one way to kill an engine...

[dUmAsS]

http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=656D6E66-8317-4775-BDCF-14EF855BA56E&p=0

mabey lfs can be that good at engine damage sometime ;)

[deggis]

That's just incredibly smart.

[geeman1]

Damn murderers!!!

[96 GTS]

That's total, complete, and utter brilliance. He should get a medal for that.
It's also incredibly painful to watch, don't watch if you like RX-7s

[Shotglass]

they should be put in jail for the rest of their miserable lifes ...
but "dude your bumpers on fire" has got to be the best on-liner ive heard in a long time :)

[Gabkicks]

what did the poor car to deserve that?

[Vendetta]

My god i never realised how nice the sound of a damaged engine sounded in lfs. When watching the movie came on i wasnt on the page, and i thought i was listening to an lfs s1 movie :P

[Mikkel Petersen]

Sick ****ers - sorry for swearing, but I've never seen anyone that dumb, that's incredible how stupid people can be.
...

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

- Albert Einstein

[AndroidXP]

What an idiot.


He should do it again, though... in a closed garage.

[Anarchi-H]

Haha, the guy at the end made me laugh when he said "it stinks".
Geee, did he think toasting an engine would smell like roses or what :really:

[Gabkicks]

they were probably gonna get rid of the car anways so they just had some cruel fun with it before they did.

[deggis]

they were probably gonna get rid of the car anways so they just had some cruel fun with it before they did.
You mean they dumped the car to the junk yard or something? Why in the world they would have done that?

[TaiFong]

You mean they dumped the car to the junk yard or something? Why in the world they would have done that?

Maybe he was doing an engine replacement and that one had problems anyway. Nobody knows anything about the freakin video. I really doubt anyone would destroy an engine for shits and giggles.

[Krane]

Maybe he was doing an engine replacement and that one had problems anyway.Precisely. From the commentsExplanation
Submitted by dakpowers September 28, 2005 8:06 PM
I posted this... Just to let all of you know, the rear rotor had zero compression, and you had to push start it for it even to start up. There is a new built 13B in that first bay, waiting to go into it as soon as this ended.From the comments I found another rotary kill vid http://www.whodyautomotive.com/video/pop.wmv

[L(Oo)ney]

Why didnt they just take the engine out, and use it for spare parts/sell it?

Saying that though, you might aswell have a bit of fun if you are gonna kill it, like doing some burnouts/doughnuts ect, but no, not these guys. They just sit there and wait for it to blow up instead..

Class A retards.. :really:

[P5YcHoM4N]

mmmm, nothing like boiling dry an engine.

But that engine had more to offer, they only stopped because of the fire.

[Don Merino]

Regardless of why they did it and in how bad a condition the engine already was:

It almost made me cry.

[operator0]

The video is old. About two years old.

This is what I remember from the explenation I saw:

They had a newer updated moter, complete with turbo, that they were going to install. The motor you see in the vid is old with alot of miles on it. The cost to ship the motor compared to the cost of buying it makes it essentialy worthless. They could have made maybe $100 selling it. They figurerd that the fun of blowing it up was worth $100.

I would have done the same thing..oh wait...I have done the same thing. 2.7L BMW M20 motor with 250,000 miles on it. The car was getting an M50. Would have cost about $100 to ship the motor. I doubt I could have sold the motor for more than $200...if that. Blowing it up was lots of fun, easily worth the money lost.
I'm really surprised that some of you find this shocking. Isn't it worth $100 to do something fun like this?

[dUmAsS]

The video is old. About two years old.

This is what I remember from the explenation I saw:

They had a newer updated moter, complete with turbo, that they were going to install. The motor you see in the vid is old with alot of miles on it. The cost to ship the motor compared to the cost of buying it makes it essentialy worthless. They could have made maybe $100 selling it. They figurerd that the fun of blowing it up was worth $100


i was expecting an explanation like this :) was fun watching it

[ajp71]

wtf is the point in sitting there waiting for your engine to blow up, I can think of plenty of things I'd rather do with an old motor than sit there and wait for it to blow up.

[operator0]

wtf is the point in sitting there waiting for your engine to blow up, I can think of plenty of things I'd rather do with an old motor than sit there and wait for it to blow up.

If you have to ask, then you'll never understand. It's a car guy thing.

[Racer Y]

I'm really surprised that some of you find this shocking. Isn't it worth $100 to do something fun like this?

Well yes it is, only to somebody else's car... and when they're not suspecting it :)

[ajp71]

Well yes it is, only to somebody else's car... and when they're not suspecting it :)

It's not shocking just a completley pointless ricer thing like drifting and big spoilers :pillepall

[operator0]

It's not shocking just a completley pointless ricer thing like drifting and big spoilers :pillepall

Heh, did anyone else notice that he's passivley aggresively calling me a ricer? Like, I don't build race cars or something. Or, I don't spend 14 weekends a year at the track acting as crew chief for a race team that up until the car got wrecked last month, was in the lead for the North American class championship. That's funny.

[ajp71]

Not trying to call you a ricer, if that's what you do with your engines then suit yourself.

[operator0]

Not trying to call you a ricer, if that's what you do with your engines then suit yourself.

No, that's what I did with one worthless engine that was comming out of the car in a matter of hours anyway.

Let's do this. I'll ask you what you would have done with the motor instead? This will be multiple choice to make it easier on you. Ready? Ok:

If you had an obsolete, low powered, high milage motor that you could sell for $200 and that was comming out of the car in a matter of hours, would you:

A. Pull the motor, stash it in the corner of your crowded garage, pay for local advertisements in the paper for six months until you eventualy find a local buyer who would actualy want a high milage, obsolete, poor running motor for $200.

B. Advertise it on the internet, sell it for $200 minus transportation costs to ship it 1000 miles, all the while spend a few hours packing it in a crate and then hoping that the high milage, obsolete, poor running motor doesn't blow up in a few weeks so that that the new owner doesn't feel like you ripped him off and try to recoupe the money through legal recourse and/or ruin your Ebay rating.

C. Spend hours salvaging parts off the motor that have seen better days while trying to find space in your crowded garage to store them for that as yet incomprehensable day when you may possibly need that obsolete, over used crank (or insert your favorite over used, obsolete part) to fix a motor that would be better dealt with by sending it to the scrap yard and replacing it with something newer and better, or at the very least buying a remanufactured (like new) part.

