The Gentlefoot Formula Challenge [Archive]

Gentlefoot

15th May 2007, 14:33

Here is some general information about this event.

Dual FOX and FO8 entries;

Overall Championship rank and separate FOX and FO8 ranks;

Championship entries unlimited;

1st come first served basis for event entry with reserve list;

12 Events (1 season) held every two weeks;

Races approx 75mins in length (pit stop will be required at most circuits);

League system and points for each event;

Entrants will be able to drop their two lowest scores so they can miss up to two races per season without losing points;

Independent judicial system for decisions and appeals;

Warnings, penalties and possible bans for bad driving;

For more information go to GFC LFS League (http://gentlefoot.com/GFC.html)

or go to Leagues, Car Setups and Track Guides (http://gentlefoot.com)

hotmail

21st May 2007, 16:04

are you tonight online?

maybe we can talk about it then.

reintjan

Gentlefoot

22nd May 2007, 10:48

are you tonight online?

maybe we can talk about it then.

reintjan

Yep - I will be on the GentlefootFormulaRacing server at some point tonight :)

Dru

22nd May 2007, 11:05

Yep - I will be on the GentlefootFormulaRacing server at some point tonight :)

Another ZWR'er you see Gentlefoot - we are interested in getting involved with this league if we can :D:D

Gentlefoot

22nd May 2007, 11:56

Another ZWR'er you see Gentlefoot - we are interested in getting involved with this league if we can :D:D

Glad to see it.

As I mentioned in my PM if you enter this Sunday's race you will almost certainly get a grid slot. I reckon there won't be more than about 15 people turn up.

Dru

22nd May 2007, 18:01

Glad to see it.

As I mentioned in my PM if you enter this Sunday's race you will almost certainly get a grid slot. I reckon there won't be more than about 15 people turn up.

Done :thumb:

Gentlefoot

29th May 2007, 09:57

The first test event took place on Sunday and was a resounding success. A full grid of 20 cars made this an intense experience. We had 8 DNFs.

Congratulations to ATC The End for taking the win by a significant margin in the FO8 class. Somehow I managed to win the FOX class. Not quite sure how after being a lap down after 5 :)

Links to results, judicial decisions and post race chat can be found at http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/index.php

Final scores will be added shortly. There are several outstanding incident investigations open at the moment. Decisions will be made tonight.

GF

CELTIC100

29th May 2007, 11:59

Somehow I managed to win the FOX class. Not quite sure how after being a lap down after 5 :)

Must of been when you drafted me for half a lap GF :D

Thanks GF for all your hard work and if you need to delegate some parts of the project out I will be glad to help in any way I can.

Just seen the Judicial Videos Of Race 0 - Awesome GF as the Video never lies :D

Gentlefoot

30th May 2007, 09:21

Must of been when you drafted me for half a lap GF :D

Thanks GF for all your hard work and if you need to delegate some parts of the project out I will be glad to help in any way I can.

Just seen the Judicial Videos Of Race 0 - Awesome GF as the Video never lies :D

Thanks mate - much appreciated. I may well take you up on your offer at some point in the future.

GF

andy_bonjon

30th May 2007, 16:36

Yes thank you for your hard work GF it was an awesome race, can't wait for the season to start! :thumb:

Gentlefoot

31st May 2007, 08:46

Yes thank you for your hard work GF it was an awesome race, can't wait for the season to start! :thumb:

Thanks mate - me too. Practice session have been busy the last couple of nights on the GentlefootFormulaRacing server. Seems this is a popular track, if a little frustrating with two tricky corners right at the end of the lap. :)

Koa128

1st June 2007, 20:49

Hi Gentlefoot, i have just registered in GF.com to get involve with the incoming season :thumb:.

Gentlefoot

3rd June 2007, 21:21

Hi Gentlefoot, i have just registered in GF.com to get involve with the incoming season :thumb:.

yep - saw that and you're all registered now.

Here's the highlights from the qualifying session of the pre season race at Fern Bay Club.

The high quality WMV download is highly recomended. Flash video is not good quality.

GFC LFS Video (http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/lfsvideo.html)

See the top news item.

joshdifabio

4th June 2007, 14:36

The points system needs to change IMO, at the moment it seems seriously flawed.

This is copied from the GFC forum:

Below are details of the points you will score in the GFC. Only the top 25 finishers will score points.

1st = 40 Points
2nd = 37 Points
3rd = 35 Points
4th = 33 Points
5th = 32 Points
6th = 31 Points
7th = 30 Points
8th = 29 Points
9th = 28 Points
10th = 27 Points
11th = 26 Points
12th = 25 Points
13th = 24 Points
14th = 23 Points
15th = 22 Points
16th = 21 Points
17th = 20 Points
18th = 19 Points
19th = 18 Points
20th = 17 Points
21st = 16 Points
22nd = 15 Points
23rd = 14 Points
24th = 13 Points
25th = 12 Points
26th = 11 points
27th = 10 points
28th = 9 points
29th = 8 points
30th = 7 points
31st = 6 points
32nd = 5 points

At the end of the season, all drivers completing 10 races or more will be rewarded with a 10 point bonus.

Firstly, the two classes should have seperate points classifications. Currently, a win in the FOX class will be worth only 1 point more than 2nd place. Look at the following examples to see how unfair the system seems at the moment:

1) Driver A competes in 9 races and wins them all, Driver B competes in 12 races and comes 6th in all of them. Driver B would beat driver A by about 10 points.

2) Driver A competes in 11 races and wins 11. Driver B competes in all 12 races and comes 2nd 6 times and 3rd 6 times. Driver A and Driver B would achieve almost identical points totals.

The situation is similar in the Fo8 division. Someone coming last in the Fo8 class would get over 50% as many points as the driver winning the class... which makes no sense whatsoever.

I really think the points system needs to be the same for both classes, and I would suggest something like the MotoGP points classification:

25
20
16
13
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1

Pleeeeaaaase make sure you get the points system right, so many leagues fail to do this. I don't really understand it considering it's importance and the number of real life series to use as an example.

Edit: I was just told that you can drop your worst two scores, which makes the above examples incorrect... I still think that the MotoGP points system would be far better though, with seperate championship classifications for each car.

Gentlefoot

4th June 2007, 14:49

The points system needs to change IMO, at the moment it seems seriously flawed.

This is copied from the GFC forum:

Below are details of the points you will score in the GFC. Only the top 25 finishers will score points.

