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goode400

4th May 2007, 18:59

I understand why the thread was closed but many people will have come home from work / school / whatever and found the STCC closed and the only thread discussing the closure closed also. STCC is a huge deal to many in the LFS community and I think those who were involved at least deserve somewhere to write a final comment. So providing that this thread does not involve the 'issue', please can it be kept open? :shy:

SpikeyMarcoD

4th May 2007, 19:05

Well i did not see this coming. Man was looking forward to "progressing" to silver.

I like the career mode stcc provided. Not everybody wants to drive the BIG cars all the time. Especially not to learn. I sincerely hope there is a way to get the stcc back on track in some form. For me its not the league perse, more the "career mode" and the proper driving and sense of community.

SamH

4th May 2007, 19:05

Sure.. but please, I'm asking nicely, no finger-pointing or anything.

SKaREO

4th May 2007, 19:09

niall09

4th May 2007, 19:14

why wouldnt you purchase s2? There is much more to the game than just STCC, sure it was a great part of the game but it has taken too much of Becky's time up and she can't keep doing this as she has personal issues going on in her life. Good luck Becky and i hope you come back one day :thumb:

anyway, you will never regret buying s2 and it costs much cheper than a normal ps2 game :shrug: why leave?

SKaREO

4th May 2007, 19:20

The STCC was the only thing keeping me here for the past month. It was some of the most fun and clean racing I have ever experienced online. If the STCC were to ever return, I would finish my license to Gold and then purchase S2 exactly like I had planned before.

As long as there is an STCC server running, this game is worth playing to me.

Shotglass

4th May 2007, 19:22

Take care all. I'm sorry to the STCC team for it not working out, you put a lot of hard work in and it payed off, yet the LFS community and developement team decided to ignore that. I think this will be the number one reason why I'm leaving. :(

excuse me ? becky never implied that scawens insim changes were in any way responsible other than coming with unfortunate timing
also if i understood him correctly there still is a legacy mode that can be used to port apps with relative ease

Xarpas

4th May 2007, 19:25

i couldn't believe my eyes today when i first saw that there weren't no STCC servers online and then when i saw this thread....
believe my....i just can't race in other servers than STCC...

STCC is my life at LFS...

Im really really sad at this point.
Let's hope everything is solved and we can...again....race in THE BEST LFS SERVERS i know!!

SamH

4th May 2007, 19:29

SKaREO, doood!...

The LFS developers, Becky, and all the other programmers have been putting their heads together to develop LFS. Becky's made, I'm absolutely sure, many requests which are being implemented into the InSim function - the thing that Becky uses to connect her software to LFS.

95% of the problems for Becky, right now, revolve around her REAL life, NOT the STCC, or the way that LFS is coded.

You're a really good guy, SKaREO, who's embraced LFS and responsible driving to the max.. you're exactly the kind of person that we WOULD MISS, on ALL of LFS.

There is SO much more to LFS than the STCC. What you've seen with the STCC is just an EXAMPLE of something that happens on MANY other servers. With S2, you could come on the ConeDodgers server (which, when I get a break from the other stuff I do, is probably my fave LFS server).. rFactor doesn't deserve you.. Choose LFS S2, buddy. You would NEVER regret it!

I bet you 20p!!

MyBoss

4th May 2007, 19:30

This is sad, really.

The STCC servers were very good for LFS, they actually made people race the road cars and not only the fast cars, which dosen't really invite to close racing.

Good luck Becky and to the rest of the team. Hope you can get the servers up again to the winter when everyone is ready again :)

dave

4th May 2007, 19:31

I've recently come back after some away time and discovered the STCC servers, and they have been the only place I've joined since coming back, the racing is usually clean and fair and alot of great races are had and generally all the people are nice. I do like the fact that you start in UF1 and I was begining to get quite good at it, and figured if I progress through each license driving each car type I would eventually be decent at alot of the cars of lfs and a better racer. I also enjoyed watching the STCC broadcasts alot and will miss them.

Really sad to see you go and gl with your rl stuff :weeping:

thisnameistaken

4th May 2007, 19:34

I'd just like to make the point that you can drive any of these cars and circuits on any server that offers them. Prior to the STCC thing happening many of us were spending most of our time racing the slower road cars online, so it's not like that's just going to disappear.

It might be harder to find full servers, but ultimately all these drivers have got to go somewhere. If they disappear offline instead of finding somewhere else to race then we'd have to assume the points were what attracted them, not the racing.

Jakg

4th May 2007, 19:37

I'll be moving on to rFactor.Nooooooo!

Becky, look what you've driven him to! :D

chunkyracer

4th May 2007, 19:40

Take care all. I'm sorry to the STCC team for it not working out, you put a lot of hard work in and it payed off, yet the LFS community and developement team decided to ignore that. I think this will be the number one reason why I'm leaving. :(
With this I just can´t agree... Neither did the LFS community or developement team decided do ignore STCC. It is a great work form a group of people, wich I respect, but STCC is not LFS online racing! There are a lot of leagues that were here before STCC and that will still be here despite STCC closing. If you people think that because racing 10 min races on the slower cars of LFS and earning a silver license means you're a good driver, you better think again. Beeing a top driver in leagues like OLFSL, LOTA, MOE, OWRL, just to name a few, represents as much, if not more, than any STCC license, and I really think we should respect that...
That said, I sincerely hope that STCC can carry on and keep growing for the good of LFS and all licensed drivers!!

Jakg

4th May 2007, 19:43

what about LEAGUES like the STCC? thats gone as well, too

(Just as i was about to win, typical! :D)

SamH

4th May 2007, 19:46

(Just as i was about to win, typical! :D)
In yer dreams, buddy! You're a UKCT driver.. we don't win things, on principle! We have a 2year losing streak to protect ;)

dave

4th May 2007, 19:46

The pickup and play was a big attraction for me rather than signing up for a league then turning up at specific date and time. I don't believe getting a certain license makes you a uber driver, but progressing up the licenses and learning new cars and tracks definately helps, especially when you get nice clean racing and friendly banter.

Jakg

4th May 2007, 19:47

In yer dreams, buddy! You're a UKCT driver.. we don't win things, on principle! We have a 2year losing streak to protect ;)noes!

dynofiend

4th May 2007, 19:59

thanks to everyone who made stcc what it was

but onwards and upwards, i enjoy racing on many other severs as well as stcc, and for one will enjoy the ability to drive some cars other than the FXO, UF1 and XFG in a decent and clean race :thumb:

Hyperactive

4th May 2007, 20:02

We will just have to hope that there are still racers who want to drive the TBO cars. There really wasn't any TBO servers before STCC so let's hope that will be from now on. Especially from now on because the TBOs are finally getting balanced :/

SKaREO

4th May 2007, 20:05

@SamH - I appreciate your comment actually, I'm a jerk most of the time. You're right though, rFactor isn't really that great anyway. Hey I was jumping a bit far to conclusions earlier, damn I was upset to see nowhere to race this afternoon. I'll buy S2 still, I need to clear off my credit card this week. :schwitz:

The Moose

4th May 2007, 20:10

Beeing a top driver in leagues like OLFSL, LOTA, MOE, OWRL, just to name a few, represents as much, if not more, than any STCC license, and I really think we should respect that...

Whilst i respect any good drivers, not everyone has the time to run in a league. so the thing for me was to find the best possible public servers, and with STCC, that's what i got. The drivers may not be the fastest and best in the whole of LFS, but most of the top license holders were all good clean racers with the right attitude,and that's what i respect in a racer.

It really wasn't about the licences and points, it was about the whole idea behind it. Promoting clean fair racing.