D. Take it down to the scrap yard and get $50 dollars for it.

E. Spend $2 in gas, $6 in beer, sit back and watch it blow up, then take it down to the scrap yard and collect your $50.

Answere me that, Ace.

[Fonnybone]

I actually understand the car guys part, but mostly, i find it amazing how
long the damn rotors lasted. I never would have thought it would stay up there
for soooooooooo long. I bet you felt a bit dumb seeing the rear on fire though,
but that's ok, the freaking amazing flames were almost worth it. There's a bit
of jacka$$ in there alos i guess...

[ajp71]

I'd not read that the engine was of no use, having skimmed over the thread I thought it was an old, high mileage, but perfectly good RX7 engine that was still in working order. There's nothing wrong with blowing it up if there's no use for it, otherwise I would definatley have thought about implanting it into something or giving it away to someone that wants to.

[operator0]

I'd not read that the engine was of no use, having skimmed over the thread I thought it was an old, high mileage, but perfectly good RX7 engine that was still in working order. There's nothing wrong with blowing it up if there's no use for it, otherwise I would definatley have thought about implanting it into something or giving it away to someone that wants to.

I have no idea whether their engine was running properly or not. I was refering to the one I blew up for shits and giggles. My point is, even if it was a perfectly good running motor, which it sounds like in the video, it's still not of much value. No one wants a high milage, obsolete motor, even if it is running good. With that in mind, it's pretty ****ing cool to watch an internal combustion engine blow up in spectacular fashion. Yeah, it's not as fun as riding the badest roller coaster on the planet. But it sure beats the shit out of talking politics with your little sister.

That's all I'm saying.

[Matrixi]

Hurts my heart to watch a 13B go down in such a manner. I owned one of those FC RX-7s before, and they should be treated with more respect than what idiotic americans are doing :pillepall

Go ahead, blow up a damn 7 litre pushrod plodders of yours, but don't rape the legendary japanese rotaries.

That video reminds me of another bunch of oh-so-smart americans, they went to a bike shop, bought a brand new '02 Honda CBR 900 RR fireblade, started the engine and revved it up at the limiter untill it blew up. I wouldn't mind seeing that kind of people being hung up from their balls.

My 2c, sorry if I was a bit harsh.

[operator0]

Hurts my heart to watch a 13B go down in such a manner. I owned one of those FC RX-7s before, and they should be treated with more respect than what idiotic americans are doing :pillepall

Go ahead, blow up a damn 7 litre pushrod plodders of yours, but don't rape the legendary japanese rotaries.

That video reminds me of another bunch of oh-so-smart americans, they went to a bike shop, bought a brand new '02 Honda CBR 900 RR fireblade, started the engine and revved it up at the limiter untill it blew up. I wouldn't mind seeing that kind of people being hung up from their balls.

My 2c, sorry if I was a bit harsh.

So what else was he going to do with that "legendary" 13B? Take it to a taxidermist, have it stuffed and put in a 'lifelike' pose, then take up three cubic feet of his livingroom space displaying it to all who pass through his house? Just because it's legendary? Like, maybe it's the only ****ing 13b left on the face of the Earth? Is that it?

Let me repeat again. It's essentialy worthless. It doesn't matter what kind of motor it is. If it's worthless, then there is no monetary value and, by deffinition, no collectable value either. Might as well get some entertainment value out of it.

Have you taken my multiple choice quiz yet? If not, how bout doing so right now?

I mean, it's unreal that you are villifying Americans for popping a motor that's not only worthless but will provide more worth by going to go to a salvage yard to get turned into Bic razor blades. Your eletist sanctimony is stinking up this thread.

[operator0]

You know what? If you come back at me with more America bashing sanctimony about blowing up a moter on purpose, I'll just have to talk to a few Scandinavian freinds to see what they think about the whole issue. I can virtualy garuntee you that they see things my way. And yes, they live in Finland. So, instead of putting an anti-American spin on this, why don't you go ahead and tac away form that portion of the argument, because you simply don't have the firepower or, apperently, brain power to win.

How about that?

Finland has car guys too.

[Gabkicks]

hehe i guessed correctly. thx for confirming my assumptions operator :)

[Racer Y]

Hurts my heart to watch a 13B go down in such a manner. I owned one of those FC RX-7s before, and they should be treated with more respect than what idiotic americans are doing :pillepall

Go ahead, blow up a damn 7 litre pushrod plodders of yours, but don't rape the legendary japanese rotaries.

That video reminds me of another bunch of oh-so-smart americans, they went to a bike shop, bought a brand new '02 Honda CBR 900 RR fireblade, started the engine and revved it up at the limiter untill it blew up. I wouldn't mind seeing that kind of people being hung up from their balls.

My 2c, sorry if I was a bit harsh.


LOL most ppl I know that had RX-7s took that goofy motor out, put in new mounts and put 350s in them... LOL that made those little cars the fastest thing between gas stations... yeah they replaced the tranny and made new drive shafts too.
please don't go off about performance stats... I could care less. I just know from experience that those cars couldn't handle the heat and traffic conditions here in Houston. Also, If i'm not mistaken, isn't the front end pretty crappy on those cars too? You know like really easy to bend the A arms or
something?

And to any "mericans reading this...
Y'all ever notice how people will Down our whole country on the actions of a few morons and that's to be accepted, yet if we was to do that to them
and one of their nations.................

[operator0]

And to any "mericans reading this...
Y'all ever notice how people will Down our whole country on the actions of a few morons and that's to be accepted, yet if we was to do that to them
and one of their nations.................

That's a point, but not the best one, by far.

The thing is, he acts like no Finish person would ever try to do something like that. Like, that's only an American thing. I mean, you've got to be kidding me. You know what? That's the biggest load of sacrimonious crap I think I've ever read on the web and if he'd of thought about it for a few seconds he would have realized it.

I emailed one of my Finish freinds. We'll see if he feels like wadding through the bullshit in here.

