races and I would have to redo my scripts to change it back to 5%. ATM I map two wheel buttons to ctrl+F7 and ctrl+F8 whenever I go into the live menus and ctrl+f7 and ctrl+f8 are set to /press left and /press right by autoexec.lfs.

Come to think of it I would just have to create two new script files and set ctrl+f7 and ctrl+f8 to /run newfile. So not that much hassle after all but I'll just post this anyway, maybe it's interesting to someone.

[sinbad]

Could this be made optional? 1% steps are too small for quick adjustments during races

I agree. But really this was just an excuse to echo the request for an "Add X%" at pitstop option, then you wouldn't have to make the quick adjustments at all (if, for example, you decided to come in 3 laps early).

[Bob Smith]

But really this was just an excuse to echo the request for an "Add X%" at pitstop option, then you wouldn't have to make the quick adjustments at all (if, for example, you decided to come in 3 laps early).
Agreed, I would still really like to see this too.

/OT

[11SuLLy11]

Open the first post of this thread here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=428079#post428079).
Click the patch link there and download the LFS_TEST_W26.exe into your LFS directory. When the download is finished, just run it and click the Execute button. When it asks to overwrite some files click Yes to All. After that, you are ready to go.
will the auto download feature still work,or will i have to manual download all patch's from then on ?

[felplacerad]

will the auto download feature still work,or will i have to manual download all patch's from then on ?

Any official (non-test) patch will be installed automatically.

[11SuLLy11]

Any official (non-test) patch will be installed automatically.
Thank's should i get any bug's when downloading this ?

[felplacerad]

Anything you install from this TEST patch forum may corrupt your LFS installation. It is a forum for TEST patches, bugs are bound to be found. If you dare not risk it, don't install a test patch.

Though, most people get out alive.

[11SuLLy11]

Anything you install from this TEST patch forum may corrupt your LFS installation. It is a forum for TEST patches, bugs are bound to be found.

If you dare not risk it, don't install a test patch. Most people get out alive though.
Because i have league race tommorow and there on new patch,not sure what to do ?

[felplacerad]

Shouldn't you be having this discusssion with the league organizers then? If they're confident enough to organize an event using a test patch I guess the patch has proven to be rather stable / bug free.

[11SuLLy11]

Shouldn't you be having this discusssion with the league organizers then? If they're confident enough to organize an event using a test patch I guess the patch has proven to be rather stable / bug free.
Thanks mate,last question will i still be able to go onto the last patch's servers ?

[U4IK ST8]

Because i have league race tommorow and there on new patch,not sure what to do ?
This is what I have done. Make a copy of your LFS folder and use the copied folder for test patches, that way you'll still have a compatible LFS.exe to use.

EDIT: No, you can't race on patch W servers with this W26 patch.

[11SuLLy11]

This is what I have done. Make a copy of your LFS folder and use the copied folder for test patches, that way you'll still have a compatible LFS.exe to use.

EDIT: No, you can't race on patch W servers with this W26 patch.
kk,just downloaded it,sais 5216 skins being converted, approx 35 mins ?

[U4IK ST8]

kk,just downloaded it,sais 5216 skins being converted, approx 35 mins ?

Yeah, it does that first time you run the patched LFS.

[11SuLLy11]

Yeah, it does that first time you run the patched LFS.
OK cool :Dand when is this patch due ?

[U4IK ST8]

OK cool :Dand when is this patch due ?
Ehh, I think we should stop this little conversation, it's only for bug reports, this thread.;):shy:

Look around the forum, or search for patch X, you should find alot of threads/posts about it.:thumb:

[11SuLLy11]

Ehh, I think we should stop this little conversation, it's only for bug reports, this thread.;):shy:

Look around the forum, or search for patch X, you should find alot of threads/posts about it.:thumb:
Yes deffo,also will my auto update feature still work with this patch ? thanks

[felplacerad]

Yes deffo,also will my auto update feature still work with this patch ? thanks


YOU JUST ASKED ME THAT VERY QUESTION 10 MINUTES AGO!

[U4IK ST8]

You just asked a similar question and you got this answer.
Any official (non-test) patch will be installed automatically.

