Start Time Discussion

[Arrow.]

What would be the best Start Time for everyone?

10:00UTC
11:00UTC
20:00UTC
21:00UTC

[jamesrowe]

20:00utc...

[traxxion]

20:00utc...
^

[BenjiMC]

A poll? anyways 11:00 UTC i have to look after IGTC and would like to see both

[Jonesy_]

20 utc

[DeadWolfBones]

20:00 UTC should work fine for US teams so long as it's a weekend race.

[Arrow.]

Would 21UTC be fine if we have 1 hour races and 20min Qualifying?

[DeadWolfBones]

Sure. :]

[LFSn00b]

If i am racing, i want to suggest 18 pm. UTC

[BenjiMC]

If i am racing, i want to suggest 18 pm. UTC


18 o'clock? gosh thats late Niko :p

[shaGuar]

If i am racing, i want to suggest 18 pm. UTC

That is not going to happend, that would be like 04.00 for the aussies.

[Jonesy_]

If i am racing, i want to suggest 18 pm. UTC

I sure hope not.

[[DUcK]]

Would 21UTC be fine if we have 1 hour races and 20min Qualifying?
sounds not bad.
this is a silly idea but i kinda want to put it through... most leagues these days are doing longer distance racing, 1 hour or 50 lappers or whatever...
i thought what if we have 3x 10 - 15 lap races?
you would start where you finished each race, in the next one. instead of having a big 1hr race, that you would practise for ages for.. get a good qual, then get hit off on the start, you'd be able to haev another 2 chances. just a thought, though i think it would be pretty good.
races would stay closer that way anyway, and maybe every now and then we can have a long distance race?

[Davo]

MNR stylee i see. :) 3 races totoally 1 hour all up would be good, with a the finale in the GTRs being a 4 hour enduro each team enters 1 car with 2 drivers.

[RaDuS]

20

[BenjiMC]

or like BTCC where iirc you qually for the first race, reverse grid second race, and qually for last race?

[r4ptor]

20:00 Utc

[Arni Arnason]

I think we should stick to 20.00 UTC :thumb:

[[DUcK]]

Ouch... still want us aussies to get up at 5.30 am!!!! :x

[[DUcK]]

or like BTCC where iirc you qually for the first race, reverse grid second race, and qually for last race?

sounds pretty cool! thatd be fun

[Arrow.]

Ok,

20UTC
30min Qualifying and 50lap races
or

21UTC
20min Qualifying and 1 hour race

[traxxion]

20UTC
20min Qualifying and 1 hour race
:thumbsup:

[Greboth]

21UTC
20min Qualifying and 1 hour race

Sounds better to me due to the 1 hour race (instead of set laps.)

Would prefer
20UTC

30min Qualifying and 1 hour race

Though it may mess times up for people around the world.

[jamesrowe]

If i am racing, i want to suggest 18 pm. UTC

Doubt you will be racing :p :razz:

On topic:
20:00 UTC is much better! For most anyhow.

[Nobo]

If our application has success i think 21 UTC would be best for our team.

[Foqs]

21UTC
20min Qualifying and 1 hour race

sounds good, better for me

[jamesrowe]

sounds good, better for me
No one cares about you Foqsy :x:razz: Love you really :D

[PaulC2K]

20 UTC (21 wouldnt be a problem i guess)
Prefer the idea of multiple short races than 1 long one, stuff the mandatory pit stops and OTT qualifying sessions, surely everyone can put in 1 decent lap in 15min, those that cant do that will have more action coming through the field.


BTW, im pretty sure that BTCC rules is
R1 = Qual order
R2 = R1 finishing order
R3 = Reversed first 6-10 drivers (depending on where the wheel lands, as spun by R2's winner, if it lands on 7 then the 1st 7 cars are reversed, 8-10 stay as they are, meaning you cant 'plan' where you start for R3)

A lot of races tend to just get stretched out as time goes by, just like F1 and most races, strategies rarely come into play and very little seems to change as races pass. 2-3 shortish (3x 20min w/ 2-3min break) races means more action and fun for those on the track, it also allows more points to be picked up, if something goes wrong your time practicing for the event isnt quite ruined, and i dont think people would make rash decisions because there is 3 chances either.