I have to say I'm pretty gutted about the situation. NO other public servers currently provide what STCC did..great,clean racing,plenty of track rotation,nearly always full severs.(im not saying other server don't provide some of that, but very few that i've seen can tick all of the boxes)
With no disrespect intended the other nearly always full servers (conedodgers, redline etc), they just don't provide the variety that STCC did, and with the plans to introduce single seater servers as well it seemed like a one stop shop for high quality public server racing.

I'd like to thank Becky,Sam and all the others involved for providing the best three months of sim racing fun i've had. All your hard work is certainly appreciated by a lot of people.

I hope the STCC servers will make a comeback in the not to distant future. Life's a little bit emptier without them.

I cant see myself playing a lot of LFS now, but when i do i hope i will come across drivers such as Sparky Dave, Swiss Tony, Lord Blaster, Bravus, Viper(RUS) and all the others i enjoyed such close,clean racing with over these last three months. It's been a pleasure.

Best of luck to Becky with sorting your real life shit out. Always remember the vast majority here are right behind you. f**k all the haters.
All the best for the future.

andy29

4th May 2007, 20:54

Becky, if you read this, I just wanted to add my thanks. You have obviously put a hell of a lot of work into the STCC and 99% of people enjoyed it - a lot.

Obviously there was some serious sh*t going on behind the scenes. The YouTube videos were vicious but I'm not going to say any more because it'll start an argument again.

Thank you for your efforts.

sinbad

4th May 2007, 21:43

I cant see myself playing a lot of LFS now, but when i do i hope i will come across drivers such as Sparky Dave, Swiss Tony, Lord Blaster, Bravus, Viper(RUS) and all the others i enjoyed such close,clean racing with over these last three months. It's been a pleasure.

I hope you do keep playing. With LFS there tends to be the "server of the moment" and that can change quite often (recently and for quite a while it has been the STCC servers, for the road cars at least, because of the longevity the points system offered). But rest assured, there will be another, or several others, particularly if people run them in a similar way (albeit without the points system), as they hopefully will. They'll attract the regulars like you and I and countless others, and the racing will be just as good. I never visited the STCC servers for the points anyway (half the time I was in a car that couldn't even score points :) ), I visited them because I knew what I was going to get. So whether it's a Conedodgers server, a dSRC server or the new OLT pro racing one (lots of others worthy of mention I'm sure), the good servers are still going to be out there, they just need as many of the good guys like you to keep them populated :)

Motordirex

4th May 2007, 22:17

Sad sad very sad.

I too only raced STCC servers because those were drivers wanting to race. Yes, there was some carnage but thats to be expected as new drivers join and some are just jerks.

I hope the closing is temporary and that it was not decided by one person; one person cannot run a league this big on their own. When you have the level of interest the STCC has, you need an organization. If Becky wanted to step down for a bit, thats understandable. I wish her a speedy return but I dont see why someone else directly involved with the STCC couldnt have stepped up to keep things going. If Becky is done with sim racing as she has expressed, then pass the torch, dont kill the runner. What you lose is credibility for if it starts again...will people respond or turn away because they dont want to get burned again, especially sponsors and racers.

When your in the public eye in any community, there are going to be people that simply loath you and theres nothing you can do about it. My solution, stay out of the public eye. Use forums for announcements only, not open league discussions. If the STCC has rules set in place then those rules need to be followed, not discussed with the public on a forum.

I hope to see those servers up and running and a new broadcasts of STCC races. Form a committee, get with the program and back to the racing! :thumb:

STROBE

4th May 2007, 22:25

Well as someone who competed in the first round of STCC, back when I was driving LFS, I have plenty I could say. Especially after having watched the video.

However I'll just keep it brief, and hope that the cement of the STCC, aka Becky, manages to sort out her employment and any other real life issues, and is able to return to LFS at some point with the STCC. And more importantly, is willing to return. Don't let the arsehole(s) win.

CharlesMartin

4th May 2007, 22:50

Well, I haven't read all that was said about the reasons behind this so I'll only say : Thanks for the time it lasted. Great idea. It was your stuff that gave the last little push to buy LFS.

I must have been racing your servers an hour a nite for the last month, thanks for everything, you did great.

paddy_racer

4th May 2007, 22:53

As an Newbie driver i'm a big fan of STCC league and licence .

As a former Battlefield player what I liked about the game is the Stats and achievements(lets get too the point). With the nice addition too the LFS community of the STCC Licences which made me play live for speed more (as im not in a league or a team league) this made me wanted to achievement and improve myself.

Watching the championship videos on Utube was also great to watch and learn how drivers takes corners etc with good play by play commentary.

Hopely STCC will make it's comeback sooner but real life issues comes 1st best of luck

PR:thumb:

Jakg

4th May 2007, 23:01

G'ah, i'll mist the league that took me from being an oval-racing, auto-gears using, brake-help addicted n00b to become the (imo) fairly good driver i am today, with my massive skill, huge ego and even bigger modesty :D

Training for the STCC has given me the skills to turn up on a public server and WIN, not finish 15th (like i used to :S), and i really can't thank her enough.

Plus getting to see my smhexy FXO winz0r (almost :() in a vid watched by 120,000 per show

:(

M'eh, looks like J. Green will have to go and find another road car league for when his exams are over (if i have time with this UKCT championship!) - up for a "UF1000 September-hem" race, ZWR? :D

Someone make an XFG-XRG league, plz, kthxbia!

e2mustang

5th May 2007, 01:12

I need to post then here. The first time i joined in the STCC server,i had my best races ever,so close to each other,with good drivers,all was fun,then it was just going better and better,always very very good races,i couldnt wait to get home from work,so i can RACE not play..All thoose days i found many friends,and NO "enemies".I just want to say a big THANKS for every1 who made all theese good things for me and to a lot of peoples,and i hope 1 day i can enjoy again the REAL racing.
Thank you every1! :thumb:

DeadWolfBones

5th May 2007, 01:16

STCC was all S1 licensed racers had to look forward to. With all honesty the STCC is the one thing I liked most about this game. This has confirmed that I will not be purchasing S2 and instead, I'll be moving on to rFactor.

Take care all. I'm sorry to the STCC team for it not working out, you put a lot of hard work in and it payed off, yet the LFS community and developement team decided to ignore that. I think this will be the number one reason why I'm leaving. :(

Um, please don't take offense at this, but that's a really silly reason to run away from LFS.

There are plenty of wonderful leagues out there that, while not automated and points-leveling-up-focused like STCC nevertheless provide great racing throughout the year.

STCC isn't (wasn't) the only game in town. You'll be missing out on a lot if you go to rFactor.

DeadWolfBones

5th May 2007, 01:19

Hmm, guess I should read the thread before I reply like that. Oops. :shy:

mkserve

5th May 2007, 01:36

I hope the closing is temporary and that it was not decided by one person; one person cannot run a league this big on their own. When you have the level of interest the STCC has, you need an organization. If Becky wanted to step down for a bit, thats understandable. I wish her a speedy return but I dont see why someone else directly involved with the STCC couldnt have stepped up to keep things going. If Becky is done with sim racing as she has expressed, then pass the torch, dont kill the runner. What you lose is credibility for if it starts again...will people respond or turn away because they dont want to get burned again, especially sponsors and racers.

The STCC is quite a mammoth Project, there is alot that goes on behind the scenes. Unfortunately, Beckys Skill was a Central Part of this. I Developed the API that Becki's applications communicate with and a secion of the database structure, and SamH created the reporting system, the bulk of the database structure, and the Frontend of the Web System, However. Becky is the Lead STCC Developer. Any major changes to the system, and the way it works come from her, and the changes she makes with her application (which myself and SamH are simply not capable of doing) were the most important and central part of the STCC licencing system. Unfortunately, although the league itself could be managed by people other than Becky, the Fundimental software that the league requires to operate, and much of the Broadcast recording, cannot be done and maintained without her.