1st = 40 Points
2nd = 37 Points
3rd = 35 Points
4th = 33 Points
5th = 32 Points
6th = 31 Points
7th = 30 Points
8th = 29 Points
9th = 28 Points
10th = 27 Points
11th = 26 Points
12th = 25 Points
13th = 24 Points
14th = 23 Points
15th = 22 Points
16th = 21 Points
17th = 20 Points
18th = 19 Points
19th = 18 Points
20th = 17 Points
21st = 16 Points
22nd = 15 Points
23rd = 14 Points
24th = 13 Points
25th = 12 Points
26th = 11 points
27th = 10 points
28th = 9 points
29th = 8 points
30th = 7 points
31st = 6 points
32nd = 5 points

At the end of the season, all drivers completing 10 races or more will be rewarded with a 10 point bonus.

Firstly, the two classes should have seperate points classifications. Currently, a win in the FOX class will be worth only 1 point more than 2nd place. Look at the following examples to see how unfair the system seems at the moment:

1) Driver A competes in 9 races and wins them all, Driver B competes in 12 races and comes 6th in all of them. Driver B would beat driver A by about 10 points.

2) Driver A competes in 11 races and wins 11. Driver B competes in all 12 races and comes 2nd 6 times and 3rd 6 times. Driver A and Driver B would achieve almost identical points totals.

The situation is similar in the Fo8 division. Someone coming last in the Fo8 class would get over 50% as many points as the driver winning the class... which makes no sense whatsoever.

I really think the points system needs to be the same for both classes, and I would suggest something like the MotoGP points classification:

25
20
16
13
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
Pleeeeaaaase make sure you get the points system right, so many leagues fail to do this. I don't really understand it considering it's importance and the number of real life series to use as an example.

Edit: I was just told that you can drop your worst two scores, which makes the above examples incorrect... I still think that the MotoGP points system would be far better though, with seperate championship classifications for each car.

We had a lot of discussion with all entrants in the Gentlefoot.com forum about this. Initially I had a system a bit like yours but I changed it because of majority rule. The way we have it now encourages people to race and also encourages people to finish the race even if they are in last place with no hope of coming 2nd to last.

I don't want to separate the classes because I want to finish above some FO8s at the end of the season so separate points would make comparision impossible.

joshdifabio

4th June 2007, 14:54

We had a lot of discussion with all entrants in the Gentlefoot.com forum about this. Initially I had a system a bit like yours but I changed it because of majority rule. The way we have it now encourages people to race and also encourages people to finish the race even if they are in last place with no hope of coming 2nd to last.

I don't want to separate the classes because I want to finish above some FO8s at the end of the season so separate points would make comparision impossible.

But the number of points for a win in the FOX class changes depending on how many FO8s turn up... 5th in one race could be worth more points than 1st in another just because less FO8s finished. I just can't see a single benefit of the current points system, and there are so many benefits to using a different one.

What point is there in having the FOX drivers competing with the FO8 drivers in the same championship when the FO8 is so much faster over 1 lap?

Edit: Also, I think that seperate points classifications makes the classes MORE comparible if you use the same structure. At the moment, a FOX driver will only beat an FO8 driver if the FO8 driver doesn't turn up to some races, or if they have some DNFs. There is also very little motivation to practice thoroughly if there is next to no benefit in placing higher. It's basically just the number of finishes which will determine each driver's championship position with this system.

Edit 2: Just to demonstrate the difference between the cars; the Formula V8 is 20 seconds per lap faster than the Formula XR at AS Historic. What on Earth is the point in trying to have them compete against one another in the championship standings?

Gentlefoot

4th June 2007, 15:14

But the number of points for a win in the FOX class changes depending on how many FO8s turn up

That's right - because we are all competing together.

What point is there in having the FOX drivers competing with the FO8 drivers in the same championship when the FO8 is so much faster over 1 lap?

Because racing isn't just about lap time. I beat an FO8 at the last event.

joshdifabio

4th June 2007, 15:17

That's right - because we are all competing together.
But we aren't. A Formula XR driven by the world's best driver can't compete with a remotely competently driven Formula V8. I don't see any sense in sacrificing fairness within one class just to try and have these completely uneven cars compete with eachother.

Because racing isn't just about lap time. I beat an FO8 at the last event.
Did he retire? If not then he must have been driving with his eyes closed to have been beaten by a formula xr. Wouldn't it be better to have fair competition with everyone in your own class instead of unfair competition with everyone, and the possibility of beating 1 or 2 FO8s in the championship who were unable to finish any races? I don't see how that would even be remotely satisfying.

Gentlefoot

4th June 2007, 15:32

Did he retire?

No he didn't. And I was also on the same lap as Fired Up - only behind by a few seconds and 6 laps ahead of my nearest FOX rival.

joshdifabio

4th June 2007, 15:39

No he didn't. And I was also on the same lap as Fired Up - only behind by a few seconds and 6 laps ahead of my nearest FOX rival.

Looking at the race results, FiredUp pitted 8 times and the pace in that race was generally quite poor. Also, FE Club is not a good indicator of the balance of the cars in general, because it is such a short track and is mainly made up of corners with very little high speed areas. Surely you don't think that this vague hope of beating 1 or 2 Formula V8s each race who either don't finish, pit lots of times, or are hopelessly out of practice, is worth sacrificing a fair points system for?

The Formula V8 that you beat was also over 10% off the WR pace on average, so I don't really think that it's a fair example. You did finish 13 laps behind the winning Formula V8.

Gentlefoot

4th June 2007, 15:43

Looking at the race results, FiredUp pitted 8 times and the pace in that race was generally quite poor. Also, FE Club is not a good indicator of the balance of the cars in general, because it is such a short track and is mainly made up of corners. Surely you don't think that this vague hope of beating 1 or 2 Formula V8s each race who either don't finish, pit lots of times, or are hopelessly out of practice, is worth sacrificing a fair points system for?

The Formula V8 that you beat was also over 10% off the WR pace on average, so I don't really think that it's a fair example. You did finish 13 laps behind the winning Formula V8.

I don't expect to take any FO8 scalps at Aston Historic because it is such a fast circuit. However, at places like SO Long I have a good chance.

Gentlefoot

4th June 2007, 15:44

You did finish 13 laps behind the winning Formula V8.

Yes but I also made 4 pitstops myself - three of which were unsceduled and in the first 50 laps of the race following accidents. So I could have been about 2 or 3 minutes faster!

joshdifabio

4th June 2007, 15:46

I don't expect to take any FO8 scalps at Aston Historic because it is such a fast circuit. However, at places like SO Long I have a good chance.