Stop spamming.:razz:

EDIT::ices_rofl

[Burnzoire]

Just curious, has anyone experienced a MASSIVE stutter spike in w26? It's been running beatuifully for me (stutters from previous patches resolved) but last night out of nowhere my LFS went completely nuts. I mean, it stuttered so bad that the sound chopped up heaps and I could see only 1 frame a second for about 5 or more seconds. My first thought was, uh oh something is loading in windows, but my hdd wasn't flashing crazy like it would be if that were the case. Also, as usualy with LFS stutters, my FPS counter did not lower at all (was around 80, according to FRAPS). After the 5 or so seconds it smoothed out a bit, but it was still a bit choppy so I immediately quit LFS and checked to see if anything was happening in windows. Nothing out of the ordinary, no AV activity, no popups, no active processes.

I was wondering if this has something to do with the new skin system? Is it possible that LFS tried converting a skin file (or something) whilst I was driving? I know it's meant to happen when you're idle, but is it at all possible that in rare circumstances it can happen when driving?

FYI I was on the 24h Training server.

ps: Sully - are you on riddilin?

[Boris Lozac]

Just curious, has anyone experienced a MASSIVE stutter spike in w26? It's been running beatuifully for me (stutters from previous patches resolved) but last night out of nowhere my LFS went completely nuts. I mean, it stuttered so bad that the sound chopped up heaps and I could see only 1 frame a second for about 5 or more seconds. My first thought was, uh oh something is loading in windows, but my hdd wasn't flashing crazy like it would be if that were the case. Also, as usualy with LFS stutters, my FPS counter did not lower at all (was around 80, according to FRAPS). After the 5 or so seconds it smoothed out a bit, but it was still a bit choppy so I immediately quit LFS and checked to see if anything was happening in windows. Nothing out of the ordinary, no AV activity, no popups, no active processes.

I was wondering if this has something to do with the new skin system? Is it possible that LFS tried converting a skin file (or something) whilst I was driving? I know it's meant to happen when you're idle, but is it at all possible that in rare circumstances it can happen when driving?

FYI I was on the 24h Training server.

ps: Sully - are you on riddilin?

This happened to me also the other day (i was on W24 though), most notably are the sound stutters, it's not frame drops or something like that, it's like someone is hiting the Pause button really fast, with sound stutters... i could finish the race, but it wasn't pleasent... This also happened maybe two times before also, not sure on what patch it was that, but it was long time ago..

[Venus]

This has been happening to me all day on 0.5W. All the same symptoms. Been happening all week really. I did notice something in task manager I don't know if its relevant. But the system idle Process had 93 under CPU. Not sure what that meant, but I felt it might be connected.

In another msg, Scawen mentioned if the cpu clock and the computer time clock are out of sync more than 5ms, LFS wouldn't be able to handle it. I had an error in my in manager (right click my computer, select manage), event manager, Applications, on W32time. This controls timer synchronisation. The error stated it was caused cause the time server was inaccessable. So I clicked on the taskbar clock, and chose a diffnt time server and updated it. Also in manager, click on services, and scroll down till you find Windows Time. Make sure its set to automatic and its started. I also did the acpi update driver. In a short test in MP in LFS, I didn't have any sign of stutter. Though I'll need to test it more thoroughly tomorrow when I have more time.

Not sure if the time server controls puter time and cpu clock sync or not. But it made sense given the error.

Venus

[EDIT] Ignore all the time stuff. It is the cause of the error, but for some wierd reason I don't understand, my system keeps getting synchronisation errors with the servers, and I get the same problem with my world time clock when I try to sync that. Unfortunately there's no way to add a new server to the list. The first server time.windows.com doesn't respond to a ping, while the second one does (in australia). Still, both fail synchronisation. Anyone else notice this?

Venus

[BigPete]

I'm still getting mini-pauses each and every time some1 enters/exits pits (have W26 installed). On small tracks with lots of cars this makes qualifying an absolute nightmare. My pings to the server I race on are excellent.

I'm also having serious problems with major lag/fps issues/whatever at race starts due to more cars being able to be on the track, this is especially the case when they all decide to run into each other and have a major accident - it's as though my pc is having a fit lol

Was previously getting 70-80 fps easy with User LOD set to 0.6 and minimal (if any) noticeable reduction in this at race starts. Shadows etc are all turned off and always have been.

Now I have the User LOD set to 0.4 and am using compressed skins and have turned off prettymuch everything I can think of and am still suffering badly at race starts.

Please can we have the pit entry/exit bug thingy fixed once and for all? It's been a problem since it was first noticed after a (test?) patch and subsequent reductions in this lag have done nothing for me at all.