Infact, suprised it hasnt been mentioned seeing as its an (mostly) Aussie ran series, but the V8 series could be worth copying, with their Bathurst and Sandown single round races, the odd 2 race round and a majority of 3 round races.
Always the same number of points up for grabs each weekend (V8 uses 360? 3x120/2x180/1x360) meaning no single round/venue is more important than the other.

I think that would work perfectly, the smaller tracks (AS2) used for the 3 race rounds, medium for the 2 race rounds (FE2, SO5) and loooong tracks for 1 race rounds (AS6, SO4).

Mix things up a little ;)

[[DUcK]]

20 UTC (21 wouldnt be a problem i guess)
Prefer the idea of multiple short races than 1 long one, stuff the mandatory pit stops and OTT qualifying sessions, surely everyone can put in 1 decent lap in 15min, those that cant do that will have more action coming through the field.


BTW, im pretty sure that BTCC rules is
R1 = Qual order
R2 = R1 finishing order
R3 = Reversed first 6-10 drivers (depending on where the wheel lands, as spun by R2's winner, if it lands on 7 then the 1st 7 cars are reversed, 8-10 stay as they are, meaning you cant 'plan' where you start for R3)

A lot of races tend to just get stretched out as time goes by, just like F1 and most races, strategies rarely come into play and very little seems to change as races pass. 2-3 shortish (3x 20min w/ 2-3min break) races means more action and fun for those on the track, it also allows more points to be picked up, if something goes wrong your time practicing for the event isnt quite ruined, and i dont think people would make rash decisions because there is 3 chances either.

Infact, suprised it hasnt been mentioned seeing as its an (mostly) Aussie ran series, but the V8 series could be worth copying, with their Bathurst and Sandown single round races, the odd 2 race round and a majority of 3 round races.
Always the same number of points up for grabs each weekend (V8 uses 360? 3x120/2x180/1x360) meaning no single round/venue is more important than the other.

I think that would work perfectly, the smaller tracks (AS2) used for the 3 race rounds, medium for the 2 race rounds (FE2, SO5) and loooong tracks for 1 race rounds (AS6, SO4).

Mix things up a little ;)
dude that's an awesome idea, that's what i've been trying to do but... maybe Arrow will listen to you instead of me ;)
itd be different, and for those who like long distance they will be happy, for those who like short, they will be happy, i like both.. but its not about me.
arrow please consider!!! :shy:

[keithano]

Actually, Arrow. Are the entries for coming season is invite-only or?
We are definitely interested, and would like to have a pre-qualify if there are two sections. If our time falls on the second section, we are glad to race on that. Else, it's good to know and compete with some great teams.

[Arrow.]

Actually, Arrow. Are the entries for coming season is invite-only or?
We are definitely interested, and would like to have a pre-qualify if there are two sections. If our time falls on the second section, we are glad to race on that. Else, it's good to know and compete with some great teams.

All Team that completed in Season 1 and team who were invited but unable to make it Will be invited back
and we will also have a sign up.

Paul i think we should keep it simple, that way we have a clear winner.

[PaulC2K]

Approach #1 - Failure
Time to put #2 in action....

Arrow, multiple races allows anyone who left their AV software on to wreck their races the chance to at least make up for it in the other races
;)

I would have thought in the interest of keeping things entertaining and fun to be in the shorter races would have been more suited, with 1 race the emphasis is on qualifying and the first say 4-10 laps and after that very little happens because everyone is spread out and going at their usual pace. If it wasnt for pit-stops last season there probably wouldnt have been more than 2-3 changes out on track per round after the opening few laps.

The clear winner of a V8 3 race round is whoever comes away with the most points from the 3 races. The clear winner of F1 is typically whoever is on pole (or whoever is leading by about turn 3). I know which is the more fun to watch, and i say that having watched F1 religiously since the age of 10, including the good old days when Eurosports used to show the practice sessions on Friday & Saturday mornings (or Thurs/Sat for Monaco), its the pinicle of motorsports, but boy is it dull as hell after a few laps when rain doesnt come along and make things interesting!!

Thats just my opinion though.

[arco]

You have a good point there Paul, and I think it's something worth considering.