[ColeusRattus]

He, guys, calm down. I assume he referred to those particular people in the videos he mentioned as stupid americans, and not to ALL of you guys over there ;). At least I doubt he meant you in person.
They obviously are, no doubt in that, and being rich and bored doesn't make such a stupid act more intelligent.
Also, it is hardly his fault that 90% (all figures made up by the author) of videos of people doing stupid things originate from america. I guess there is the same amount of stupid people all around the world, but in "Old Europe" they just have not discovered the joy of letting the whole world take part in their stupidity by recording it and distributing it over the internet. So no need to get offended/offensive over that matter. (As it will certainly result in a dispute about america where one side will bash the USA, disregarding the good things this nation achieved, while the other side will defend it, neglecting any mistake the government made... so no point in it really)

Now let me finish my plea for fraternity and tolerance of stupidity wih two of my favourite sayings describing the mental state of mankind:

"Drei Drittel Trottel" (Three thirds are dumbasses) and "90% der Leute sind zu 100% deppert" (90% of the people are 100% stupid)

Thank you for your attention.

[tristancliffe]

I've always wanted to see what happens when you do that. I'm gonna get a car (any car, I don't mind) and put a brick on the throttle, and wait.

If it's a reciprocating engine, I hope to see the conrods/pistons arc gracefully through the sky....

And if it's a 'legendary'* rotary engine then that's just boring - nothing will fly :(



*rotary engines are NOT legendary. Their initial unreliability, thirstiness (oil and petrol), lack of torque, and general weirdness is legendary. The engine itself is not. Hell, only the Japs would carry on throwing money at an engine only 6 people really want.

[Matrixi]

So what else was he going to do with that "legendary" 13B? Take it to a taxidermist, have it stuffed and put in a 'lifelike' pose, then take up three cubic feet of his livingroom space displaying it to all who pass through his house? Just because it's legendary? Like, maybe it's the only ****ing 13b left on the face of the Earth? Is that it?

Let me repeat again. It's essentialy worthless. It doesn't matter what kind of motor it is. If it's worthless, then there is no monetary value and, by deffinition, no collectable value either. Might as well get some entertainment value out of it.

Have you taken my multiple choice quiz yet? If not, how bout doing so right now?

I mean, it's unreal that you are villifying Americans for popping a motor that's not only worthless but will provide more worth by going to go to a salvage yard to get turned into Bic razor blades. Your eletist sanctimony is stinking up this thread.

:really:
Wow. I didn't even expect someone to heat up like this. If my post seemed like I was bashing every single american that lives on the planet I apologize. I think americans are mostly great and friendly people. I wrote that post at like 5AM being really tired and pissed off :chair:

My point was on these inviduals who are screwed in the head to go blow up a engine without even doing anything. I can't see any fun on sitting a car and waiting the engine blow. I don't know about you, but that engine could have well been speant in learning to drift or atleast do burnouts with it :shrug: If it was really "worthless", as you say it was, it couldn't have been able to take that much punishment for as long as they did in the video.

Best yet, take the engine out and fix it, tune it. Do something crying out loud. You can even push over 300hp from a N/A 13B with slight porting. I don't know how much the 13B costs for you people over in the states, but here it's atleast 2000 euros (~$2400) without transmission or peripherals. That may give you a bit perspective. As you people get everything so cheap and have no problems buying anything, it may not seem such a waste for you. :shrug:


Oh, and about your second posting operator, was that a threat against me? I thought that's illegal in these forums. I guess I gotta check that up..

And yes, Finland does have car guys. Some are just as equal to the smartness as in the video.

[96 GTS]

So I want to know what actually "lets go" in a rotary when you do that. It's not exactly like it can throw a rod or drop a valve. It looked to me like it just boiled dry, and started grating the rotor tips against the sides of the chambers, losing all compression, that'd explain the flames from the exhaust too, as fuel is getting by the rotor tip into the exhaust port and catching fire.

It hurt to watch the video, but not as much when I found out the engine was basically worthless, it'd be more fun to watch a piston engine go, but there would be much more chance of damaging the actual car. (A flying con rod can do wonders to a windshield.)

As for them doing this in general, the 13B rotary isn't exactly a holy object, at least not here in the states. Now had they done this to a Ferrari Colombo V12, or a 1.5 Litre Matra V16, they would need to be shot.

[Racer Y]

"Drei Drittel Trottel" (Three thirds are dumbasses) and "90% der Leute sind zu 100% deppert" (90% of the people are 100% stupid)




ROFL... I think you hit the nail on the head. And if you wanna know the truth, there really is a lot of Stupid Americans. But I also think that camcorders
have a secret ray in them that drops the IQ of whoever is being filmed by about 20 points. :)

[Matrixi]

So I want to know what actually "lets go" in a rotary when you do that. It's not exactly like it can throw a rod or drop a valve. It looked to me like it just boiled dry, and started grating the rotor tips against the sides of the chambers, losing all compression, that'd explain the flames from the exhaust too, as fuel is getting by the rotor tip into the exhaust port and catching fire.

It hurt to watch the video, but not as much when I found out the engine was basically worthless, it'd be more fun to watch a piston engine go, but there would be much more chance of damaging the actual car. (A flying con rod can do wonders to a windshield.)

As for them doing this in general, the 13B rotary isn't exactly a holy object, at least not here in the states. Now had they done this to a Ferrari Colombo V12, or a 1.5 Litre Matra V16, they would need to be shot.

Most likely the apex seals fried up because of the overheating. True, it ain't as painful as the engine was "basically worthless". However, new apex seals aren't more than hundred bucks max, and I'm guessing those were the only things busted in the engine as the actual block of rotary engines hardly can get damaged. I doubt it would have been a big deal to fix that engine to pristine condition. But I guess that's what do you do when you are bored and have too much money in your hands..

13B is far from being a holy object, so is 13BT. But imo, they aren't something to blow up for "shits and giggles" :shrug: Atleast over here where those engines are given some respect.

[Don Merino]

Isn't it worth $100 to do something fun like this?


The point is in the question why you would consider this fun.

And, no, in my opinion, this is not a "car guys thing".
I consider myself a car guy, and blowing an engine up just because it has maybe 200,000 or more km on it is nothing I would consider doing.
I wouldn't do it because I AM a car guy. My relationship towards my cars is emotional.
You asked why you should sell it for almost no gain instead of blowing it up for fun?
Well. My point of view is that if an engine has served me well from the day I bought the car with 150,000km on it to the day I want to replace it 50,000km later because it is losing compression and I have something better at hand, I will rather give it for free to someone who can make use of it than blow it up.
Isn't it always better to give things to people who will still use them instead of just throwing them away?