The Formula XR still takes 11% longer to complete a lap than the Formula V8 at SO Long. If you do beat anyone they will have to have awful race, I don't understand how this can possibly be worth scrapping a fair points system for. Can you give me a link to this discussion that you had about the points system? Maybe there is a good reason for the current system which I have missed, but I can't really imagine that there is.

joshdifabio

4th June 2007, 15:47

Yes but I also made 4 pitstops myself - three of which were unsceduled and in the first 50 laps of the race following accidents. So I could have been about 2 or 3 minutes faster!

And the Formula V8 you beat could have been 10 minutes faster.

Gentlefoot

4th June 2007, 15:53

And the Formula V8 you beat could have been 10 minutes faster.

As I said before - racing is not just about lap time.

You are far more likely to have a big accident in an FO8 than a FOX. They require much more throttle control and this means concentration becomes even more important (especially over 75 mins). For this reason I am confident that I will continue to beat FO8s as the season goes on.

Storm_Cloud

4th June 2007, 15:55

There's no need for a link Josh. Myself and Gentlefoot had exactly the same conversation as you are today with him.

Top and bottom is that Gentlefoot wants to gain kudos from beating FO8s. This will never be on pace but because the FO8 is driven very poorly or they have extreme bad luck. I too do not agree on the whole points system being drawn up for the benefit of one particular situation which is only of interest to one driver (albeit that driver is the series creator), when it creates flaws and anomalies that are suffered by the rest of the field.

However, it is Gentlefoot's series. He can run it how he wishes and take the opinions of everyone or no one when he takes decisions. If we don't like it then we don't have to participate. I don't like it but I will participate :)

joshdifabio

4th June 2007, 15:58

As I said before - racing is not just about lap time.

You are far more likely to have a big accident in an FO8 than a FOX. They require much more throttle control and this means concentration becomes even more important (especially over 75 mins). For this reason I am confident that I will continue to beat FO8s as the season goes on.

Well it doesn't look like I can possibly make any difference here, so I will try not to post again on the subject. However, I don't see how it's worth sacrificing the chance to compete properly with the rest of your own class just so you might be able to compete with 1 or 2 FO8s. It really doesn't make any sense. The Formula V8 is over 10% faster than the Formula XR in all of the tracks you are racing in the GFC. In a 75 minute race that is over 7.5 minutes... the driving will have to be immensely poor for Formula XRs to regularly compete with Formula V8s.

Would it at least be possible to have an overall championship, using the current points distribution, and seperate championships using a sensible system? That way being the last Formula V8 isn't worth half as many points as being the first Formula V8, and there is actually some benefit in trying to win your own class, whereas at the moment your position makes virtually no difference.

.deFINe.

4th June 2007, 16:03

As someone who's interested in racing the league with a fox, i have to say that the points system doesn't exactly seem to reward being quick. Only getting 1p more for a win than for second place doesn't make me want to spend a lot of time practicing for the race ( for the tracks i'm unfamiliar with ), if I can get away with only losing a couple of points by finishing e.g. 4th instead of seriously going for the win. It's good you can drop results from your two weakest races, but i still feel that the championship might be decided more by disconnects and absence than actual racing. Also, such small point differences will encourage passive driving, as in, not risking your position by attempting to overtake etc.

Sorry to be complaining the first thing after registering :)

EDIT: You could still have an overall championship status by using, for example, a multiplier like 0.5 for all the fox points, and compare them to FO8 like that. Results should be rather similar, and you can still beat FO8 drivers in individual races as well as the combined championship :)

Gentlefoot

4th June 2007, 17:18

The Formula XR still takes 11% longer to complete a lap than the Formula V8 at SO Long. If you do beat anyone they will have to have awful race, I don't understand how this can possibly be worth scrapping a fair points system for. Can you give me a link to this discussion that you had about the points system? Maybe there is a good reason for the current system which I have missed, but I can't really imagine that there is.

I might review it at the end of the season. If I have to split it out it'll mean more work for me too which at the moment isn't helpful.

keithano

5th June 2007, 04:03

Gentlefoot

5th June 2007, 08:56

There's now only 1 guaranteed slot left for race 1. I will accept up to 10 reserves as there are usually several no shows. 7 failed to turn up last time from an entry list of 26. This grid will have 32 cars on it so I expect at least as many no shows as at FE Club.

joshdifabio

5th June 2007, 10:19

Hey josh, are you entering this event BTW? FOX or F08? :P Wanna have some racings with you ..haha
Me, Misan and FiredUp are racing the FO8, .deFINe. is racing the FOX :).

keithano

5th June 2007, 11:38

Me, Misan and FiredUp are racing the FO8, .deFINe. is racing the FOX :).

aww.. .deFINe. is racing for FOX... that means i am guaranteed that I can't get the championship. Anyway, I am missing the first and second round due to final exams :( Good luck , guys!

Gentlefoot

12th June 2007, 11:11

I have just made a rule change for the GFC. Rule 3.1 regarding yellow flags has been amended. No passing is allowed under yellows. See http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107 for the discussion that led to this change. See http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26 to read the rules.

I have mass emailed all members to ensure everyone is aware of this change.

GF

nigelpm

12th June 2007, 15:20

Gentlefoot

12th June 2007, 15:54

FWIW, I really like the points system.

It gives equal chance to beginners willing to put the commitment in, as faster drivers who mightn't turn up for every event.

I think GF should be praised for having the kudos to try something a bit different. It might not work but as he says it can be reviewed at the end of the season.

A league isn't just about pace but commitment and stamina! :)

Thanks Nigel - a fellow FOX driver who likes the current system :)

The other interesting affect of this system is that if you are in a FOX and you do manage to win your class and get in front of an FO8 or two you get a bigger points advantage over the second place FOX.

Gentlefoot

14th June 2007, 08:46

felplacerad

14th June 2007, 09:00

unghh,

Check your inbox.

CELTIC100

14th June 2007, 09:09

+1 enjoyed last night Gentle the racing was alot better than when patch X first came out :thumb:

See you tonight time permitting :D

Dru

14th June 2007, 09:14

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who visited the server last night. The standard of driving was excellent for a public server even when we had 20 cars on the grid. FO8 drivers, even randoms, were very well behaved and FOXs and FO8s could enjoy the racing equally.

I had the best fun I've had on a public server in a very long time. I felt really proud that we've achieved something a bit different from all the other servers.

Hey GF.

Yes, i have to agree that this format is unusual but also fun... for instance the ZWR guys are regulalry leaving the pits late, but still can have fun with the chase up through the field to try and pass the FOX's but also more importantly 'safely'

There is obviously a learning curve to be had and although the responsability of the over taking of the FOX's is purely the FO8's responsability i do feel the need to just say a few words about the standard of some FOX drivers race craft..