[PaulC2K]

i've been due one for the last year or 2, finally a worthwhile point :D

[jamesrowe]

Good idears Paul! I prefer those ideas.

If something happens race one, then have an oppertunity to make up in race 2. IF very unlucky in race 2 also, race 3 you start 1st hahaha.

Best idea yet ;).

[Arrow.]

What is you opinion on 8,9,10,11, UTC
what best suit you guys?

[Leifde]

11 UTC, is this 11am or 11pm?

[arco]

11 UTC, is this 11am or 11pm?
11am

[sidi]

What is you opinion on 8,9,10,11, UTC
what best suit you guys?


What happened to the 20/21 utc option?

[PaulC2K]

What happened to the 20/21 utc option?
That got binned the second Cyber decided they couldnt race at any other time because 'coz people like to go out with friends and everything' and because its an Aussie team organising it they'll happily latch onto anything that means no 7am starts for them. As i said last time round when start times were being discussed, they're an Aussie team wanting the best teams to take part but basically want to do it at a time thats convenient to them, but that means its a shit time for everyone else.

11UTC means:
4:00am USA West Coast
8:00am USA East Coast
12:00pm BST
1:00pm CET
2:00pm EET
8:00pm Aus West Coast
10:00pm Aus East Coast

Thats including Daylight Saving Time, which about half of the series will observe, when it leaves DST it goes back an hour meaning 3am/7am/11am/12pm/1pm/7pm/9pm for the above.
meaning...
if your in the America's, thanks for looking, cya round some time.
if your in Europe, wave goodbye to your Saturdays.
if your in Australia, all peachy.

Also, anyone competing in MoE will be racing at the same time as BOTT, either on the same day occasionally or on an alternative day but thats then 3 out of 4 saturdays gone to LFS.


What this also highlights is why its stupid to try and organise endurance length races, the Yanks wont fancy 4hrs racing starting at 5am (average usa time), the Europeans wont want to give up a whole saturday to BOTT and MoE once a month, and the Aussies worst case scenario stay up till about 1am.


Not to worry though folks, a better alternative was offered to me the other day, apparently 11UTC on Friday could be managable, all the Europeans will take a day off work or school/college/Uni whatever and the Yanks will get up at a stupid time and go straight to work afterwards with a couple hours sleep. The Aussies will give up.... friday evenings.


At <18 UTC then Mercury isnt taking part, we went through this last time round and didnt have a single person saying they'd be able to manage it, the America's get screwed completely and the Europeans sacrifice a Saturday afternoon every other week on top of MoE.

[arco]

Chill down guys. :tilt: The time is not final, Josh is just asking for opinions. But anyway, and sadly, no matter what time is suggested it will suck for some people. Personally, I would like it to take place as late as possible in the evening, so it would not be too early for the Australians and should be manageable by the Americans to join also. But of course, if the majority of drivers signing up only have drinking and partying on their mind every Saturday evening, then we have a problem.

[PaulC2K]

Chill down guys. :tilt: The time is not final, Josh is just asking for opinions.

hey guys i spoke to a few other teams and yes, 11utc seems to be the best option so the start time is now 11utc
Considering that was what Josh told Cyber less than 24hrs ago it seems pretty final to me, and not asking for opinions.

If 11UTC is what all other teams feel is the best option then go with it, but Mercury isnt interested in giving up a whole saturday afternoon to BOTT, if it had the stature of MoE then that'd be a different matter, but nobody in our team was interested in using time they'd normally spend with the missus shopping (else earache), or spent with kids or mates on their day off work. If it was at 6pm for example when the daytime is done and evening/night hasnt started then its fair enough, but slap bang in the middle of a saturday is pretty poop when the majority of the people you want competing are the ones being put out. Less than 1/10th of the people racing last season were Australasian, maybe 1/10th from the America's and the rest were Europeans, its your series to organise as you want it and if that means you dont want 7am starts then scrap them, but obviously cancelling a time thats inconvenient to 1/10 of the entrants to one thats inconvenient to 2/5 is your call to make, and im just pointing out that an Pre-evening UTC start time wouldnt suit Mercury and i doubt we'd be taking part in it. Not asking you to change it, if its convenient then we'll put a team out, if it isnt then we wont, not fussed.