Moreover, blowing the engine up is more than just throwing it away. It is abuse, it is neglecting the value of which it has once been to you.
"Torturing" it to death would just not be my way of saying "Thanks for the good time."


Maybe you're right if you think now that I take this too seriously. But I just do.

[operator0]

At least I doubt he meant you in person.
They obviously are, no doubt in that, and being rich and bored doesn't make such a stupid act more intelligent.

And we've come full circle. I believe I've asked this question no less than three times on this very thread. Let me ask it once more.

If you had a worthless motor that was comming out of a car in a matter of hours, what would you do with it?

Best yet, take the engine out and fix it, tune it. Do something crying out loud. You can even push over 300hp from a N/A 13B with slight porting. I don't know how much the 13B costs for you people over in the states, but here it's atleast 2000 euros (~$2400) without transmission or peripherals. That may give you a bit perspective. As you people get everything so cheap and have no problems buying anything, it may not seem such a waste for you.

The fact that the motor is worth that kind of money in Finland does nothing to help these guys who live 4,000 miles away. It certainly doesn't increase the value of the motor in America. So forget all that, because it has no bearing on this situation.

I'm sure that Finland has access to motors that are worth nothing over there, but are worth quite a bit to Americans. If they had blown one of those motors up, you wouldn't bat an eye, but many Americans would be calling them stupid. The difference is that our argument would actualy be relavent, BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN AMERICA...not Finland. If we reverse the situation and put a couple of Fins in those American's spots you would hear no shock or calls of stupidity from me, because I understand how markets work. A worthless motor in Finland, is still worthless, No matter if the motor is worth $2400 to Americans or not. Now, if the motor is worth a few thousand more than that to Americans, then it starts to become a different ballgame. There is a threshold at which it becomes prudent to start looking for over seas buyers. But only after transportation costs and customs costs and time spent shipping it are all paid for and there's still a significant amount left. That's not the case here.

Oh, and about your second posting operator, was that a threat against me? I thought that's illegal in these forums. I guess I gotta check that up..

No, no. Sorry if the post was a little ambiguous. I certainly don't think this argument is worth physical threats. I would never do that. What I meant was that I would get a few of my Finish freinds to post in this thread and support my argument that one of the most worthwhile things you can do with a worthless motor that's comming out of the car is to blow it up for fun. Hope that clears it up.

Now back to our regularly schedualed argument.

I can't see any fun on sitting a car and waiting the engine blow.

I think that statement is stupid. Do you like my opinion?

I don't know about you, but that engine could have well been speant in learning to drift or atleast do burnouts with it :shrug:

It's funny how I was called a ricer earlier in the post when so far, the only evidence of anyone being a ricer is a guy on the other side of the argument. You go ahead and have mAd TiZzItE fun drifting.

If it was really "worthless", as you say it was, it couldn't have been able to take that much punishment for as long as they did in the video.

What? You think the only thing that constitutes a worthwhile engine is it's apperent durability? You've got things all mixed up. Let me spell it out. You can buy a remanufactured (that means the motor is rebuilt) B13 for 625 Euros here in America. Let me repeat, a virtualy new B13 in America costs ~600 Euros. There is no market for that motor in America, especialy for one with a lot of miles on it. It makes no difference how durable it is, if no one wants it, it doesn't have any value. The turbo motors are a different story.

The cost for those guys to rebuild the motor would far exceed the worth of the finished product. In other words, they would lose money trying to rebuild it. Now, that's stupid.

Let me sum up:

Any motor is fun to blow up when you have nothing better to do with it. These two had nothing better to do with the motor. Again, if you disagree, then tell me what they could have done with it?

[operator0]

The point is in the question why you would consider this fun.

Yes. Finaly someone on the other side of the argument who seems smart enough to grasp some of the concepts I'm throwing out. You are correct sir. That is one of my arguments.

And, no, in my opinion, this is not a "car guys thing".

At least you prefaced it by telling us it's your opinion. I can respect that, although I disagree.

I consider myself a car guy, and blowing an engine up just because it has maybe 200,000 or more km on it is nothing I would consider doing.
I wouldn't do it because I AM a car guy. My relationship towards my cars is emotional.

Uhh Houston, we have a problem. I'll tell you this, anyone who has an emotional attachment to a machine is way more messed up in the head than the two in the video. You need professional help.

You asked why you should sell it for almost no gain instead of blowing it up for fun?
Well. My point of view is that if an engine has served me well from the day I bought the car with 150,000km on it to the day I want to replace it 50,000km later because it is losing compression and I have something better at hand, I will rather give it for free to someone who can make use of it than blow it up.

Bravo. You have answered my question with a very well thought out reply. It even makes sense. Pay attention kids, this is how it's done.

Isn't it always better to give things to people who will still use them instead of just throwing them away?

I'll admit that it would be a better use of the motor, but you would need a freind who could actualy use the motor first.

Moreover, blowing the engine up is more than just throwing it away. It is abuse, it is neglecting the value of which it has once been to you.
"Torturing" it to death would just not be my way of saying "Thanks for the good time."

Again, stop with the emotional stuff, you're making me cry.

Maybe you're right if you think now that I take this too seriously. But I just do.

I like you. You even pointed out that you perhaps take it to another level. Anyone who can admit their less than desirable qualities is A-OK in my book.

That post so far is the best one yet to represent the other side of the argument. A little dramatic, a lot of emotion, but at least he gives me a few answers.

[Racer Y]

I dunno... the more I think about it, they should have just blown up the whole damn car. And I bet if those guys were to stumble across this thread, they'd
probably think WE were stupid carrying on about it.

[ajp71]

Without trying to turn this into a political debate it seems to me to be a sad reflection on American attitudes towards wasting anything they can. I really can't understand why your still going on about this (maybe an American we can't be beaten mentality). If you race stock cars and want to blow up Chevy small blocks for a hobby that's up to you, I'd rather race them myself. Deliberately trying to push a rod through the block whilst peering over it is about as ****ing stupid as you can get anyway because flying debris kills.