I really Hope that Becky will return soon, I didn't race much, but i really do miss the STCC Servers .. I sucked.. but at least i sucked with friendly people who raced cleanly, and appreciated the principles of the STCC League.

UsuL

5th May 2007, 07:38

Whilst i respect any good drivers, not everyone has the time to run in a league. so the thing for me was to find the best possible public servers, and with STCC, that's what i got. The drivers may not be the fastest and best in the whole of LFS, but most of the top license holders were all good clean racers with the right attitude,and that's what i respect in a racer.

It really wasn't about the licences and points, it was about the whole idea behind it. Promoting clean fair racing.

I have to say I'm pretty gutted about the situation. NO other public servers currently provide what STCC did..great,clean racing,plenty of track rotation,nearly always full severs.(im not saying other server don't provide some of that, but very few that i've seen can tick all of the boxes)
With no disrespect intended the other nearly always full servers (conedodgers, redline etc), they just don't provide the variety that STCC did, and with the plans to introduce single seater servers as well it seemed like a one stop shop for high quality public server racing.

I'd like to thank Becky,Sam and all the others involved for providing the best three months of sim racing fun i've had. All your hard work is certainly appreciated by a lot of people.

I hope the STCC servers will make a comeback in the not to distant future. Life's a little bit emptier without them.

I cant see myself playing a lot of LFS now, but when i do i hope i will come across drivers such as Sparky Dave, Swiss Tony, Lord Blaster, Bravus, Viper(RUS) and all the others i enjoyed such close,clean racing with over these last three months. It's been a pleasure.

Best of luck to Becky with sorting your real life shit out. Always remember the vast majority here are right behind you. f**k all the haters.
All the best for the future.

Quote Moose ... nothing else to say ... :thumb:

N I K I

5th May 2007, 07:49

Yo Moose, there is great server for you ;)
OLT on W17, believe me nice racing there... something like STCC (not really but it's kite good).
______________

Thank you Becky, SamH, Jakg... and all others for this project. I had loads of fun whit STCC. And I learned XRT and all track whit STCC, thank you for that too :)

I wasn't on stcc in late time, cuz of leagues and real life, but still i did few races on stcc1 whit my buddy :D

I hope like rest of LFS community that STCC is coming back soon, good luck UKCT crew!

goode400

5th May 2007, 09:00

Shame that Victor wiped the other thread instead of editing out the offensive stuff. There was a lot of posts lamenting the loss of the STCC and praising the programmers for all their hard work. I hope those who posted will post again on this thread to show what a huge number of grateful supporters STCC has.

So again...Thank you Becky and co, Good luck with whatever you do now, and come back soon!

And to all the other STCC racers left floundering in the dust.......
Where shall we race now? Any suggestions? Anyone got a server we could race TBOs on? :shrug:

niall09

5th May 2007, 09:22

I dont really think it is a shame. I don't think that all that offensive stuff that was thrown at Becky should be left there. It was just really disgraceful what she has gone through(in her opinion). I think that SamH made a summary of what happened in the post so, ye will just have to read that. :)

mkserve

5th May 2007, 09:23

well as for the racing of the TBO's we could definately install a TBO Class server or 2 on the UKCT box... but the best we could offer in terms of quality assurance is linking it to our wrecker barricade system... Just until either the STCC restarts, or someone else creates something to take it's place (if anyone does).. Sam will be awake soon i'm sure he'll also think of something :)

March Hare

5th May 2007, 10:55

I want STCC back! :weeping:

StableX

5th May 2007, 11:08

I think its testament to a great system when so many like myself have come to only play on STCC servers. Yes, I totally understand people's views about purchasing LFS S2 and then wanting the ability to use all the cars, but really for me, I play on STCC because each race gives the possibility to play for something. Even a few virtual points that goes toward something.

In most games I play, be it single player or Multiplayer, having the ability to play for something with every match or game, is a great feature!

I hope you get your issues sorted out Becky and by that time Insim has been sorted allowing STCC to rise to glory!

Rtsbasic

5th May 2007, 11:13

Sorry to hear the STCC's gone for now, TBH most of the fun races I've had this year have been in those servers. I hope when circumstances allow, the STCC will make a return.

MikeBlue

5th May 2007, 11:29

Hello to every driver of STCC, I am french so sorry if I do some errors in my post... :-)

I am not sure to have understood what is the major problem running down STCC servers... but I would like to say few words to thanks the STCC admin Beckly and other for there very good job. I hope that you are going back soon.
The level of professionalism of these STCC servers was high and intelligent, so don't let other destroy your force and let us hope to a better SIM world...

I thanks all of you very good driver who have help me to progress... a little !.

I am a french software engineer so if I could help STCC do not hesitate to contact me...

If all of you want I propose to do a post with all driver name who want to encourage beckly, sam, victor and other.

If a financial help could help STCC we could try a donation coming from all drivers ?

Hope to meet STCC soon...

Michel.

mkserve

5th May 2007, 11:35

MikeBLue.... We may just take you up on that offer ;)

At this early stage it is hard to know what is to come. Becky brought More than just software to the STCC system... When we know what's going on, we will make sure everyone does..

Thanks for the continued support guys :thumb: , we all appreciate it, really :)

Greboth

5th May 2007, 13:01

maddmaff

5th May 2007, 13:26

isuppose ishould say thanks to all in the stcc,,everyone incuding devs and racers made sure that the servers were the best places to race ..just a thought on the stuff that is going on in the background concerning abuse levelled at becky,,i read the licencing agreement for when you purchace a licence and this stuck in my mind
1.5Extreme disruptive or offensive behaviour by a user, towards the developers or members of the community, may result in temporary or permanent suspension of the user's Live for Speed license.
as anything been done in this respect as it clearly states that LICENCES MAY BE REVOKED and i'm sure that people know who the giulty parties are
i hope that becky and the rest of the team come back soon as i really miss the server and was looking forward to getting into the league(maybe),,COME BACK SOON GUYS we miss you

andy29

5th May 2007, 14:00

Unlike the person who made the videos, Becky is an adult, and I hope she will get in contact with Scawen/Victor if she hasn't already. It would be good if the person is kicked out because the community just doesn't need somebody like that.*

Sam, I'm glad that you are speaking to each other again :)

Edit: * Well, it depends what happened between them, because of course we don't know much about it.

csurdongulos

5th May 2007, 14:16

most of the stuff I was thinking has already been said before, so I'd just like to say that I enjoyed my time on the STCC public servers and the league as well. Looks like the league is going to be carried on with, which is good, but I'll miss the broadcasts and the public racing as well.

all the best to you Becky, I am sure you'll sort your stuff out and hopefully restart the STCC project someday.

qoncept

5th May 2007, 17:35

Unfortunately, although the league itself could be managed by people other than Becky, the Fundimental software that the league requires to operate, and much of the Broadcast recording, cannot be done and maintained without her.
I don't buy that. It's clear Becky is a pretty accomplished software developer, and, at least everywhere I've ever worked, leaving yourself an "out" due to developer retention is a huge concern. I'm a programmer in the Air Force where we go through people constantly, and having a plan for a replacements is just something the industry needs to do. Coming in with no prior knowledge and picking something this kind of project isn't at all impossible -- it happens all the time. Sure, it won't happen without a hiccup, but "cannot" is simply not true.