Unfortunately we saw last season when Thunder decided they couldnt be arsed any longer and Ocrana & Cyber didnt want to compete that there wasnt a consistant challenge and it made things a little uninteresting when Thunder werent there, and if Cyber cant race at a decent time then its an either/or and without a couple of equally competitive teams to challenge you its boring, whether at the front, middle or back you want something to challenge you. Without decent challenge theres no motivation, and nobody arsed about putting themselves out on a saturday afternoon when they have other things they want to do, and apparently its the same for Cyber wanting to keep their Sat Nights free (fair play to them), but unless theres a Cyber/Ocrana(whatever they're called are this month)/Thunder challenge on the track (or 1ST stepping up a notch as they seem to for MoE) then if its inconveniently timed then its not worth the hassle of trying to pester people to do something they dont want to or put out a so-so team to satisfy obligations to the event.

Take all that however you want, I cant be arsed BS'ing an opinion when really i mean something else, thats how it is. Not asking/demanding for the time to be changed, just saying that the noon (EU) start means we dont have drivers wanting to race, and an evening start with no competitive Cyber-esque teams to race with is not much better either, we'd race but field mixed drivers and see how many we can manage again, win or lose.

[Arrow.]

..and not asking for opinions.

What is you opinion on 8,9,10,11, UTC
what best suit you guys?
I had no reply so i spoke to a few people on msn
and the thing you have to remember is its a team events so share the rounds between all you members like last year..

how about we do 50/50 11utc and 21utc

August 25th - Kyoto Ring National Reverse - XFG/XRG (11utc)
September 8th - South City Town - MRT (21utc)
September 22nd - Westhill International - XFR/UFR (11utc)
October 6th - Aston North - TBO (21utc)
October 20th - Blackwood GP - GTR (11utc)
November 3rd - Fern Bay Green Reverse - LRF (21utc)
November 17th - Kyoto Ring Long - F08 (11utc)
December 1st - Aston Grand Touring Reverse - FOX(21utc)[/color]

this way it suits people who like to race in day and nite

[sidi]

I had no reply so i spoke to a few people on msn

Maybe the reason you had no reply was that most of the teams have already said 20/21 utc.

I could imagine it must have been a strain on some of you getting up that early in the last series and racing and if it was the other way around i doubt very much any of the euro teams would have attended.

Anyway i personally was out of BOTT when it moved to a saturday no matter what time it was being held but it's Fusion's series and i suppose you have to go with what suits your team best but maybe you should get the times sorted before asking for signups.

Good luck with the new season and although you done very well last time getting as many teams together as you did i think you will have an even bigger challenge this time :)

[niall09]

I dont really mind what time its on, aslong it is on a Saturday. I cant sunday because if at 11am, i would have to go at 12, for mass:( So just keep it on a Saturday, its much easier :)

[Storm_Cloud]

21 UTC is best for R4R. We are largely an older (30+) team and probably would struggle to put a team out if it was held at 11 UTC as some of us have children to entertain.

[keithano]

Maybe the reason you had no reply was that most of the teams have already said 20/21 utc.

I could imagine it must have been a strain on some of you getting up that early in the last series and racing and if it was the other way around i doubt very much any of the euro teams would have attended.

Anyway i personally was out of BOTT when it moved to a saturday no matter what time it was being held but it's Fusion's series and i suppose you have to go with what suits your team best but maybe you should get the times sorted before asking for signups.

Good luck with the new season and although you done very well last time getting as many teams together as you did i think you will have an even bigger challenge this time :)

Arrow is changing the time because of Cyber team. You can probably view that from Cyber team forum.

http://www.cyber-racing.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=656&pid=6777&st=0&#entry6777

No offense at all. I know that will be great to invite one of the best LFS teams to join this series. Anyway, it's kinda confusing for the 2nd division of BOTT, I think a qualification should be run before to determine what teams are going to participate in Div 1 and 2.