(your's is excellent btw) and i trust you completely by the way :D that you will stick to your line and allow me to go around you, the problem is the guys who say just before the final hairpin at Aston will stay tight on the right hand curve before so you go to pass/sweep around on the left, then they straight line the left hand kink only to either take you out or push you on the grass.

it's only a few people, however i know you get this in pickup races, i was wondering if you could make something that went along the lines of 'holding your line' a little clearer meaning that 2 cars can comfortably go side by side for most of the lap, its just i swear some people are in a word of their own or have an MP3 player going or have no mirrors on there setups :shrug:

This little annoyance does not take away how refreshing this server/combo/championship will be :thumb:

Regards Dru.

Dru

14th June 2007, 09:15

+1 enjoyed last night Gentle the racing was alot better than when patch X first came out :thumb:

See you tonight time permitting :D

Hey Celtic, please would you mind reading my above post as unfortunately you were one of them i'm afraid :shrug:

Gentlefoot

14th June 2007, 09:34

Dru

14th June 2007, 09:48

The FOXs really don't cause too many problems in my view. FO8s are taking a risk by passing them in any corner. A risk which I view as unnesesary because they have the power to blast past at the next straight instead.

If an FO8 follows a FOX into the final chicane and the FOX is on the right hand side ready to turn in, then the FO8 should only make a pass there if they can get fully past before the 1st apex on the left kerb. The FOXs only have one line throught that corner. They can't be expected to delay their turn in to let an FO8 past because they simply won't make it through the chicane without virtually stopping.

In addition, if you are in an FO8 and you have a FOX in front of you then either you are incredibly slow, you started the race late, or you are recovering from an accident. For this reason the FOX deserves the utmost respect from you. They are ahead of you on the track and they only have half the power you have!

In addition, sometimes FO8s come up on FOXs so fast that they don't see them coming. FO8s should remember this. I nearly turned in on one cos I just didn't know he was there.

FOXs should be reminded that they should make it easy for FO8s to pass too. It's up to you whether you leave the door open for the FO8s at corner entry. FO8s remember that a FOX at a normal turn in point may look to you like they are leaving the door open but they may not be. If you go for the pass you may find them shut the door because they were expecting you to wait for the straight.

At the end of the day we have to almost read it others minds. That is why this form of racing is so challenging and satisfying.

LOL

you are a talented man if you can read someones mind GF, thats what my point was about, certain people you can trust, others you can not......yet.

maybe it will take 2-3 races to actually know which cars you can pass safely and others you need to take 'additional' care with..

like i said in the post, the main problem i have is coming up to a fox, slowing down to along side them to pass them 'safely' and they just don't give a cars width to go through.

Like i said i could understnd if if i was on full powerand came up and tried to pass without lifting when the car in front is commited to a corner, but since that i was lifting to the same pace as the FOX and making a geniune 'pass' meaning alongside, i still feel that at least a car's width should be left....

but heck not everyones race craft is up there yet... like i mentioned hopefully after a few rounds the situation will be completely gone :D

Gentlefoot

14th June 2007, 10:07

LOL

you are a talented man if you can read someones mind GF, thats what my point was about, certain people you can trust, others you can not......yet.

maybe it will take 2-3 races to actually know which cars you can pass safely and others you need to take 'additional' care with..

like i said in the post, the main problem i have is coming up to a fox, slowing down to along side them to pass them 'safely' and they just don't give a cars width to go through.

Like i said i could understnd if if i was on full powerand came up and tried to pass without lifting when the car in front is commited to a corner, but since that i was lifting to the same pace as the FOX and making a geniune 'pass' meaning alongside, i still feel that at least a car's width should be left....

but heck not everyones race craft is up there yet... like i mentioned hopefully after a few rounds the situation will be completely gone :D

The judicial process will make all things become clear in time. Soon we will have a set of case law to refer to. At the moment it is hard to discuss such things because there are such a variety of situations.

I think it may be helpful to refer to these rules at this point.

2.1 Always avoid contact with another driver and give him room. Never move off the racing line if it will result in contact.
2.2 If you attempt a pass on another driver, give him opportunity to see you coming and ensure you have adequate overlap.
2.3 If a driver attempts a pass on you and has sufficient overlap you must leave space for them at the apex.

The above rules apply to both FOXs and FO8s so if a FOX turns in on you and doesn't leave space at the apex when you have sufficient overlap then the FOX is at fault.

If the FO8 fails to stay tight to the apex and contact is made then it would be the FO8s fault. See http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/gfcjudicialvideo.html - the example entitled Lap 82 Celtic100, The End is a perfect example of this.

Specific Rules For FO8s

2.11 Making contact with a FOX while passing or lapping is absolutely unacceptable and will be met with stiff penalties.

Specific Rules For FOXs

2.12 Making any attempt to block the path of a lapping FO8 is absolutely unacceptable and will be met with stiff penalties.

These words have been chosen carefully so please, read these rules carefully too. :)

Nobo

14th June 2007, 10:27

Nice judicial videos! Every well known league should do that :D
You really take a lot of effort there!

garph

14th June 2007, 10:40

....my incident was lag, like I proved :shy:

Gentlefoot

14th June 2007, 10:57

Nice judicial videos! Every well known league should do that :D
You really take a lot of effort there!

Cheers mate. Maybe you will join us sometime :)

Dru

14th June 2007, 11:17

Nice judicial videos! Every well known league should do that :D
You really take a lot of effort there!

Agree +1 :D

sinkoman

14th June 2007, 11:33

Prior to the race, during preperations, I think it'd be nice if you announced which sections of the track were decidedly dangerous to pass in. Not outright ban passing in them, but just a little reminder, ye know like, "passing in the following corners should be done with utmost care, as they are certainly not the most ideal points to do so...".

I saw far too many people passing seconds before, or INTO the first and last chicanes while I was racing the other night. Got REALLY irritating.