I've personally spent the last year and a half developing an open source tuning suite (shameless plug: www.enginuity.org (http://www.enginuity.org) ;) ) and have had to deal with many of the same issues as Becky -- real life cutting in to time I had for the project or causing other stress, supporting users, maintaining a forum, threats and accusations from dirty commercial entities, etc. Recently, like Becky, I decided it was just all too much and handed over the position of program manager to another team member. It's very tough -- I wrote it from the ground up, spent countless hours researching, coding, testing, answering questions, defending myself. Luckily more and more developers came along and have made it far better than I ever could have alone. It's my baby, but unfortunately it was best for me and everyone else to hand it over to someone else and take a lesser role in the team, but not just call it quits and apologize for it ceasing to exist.

I've only been around for about a month and I love the STCC. For me, it gave the game purpose. Joining pickup races or going for personal bests is fine, but the STCC gave me the only place to race people whose skill I could even come close to, and it gave me a way to progress. I have tremendous respect for Becky and all of the other team members and appreciate everything they've done. I can't imagine that it won't return in some capacity. One more vote for finding a way to bring it back. :)

Becky, if you read this (and you've probably heard enough of everyone else's insight, but here's my piece), it seems to me you've wanted to be in control of as much of the STCC as possible and its hard for you to hand it over to someone else, which I can relate to. But I think you'll be happier in the end to see it succeeding under someone else than to fade in to obscruity. ;) Thanks again for all the work you've done in making the STCC what it is.

SamH

5th May 2007, 18:00

I don't buy that. It's clear Becky is a pretty accomplished software developer, and, at least everywhere I've ever worked, leaving yourself an "out" due to developer retention is a huge concern.
As far as the public servers are concerned, Mikey's quite correct. You have to remember that the STCC was a community project, involving the voluntary work of Becky, Mike, me and the STCC admin team. Becky's core program handled the logic that the STCC used. The database is UKCT's work, as is the API that Becky's program interfaced with.

Without Becky, the program would cease to function anyway, with the advent of Patch X which I think is expected in about 2 weeks. From there on, the STCC application would have to be either re-written by Becky, or patched by Becky. The source files are Becky's, and only Becky has access to them. Continuing the STCC without Becky's input is absolutely not an option. Ripping the .exes would not be an option, not least since Becky's deleted it from the UKCT server via FTP (not to mention that it's Becky's intellectual property, so it wouldn't be an option anyway).

The only alternative would be a re-branded application, written from the ground up. This is an option. Unfortunately, the only programmer on the UKCT team with application programming skills to match Becky's isn't available for this project. Yet. He's off writing some weird and wonderful thing that I don't understand. It will take Mike and I a little time to get up to speed with our application programming skills before we're able to generate anything capable of interacting with InSim and running servers, interfacing with the STCC licence database etc. With Becky no longer being on-board with the project, things will initially travel at the speed of proverbial mud.

I have far more hours and energy invested in the STCC than I think anyone realises. That the rug has been pulled from under us as far as the existing STCC system is concerned has not in any way reduced my momentum on it. I would never invest this amount of time and effort in something, just to let it disappear like it has. SOMETHING will come in its place, of that you can be absolutely sure. What comes will not be as easily broken by the departure from the project of one single person. Lesson 1 learned.

Tokartta

5th May 2007, 18:22

... I hope those who posted will post again on this thread to show what a huge number of grateful supporters STCC has...

Victor demolished my previous post of this, and the one before is now in a locked thread, so I'll post it again. Feel free to skip if you've read it previously:

Becky, the STCC system has produced a number of things.

Primarily, bloody superb racing. Pick-up races tend to, in my experience, be effectively over after the first two laps or so as the order shakes out and unassailable gaps form, and while this of course happens on the STCC servers also, it seems to be a much less regular occurrence, on the STCC2 servers at least.

Sometimes, especially on enduro nights with pit-stops, you get some absolute hum-dingers - really intense, heart-in-mouth, bumper to bumper action that lasts for, potentially, the entire race. I have replays to that effect. Even the spectators commented.

This is because there's a whole new skillset being used by the drivers; instead of getting a better exit and pulling to the inside at the first possible opportunity, people use something which you don't see very often at all outside of league racing: The application of pressure.

As anyone that has seen an orange car being rather large in their mirrors will know, I like to follow people very closely, both on straights (easy) or through corners (hard). If the person in front is inexperienced, they'll usually go off on their own sooner or later because they're too busy worrying about me to actually focus on the track. If the person in front is able to cope with it, then you can feel a certain confidence with them. You know you're on to a great battle when you feel that you have a ... sort of... memorandum of understanding with the other person - e.g. feeling confident that they know what you're up to when forcing to the outside or the inside etc.

Again, that new skillset is being used: focussing on the track rather than your mirrors while appreciating anyone that may be right on your arse, inching up on people under braking, reading the movements of backmarkers and taking them strategically, reading other peoples lines - knowing when they're intentionally going defensive by taking the inside, having tyre cooling problems etc., dealing with low front grip due to slipstream, knowing when to pull alongside and when not to - and when you are alongside, how to spot a closed door early enough and yield without losing any ground, the importance of trust.... etc.

These skills are being used by the second thing that the STCC has produced: bloody superb people. When I joined the silver server for the first time, after coming third in a 50 minute ky2r UF1 race (never again), I spectated for a race or two and thought that if I were to go out on track, I would crap myself the moment the blue flag message popped up. There was a real weight to it, these other people were the... elder statesmen. I can say now, with some conviction, that since then I've become a better racer to the degree of an order of magnitude, thanks simply to being around other people that the STCC system had previously produced. I'm now aiming to compete in the STCC in season 2, if the number of entries increases and I'm quick enough.

I'm not saying that all of the above can't be found elsewhere - Any league can provide great racing, although with that comes enormous weight - but I've had races on the STCC servers that you won't find anywhere else.

Becky, I really hope you can get all of your problems sorted, it'd be a bloody great shame if the servers went down for a large expanse of time. Devastating, even.

For the people moaning: If you've had a problem with the STCC servers due to other people being idiots, then for god's sake report it. It does work. If you've suffered a glitch in the license system or you've forcibly had your points removed and wish to enquire about it, then bear in mind that Becky has an enormous amount of stuff on her plate at the best of times, and you haranguing her isn't going to get you many answers very quickly. If you're just against the whole idea of objective driven racing in the first place, then that's fair enough, but let me and others tell you that the system works beautifully. Sure, it's not perfect, the points system is always tweakable, but the results speak for themselves.

Wow, that was a longer post (read: ramble) than I set out to write. :P

- Tokartta. STCC Gold licensed. Bloody proud of it, too.As I said before, within minutes of me writing that the first time, I was on bl1r with a couple of super clean racers in one of the best LFS sessions I've ever had.

I'm just going to add to above by confronting the people that suggest that a league is an equal alternative: The STCC servers were a half-way house; the midpoint between pick-up racing and league racing, taking the best from both worlds. If you screw up, then you apologise if necessary, make a bit of light from it, and prepare yourself to join again at the following restart; life goes on. In a league, if you screw up, that's it, game over, there's much more of an onus on you to keep it together. In a league, success matters. That's what I meant above with "...any league can provide great racing, although with that comes enormous weight..."