Would also love to only have to be concerned with other drivers at race starts :)

[[TDRT] Spøgelset]

Just run some fast testing on the official W version.Massive stutter spikes,mini-pauses or sound stutters. It all happens to me as well when connected to any S1/S2 server but not on any demoserver ( where there isn´t any automatic skin exchange at all ) . Pls. others double-check.

[Burnzoire]

I'd like to add that my post was referring to a once-off MASSIVE freeze up. Please do not confuse with the usual stutters that make a race unpleasant, as they have been now fixed for me since w25. The problems by those who replied sound a bit different in my opinion.

[Razvan]

Maybe this has been discussed before.... (please forgive my ignorance if it has) but is there a way to increase the size of the blue,red,green pedals... ? I have a momo wheel and as u all know the pedals tend to act foolishly sometimes... and in earlier patches i was using the 3 pedals (in lfs) to find out if my pedals were acting up or not. The white edge showing maximum value helped alot, until the sizes of the pedals were reduced, and since i am running a rather high resolution, the white/green tends to blend in, and if you just take a glimpse you really cand make out the 2.

It seems i have been racing for white some time, with my accel pedal just shy of the maximum value, only today have i noticed (looking closely) that the white edge was not appearing. So is there any way of making them bigger?

[mxpxun]

hi, i wasdriving around the blackwood and just saw that : http://wiedras.jino-net.ru/kaka/wtf.JPG wtf is shouldnt look like that

[BuddhaBing]

Did you Alt-Tab out of LFS and then Alt-Tab back in? I sometimes get corrupted mirror textures when I do that.

[Boris Lozac]

Sorry for the suggestion in the test patch section, but wouldn't it be great if we must turn the engine On when starting qualifications? Since qualis are now realistic, starting from pits instead in the midle of the track, i thought it would be great if the engine is turned OFF automaticaly..

[pauliaK]

^^^
well, it's not the worst idea :nod:

[11SuLLy11]

When I go to change skins,it freezes for a few moment's,then a message appear's "You have lost connection to host" Is it a bug or something ?

[shiny_red_cobra]

Scawen I have a tiny tiny request. Can you make the list of players AND the F9-12 menus coexist on the screen? What I mean is the players list should be shown all the time, even when you open those menus. (Here's a screenie (http://www.students.yorku.ca/~adrianv/lfs/screenie.jpg).)

[Red.Eye]

Thanks for the TIR 6DOF... a nice bonus! Working fine.

[Bladerunner]

Sorry for the suggestion in the test patch section, but wouldn't it be great if we must turn the engine On when starting qualifications? Since qualis are now realistic, starting from pits instead in the midle of the track, i thought it would be great if the engine is turned OFF automaticaly..

+1.... BUT

We have already had people whining that the pit-lane speed limiter isn't on by default...imagine the furore if they actually had to start the car as well! (what's next btw? cant start a race until you check oil/water?)

[flinty72]

Scawen I have a tiny tiny request. Can you make the list of players AND the F9-12 menus coexist on the screen? What I mean is the players list should be shown all the time, even when you open those menus. (Here's a screenie (http://www.students.yorku.ca/%7Eadrianv/lfs/screenie.jpg).)
+1 & I would also like to have the ping bars visible at the some time as any of the F9-F12 keys are being used. Using W26 & in cockpit view the ping bars disappear if I have one of the funtions open & I can't seem to find a setting to get them back. :(

[rc10racer]

Got this crash while running lfs for the first time on vista. It crashed while lfs switched window trying to bring up the server list but it crashed before it started to search for servers.

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: LFS.exe
Application Version: 0.0.0.0
Application Timestamp: 46502502
Fault Module Name: d3d8.dll
Fault Module Version: 6.0.6000.16386
Fault Module Timestamp: 4549bcbf
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 0004c902
OS Version: 6.0.6000.2.0.0.256.1
Locale ID: 2057
Additional Information 1: 0fab
Additional Information 2: 6200f459bc6a36702bd9e7f764e0bb26
Additional Information 3: 124e
Additional Information 4: ae8d92e31c57bfd381f4235397a0b8a3

[Scawen]

When I go to change skins,it freezes for a few moment's,then a message appear's "You have lost connection to host" Is it a bug or something ?That sounds strange, seems like it's taking a long time, as if there are still skins waiting to be converted - but really that should only happen once - and it shouldn't take very long because it would only be if you added a new skin after starting LFS.

So I'm wondering, Could it be you have a corrupted skin in your skins folder, that LFS keeps trying (and failing) to convert? Could you try this : Go in LFS, click to select a skin (I guess it should pause a long time even in single player). After the long pause, have a look in CFG.txt and see what skin it was trying to convert (it's probably one of the last lines in the file). Now go into your skins folder and just try to open that skin (to see if it's a corrupted file).