Dru

14th June 2007, 11:46

Gentlefoot

14th June 2007, 11:56

People have to learn the tracks for themselves. Every situation is different and some places where I would never try a pass I end up passing someone because they drifted off line or whatever. Also, there is always a lot of chat and restart votes prior to the race. It's hard enough to get in a quick "FO8s be careful coming from the back of the grid" message. :)

Having said that, I would say that anyone attempting to pass at eau rouge on lap 1 needs there heads examined. There is always an accident there. I do the complete opposite on lap 1 and back off the give myself space to avoid the crashers. OK I lose a fraction of a second but I make it through there. It doesn't affect the finishing positions if you lift a bit more there for lap 1. Look at my results from last night. One race I started 21st on the grid and finished 6th in a race with 10 FO8s in it. :)

CELTIC100

14th June 2007, 12:11

To be honest dru IMO you were at fault as I held my racing line, you tried to ram yourself up the inside of the second apex and found my fox at the apex before you with the result of you cutting the corner across the grass to avoid me as you was behind me in the race I had the right to keep to my natural line ( I did not deviate or block) in this instance but where I did get caught out was in the next braking zone for the hairpin as you obviously slowed due to your grasstracking I was right behind you and I did not realise that the FO8's brake 30 Yrds earlier than the Fox's hence I got caught out and went up your rear, I did try to apologise after the race for that but never got to send it as the next race started rather quickly so I never got to send it so please accept my late apology.

What I did notice was that the FO8 drivers vote to start races a little quick before some of the Fox's have finished and this for some fox drivers mean we get no restbite between races as one race finshes the next race starts - suppose though I'll just have to get quicker ;)

And I agree that the FO8's and some fox's try some insane passes around the two Chicanes, I really find it hilarious watching the Visitor FO8 drivers spinning out behind me at the top of the First chicane cause they got too close and lost all downforce cause I was ahead of them :D

anyway as long as we keep learning from our mistakes I have no problem with it as its generally clean or at least it was last night.

sinkoman

14th June 2007, 12:16

good idea,

however, i'm guessing that you are talking about people overtaking you in your 'braking zone' before sweeping into the chicanes rights?

Nah, i'm talking about people who, for some reason, think their car is glued to the track or something, and believe that they have the grip and momentum to overtake me in what i'd say is basically a series of switchbacks.

EDIT: Oh my goodness, I don't mean to go offtopic, but was anybody else there when that Team Core vs Vicky argument began?

And then adam started parading around as an admin! There were spurts of text shooting left and right "HOLY COW YOU'RE A HORRIBLE ADMIN", or "Wow, they really need to redo the administration on this server", and adam just kept replying "I didn't see ANYTHING :|", till eventually somebody just went "You guys are so thick. I think it's obvious by now that adam isn't an admin".

It was pure hilarity. Somebody really needs to ban Vicky, but it was still good fun to watch :D

And I agree that the FO8's and some fox's try some insane passes around the two Chicanes, I really find it hilarious watching the Visitor FO8 drivers spinning out behind me at the top of the First chicane cause they got too close and lost all downforce cause I was ahead of them

It's funny till they decided that whilst the entire 20+ car pack is passing is the best moment to rejoin the race...

I'm not even joking, I was laughing my head off till suddenly the same prick I was getting a rise off floors his throttle back onto the racetrack, spins out RIGHT INFRONT OF MY LINE.....

SWERVE! BOOOOOOOOOOOM!

That was my main complaint last night, I sure hope it isn't like that during the season :(. I lost track of how many accidents were caused by some fool trying to rejoin in the middle of the pack.

Dru

14th June 2007, 12:42

To be honest dru IMO you were at fault as I held my racing line, you tried to ram yourself up the inside of the second apex and found my fox at the apex before you with the result of you cutting the corner across the grass to avoid me as you was behind me in the race I had the right to keep to my natural line ( I did not deviate or block) in this instance but where I did get caught out was in the next braking zone for the hairpin as you obviously slowed due to your grasstracking I was right behind you and I did not realise that the FO8's brake 30 Yrds earlier than the Fox's hence I got caught out and went up your rear, I did try to apologise after the race for that but never got to send it as the next race started rather quickly so I never got to send it so please accept my late apology.

Hey Celtic,

Don't worry about the second incident - you don't have to apologise for that mate :thumb:

Regarding the first incident, 'holding a racing line through an s-bend with someone alongside you is not a good idea tbh......my last comment on it is if someone is alongside side and you can run 2 wide through that kink easily and you take a straight line through it then you will end up causing an accident :shrug: . As i was alongside side when we were both on the right hand section before you going to the left, i assumed that you a had seen me, b would leave room ... but anyway whats done is done :shrug: lets just say i'm glad it happened in a practice session and not the actual race :D

CELTIC100

14th June 2007, 13:42

Sorry dru I did not realise you had got along side me I glanced in the mirror B4 first apex and you was about 50 yrds behind so held my line as guided in the rules and the next thing i know your grass tracking on the left of me :oops: so sorry I did not realise you had got into that position.

I expected you to go around the other side (wide Line) and just ease away from me on the straight up to the hairpin - the thing is the GF guide states that Fox's should stay on the racing line and the FO8's should Navigate around the fox so taking the apex off the fox is the risky route cause thats my part of the track if the guide is to be followed.

Anyway next time you brake that early expect me to take my piosition back :D

Gentlefoot

14th June 2007, 13:45

I am going to watch the replay of this Vicki person tonight. If what has been said it correct they will be banned.

Someone mentioned someone pulling back on track after an accident. Rule time again:

"2.6 When recovering from a spin you must give way to cars already proceeding on track."

This server clearly states it is run to GFC rules. That also now means no passing under yellow which does seem to stop accidents becoming pile ups.

count.bazley

14th June 2007, 14:40

Oh god that Vicky was horrendous, she caused so many accidents and then tried to abuse us all afterwards.

DeadWolfBones

14th June 2007, 14:52

Yeah, some of the most retarded trolling I've seen in my 4 years of LFSing.

You should really consider turning on the kick/ban voting when there are no admins around.

Gentlefoot

14th June 2007, 14:56

There were two admins. Unfortunately I left just before it kicked off and adam didn't see the incidents. Even if there were more admins on there it doesn't guarantee that everything is spotted. Sorry but there won't be any kick/ban voting on my server. I hate it.

There would be more admins but unfortunately I have only had 4 volunteers so far.

I have only had to ban 1 person and kick about 4 so far in over a month. Generally there are very few problems on the server.

DeadWolfBones

14th June 2007, 14:59

Alright. But not having voting on when there are no admins around means that trolls and wreckers have free reign to completely shut down normal racing operations.

As for Adam not seeing anything... maybe he needs to visit an optometrist. Even if he didn't see any of the wrecking "Vicky" did, he couldn't have missed the unprovoked verbal abuse and blatant trolling. Toward the end of the ordeal, Vicky was camped out on the front stretch taking potshots at the leaders as they came by the start/finish line. There's no debating this.

Gentlefoot

14th June 2007, 15:14

Very rare that there is no admin on there so this isn't an issue and will become even less so when I get some more volunteers.

sinkoman

14th June 2007, 22:24

Gentlefoot

14th June 2007, 22:49

:O

So adam IS an admin???