There are some great teams over there in Div. 2 recently if the rules do not change. Spdo team is one of them, while getting the 1st runner up in the LFS 24h race. If Arrow insists the subjective view of those teams that are being invited by Fusion Racing to join BOTT are gonna be participating in Div. A, then I think Div. B is meaningless. I watched many replays of BOTT as I kinda like this league, IMO there are racers that are not up to standard for Div. A. That is my own opinion, and I'm not referring any particular teams in the last BOTT season.

Well. Let's see

[Arrow.]

how about we do 50/50 11utc and 21utc

August 25th - Kyoto Ring National Reverse - XFG/XRG (11utc)
September 8th - South City Town - MRT (21utc)
September 22nd - Westhill International - XFR/UFR (11utc)
October 6th - Aston North - TBO (21utc)
October 20th - Blackwood GP - GTR (11utc)
November 3rd - Fern Bay Green Reverse - LRF (21utc)
November 17th - Kyoto Ring Long - F08 (11utc)
December 1st - Aston Grand Touring Reverse - FOX(21utc)[/color]

this way it suits people who like to race in day and nite

No one has even commented on my suggestion im trying to make it fair for all timezones here :schwitz:

and no i aint changing the time because of Cyber they suggested it, It works better for Aussies, and i thought it would be better your europeans as well being mid day.

The Thing you have to remember is its a team event, share the rounds between the team each round will only be 1 hour and 30mins max now

[Storm_Cloud]

Seems a fair compromise - it's one Saturday per month that would be punctuated by a midday for Europeans.

[sidi]

No one has even commented on my suggestion im trying to make it fair for all timezones here :schwitz:

and no i aint changing the time because of Cyber they suggested it, It works better for Aussies, and i thought it would be better your europeans as well being mid day.

The Thing you have to remember is its a team event, share the rounds between the team each round will only be 1 hour and 30mins max now


K i'll comment.............I can't race saturday's :D


Seems like a fair way to go with the times split 50/50 although i'm not sure if there would be enough mercury drivers to drive a saturday to make it worthwhile as a team event,whatever the outcome good luck with the new season :)

[PaulC2K]

..and not asking for opinions.
What is you opinion on 8,9,10,11, UTC
what best suit you guys?


I had no reply so i spoke to a few people on msn
and the thing you have to remember is its a team events so share the rounds between all you members like last year..

Wow, its amazing how you managed to quote what i'd said while conveniently missing out the fact that you went to others saying the start time was now 11UTC. So THAT isnt you asking for an opinion, thats you making a decision and telling people thats when things are starting so dont give me the bullshit from what you were doing days ago when someone claims your still asking for opinions while your actually telling others a decision has been made! Spin it however you like, but fact is you've since started telling others the start time was now 11UTC.


As i've said, run the event how you want, but if its inconvenient and our drivers dont want to be inconvenienced for BOTT then we wont enter. Im not arsed if we compete in BOTT and i dont think any of our drivers are fussed either, but if its at a time when we can field a decent team then we will, if not then we wont be defending our title. Last season was crap as we had no consistant challenge like Thunder provided so it was easy to just field random people including some who hadnt driven in an event before and people who didnt even like the cars they were driving, but the fact that we could do that and get away with it showed there wasnt a decent challenge at the top, if Cyber and hopefully Thunder if they decide to start the series are competing then we'd field our strongest sides more frequently, last year we fielded our best 2 for any given combo once (GTRs, purely because we know Thunder would give us a good race) the rest of the time it was a case of whoever was free that day to practice and race for it.

Ultimately the whole problem with the start time isnt when its convenient for Europeans, because im pretty sure that could be nailed down with very little effort, but because of the Aussie organisation it means it has to be convenient for you whereas before you'd get screwed and Europe would run it when it was good for them. If Fusion were European there wouldnt be a problem, but they're not and that compromises things.


The Thing you have to remember is its a team event, share the rounds between the team each round will only be 1 hour and 30mins max nowSo make it 18UTC which im sure is fine for most Europeans, the thing you have to remember is its a team event and share the rounds between the team each round will only be 1 hour and 30min max now.

[Sracer]

Just to clear up some stuff here, I talked to Arrow and just told my and teams view on the matter that the given times back then 20/21UTC isnt suitable for most of us in the team. The fact is that most of us in the team wants to keep the late evenings free.