[Matrixi]

And we've come full circle. I believe I've asked this question no less than three times on this very thread. Let me ask it once more.

If you had a worthless motor that was comming out of a car in a matter of hours, what would you do with it?


Well, to be honest I would take it out to scrap yard or maybe part it out and sell it away. Giving away is one option, so is taking the motor to one of those shops that pay you hard cash for raw materials (aluminum and iron in this case).


The fact that the motor is worth that kind of money in Finland does nothing to help these guys who live 4,000 miles away. It certainly doesn't increase the value of the motor in America. So forget all that, because it has no bearing on this situation.

I'm sure that Finland has access to motors that are worth nothing over there, but are worth quite a bit to Americans. If they had blown one of those motors up, you wouldn't bat an eye, but many Americans would be calling them stupid. The difference is that our argument would actualy be relavent, BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN AMERICA...not Finland. If we reverse the situation and put a couple of Fins in those American's spots you would hear no shock or calls of stupidity from me, because I understand how markets work. A worthless motor in Finland, is still worthless, No matter if the motor is worth $2400 to Americans or not. Now, if the motor is worth a few thousand more than that to Americans, then it starts to become a different ballgame. There is a threshold at which it becomes prudent to start looking for over seas buyers. But only after transportation costs and customs costs and time spent shipping it are all paid for and there's still a significant amount left. That's not the case here.


You do have a good point there. But, there are people willing to buy a complete engine from another country. I am one of them. When I had my FC I bought a shitload of parts to its engine from the US. They were a lot, and I do mean a lot cheaper to order from the states and pay to tolls and taxes rather than get it from Mazda directly from Finland. Same would go to a complete engine. I'm not too sure about what you said about fins having engines worth alot to people in the US, unless you give great value to old Lada and Skoda engines. But I do see your point.


It's funny how I was called a ricer earlier in the post when so far, the only evidence of anyone being a ricer is a guy on the other side of the argument. You go ahead and have mAd TiZzItE fun drifting.


If you are trying to stamp me as being a ricer of somewhat, you are oh-so-wrong. I don't know if drifting is equal to ricer tuning etc in the states, but it ain't here. It's motorsport, just like racing is. And in my world, it sure as hell is a lot more appealing than killing an engine for nothing.



What? You think the only thing that constitutes a worthwhile engine is it's apperent durability? You've got things all mixed up. Let me spell it out. You can buy a remanufactured (that means the motor is rebuilt) B13 for 625 Euros here in America. Let me repeat, a virtualy new B13 in America costs ~600 Euros. There is no market for that motor in America, especialy for one with a lot of miles on it. It makes no difference how durable it is, if no one wants it, it doesn't have any value. The turbo motors are a different story.

The cost for those guys to rebuild the motor would far exceed the worth of the finished product. In other words, they would lose money trying to rebuild it. Now, that's stupid.


Read my second reply to your quote. There are people abroad willing to buy a engine from the states or anywhere in the world for that matter, rebuilt or not.



Any motor is fun to blow up when you have nothing better to do with it. These two had nothing better to do with the motor. Again, if you disagree, then tell me what they could have done with it?
I think that statement is stupid. Do you like my opinion?


Those two quotes sum it up for me. Blowing up a engine seems to be a cool and awesome thing for you. It isn't for me. No matter how much you talk about the engine being worthless and piece of crap, I still think it shouldn't be blown up. I don't achieve any joy in such matter, I guess it's an american treat that I don't have, now or never in the future.

I posted my opinion, you posted yours. That's the way these forums should be. I don't like your opinion, and you certainly don't seem to like my opinion, so we should rest it at that and not go for personal issues :nod:

[Racer Y]

If you had a worthless motor that was comming out of a car in a matter of hours, what would you do with it?

As an American, I gotta admit, I wouldn't do something that wasteful to it either.
Nah, I'd sell it to someone who didn't know any better....lol probably to some
dude in Finland :)

[ColeusRattus]

Let me repeat, a virtualy new B13 in America costs ~600 Euros.

As an Amercian, you should know that there are people who have to work on three jobs to get that much a month. And even if the engine in question would be worth 50 € I'd say it is a waste. So, the fronts are cleared on that: I wouldn't do something like that, you would. No problem for me.
But why are you getting so defensive about it? It's not like you yourself blew that engine and you'd have to justify for it...

[tristancliffe]

I say blow more engines up!!!!!

Then let the weird people in the forum who care about random people they've never met who enjoy blowing up crappy engines not fit for sale and then STILL take it to the scrapyard and get £30 for it.

Okay - this weeks challenge:
IF YOU SEE AN ENGINE OF ANY TYPE - BLOW IT UP

First person to get 30 wins a Twix (or the equivalent in your country)*









* you have to buy your own Twix (or equivalent).

[Fonnybone]

Ok, Operator, i skipped most of this page because this is getting out
of hands. Let me be direct here. I understand that you feel personally insulted
by some comments, sometimes they can be ignorant and blantant blue collar
propaganda but please calm down, go take a walk, forget about it.

Like my mom always told me, don't let stupid people drain you.
Well, she didn't say it like that...but if you feel a situation is getting
you upset, perhaps you should avoid it for a while and do something
else. I don't want this thread to become an insult fest that starts over
nothing.

Personally, i don't think there's anything smart in destroying something
because some say it's worthless, first of all, 'worth' when it comes to market
value has got absolutely nothing to do with how much an object is really
worth. This is the only engine of it's kind. No other car maker has an engine
like this, that alone makes it legendary. The fact that it's still running is a
testament to why you even know this engine today. Also, there's something
so wrong with wasting stuff nowadays. I mean, why not use it in something
else ?! Geez, i'm sure half the 'car guys' here are REAL car guys that actually
thought "HEY give it to me then, i'll use it !!". There's the carguys that
actually know about cars, then there's the carguys that sit in the stands at
NASCAR, lol :p

The only 'good' thing here is that we have an experiment that is documented
and that is pretty usefull for evaluating the 13B. A lot of car manufacturers
actually buy their competitor's cars just to take them apart and 'test' them.
I'm sure Ford would love to have a video like this of a Ford lasting longer than
a Chevy, it doesn't have any real-life use, but you all see the marketing
potential.