:ouch:
Yep - sure is

sinkoman

15th June 2007, 00:09

Yep - sure is

Well, i've checked my schedule, and i'll most likely be missing this sunday's race :(

Anybody know where the next one is?

Gentlefoot

15th June 2007, 08:57

Thanks for letting me know mate - I've removed you now and sent you a PM about events schedule.

Tonight at 19:00 - 21:00 GMT the GFC server will be password protected. This will allow GFC drivers to test on longer runs. The first hour will be set to practice. If there are enough of us for a decent race, we will use the second hour for this. Passwords will be available in the members only section of the forum. See http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116

and

http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewforum.php?f=31

GF

Gentlefoot

15th June 2007, 10:43

Just reading the Halfords Fun Event thread and Lord Blaster made an interesting suggestion for qualifying.

He says that he has competed in some events where they do single lap qualifying like F1 in 2005. One car goes out and does one qualifying lap, then as they cross the line the second car leaves the pits. This means everyone else can watch each drivers quali lap. Should make for good entertainment and real pressure for the driver. Would mean quali would take quite a while on long circuits like Aston Historic but I think it would be cool to be able to watch each drivers style.

Nerves of steal would be needed because each driver would have one chance and one chance only. A bit of organisation would be required. We could go out in the order in which we entered or maybe we could do all FO8s first followed by all FOXs, or we could go in the finishing order from the previous race.

What do you all think?

Dru

15th June 2007, 11:47

32 cars, waiting until the car infront has dones its out lap.. aston historic is 2m 10 for a fo8 and 2m 30 for the FOX.

Now assuming that it starts on time and you have an order and people stick to it, it'll take an hour at least for qualifying :shrug: then a 15 minute break then a 75 minute race..... that will be quite a long session, also for people who qualify first, they then have to do nothing for an hour... or the other way, people will have to wait for upto an hour...

nice idea, but for sim racing maybe a bit impractical and long winded :shrug:

Also with the race being late sunday anyway, 9pm start isn't it so thats racing at then 10 so it'll finish past 11 in the UK which is gone midnight in Europe???

Gentlefoot

15th June 2007, 12:09

Thats true so I have made an alternative suggestion in the forum.

Cars enter the track in 40 second intervals. i.e. at Aston when the first car get to the first split more or less. This would result in about 25 mins qualifying for a 30 car grid. It was also mean that you would get to see at least 20 runs (ok a third of each run :) ).

Dru

15th June 2007, 12:27

arggghhhhh! split forums posting.... now getting confused.. :schwitz:

CELTIC100

15th June 2007, 12:51

I Propose two 15 Minute sessions ...... 1 For FOX The Other For FO8's which would result in Drivers getting in 2 x 3 lap sessions to set a time.

and to split the qualifying just to cut down on the inevitable incidents that would occour if you run the two classes together.

The last thing I want to do being a Fox driver is to have to run offline risking an off and Damage to the car on my outlap just to keep out of the way of FO8's that are on a flying lap.

Would make the admins work alot easier as well.

Gentlefoot

15th June 2007, 13:58

Thing is accidents are not really an issue in qualifying because anyone can telepit whenever they want.

I like the hectic quali sessions, can lead to slightly mixed up grids which is good for racing.

It'll be tough round Aston Historic because the laps are so long none of us will have many attempts at getting a clean lap in.

I would be reluctant to split the groups because it will either mean another server or two separate qualifying times. Also, it'll mean having to set the grid up manually which will be time consuming with 32 cars.

Just thought I'd suggest the single lap qualifying to see what the reaction was. It has it's advantages but I starting to think it's all just too much effort.

AlienT.

21st June 2007, 00:16

Hi Gentlefoot,

I was on your server for the first time tonight running my first laps in the FOX. I started pretty slow (1:45) and by the end of the evening managed to get down to some consistent 1:42's while thoroughly enjoying myself :). Takes a bit of getting used to these non-tin tops!

Edit 1:41.8 this morning....getting quicker..slowly )

As such I was wondering if I could possibly join your challenge and perhaps be put on the reserve list for the next event? I have never entered an organised event before and am a bit nervous of the prospect but would like to give it a try as I now feel comfortable that I could particpate without ruining anyones race due to my noobness.

I have read the challenge rules and registered in your forum anyway, so you can tell me what you think?

My Racer name :- Struan [><]
Entry preference would be the FOX

Oh and on another subject, how the heck does Moose qualify for the Rookie of the year event lol, have you seen that man driving! (Sorry Moose had to say something hehe :D)

The Moose

21st June 2007, 13:17

Oh and on another subject, how the heck does Moose qualify for the Rookie of the year event lol, have you seen that man driving! (Sorry Moose had to say something hehe :D)

lol...i qualify for 'rookie of the year' because of my total lack of experience in the F08. Luckily I'm adapting to it quite quickly:)

Nice to see you joining up:thumbsup:

Dru

21st June 2007, 13:20

lol...i qualify for 'rookie of the year' because of my total lack of experience in the F08. Luckily I'm adapting to it quite quickly:)

Nice to see you joining up:thumbsup:

lol

yeah, also bear in mind that as a rookie we at ZWR are taking a heck of a risk on him :really: :razz: :razz: :thumb:

Gentlefoot

21st June 2007, 15:45

I bet I could be an FO8 rookie next season. :) Might go for that.

Nick A

5th July 2007, 11:47

It was a fantastic race last weekend for those who missed it. Some really close racing and very few incidents. A video is being put together at the moment which I'm sure will be posted here as soon as it's done.

Entries for the next race are already full! Still some reserve places left though.

sinkoman

8th July 2007, 11:47

I was wondering if somebody could help me with my fuel and tire strategy.

My tires seem to be a big problem at the moment. The R2s really don't seem to be holding up too well. Even after a tonne of warmup laps, they don't seem to yield much grip, and they seem to become useless, wear wise, after around 20 laps. I've not tested the R1s on this set for longevity, but I can lap much better with them, around -1.5 seconds!

And I really have no idea what i'm doing when it comes to fuel... I was thinking that since I really don't mind too much where I place (IE not trying to be too aggressive), I could probably get by with a one pit strategy, but loading up my fuel early on, but I really don't know how this'll coincide with my tire wear.

count.bazley

8th July 2007, 13:52

You definately want to be using R1's, they last long enough if you are not continuously sliding and locking up. I think at some tracks it is definately possible to run the enitre race on just one set of R1's, only having to pit for fuel. Not competing at Fern Bay so I can't really comment on the track specifics.