I've had a lot of memorable races just over the last week or so; My charge from a crap start on so5 from about 6th to 1st, not just through T1 or even over the first lap, but over about 6 laps. I took the lead, pitted a lap or two later, and came out about 10ft behind the person I had already overtaken for 1st after a 4-lap battle a couple of minutes ago. Another battle ensued, and I managed to take the win, just about. Good race, Bravus. :)

Then there was the almighty so3 race a few weeks ago. The server switched to so3, which soon did what it does best: Bring out the worst in people's driving. A few people issued a call of restraint, and the following race was an example of what so3 also does: Bring out the best in people's driving. Even on such a difficult, and in places narrow circuit, there was proper execution of racecraft, and plenty of respect. The pack stayed together for pretty much the whole race, and it was enduro night. That's saying something. I think I described it as a "masterclass" at the time.

The bl1r race I referred to above was as much a race as it was a broadcast, some *epic* battles amongst people in front of me which was a joy to watch, and even more of a joy to compete within when I eventually picked the pace up. I could go on...

Since the servers disappeared there's still some TBO action on the go, notably at the OLT server, and the Dead Men's Racing server too, but it just doesn't... feel .. the same. STCC2 had a quality, an aura, a sort of ... gravity to it, everyone had their copper and bronze (and some, their silver and gold) experiences beneath them, it felt that you deserved to be there and everyone else knew that just as well as you did.

Becky (and team), thanks for the great racing. I really, really hope it's back soon, and I'd like to step forward in whatever capacity I can to help.

Tokartta voted to RESTART

qoncept

5th May 2007, 18:23

Well, I wasn't under the impression that Becky was keeping the source to herself. That I would truly not understand.

If Becky comes back, or if you or someone else begins working on something new and could use input or some work from another developer, I would be willing to try to fit it in to my schedule. :)

SamH

5th May 2007, 18:31

Don't get me wrong.. I don't know if she'd give the source if someone asked for it. It's not VB, C++ or any other language that any of us know, so whether we had the source code or not, there's still a steep learning curve before we could emulate what we've had before.

Tokartta

5th May 2007, 18:33

On on the off-chance that it's Ruby, I know someone seriously good with it that may be able to help.

SamH

5th May 2007, 18:36

I think it's called Blitz Basic. I don't know much about it, except it's game-oriented, or graphic-oriented.. I think. Maybe. Umm..

:)

The Moose

5th May 2007, 18:43

I keep firing up LFS, loading up the server list, staring at it for 2 mins then shutting down LFS... There's nowhere i want to race:razz:. I feel a bit lost without STCC.
I might have to resort to going out into the real world again:scratchch.

Becky Rose

5th May 2007, 18:47

The source files are Becky's, and only Becky has access to them. Continuing the STCC without Becky's input is absolutely not an option. Ripping the .exes would not be an option, not least since Becky's deleted it from the UKCT server via FTP (not to mention that it's Becky's intellectual property, so it wouldn't be an option anyway).

FFS! I have not been partial to any discussion regarding handing over of the STCC Management software or source. I removed the software on closing the system as a method of causing the application to exit and to prevent a relaunch that night, which I felt was necessary for reasons I wont go into. The system was closing very soon anyway it was just slightly earlier than expected.

In the morning there hardly seemed a point in opening the public servers again, they're dying very soon anyway without an update and i've had far too much stress out of the whole STCC thing. Now there's even more, where this came from I dont know, you could have spoken to me about it.

Now there's a complaint above for not training an apprentice programmer? ARGH! I just want peace and quiet. I'm exhausted, stressed, and I cannot take any more.

Look the STCC servers where very good, but they where not the be all and end all. They where just some public racing servers that got constantly flamed and bashed when they where around, and now they're gone so I figured now there's nothing to complain about. I got that wrong, but the point is there really wasn't anything special about them ... at least, if I said otherwise i'd get flamed for it.

So you see, I dont want the project to come back - I want it dead. I want it dead so that I can walk away from it. I want it gone and forgotten so that people stop attacking me.

They where a stupid idea anyway.

Shotglass

5th May 2007, 18:49

Dandy Dust

5th May 2007, 18:49

Hi there!

As I used to drive STTC and now found the league down, I would like to know what the reason(s) were
for that!?

Please can someone say in simple words, what caused
the (sudden?!) end of the league?

Greetings, Z30 Dandy Dust

qoncept

5th May 2007, 18:54

Now there's a complaint above for not training an apprentice programmer? ARGH! I just want peace and quiet. I'm exhausted, stressed, and I cannot take any more.
Yes, that's exactly what I said. I was afraid someone might read that as "I don't think its as impossible as you do for someone to take over for Becky" -- thank god you read it correctly.

The whole point was I was telling you, Becky, that I felt we had something in common and I was offering my advice and support. At the same time, I was trying to let other people know that (at least I think) running the STCC in your absence (edit: typo) isn't impossible. But you've made it clear enough that we are absolutely nothing alike and now the only advice I have is that if you can't help but misinterpret or ignore everyone's kind words and can only see the complaints, quit reading the damn forums.

SamH

5th May 2007, 18:56

Now there's a complaint above for not training an apprentice programmer? ARGH! I just want peace and quiet. I'm exhausted, stressed, and I cannot take any more.
That's a silly way to read what I said, tbh. There is no reasonable way to go from me stating that nobody is up to speed on the language, or has access to the source, to me complaining about nobody being trained up.

I accept that you don't want to be involved in the project any more. I certainly know the reasons why. I have no beef. :)

But that doesn't mean that nothing like the STCC should exist in the future. And as I said before, I'm not interested in letting it go. :)

StableX

5th May 2007, 19:00

I'm not interested in letting it go. :)

neither am I!!!!

Becky Rose

5th May 2007, 19:08

Right, manager is being uploaded. development folders are on their way to Sam. On SRA2 the driver aids are screwed, I was going to rip them out and rewrite them, i'd advise going with SRA2 rather than trying to patch SRA1 - just use it for reference of how to do things.

If you want to open some servers with the old manager, just edit the welcome messages and do it in a new name rather than STCC. I'd suggest UKCT.

No technical support given.

s1m0n

5th May 2007, 19:42

Don't know what to say. Too many things to say. Big loss for LFS community for both racing and developers.
It's a shame that people who can't control their anger make the things they make, and it's a bigger shame that people around him support him! But, I don't want to start that all over again.
Becky, your work has been at least amazing. What the STCC servers did, no other server ever did for LFS and now they are gone. I understand that you are having RL problems and that you are sick of it all but I cannot stress enough how that servers were important to me. My online time will be cut to one third of the time I spent racing when STCC was here.
Bad day for LFS racing, bad day.........

shiny_red_cobra

5th May 2007, 19:56

Bad day for LFS racing, bad day.........

I suppose you could call it "Black Friday" (yesterday).

I will definately miss the STCC, but I do look forward to seeing if sam can pick up the pieces and put them together. Good luck sam, we're all behind you on this one!

Easy_Mike

5th May 2007, 19:58

..........i hope i will come across drivers such as Sparky Dave, Swiss Tony, Lord Blaster, Bravus, Viper(RUS) and all the others i enjoyed such close,clean racing with over these last three months. It's been a pleasure.

Hey...wtf..u didnt put me on your fanlist:smileypul :D

but i miss it too...good clean racing is what LFS is about..and the names above is just a fraction of good racers out there...

i too have s*itloads of cr*p happening IRL..so i know that LFS is not on the "need to do list"...
lets just hope that STCC makes a comeback..or if not..u might see other servers taking the ideà s becky made..and use them in there own way.

peace out racers...:thumb:

AmayaYuukuno

5th May 2007, 20:25

It would be wonderful to see something similar to STCC coming up in the near future, but for everybody's peace of mind, I'd suggest waiting a week or two. Feelings need to calm down, rants need to be read to mirrors etc, and patches need to be done.

Becky, I salute you for your hard work! I hope you can look back on the STCC League in fond memories when everything is over. I hope your RL works out perfectly for you, gods know you deserve it. I wish you a happy future.