PS: I just remembered, i managed to get 300$ for my Scirocco precisely
because of the worthless engine, it's the amazing JH. As soon as i started
the car, the guy said SOLD ;) The car was 'worth' 50$. I would have taken
that RX7 no problem btw.

[operator0]

I say blow more engines up!!!!!

Then let the weird people in the forum who care about random people they've never met who enjoy blowing up crappy engines not fit for sale and then STILL take it to the scrapyard and get £30 for it.

You've summed up my whole argument. Thank you.


I keep reading the same basic argument here. It goes a little something like this:

"Americans are wastefull because they blow up worthless motors."

Raise your hand if you believe that no Finish guy has ever blown, or thought about blowing up a worthless motor for fun?

This should be interesting.

[ColeusRattus]

"Americans are wastefull because they blow up worthless motors."


No, NOONE said that. They (or should I say we?) said that ANYBODY, regardless of nation, skincolour or religion who wastes stuff like this is stupid. Just by coincidence the guys who burned that engine are americans, but that has nothing to do with the fact that it wasn't too intelligent.
Not every critic aimed at an American can be labeled as "anti-americanism"...
If this video would be Austrian, and you'd say those guys were stupid, i'd wholeheartly agree with you, and I'd definately wouldn't think that you tried to insult "my" nation, even if you did generalize a little bit.

And now I think we completely ruined that originally quite harmless thread, so it could be locked.

[ajp71]

It's just a stereotypical view that Americans are the most likely people to do this. The fact that it's Americans that have been the ones saying they do this to an engine for fun rather than finding a use for it rather strengthens peoples' feelings that Americans have too much money and enjoy blowing stuff up for 'fun'. TBH you have rather brought this on yourself and why don't we just leave this thread alone now.

[Fonnybone]

No actually, i think it's ok now :)

[Racer Y]

It's just a stereotypical view that Americans are the most likely people to do this. The fact that it's Americans that have been the ones saying they do this to an engine for fun rather than finding a use for it rather strengthens peoples' feelings that Americans have too much money and enjoy blowing stuff up for 'fun'. TBH you have rather brought this on yourself and why don't we just leave this thread alone now.

Uhhh... Not yet please :)

You have a valid point. Say you've never met seen ar had anything to do with an American. Maybe you're told this & that about Americans. And since usually when somebody talks about somebody else, it's a negative thing. Now you see this video, not even reading the commentary, just see the video.....
Hey if I was some foreign guy and saw that, I'd be inclined to think Americans
were a wasteful lot as well.

Personally, I figure it's their motor, they can do what they want with it.
And even though fonnybone is right that auto makers basically do the same thing, I really doubt that there was any scientific method to what those guys were doing.

Sure it was somewhat wasteful, but it was also kinda cool.

[operator0]

No, NOONE said that. They (or should I say we?) said that ANYBODY, regardless of nation, skincolour or religion who wastes stuff like this is stupid. Just by coincidence the guys who burned that engine are americans, but that has nothing to do with the fact that it wasn't too intelligent.

Are you sure about that?

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and they should be treated with more respect than what idiotic americans are doing :pillepall

I don't achieve any joy in such matter, I guess it's an american treat that I don't have, now or never in the future.


...a sad reflection on American attitudes...


Oh how dull the internet would be were it not for bored rich american children.

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Not every critic aimed at an American can be labeled as "anti-americanism"...

Sure, but the repeating theme here is that Americans are idiots and wastefull and only they would do something like this.

I especialy like the wastefull comments. Even after I suggested that the motor would be taken to a scrap yard and recyceled, which almost all motors in America do eventualy, I still got those wastefull comments.

If this video would be Austrian, and you'd say those guys were stupid, i'd wholeheartly agree with you, and I'd definately wouldn't think that you tried to insult "my" nation, even if you did generalize a little bit.

That's right, because I wouldn't preface words like bored, wastefull and idiot with Austrian. I know there are bored, wastefull idiots in every country.

And now I think we completely ruined that originally quite harmless thread, so it could be locked.

Yeah, this went downhill pretty fast.






Ok, Operator, i skipped most of this page because this is getting out
of hands. Let me be direct here. I understand that you feel personally insulted
by some comments, sometimes they can be ignorant and blantant blue collar
propaganda but please calm down, go take a walk, forget about it.

Like my mom always told me, don't let stupid people drain you.
Well, she didn't say it like that...but if you feel a situation is getting
you upset, perhaps you should avoid it for a while and do something
else. I don't want this thread to become an insult fest that starts over
nothing.

Yes, you are correct and after this post I will no longer reply to it...no matter what is said.

Personally, i don't think there's anything smart in destroying something because some say it's worthless, first of all, 'worth' when it comes to market value has got absolutely nothing to do with how much an object is really worth.

You know what I like about that? You didn't throw some bad comment about Americans in there.

A machine's worth has everything to do with market value to me. If I can't make a few bucks off of it, and I can't use it, then what good is it doing me? That's my take.

This is the only engine of it's kind. No other car maker has an engine
like this, that alone makes it legendary. The fact that it's still running is a
testament to why you even know this engine today. Also, there's something
so wrong with wasting stuff nowadays. I mean, why not use it in something
else ?! Geez, i'm sure half the 'car guys' here are REAL car guys that actually
thought "HEY give it to me then, i'll use it !!". There's the carguys that
actually know about cars, then there's the carguys that sit in the stands at
NASCAR, lol :p

I undertsand that the rotery is a unique engine, but it's not like they only made 200 of them. Those things are a dime a dozen over here. And nobody is wasting it. It's getting recycled.

That's what they do at scrap yards, which is where the vast majority of metal machines in America end up when they've outlived their usefullness. Be it a refrigerator, a car or an airplane. They get recycled.

Here's what I'm reading into all this. You tell me if I'm wrong. It's a culture clash. You guys on the other side of the pond cherish the 13b, or any other unique motor and would do everything in your power to restore one and keep it running. We in America don't need to, because we can get rebuilt units for 600 euros. And 600 euros isn't expensive at all. Yeah, the market place is different so replace that 13b with any common (to you) motor. Would you feel the same way? How much less would you care if it was a Rover engine, or and old 80s Saab motor? Something completely mundane and ordinary. That's what the 13b is over here.