And yes we are expecting competition and that is one of the reasons why we were ready to enter the league when being invited, but it dont make any sense to participate then if teams drop out just because the time doesnt suit them. To keep the motivation up there have to be the challenge there. We hope you can find suitable times for most of the teams, hopefully every each of them but as reading what been said here its hard and there gotta be compromises. The majority counts here and if the later start time is better, then just go with it. We will go with the decision whatever it will be made regarding the time or date and see what we can make out of it.

[arco]

Actually, 5 out 13 members in Fusion are from Australia, making the majority of the team European. So if something is bad for the Europeans in the other teams, surely that would apply to the Europeans in our team as well?

I still maintain my opinion of a start late in the evening, mostly because I'm an old man and doesn't go out drinking every weekend anymore. :D

[PaulC2K]

sracer:
Same thing for us, just that daytime doesnt work for our lot like evenings dont for you guys, but basically the appeal of the series drops considerably if there isnt someone there pushing you to do your best.
It seems almost pointless for us to compete in the series if there isnt competition like Cyber & Thunder in the series, we ran the majority of last season like that and i think we managed to get 13 of our 16 members taking part and there was only 16 seats (8 races, 2 cars) and we still had the series wrapped up with 1 round to go.
We basically need a Mclaren to our Ferrari, otherwise were racing BMWs and Renaults. I'd sooner have a scrap and come 2nd to a top team than win the series because there isnt competition there. Not arsed about winning, its about having competition and some sort of challenge, last season it was to see how many drivers we could field and see if we could still win, but the lack of consistant results from competitors made even that pretty easy.

The series needs a Cyber-esque team for us to compete, we certainly dont want a case of 'its either us or them', we'd like more from that class of competition.

[DeadWolfBones]

If it's 11UTC it's just not doable for Western Hemisphere teams, sorry. :shrug:

[Arrow.]

How does 20utc sound :schwitz:

[LFSn00b]

20 utc is fine for me.

[DeadWolfBones]

Definitely doable.

[[DUcK]]

that's bloody 6am again!!!!
ah well screw it, keep it u guys way, its better that way, more competition.

[Neokiller]

Its a bit late for some people and in a saturday :schwitz:but if we can find two drivers for it then we drive

[Arrow.]

ok, What would Friday 20utc be like?

[niall09]

im very confused with all the time zones here:shy: but is that 8 p.m GMT? That would be good for me ;)

[Neokiller]

ok, What would Friday 20utc be like?

I guess that is the same for us but if the others want to race at 20 or 21 utc fine :shrug:

[[DUcK]]

21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 :d

[DeadWolfBones]

20UTC Friday is 3 or 2pm EST, which would rule out any NA people who have a regular 9-5 job.

I'm not really trying to bitch and moan in this thread, btw. Just trying to make you aware of the situation.

The NA contingent is probably pretty small, I guess.

[Storm_Cloud]

Would prefer Saturday 21 UTC, or even 22.

[LFSn00b]

ok, What would Friday 20utc be like?+1 :)

[BenjiMC]

Saturday is fine, as long as it's not between 19:00 UTC and midnight UTC. :shrug: i say stick with early on a saturday.

[Neokiller]

Saturday is fine, as long as it's not between 19:00 UTC and midnight UTC. :shrug: i say stick with early on a saturday.

+1 :thumb:

[Arrow.]

Ok, looks like we a back to square one :P

Its going to be either Saturday 20UTC or 21UTC.
21utc would be perfect for me :nod:

So which one 20 or 21UTC

[DeadWolfBones]

CoRe is fine with either.

:thumb:

[N I K I]

20:00 UTC - Saturday

[BenjiMC]

Saturday is fine, as long as it's not between 19:00 UTC and midnight UTC. :shrug: i say stick with early on a saturday.


Read above anyone? it would only effect me on 2 events anyway so can still do 20:00 utc

[germanpio]

I vote for 21 UTC Saturday :)

[LordBlaster]

I vote for 21 UTC Saturday :)


:thumb:

[Neokiller]

Ok, looks like we a back to square one :P

Its going to be either Saturday 20UTC or 21UTC.
21utc would be perfect for me :nod:

So which one 20 or 21UTC

If we only have these two options Cyber would prefer 20 UTC even that hour is very difficult for us to race, but 21 UTC is impossible

[N I K I]

but 21 UTC is impossible
i agree

[hrtburnout]

19utc.