Sam, if you, and the rest of UKCT, manage to get something running, I'm sure you'd get as much support as Becky has have from the drivers.

Everyone else, go offline and perfect your sets, and lets meet on some server somewhere and have d%¤" good races! I hope to meet all you crazy bustards ( ;P ) in the near future, I just hope I find a car I can drive at the time. A.Yuukuno will still fight you for that 6th place every time I can!

Me? Well, I'll stay low for a week or two, gonna take a vacation rather soon as well. After that, I'll see if I can find some obscure server to race on, my RB4 skills should be up to par by then (still suck at the others.) ;)

Goodbye STCC, may I meet your reincarnation.

/A.Yuukuno
K. Elfstrand

SamH

5th May 2007, 21:20

Sam, if you, and the rest of UKCT, manage to get something running, I'm sure you'd get as much support as Becky has have from the drivers.
[...]
Goodbye STCC, may I meet your reincarnation.

/A.Yuukuno
K. Elfstrand
You WILL INDEED! :D
With Becky's help (thank you Becky! :throwrose ), we are already up and running!

We now have 4 servers online! -

UKCT 1a: XFG and XRG (S1)
UKCT 1b: UF1
UKCT 2a: TBO (S1)
UKCT 2b: TBOYour STCC licences are valid (WEEHEEEE!!!), and EVEN MORE points can be earned! :)

I will make a more formal announcement shortly, in the General Discussion thread.. there's quite a bit of work to do, to re-brand the servers and the web interface. Becky has asked us to re-brand, and I think that's perfectly sensible. :) We've opted, in the short term, to name it the "UKCT Race Authority", or "UKCTRA", although it isn't necessarily set in stone. It's just something we can work with in the short term, and since it's now entirely in-house with the UKCT, it makes sense. Yes, we're a self-appointed race authority ;)

Becky has very kindly uploaded all the source code for the project, and we have Eddy on-board to help us too. Eddy's the guy I mentioned, who's UKCT's offensively clever application coder. He'll be helping Mike and I, when we get stuck.

dave

5th May 2007, 21:47

Thanks Sam, becky and ukct guys, awesome news :)

Tokartta

5th May 2007, 22:01

Isn't the 'SRA' name still valid? It would make much more sense to name the servers "SRA 2a (Silver & Gold)" etc. There are two problems with the current naming: Firstly, calling it UKCT makes it sound like it's just a public team server, which isn't the case. Secondly, the (New & Bronze), (Silver & Gold) brackets were rather important. The new servers don't stand out to those looking for the old ones.

If 'SRA' is not to be used, pick something else entirely separate from the team, as you're naming an authority, not a server.

Great news though, and thanks to Becky for enabling the whole thing, and to the UKCT chaps who have taken a huge task on.

SamH

5th May 2007, 22:13

We've been discussing this very topic this evening. UKCT is, actually, much "larger" than its LFS team. Many of the people in the UKCT group have never used even the demo version of LFS, though in total about 20 UKCT members have bought LFS. Only around 5 or so (of the actual UKCT people, rather than the LFS team) are active LFSers.

UKCT stands for UK Computing Team. We're a group of IT professionals, with members who are from all aspects of computing. Only a very tiny corner of UKCT is actually an LFS team.

In the short term, just so we can get it under an umbrella, we've called it the UKCTRA just for now. We did consider SMRA, or "Sim Motor Racing Authority", but it is a big name indeed, and we'd be able to expect some grief for being so presumptuous. We're banding around names for it, and will very possibly throw it open for you guys to pick from our favourites. :)

Swiss_Tony

5th May 2007, 22:14

The STCC is dead. Long live the UKCTRA :)

Well done Sam. I admire your attitude to press ahead and persist in the midst of adversity (and some totally un-warranted criticism) and not letting go of what has already been achieved here. That's a true sign of dedication. For what it's worth, you have my total support.

I won't and haven't commented on what I think of this recent fiasco because there's no point. Let's move on to solve the problems at hand so that we can get back to what we all want from this, which is - some quality racing.

Swiss

SamH

5th May 2007, 22:16

It's worth a tremendous amount, Tony. Thank you! :)

EvilVendingMachine

5th May 2007, 22:18

Good luck Becky.

Quick work Sam. Long live whatever you renamed it because i already 4got. :D :razz:

Vain

5th May 2007, 22:19

Thanks Becky for taking the courage to give away your project.
Thanks Sam and all of UKCT for taking over.

Vain

FOGlegsy

5th May 2007, 22:28

Thanks Becky for taking the courage to give away your project.
Thanks Sam and all of UKCT for taking over.

Vain
i agree thanks UKCT and thanks becky for letting UKCT run your software, WE LOVE YOU BECKY (even if you dont know it) its a shame we cant see your programing get to the places you wished for, without you onboard things will probrably progress slowly, but i am very thankfull that you handed over the hardship to somebody else, chill out and get some "me time" LFS will be waiting for your return

SamH

5th May 2007, 22:40

Thanks Becky for taking the courage to give away your project.
I'd like to echo that.. it takes a lot of courage to give away your code. It's a really difficult thing to do, to relinquish your "baby", so Becky totally rocks for having the strength to do it. :thumb:

Tokartta

5th May 2007, 22:42

May I suggest SMA? Simulation Motorsport Authority. Or, you can do the same thing that they did with UTC by combining english and french word order to make it SAM :P

It's supposed to sound big and grandiose, it's an authority.

Jakg

5th May 2007, 22:43

i suggest "UKCT - Simulation & Management", but they didn't like the acronym :D

keithano

5th May 2007, 23:04

So Sam, is this forum going to change its title too?

Hyperactive

5th May 2007, 23:12

Thanks Becky for taking the courage to give away your project.
Thanks Sam and all of UKCT for taking over.

Vain

+1 defenately :)

All the best for Becky and all the best for the UKCT team as well :)

SLIDE WAYZ

5th May 2007, 23:12

wooo thank u so much for gettin it back online, althought i just went in a server and i was able to drive the Rb4 with a bronze license? is the license system not in effect yet?

The Moose

5th May 2007, 23:17

Wow, great news:thumb:
Thanks so much to Becky for enabling this to happen. It's a move that is appreciated by a huge amount of people.
And thanks a lot to Sam and the UKCT guys for taking this on. Best of luck moving this onwards and upwards. We're right behind you (apart from on the track, where i intend to be right in front of you:razz:)

Now if only the TBO's weren't on a bloody RallyX track at the moment my night would be complete:D

paddy_racer

5th May 2007, 23:19

Wooo good job UKCT for keeping it running and thank you Becky

SamH

5th May 2007, 23:37

wooo thank u so much for gettin it back online, althought i just went in a server and i was able to drive the Rb4 with a bronze license? is the license system not in effect yet?
Bugger! LOL! No, you're not supposed to be able to drive that. We'll be doing some testing properly over the next day or so, so enjoy it while you can ;)

Zachary Zoomy

5th May 2007, 23:54

great job all for getting this up and running. I just got 19 pts for a win

U4IK ST8

6th May 2007, 00:25

:clapclap:

Great to see something good can come out of all this.:D

As everyone has said, a big THANK YOU to Becky for letting the UKCT keep her "baby" going.:thumb:

And also a just as big THANK YOU to UKCT for taking up the challenge of keeping this going for all us STCC addicts. :thumbsup:

I've only had 1 or 2 races since STCC closed, LFS just didn't feel the same, for me anyway.

Well, I'll see you lads on these servers soon, I have my first OLFSL race tomorrow in the RAC(Pool 5:shy:), I'm still practicing.:schwitz:

Thanks again Becky and UKCT, very much appreciated.:)

MikeBlue

6th May 2007, 00:52

Very good news for every racers.