Gentlefoot

8th July 2007, 16:05

Yeah - R1s all the way. They go through a hot stage but then as they get thin they cool nicely. While they are hot you just have to be careful not to use more lock than absolutely necesary.

creativesurgeon

13th July 2007, 14:43

Hi chaps,

Been reading this thread / forum for a while now. How are figures looking? I'd love to join the action, but obviously don't want to spend forever on a reserve rosta...

garph

13th July 2007, 14:50

Hi chaps,

Been reading this thread / forum for a while now. How are figures looking? I'd love to join the action, but obviously don't want to spend forever on a reserve rosta...
The races so far have been full but......you have to enter the league then enter each individual race you want to take part in.

Entry for a race opens when the previous race is done, so if you enter fast you get in the race or choose not to enter that race at all.

This means even tho you would be entering late you are not at the back of some league long entry list. Entry lists go from race to race. Hope that makes sense.

http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/index.php

Gentlefoot

13th July 2007, 15:52

Its also worth mentioning that by sheer fluke so far we have had 32 cars on each grid and yet not a single reserve has been dissappointed.

Looks like we may not quite fill the grid at the next one - there are always a few no shows.

Oh, and btw - there is practice race tonight at 21:00 UK time if you fancy it.

sinkoman

15th July 2007, 20:48

Not the best of races for me, crashed out twice :(

First time I made it back to the pits without getting blue flagged, second time, I crashed because I was under a blue flag :P

In any case, I suppose this means i'm out of the season, but I think there needs to be some rule preventing people from using the blue flag as a cover for passing the chap ahead of them. It happened to me twice, i'd be moving off my line in the straight to let somebody pass, and then i'd try to retake my line after they pass, only to find that some wise crack who was behind me thought it'd be a good idea to use my line change as an opportunity to take back the line, and i'd need to swerve out to avoid hitting anybody.

:(

Storm_Cloud

15th July 2007, 23:53

I am afraid that is just part of racing and you need to be more switched on when being lapped. Sometimes you lose out, but that's racing.

sinkoman

16th July 2007, 01:03

I am afraid that is just part of racing and you need to be more switched on when being lapped. Sometimes you lose out, but that's racing.

Well, I realize that, but they'll do it unsafely and idiotically too, like into chicanes and stuff, and with EXTREMELY reckless abandon.

Gabkicks

16th July 2007, 01:22

thx for the "race" GFC staff. :tilt:

I got hit on the 1st corner of the 1st lap, lost my concentration and crashed... :( fell back to 30th place and then worked my way back up to 5th. If it werent for the FOX's slowing me down, i probably would have blown my tires so i guess i should thank them.:scratchch

jamesrowe

16th July 2007, 09:29

How crap, got from about 7th to 2nd on first lap, held that for about 7 laps until I out braked myself at t1 thinking my tyres were ready for such braking. Then on the same lap I spun before the last corner. This devoted me to about 6th, I hot lapped with lots of fuel for 30 or so laps which got me to 4th. I completely forgot that the fo8s lap us about 15 times, so I had much to much fuel no after my one and only pit stop.

I raced around in 4th, then down the bottom of the hill, got the left wheels on the grass and bang... rolled the car, that was that on about lap 45. How crap :(

Storm_Cloud

16th July 2007, 09:35

Well, I realize that, but they'll do it unsafely and idiotically too, like into chicanes and stuff, and with EXTREMELY reckless abandon.

That's not what you said, you wanted people to not be allowed to overtake you when you were being shown a blue flag. Reckless overtaking is reckless overtaking, whatever the circumstance, I don't see what the blue flag has to do with it.

CELTIC100

16th July 2007, 09:55

Gentlefoot

16th July 2007, 09:58

Race results and replays are now available at http://gentlefoot.com

Gentlefoot

16th July 2007, 11:14

Entries are now being accepted for Race 4 of the GFC at Aston Grand Prix Reversed.

Gabkicks

16th July 2007, 12:45

I think he means other Fox's taking advantage of a situation when FO8's are lapping a group of Fox's, but thats part of the skill of racing if you watch Le man series or the GTR Duel Class series it is seen as a bonafied opertunity to pass your class peers in this situation, if you left the door open thats your concern but if the pass was dangerous then use the report system and the relevant decision will be made.
One time an F08 slowed down because of a blueflag in front of me and i snuck by, but i guess he didnt see me and hit me and spun out. i was already so far past him that he just hit my rear tire IIRC.

i tried not to interrupt battles between foxes and i waited even if it slowed me down alot.

DeKo

16th July 2007, 12:51

I think i did pretty well in being patient behind the FOX's. Most got out my way when it was safe to do so, but following them through the esses was an absolute nightmare. I made the same dodgy move on onion twice, round the outside, but thats when i was really on the march to try and get 7th.

CELTIC100

16th July 2007, 14:52

The problem was the 3rd corner of the esses complex as the fox's needed to use the whole road to navigate successfully IE start wide - hit apex - run wide, the FO8's would dive in an pinch the apex causing the Fox driver to run wide onto the grass, happened to me twice causing me to spin twice, so after that I had to go defensive through there to stop the FO8's passing at that spot, Remember the FOX has right to racing line and it is the onus of the FO8 driver to make a clean pass, so sorry if I held you up as I stated over on the GF Forum it was a case of self preservation.

Gentlefoot

17th July 2007, 09:28

The grid for race 3 of the GFC is now full. However there are always several dropouts and there are 15 reserve spaces available for anyone who is interested in trying this extremely challenging format.

Gentlefoot

17th July 2007, 10:14

A polling system has now been introduced so the GFC community are the jurers. This has been introduced for the first time in round 3. Visit the members only area of the forum top see how this system works.

Gentlefoot

17th July 2007, 15:03

Round scores and Standings are now available including adjusted totals (2 lowest scores dropped).

Gentlefoot

24th July 2007, 09:47

The GFC community boasts some of the fastest drivers in the world. For the upcoming event at Aston Grand Prix Reverse the FO8 class has the top two times in the world on the FO8 hotlap rank and FOX drivers have the 1st and 3rd fastest times in the world in the FOX rank.

Pretty impressive huh :)

Gentlefoot

30th July 2007, 11:54

An extremely successful event race 5! All results, replays, stats, standings post race chat can be viewed at:

http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/index.php

count.bazley

31st July 2007, 13:26

I must say it was a fantastic race, just a shame that we didn't manage a full grid this time. I imagine BL1 will be fully packed, though.

Nick A

31st July 2007, 13:35

Yeah, there must be plenty of Redliners out there who would fancy this.