I don't have an emotional attachment to my machines. I use my machines to do a job. If that machine can't do the job, I get another one. I don't fell sorry for it, I don't feel like I owe it anything for being so trustworthy in the past and I certainly don't think the machine cares whether I do or not. It's just a machine.

The only 'good' thing here is that we have an experiment that is documented and that is pretty usefull for evaluating the 13B. A lot of car manufacturers actually buy their competitor's cars just to take them apart and 'test' them. I'm sure Ford would love to have a video like this of a Ford lasting longer than a Chevy, it doesn't have any real-life use, but you all see the marketing potential.

It's quite remarkable. That's part of the fun of doing something like this.




operator0,
Signing off.

[L(Oo)ney]

That's what they do at scrap yards, which is where the vast majority of metal machines in America end up when they've outlived their usefullness. Be it a refrigerator, a car or an airplane. They get recycled.

But they should only be recycled, when they no longer work.

That engine was running fine, i see no reason why anyone would just blow it up, for "fun" - Sitting there killing a perfectly working engine is not fun from my pov.

As the old saying goes "One Man's Rubbish Is Another Mans Treasure."

[Matrixi]

Yet again, I apologize my harshness in the first post. As I said I was pissed off by that video since I do have special love and respect on the rotaries. Even tho, my first comments were rather directed to the people in the film, not to every american in the world, as you seem to be trying make my comments look like.

After giving a thought about it, it's your engine. You've bought it with your hard earned money. Do what the hell you ever want with it. I'll still think it's a fscked up thing to do but hey, I guess it's ok to do whatever you with the materia you own personally.

I will no longer post in this thread, in order not to upset any more people, I tried to be polite (atleast after my first harsh pissed off post..) and discuss in a friendly matter but I guess the thread got out of hand.

My personal apologies to any insulted americans out there. No hard feelings? :sorry: :hug:

[Rob76]

I don't see what the problem is. I keep trying to blow the motor in my shitty Malibu company car, but so far no luck ;)

[TagForce]

Well... At least we know how a rotary blows up, and how frikkin' long it takes, so some good has come from it.

[Don Merino]

Uhh Houston, we have a problem. I'll tell you this, anyone who has an emotional attachment to a machine is way more messed up in the head than the two in the video. You need professional help.

Oooh, I possibly overemphasized my attitude towards machines a little.
But, on the other head, go ahead and ask 100 bikers (and I mean BIKERS, not the guys who own a motorcycle and take it out for a ride every other month) what they would do if their girlfriend asked them to give up their motorcycles.
At least 95 of them would probably say "dump the girlfriend and keep on riding"
I am aware that there is a difference between giving up your hobby and throwing away an old engine. Anyway my experience is that an emotional attachment towards a machine has far less of a psychotic touch than you obviously think.
I've met people in my life who said they would rather lend their wife to someone than their motorcycle, and they meant it.

But let me try to explain. I believe that the emotional attachment is not so much an attachment to the machine itself but to that which you connect with it. Like I wrote before, the good time you've had with it.

(edit: I've just read your last post, and it seems to say exactly what I was trying to get at in the following two paragraphs, so I put the quote in: )
I don't have an emotional attachment to my machines. I use my machines to do a job. If that machine can't do the job, I get another one. I don't fell sorry for it, I don't feel like I owe it anything for being so trustworthy in the past

I can see that your point of view might be quite different if you don't dedicate your time and money to a single or maybe two objects (like the 2 choppers in my case) and if it's not these two machines that are your passion but the things that you do with them, i.e. racing and such.
I have my 1974 Sporty because I always wanted to have an old Harley, it was a childhood dream and the bike itself is maybe even more important to me than building and riding choppers in general.
Now if cars are just your means of going fast, because racing is what you love (and not the cars), you may own four different cars during one year, one after the other, and you're used to exchanging old ones for newer ones and stuff.
And that probably makes your attitude towards our topic a completely different one.

I don't know if this expresses my thoughts clearly enough, but it's as good as I can do at the moment. After all, I'm still German ;-).

Thanks for the other things you said about my post, I really appreciate that.

[operator0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXQSEbuNKQ8&search=wreck

Matrixi:

You got anything to say about those "idiotic" Belgians?

[Matrixi]

Still holding a grudge on me are you? You have a fetish for destroying engines don't you? :)

About the video itself, I don't know what to say. Sure seems like those Civic engines can take lots of punishment. Wouldn't do that myself but like I have previously stated, it's your car/engine, do whatever you want with it.

[Kajojek(PL)]

You mean they dumped the car to the junk yard or something? Why in the world they would have done that?
Well I live in America and a lot of good cars are dumped just because it was after some accident.(Accident that you only need to change bumbers)

[Wenom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXQSEbuNKQ8&search=wreck

Matrixi:

You got anything to say about those "idiotic" Belgians?

So you took almost four months walk? hehe...

[Rappa Z]

Idiots. If they wanted to keep the engine cool the should have sprayed it with a fire egstinguiser...i think i spelled that wrong.

[(SaM)]

Idiots. If they wanted to keep the engine cool the should have sprayed it with a fire egstinguiser...i think i spelled that wrong.

Extinguisher.

Yeah, that's right. That's A Dutchie telling you how to spell your native language. :D

[Rappa Z]

I'm muck younger than anyone else so don't expect much good spelling.

[spsamsp]

http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=656D6E66-8317-4775-BDCF-14EF855BA56E&p=0

mabey lfs can be that good at engine damage sometime ;)

That makes me sick... why do that?

[tristancliffe]

Cos it's fun. It's only a few bits of metal after all, it's not like there are or should be morals about this. I have a personal goal in life to see how engines blow up, inline 4's, rotaries, wankels, v's, flats, deltas etc. Can't wait.

[L(Oo)ney]

Cos it's fun.

Killing it while Racing/drifting/rallying ect, now thats fun.

To just sit there and rev the bollocks off it until it blows up is pointless and stupid. :shrug:

[blowthru67mm]

Thats normal for people to blow engines like that, hell I have before, not on the rev limiter though, I just take off the limiter and free rev till it destoys the bearings... If you spend 5000 on a new short block, Dart block, Scat rotator, then you have the stock motor sitting there, either pull it and try selling it or blow it up :thumb::nod:

[spsamsp]

Cos it's fun. It's only a few bits of metal after all, it's not like there are or should be morals about this. I have a personal goal in life to see how engines blow up, inline 4's, rotaries, wankels, v's, flats, deltas etc. Can't wait.