Good luck to Becky and thanks again for your intelligence to accept to give your project.

You have made in one shot 10.000 racers happy.....:thumb:.

Fischfix

6th May 2007, 01:05

good to hear its going on! FRIENDSHIP! :)

SamH

6th May 2007, 01:06

So Sam, is this forum going to change its title too?
The STCC league still exists. Becky's confirmed that, at least for this season, it will continue to its conclusion. This is really good news for us racers, although the bad news is that there won't be any broadcasts.

I'll talk to Becky about it. I think she'll probably ask for this section to close, especially since there's an LFS league forum on the STCC's own server.

As for a new one opening for the UKCTRA (if that's going to be its name), I'm not sure if it'll be necessary. We don't plan to have much of a forum presence. The UKCT coders are not active forumers (apart from me, and I'm not going to be involved in the project, particularly) and another UKCT member (tbd) will be assuming the role of forum liason.

So.. in short.. dunno! ;)

Mykl

6th May 2007, 01:36

In the spirit of positive reinforcement...

I want to say that I sincerely appreciate the STCC team's hard work. I've been gaming online for years and to be perfectly honest, this is quite possibly the very best experience I've ever had with any game. The game is good, the competition is great, the people are friendly (mostly), and the admins have set sensible policies.

In the future please remember that just because people complain and moan on the forums, and that you may get some nasty reports it doesn't mean that there aren't many more who really appreciate this service. It's just that when the going is good, the happy people tend to keep to themselves and may not vocalize their good feelings regarding the situation as often as they should.

Shotglass

6th May 2007, 02:43

great move of you to pass the project on
more power to those who lay their sources open

CELTIC100

6th May 2007, 02:47

I can't thank Becky enough your a diamond :thumb: all the best in your new project and I will look forward to bumping bumpers again sometime :D

All the best to Sam and the UKCT team :thumbsup: if you need help just ask as if anything good has come of this it's been a wake up call to the community and has brought people closer together.

Edit : Came up with a name....... IRSLA.........International Race Sim Licence Authority

What do you think :)

The Moose

6th May 2007, 02:50

Ahh, That's better:) Familiar faces, good racing, track rotation,a few more points added to the licence, up far too late again, all is good in the (sim)world again...happy racers all round:thumb:

Night all:D

dawesdust_12

6th May 2007, 03:19

Simon, will this mean that the Userbars will be re-designed? (and make all UKCT morons administrators?)?

SamH

6th May 2007, 04:22

Dusty, I need to talk to Victor about it first. If it's okay with him to continue the userbars, I'll redesign.

@CELTIC.. I'm not sure about IRSLA.. I dunno if I'd ever get it in the right order ;) but it's an option! Because we plan to extend the licencing option to participating servers other than our own, I'm beginning to think that "SRA" or "SMRA" (Sim Motor Racing Authority/Association) is not an unreasonable name for it. (Yes, yes Tokartta.. I'm hearing you! LOL!)

Perhaps when I've had a sleep, I'll be able to think clearer.. cos I'm thinking clear as mud right now! :D

UsuL

6th May 2007, 05:33

Sunday, 7:20 in the morning ... and all I was thinking was "Let's read about STCC!" ... I got to be really addicted, hardly nerd and completly gone :x.

By the way, let me add my thanks to Becky and her decision to give the code away, now we can be back on line with the public server with point system again and have a lot of fun!

Yesterday I've met Becky on a FM server, but I avoided to directly say something or just say "Hi Becky", 'couse I thought she only needed to have fun and not think about STCC and so on ... I wasn't noticed already about the new UKCT servers based on the STCC codes, otherwise at least I would say thanks directly. :)

It's sad that today I have to go to a real track to follow our racers that compete in the Desmo Challenge: so i can't nerderize my self on the new servers! :D

Wish a good luck to SamH and all the UKCT team for the servers, wish a good luck to Becky for the new projects she's developing, hope to get you all again on line soon!

Let's get this thump-up from me!

http://unisol.ngi.it/usul/private/thumbUp_fast.jpg

:D

March Hare

6th May 2007, 06:37

Thank you.

dawesdust_12

6th May 2007, 07:32

Sam, lets just call it the DSLA (Dustin and Sam Licence Assosiation :P)

SKaREO

6th May 2007, 07:42

Thanks for bringing back the servers! That's great news. :D:thumbsup3
:balloons:

hughesie89

6th May 2007, 08:24

what her?

i have just heard now that stcc is closed
what happended was there any warning
ok so is going to be something simalar ukctra is it going to be like stcc

Hyperactive

6th May 2007, 08:41

Sam, lets just call it the DSLA (Dustin and Sam Licence Assosiation :P)

D-SLAP ;)

CELTIC100

6th May 2007, 09:00

Sam, lets just call it the DSLA (Dustin and Sam Licence Assosiation :P)

Nah just call it D.U.S.T.I.N - Dustin's United Sim Training IT Noobs :saythat:

Best of luck again Guy's :thumb:

dawesdust_12

6th May 2007, 09:03

Naah, my ego isn't THAT big that it needs the whole system named after me, just a majority of it named after me.

dmarko

6th May 2007, 09:05

Great news for lfs racers :)
Thanks Becky,UKCTRA,Sam and all of the people who works hard to bring back this great project..

AndroidXP

6th May 2007, 09:12

Thank you Sam, for keeping this awesome project alive, and thank you Becky, for making that possible :petals:

Jakg

6th May 2007, 09:13

what her?

i have just heard now that stcc is closed
what happended was there any warning
ok so is going to be something simalar ukctra is it going to be like stccseriously - read the thread first, this is the second time you've posted something like this

maddmaff

6th May 2007, 09:41

to becky rose,, with all that has happenned within lfs and your real life i think you are an outstanding person to listen to all those who miss sttc and give up all your hard work so that they may carry on with the princibles of the system you placed within the community,,i think i speak for 99 percent of us out here when i say well done for showing people what its like to be a strong person and for still caring about others even in times of stress,,YOU ARE A GREAT PERSON and dont let anyone tell you different,,if i ever met you in real life you would get a great big hug and thank you from me,, i hope all goes well in yopur future,,bye for now becky and good luck

mcintyrej

6th May 2007, 09:51

BRILLIANT news. But i can't help but wonder, are the new features coming that would have been in SRA? Such as the Logitech Rally servers..

Oh, and i'd just like to give a huge thanks to Becky Rose, for handing the project over, as well as Sam. For being there all the way through.

You guys have revolutionised the way people think and play LFS, I hope you can continue to do so in the future.

Thanks!

mkserve

6th May 2007, 10:35

Right. Well.. I was informed this morning that i am learning Basic (blitz basic.. whatever it is), so it looks like i have alot of work ahead of me (damn you simon) LOL....

I'd like to just start of by saying a big thanks in advance for all the support you guys are showing for this.. and i'm hoping i can call on a few of you basic programmers if i get stuck <G>...

Anyways, Just to clarify for you guys, when (if) if figure this out, and get something working, we will consider changes to the Branding and structure of the authority.

Until the software is complete, it will pretty much be used by UKCT and branded as such until completed (although you can all still use it as much as you like :) ).. Once completed, we will throw the question of stucture, and branding out there for you guys. Until then, please dont start with the complaints about the branding etc etc.... It has to start somewhere, The main reason for Calling it UKCTRA atm is purely so people know who to report any bugs etc to :)

ta

Mikey :)

dawesdust_12

6th May 2007, 10:37

Well, mike, I've taken a look at the source also and it has some similarities to PHP, so I'm sure you can get it. Somehow I think that you can do it.