[[DUcK]]

no way :D
20 or 21 ;)
or 10 or 11...
:D

[Storm_Cloud]

R4R prefers 21 UTC

[Cawwa]

We have discussed the time a little. Both 20 and 21 UTC is just to late, 20 utc means 22 cest and we are talking about event starting.
Hard to get ppl to run that late, at least on a sober level ... :D

[Arrow.]

We have discussed the time a little. Both 20 and 21 UTC is just to late, 20 utc means 22 cest and we are talking about event starting.
Hard to get ppl to run that late, at least on a sober level ... :D

Heheheh
Last season was 20UTC and you guys still did well sober or non sober :schwitz::D

[germanpio]

Well if last seson was 20 UTC why can't we use the same starting time?
@Cawwa: Even 22CEST is not too late :razz:

[indie]

Tricky problem :D

I would go for a start around 18 utc, worst cause 19 utc.
The options 20 or 21 utc are quite late considering the majority of the racers are in Europe.
We'll see here this thread leads us :razz:

Cyaz

[Cawwa]

Well if last seson was 20 UTC why can't we use the same starting time?
@Cawwa: Even 22CEST is not too late :razz:

and @ Arrow

Yes we did ... but it wasn't easy to get ppl at that hour ... asfaIk they where all sober and dandy but you never know these days ... :D
We are a small team with only 7 members so there's isn't plenty of drivers to choose from.
But as said from other teams here, pick the time and we'll do our best. PREFERABLE no later then 19.00 utc.

[[DUcK]]

Reason we can't use anything before 20utc is because fusion's aussie drivers. 20utc is 6am for us, which means you gotta get up at 5.30, to get woken up, warmed up and that. i was happy with 10/11 utc, which is night time for us, but that didn't work for the majority, so 20utc is pushing it, but it's do-able..just.
i hope we can resolve a time soon... thanks for being so patient guys :)

[Primoz]

Another vote for 19 UTC. Consider that's 21:00 for us Europeans and 22:00 for Finns. Not all of us live alone in an apartment but have parents close by sleeping. That's the problem.

[Arrow.]

The 3 Timezones are are 11UTC, 20UTC, 21UTC
I will Setup a Poll

[Cawwa]

I've been in these discusion before. The time zones fact is a hard nut to crack.
We have discussed to run a BOTT before you Fusion guys started yours, so we never launched it. The format is completely different though.

What it should solve is the main issue here ... the time zone issue.

If you guys are opened and interested in changing format to something completely different it would be a solution to the problem. But before I suggest the format I want to see if there really is any interest in changing format or if you consider it as to late to change at all.

So ... ?

[Primoz]

And it was said that 19 UTC wasn't suggested many times. IMO just on the last page, it was and it could easly be added to the poll, just to silence us, 19-UTC-wannabees (or to show we are correct and make it 19 UTC).

[Arrow.]

And it was said that 19 UTC wasn't suggested many times. IMO just on the last page, it was and it could easly be added to the poll, just to silence us, 19-UTC-wannabees (or to show we are correct and make it 19 UTC).

It cant be 19 utc mate thats like 5am for me which is pretty much impossible sorry.

[anttt69]

Arrow: I think ur idea of 50/50, half the races start at 11utc & half at 20/21UTC is probably the best compromise you can come up with. You are in the difficult situation of most of the teams/drivers being European & Fusion the organisng team being Australian.
I can understand not wanting to get up at 6am in the morning (bleary eyed) to play LFS. The big problem is if you open it up to vote the majority will win, so we need a bit of understanding from everyone that this is a world wide event & some small sacrifices will have to be made.

The fact of the matter is there is no ideal start time for everyone.

p.s: Where can I have my say about race format?

[Arrow.]

We had a Poll and the start time is going to be 20utc

Right here mate http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=24546 :thumb:

[anttt69]

We had a Poll and the start time is going to be 20utc

Right here mate http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=24546 :thumb:
Oops did'nt see that :shy:. I dont think it has worked out to well for the aussies though.

Thanks