[B][SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Got this crash while running lfs for the first time on vista. It crashed while lfs switched window trying to bring up the server list but it crashed before it started to search for servers.Hmm, that's bad. Crash address is in D3D8 so I can't really do anything with it. Does it work now that it's not the first time? And if it does work, does it work ok regardless of the windowed while connecting option?

And does it crash with a clean install of full version W + patch W26?

[rc10racer]

Hmm, that's bad. Crash address is in D3D8 so I can't really do anything with it. Does it work now that it's not the first time? And if it does work, does it work ok regardless of the windowed while connecting option?

And does it crash with a clean install of full version W + patch W26?

It works fine now, my guess is it was a one off fluke crash tbh.

It was not a clean copy, i got it from my xp hdd with has all my stuff and just copyed it over to vista and put TP26 on it for a server i wanted to go on.

[11SuLLy11]

That sounds strange, seems like it's taking a long time, as if there are still skins waiting to be converted - but really that should only happen once - and it shouldn't take very long because it would only be if you added a new skin after starting LFS.

So I'm wondering, Could it be you have a corrupted skin in your skins folder, that LFS keeps trying (and failing) to convert? Could you try this : Go in LFS, click to select a skin (I guess it should pause a long time even in single player). After the long pause, have a look in CFG.txt and see what skin it was trying to convert (it's probably one of the last lines in the file). Now go into your skins folder and just try to open that skin (to see if it's a corrupted file).

Hmm, that's bad. Crash address is in D3D8 so I can't really do anything with it. Does it work now that it's not the first time? And if it does work, does it work ok regardless of the windowed while connecting option?

And does it crash with a clean install of full version W + patch W26?
Yep,its sorted now I had an corrupted helmet skin in there:scratchch"HEL_halfordss cannot be found" and i deleted the skin and perfect now

thanks:D

[Boris Lozac]

+1.... BUT

We have already had people whining that the pit-lane speed limiter isn't on by default...imagine the furore if they actually had to start the car as well! (what's next btw? cant start a race until you check oil/water?)

But this sim shouldn't be pleasing "those" people, jeez, like we are talking about Wipeout here... :x They will wonder one time what is happening, then they would figure it out, just like they would get a "stop and go" once and the next time they will watch if the speed limiter is on or off... :really: i mean, c'mon, it's not brain science...
It would add some immersion i think, since there are places where we are really lacking it...
It would be a bit more closer to real races, qualis starts, you here engine after engine starting... I think we should really move forward to the realism, not away from it, that kind of thinking like: "but the noobs wouldn't be able to drive easily" is what is holding this sim down... :shrug:

[Scawen]

I won't be making the cars start with the engine off in qualifying for patch X.

I tried that the other day when I made the the cars start from the pits. But the starting sound effect isn't much good because the engine sort of starts instantly and you can hear that behind the starter motor sound. It needs a physics update to spin the engine up more slowly so it matches the start motor's rate of acceleration.

So, in short, I'm not interested in adding it while it makes people hear something that doesn't sound very good. I'm doubtful if it's a the best idea for the future anway, because remember LFS is about racing, not really all about pushing buttons in the right sequence. But please, let's not discuss that here any more. That is an improvement suggestion and as I've now said I'm not doing it for X at least, we shouldn't discuss it on the test patch any more. Thanks.

[Boris Lozac]

Ok, nice to know you are considering it, it makes sense not to implement it now... but it's not just the racing that matters, it's little things also, we might aswell be starting the race right in the middle of the T1 mayhem with the counter saying "prepare, it will unpause itself in 5, 4, 3, 2.. " :)

Sorry for bringing this in the test patch section... won't do it again...

[Venus]

Regarding the stutter. I'm not too sure its an LFS problem. I had no stutter problems with my lfs before my hdd blew up and I lost everything. After reinstall on diffnt hard disk. I have real problems with stutter; but it also exists in windows xp even when lfs isn't loaded. I get the same temporary freezing, the same sound stutters. Its exactly the same as it is in LFS. So I tend to think its a windows problem. Its being caused by something almost constantly accessing the hard drive; but there's nothing there. Even now its whirring away, and there's nothing loaded. I've set windows for performace, disabled all the visual helps, tried to fiddle with the virtual mem, but that doesn't help. I even tried getting my clock sync'd by making some registry changes to w32time in registry.