Gentlefoot

1st August 2007, 08:53

Entries are slow on this occassion. Surprising as you would think there were plenty of racers out there who might fancy running at Blackwood.

Gabkicks

1st August 2007, 09:00

i would have entered... but my pedal's broken, and i will be out of the country for 2 weeks in august.:shrug:

Gentlefoot

4th August 2007, 11:21

i would have entered... but my pedal's broken, and i will be out of the country for 2 weeks in august.:shrug:

Sorry to hear that mate - look forward to seeing you back.

There are still 5 spots available for round 5!

Got to http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum to enter

Gentlefoot

13th August 2007, 08:34

Race 5 was a great success. Have a read of the post race reports to see what happened. There are also stats and standings available already. All this can be found at:

http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/

Entries are now open for Race 6 - South City Long Reverse. Gonna be tough. Sign up if you think you're good enough :)

Gentlefoot

13th August 2007, 08:50

I have now set the GFC server to South City Long Reverse in preparation for the next event.

Nick A

17th August 2007, 12:22

Still a week to practice, and still places left, so get your entries in! It's a great and challenging track this. Takes a bit of practice but once you get the hang of it it's a thrill to drive round!

Gentlefoot

26th August 2007, 23:56

I am now accepting entries for race 7 of the GFC at Kyoto GP long. All FO8 entrants may want to study my track guide for a nice fast time. :)

Gentlefoot

27th August 2007, 12:34

Results and statistics are now available for round 6 of the GFC

Results and stats:
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=218

Standings:
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150

Replays:
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=219

Post Race Chat:
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=217

Gentlefoot

27th August 2007, 22:11

Voting is currently in progress for the judicial review for race 6. Please visit the forum to vote if you are a member:

http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum

Gentlefoot

29th August 2007, 13:46

Voting is now in progress for the points penalties for race 6. Please visit the forum to vote if you are a member:

Gentlefoot

31st August 2007, 10:46

All votes have been counted and verified :)

The penalties have now been applied to the GFC Standings spreadsheet along with a whole load of statistical information. You can now see performance indicators for any driver by using the "My Performance" worksheet. It shows round by round performance both overall and within class.

Where you see the big red "14" (I'm on row 14 on the "Standings" worksheet) enter the row in which the round scores appear for the driver you want to see, save and then reopen the Excel file. The data will be populated.

The "Trends" worksheet shows the performance of the GFC as a whole in terms of attendance.

Also there's some driver performance statistics based on how many drivers show up and how many people finish the race.

Let me know if you think it's helpful. It's quite cool checking out your competitors stats

I will add more stuff as I think of it

http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150

Enjoy.

Gentlefoot

10th September 2007, 08:35

Results, statistics, replays and championship standings and driver performance have all been updated following race 7 of the GFC. See
http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/

I am now accepting entries for race 8 at Westhill International.

indie

23rd September 2007, 23:47

Hey

Glad to be back on racing with you guys after this huge break.

I decided to race 3 or 4 hours before the race and had no clue that the tricky chicane were going to put so much damage on your suspension, i had a difficult time dealing with that plus the time i spent without racing with fox made almost impossible to be as fast as needed, besides that, and please don't laugh either way :schwitz: i use a r1 r1 tyre setup, the one that were in the setup i've chosen to qualify heheh.
It wasn't so bad until the sand trap, i was almost to continue, but i was lapped and gave in.

Anyway i almost didn't remember how fun it is to deal with the mix cup GF made for us, i'm glad to have raced today and hope to be in for the rest of the season.

And the new look from both the forum and the site are great, really silky the forum heheh, great job Gentle, keep it up :nod: :thumb:

Gentlefoot

15th October 2007, 09:11

Good to have you back mate. I enjoyed our races at the start of the season.

I have some fantastic news for you all!

As from season 2 of the GFC onwards the winner of each class will win a genuine quality trophy to keep and remind you of your achievements in the GFC.

greg_slideways

10th May 2008, 22:33

I want to get into this But I havnt signed up yet is it too late?

Nick A

11th May 2008, 07:05

No, you can enter at any time. We've got race 3 of Season 3 today, so you're just in time for that.

To enter, visit the forum at

http://gentlefoot.com//LFS/forum/index.php

Have a read of the rules, sign up and a look through the previous judicial videos and decisions. Then send Gentlefoot a PM telling him your LFS username and which series (GFC or GTTC) you want to enter.

Look forward to seeing you on track :)

Gentlefoot

28th May 2008, 11:39

At the last GTTC race we had 30 entrants for qualifying but one fella had to leave before the race so we were down to 29 for the grid.

In the GFC we had 24 cars on the grid.

So, if you are thinking about entering the next race at Kyoto National (many drivers favourite) you'd better get your entries in now as I think we may well fill both grids for this one.

Hope to see one or two new faces there on Sunday 8th June. :)

Gentlefoot

11th June 2008, 15:09

Dru

17th June 2008, 21:06

Owing to the fact that gentlefoot.com has been unable to find a sponsor and because members refuse to donate even small amounts to cover the running costs of the servers and the web host it is with regret that I have taken the decision to stop running these leagues.

The last of the Challenge events will be held on 22nd June 2008.

There will be no judicial review process available for incidents in these final races.

This is a shame indeed... any chance that the community (not necessarily the members) can help you out at all?

For instance - what are you needing?

A server and some webhosting?

Gentlefoot

18th June 2008, 10:07

This is a shame indeed... any chance that the community (not necessarily the members) can help you out at all?

For instance - what are you needing?

A server and some webhosting?

Its not the server or webhosting that is the issue although I do have huge bandwidth and disk space requirements with all the judicial review and videos and stuff.

I have had large numbers of offers for servers and hosting which is nice nevertheless :)

The issue is the 10-20 hours per week I was spending on running the events.

Anyway, there is a plan to move forward now and you can read all about it in the gentlefoot.com forum if you wish.

Dru

19th June 2008, 16:00

Its not the server or webhosting that is the issue although I do have huge bandwidth and disk space requirements with all the judicial review and videos and stuff.

I have had large numbers of offers for servers and hosting which is nice nevertheless :)

The issue is the 10-20 hours per week I was spending on running the events.

Anyway, there is a plan to move forward now and you can read all about it in the gentlefoot.com forum if you wish.

Ah ok - well thats fair enuff - its just your post said due to money, lack of sponse etc etc that you were closing - not cause its requires 10 hours plus of your time a week - I can understand that reasonin a heart beat.

GL m8 and I'll come and popo by the forum to have a butchers.

Regards,

Dru