Yes, buy why do it to a fully functional car? it's ok if you've got something terrbile that cost like £100 but with the (i believe it was either an Integra or RX something), that car looked and sounded fine before those meanies got their hands on it!

[frokki]

D. Take it down to the scrap yard and get $50 dollars for it.

E. Spend $2 in gas, $6 in beer, sit back and watch it blow up, then take it down to the scrap yard and collect your $50.

Answere me that, Ace.

Excellent post! :)

[Cirozel]

What they did to that engine is vicious and cruel, they are probably people who don't know the work and effort that has been put into those engines. Most would say "ah it's my money what do you care? " but imagine if someone would buy something that you hand made for a long time and then smashed it into your face even though he payed the right amount of money for it (or even more). I for one respect the work and engineering that has been put into any car whether it is old or new.
My family owned an old Fiat with an 1100 cc engine for more than 15 years just because my dad loved that car. We bought it with 150.000 km on board and drove it daily and the engine had no problems, compression was spot on and it wasn't eating a drop of oil . At ~380.000 one of the cillinders started loosing compression because one of the sealing rings on it had cracked , we went to great lenghts to buy replacements for all cilinders and after the operation the car again just ran fine. It diet at 680.000 because one of the connecting rods failed while iddling in front of my building, probably metal fatigue and we cold not get replacements. After that we sold the car at a scrapyard that deals in used car parts. The car had its share of abuse mostly from me at age 10 trying to learn driving on deserted roads and flooring the car on many ocasions :pillepall

PS: We did not keep the car because we did not have the option of buying another but we all loved that little bugger :D

"sry for the bad english"

[daanroof]

BLOW THAT ****ING ENGINE!!!:bounce8:

Stop complaining, u dont know why they blew it up, maybe the engine was in a bad condition and he wanted to break it, cus he was going to buy a new anyway... who knows?...:shrug:

[Jamexing]

The real chief point of all this isn't the fact that a bunch of Knuckleheads blew up an engine though may not be of much monetary value but could have been someones pride and joy for many years if repaired or even upgraded properly.

The point is that this is a simple matter of human nature. Humanity's insatiable lust for destruction. Any excuse to destroy something. Anything. And some still wonder why morality and common sense are decaying at an exponential rate. The same thing actually applies to issues as serious as marriages. Ah, whatever excuse I can cough up to get rid of that bitch that you thought you loved years ago and married after only 72 hours of contact. Whatever I can cough up to get half my millionaire hubby's fortune. Who cares about the need for a happy and complete family by those little brats... (aka children). It's all about humanity's endless love affair with death and destruction.

Note: This is about homo saipiens as a species IN GENERAL, not aimed at particular individuals.

All that wasted fuel and no valuable data of scientific, engineering or practical value has come out of it. Even from a coldly logical point of view it was a pure waste.

For instance, a 40 inch LCD TV in Japan might be considered obsolete and replaced after 6 months of use. The stupid way would be to simply destroy it for nothing. Or if it still functions perfectly fine and most likely will for at least a good number of years you could simply sell it to someone else either local or foreign for a fraction of the original price. Of course you can NEVER recuperate all your losses, but it's better then just throwing a perfectly usable physical item of practical value away at a complete loss. If anything you could be doing less well to do families a great service. All while reducing the cost of your new TV from the money earned via trading in the old set.

The Japanese do in fact export a lot of their used cars that were either only a few years old and in excellent condition or restored to near OEM spec to a lot of countries in South East Asia. If you know where and who to look for, getting quality bargains for cars that range from post 2000 Mitsubishi Pajeros to Lexus IS300s isn't terribly difficult. The fact that people get to drive quality used vehicles at only a fraction of the price of brand new cars is itself a win-win situation where everyone ends up happy in the end (generally).

In this engine's case, why not just keep the car and all and just look for and sell it to someone who would restore it just because of their passion and love for the type of car? What a waste.

[JTbo]

Destroying something instead of building just show how stupid one is, stupidity however has been increasing over years it seems and I'm seriously worried how it will effect to future.

If there would be no stupid people there would never been sequel to Fast & Furious for example :hidesbehi

[Yaamboo]

Technically this is the problem we have - we are spending our resources by simply getting rid of good stuff that could be reused. Similar to the videos of destructing electronics stuff (blend the ipod, smash the ps3).

[Roadie]

Why are you guys still whining about this? Who the hell cares what someone else does to an engine? Does it really affect your life? No. If it does you need mental help.

I think that video is funny. Its a pos engine so who cares if its blown up. :S

[JTbo]

Why are you guys still whining about this? Who the hell cares what someone else does to an engine? Does it really affect your life? No. If it does you need mental help.

I think that video is funny. Its a pos engine so who cares if its blown up. :S

It is human stupidity that annoys us that use brains :razz:

[harjun]

THAT LOOKED LIKE A NICE RX-7!!!!! What the hell did they pour on it...coke?...petrol? BOOOOOOOOOM!

[theirishnoob]

wow , i cant stresss how much i hate people like this , the guy who posted the video said " it had no compression " but i dont car that motor would be nice set-up in a lada riva :D

[ans7812]

Honestly, who cares? Get over it.

[bensinbil]

WHY THA HELL WOULD ANYONE DO THAT TO A CAR-!!!


DAMN ASSHOLES!!

its a car god damn it...

[yoyoML]

Well, you can definitely say, "Hey it's my engine. I can blow it up any day I like and if you feel bad about it go to the doctor!" That's totally reasonable and legal, but win you respect it doesn't.

Lots of people found it heartbreaking when an Enzo got wrecked into two halves a while back, even though it was someone else's car. It's just because we all know it's a nice thing to have. That we don't have it is quite irrelevant. What would people think of the owner if he jumped out and just said, "Well it's my Enzo, I can crash and it's none of your business"? What one rich asshole or something? To some of us, that blown engine might've been a lot closer to an Enzo than others.

The US has been losing respect of people from other countries, bit by bit in events like this. Sure you can say you have the right or anything, for example like burning cheaply bought fuel in huge useless SUV's. It's other people's right to grow anti-American sentiments, too.