The only thing I can think of is its the swap file, but I have gobs of mem (786mb) and the swap file is only 1150mb. With nothing loaded, the hdd shouldn't be going mad. I did comp sci at uni, and I know this isnt' normal. So damned if I know, I'm just sure its not an LFS problem.

Venus

[BigPete]

Nup, not in my case anyway.

Had a hard drive fail a little while ago and replaced it with 2 x raptor drives in Raid 0 configuration. Also have 2GB RAM (dual channel). Stutter or mini-freeze or whatever you want to call it was present before and after this (but only since it first started appearing in the game).

I even used a fresh install of LFS when putting it on the new HDD's.


**edit**

Venus - I'd be running some sort of virus/spyware/etc scan if I was you :)

[FL!P]

In the command.txt file I got with this patch, there is the line:

/alt [num] [text] - change text e.g. "altf 1 bye"

In this line, "/alt" should be "/altf".

[JasonJ]

A minor bug. The /press i command doesn't respond. Pressing i on the keyboard works. I only just noticed this playing Patch W0 yesterday, but it is still apparent in W26.
For what its worth, commands like /press v , /press h , /press n do work so I know I am typing the command correctly.

Cheers. Sorry if its an old bug already reported. I couldn't find it elsewhere.

[11SuLLy11]

Is there anyway I can play the last official patch,I have downloaded w26 but no one is ever online,only 3 server's on as we speak,with only i person in each :shrug:

[Tomi]

Is there anyway I can play the last official patch,I have downloaded w26 but no one is ever online,only 3 server's on as we speak,with only i person in each :shrug:

stupid question. just download the LFS S2 "Patch W" release. You should have installed the test patch in a separate folder in the first place.

there are more than 3 hosts and people online all the time with the new patches. If you don't see them, verify you are not filtering the results and log in to lfsworld to compare the "in game" race list with the test patched hosts in LFS World.

[11SuLLy11]

Ok:shy:,I never put intot a seperate folder:(does that matter

P.S sorry for the stupid question's

[Scawen]

In the command.txt file I got with this patch, there is the line:

/alt [num] [text] - change text e.g. "altf 1 bye"

In this line, "/alt" should be "/altf".Thanks, fixed in my version.

A minor bug. The /press i command doesn't respond. Pressing i on the keyboard works. I only just noticed this playing Patch W0 yesterday, but it is still apparent in W26.
For what its worth, commands like /press v , /press h , /press n do work so I know I am typing the command correctly.

Cheers. Sorry if its an old bug already reported. I couldn't find it elsewhere.Because ignition is now an assignable button, it doesn't work any more with the /press command. Hopefully you don't need it to work with /press any more, because it's directly assignable to a wheel button.

[axus]

I recall trying to make a script at some point though, and needing to simulate some button presses that are assigned to commands. It didn't work so eventually I gave up, but if it's meant to be possible, I can take a look at it again and tell you exactly what wasn't working... :shrug: :)

[SpikeyMarcoD]

Is there anyway I can play the last official patch,I have downloaded w26 but no one is ever online,only 3 server's on as we speak,with only i person in each


stupid question. just download the LFS S2 "Patch W" release. You should have installed the test patch in a separate folder in the first place.

there are more than 3 hosts and people online all the time with the new patches. If you don't see them, verify you are not filtering the results and log in to lfsworld to compare the "in game" race list with the test patched hosts in LFS World.

W is official W26 is test, how obvious can ppl make it for them.

[Scawen]

Thanks for the feedback.

I've uploaded a new patch W31. The list of updates doesn't look very long but that's because the InSim button interface is quite a big thing that took some days. It will allow host control systems and local InSim programs do put buttons on your screen.

You will be able to switch buttons on or off by using the SHIFT+I (host buttons) or SHIFT+B (local buttons) keypresses.
But don't worry about that, you should be instructed how to use any program when you get there! :)

Changes in TEST PATCH W31 :

Command line command /player (start LFS with specified player name)
Startup skin conversion now shows progress and skin being converted
New command /wait (like /exec but LFS hangs until the program exits)
New InSim buttons system allowing better interface in InSim programs
Various other InSim updates - nearly all compatible with W26 InSim

FIX : Helmet jpg skins didn't appear in list in uncompressed skins mode
FIX : Damaged AI drivers could get stuck if two nearby wanted to reset
FIX : Single Player Replay of qualifying session did not work
FIX : Replay OOS error when using a voluntary handicap

W31 thread : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=24877