Becky Rose

6th May 2007, 11:30

btw. I never, ever, comment my code. :D I have no nead, I speak it natively, so the poor soul is in for a rough ride.

mkserve

6th May 2007, 12:26

thats ok becky... just dont give me hell about my indenting again :D

hehehehehehehehe

Thanks Becky.. You are a star :)

wsinda

6th May 2007, 13:13

I'm beginning to think that "SRA" or "SMRA" (Sim Motor Racing Authority/Association) is not an unreasonable name for it.How about "SImulated Motorsports Competition Authority? It has an easy-to-pronounce acronym (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simca). :D

SamH

6th May 2007, 13:40

How about "SImulated Motorsports Competition Authority? It has an easy-to-pronounce acronym (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simca). :D
:really: ::shudders::

LOL! Think of something elllllssssssse!!! :D

The Moose

6th May 2007, 13:43

Points system/commands seem to be down Sam/whoever:shrug:

Macels

6th May 2007, 14:02

SamH - Just curious, what's your confidence that you'll be prepared for this next game patch coming out? From what I understand, the current system will be totally screwed by it?

Becky - Just started playing LFS, and on the STCC servers last week. I enjoyed it while it lasted... Also enjoyed watching the race coverage.. Thanks!

SamH

6th May 2007, 14:11

Points system/commands seem to be down Sam/whoever:shrug:
I'll check into it.. I just asked on one of the servers, and was told it's working fine :shrug: I'll go in, in a moment, to test for myself :)
SamH - Just curious, what's your confidence that you'll be prepared for this next game patch coming out? From what I understand, the current system will be totally screwed by it?
Scawen's leaving some legacy constructs, to help make the transition more gentle. This will help tremendously. The best bit is that Becky's given us the SRA2 source as well as the original SRA source, and the SRA2 has most of the work already done for us. The only obstacle is the learning curve. We've 2 weeks to get on top of it, though, and I think we'll be there, or nearly there, by the time Patch X goes live :)

mkserve

6th May 2007, 14:13

The New Insim being released is a bit of a challenge, However Becky had already started on a re-write of the current system to work with it. We're quietly confident we will be able to complete our changes in time, however, we cant promise.. Both Myself and Sam are learning basic just to complete this.. So it's a learning project for us.

This being said, we have already had a look at the existing code, and it seems to make sense.. shouldn't be anything we cant handle :)

--- Looking into the points system problem now guys, thanks :)

Sorry for the duplicate team post guys... his post wasn't submitted when i clicked reply :D lol

The Moose

6th May 2007, 14:14

I'll check into it.. I just asked on one of the servers, and was told it's working fine :shrug: I'll go in, in a moment, to test for myself :)
Definitely not working on 2B

Macels

6th May 2007, 14:22

Visual Basic? I know VB6 (well, as it pertains to VB for MS office) pretty well if you need any advice or help.

The New Insim being released is a bit of a challenge, However Becky had already started on a re-write of the current system to work with it. We're quietly confident we will be able to complete our changes in time, however, we cant promise.. Both Myself and Sam are learning basic just to complete this.. So it's a learning project for us.

This being said, we have already had a look at the existing code, and it seems to make sense.. shouldn't be anything we cant handle :)

--- Looking into the points system problem now guys, thanks :)

Sorry for the duplicate team post guys... his post wasn't submitted when i clicked reply :D lol

mkserve

6th May 2007, 14:25

nope Blitz3d (using basic as the main language)

blitz3d is a specific application programming language for 3d Games etc.

Not looking forward to it :( lol

ta

Mike

CSU1

6th May 2007, 14:28

Was on there last night in the XFG and I was soooo kicking all your asses hahahahhaha, I am god:D

Becky Rose

6th May 2007, 14:33

Once you sort out the driver aids and car/licence requirements section of code the SRA2 program should be easy to finish, and I think you may have found by now that it's much more powerful and versatile/expandable. It should rock :) Anything less than brilliance will dissapoint me, ok Sam & Mike :D

SamH

6th May 2007, 14:36

If beckyStare {
GoSub BootsTremble(Pants(iPee))
}

Yes Ma'am! ;)

Viper93

6th May 2007, 14:43

mkserve

6th May 2007, 14:45

bah........... thanks.......... Not only do i suffer the wrath of the LFS world if i screw this up... I now have to suffer the wrath of becky ( which i find far more scary :( )

Sam... no matter what i do.... you're the face of this... i just decided :D

hehehehehehe

SamH

6th May 2007, 15:02

Nahh.. it's all down to Eddy.

Who's Eddy?

Exactly! :D

Jakg

6th May 2007, 15:40

Eddy? we keep him locked in a UKCT "cupboard under the stairs" where we keep him coding and refuse to let him speak :D

I had an idea for the press release

"The four main elements that make the UKCT RA the place it is.

Barricaded,
Database,
Simulation,
Management.

We like to refer to this under this snappy acronym:

"UKCT BDSM""

mkserve

6th May 2007, 15:44

errr..... no... jack.... simply, no :)

Jakg

6th May 2007, 15:51

...do you not like UKCT BDSM then? :(

herki

6th May 2007, 15:57

btw. I never, ever, comment my code. :D I have no nead, I speak it natively, so the poor soul is in for a rough ride.

Hah! Sometimes comments can come in handy. Okay, my comments are either not understandable for anybody else than me or commented out debug-lines, but they can come in handy :p

paddy_racer

6th May 2007, 15:57

...do you not like UKCT BDSM then?

Sounds very kinky:smileypul:scratchch

Ton van Rijn

6th May 2007, 16:49

Great news !!!
As a noob (also with online gaming) I soon "discovered" the STCC server as a great way to learn racing and was very disappointed that it was already gone after a few days.

niall09

6th May 2007, 17:03

well its kind of back now but a different team taking it on :)

andy29

6th May 2007, 17:08

One small question - is there any chance you could plonk a few more tyres onto the last chicane of Fern Bay Green like it was? :)

Shotglass

6th May 2007, 18:03

just out of curiosity ... how many lines of (uncommented) code are we talking here ?

Slopi

6th May 2007, 18:20

Thanks Becky, for your time and effort you put into the STCC, though I never raced with you, you'll be missed.

Thanks, Sam, and others, for helping to continue the 'system'. Many of us appreciate it. :thumb:

Keram

6th May 2007, 20:14

I have a little question. I've been driving today on UKCT FOX Club. There were some information about gaining points. I was suprised when I checked my licence status. There is no more points than before today :really: Why is it so? Because of server? or there is still problem with counting points?

do0f

6th May 2007, 21:11

Hiya.. the Odd Compo, FOX Club, GTR Club and LRF Club servers are all running a weekly competition.. nothing to do with the UKCTRA licence system. :)

Keram

7th May 2007, 05:19

And there is everything clear now. Thank you for helping me.

mkserve

7th May 2007, 13:36

just out of curiosity ... how many lines of (uncommented) code are we talking here ?

errr... let me find out how many so far :: Gets a line count running ::

Ok So Far we have 1737 Lines of code ... and hardly any of its working :(

lol

Maybe i should scrap it and try and figure out how to do it in delphi? (i am a n00b at delphi too... but i started learning it the other week).. If only i could figure out TCPStreams in delphi , i'd be sorted

FOGlegsy

7th May 2007, 14:36

good luck MK, u seem to have a rather large task infront of you, stick with it and may all our dreams come true :)

Becky Rose

7th May 2007, 15:53

SRA1 is 4,677 lines, so there is a fair way to go.

mkserve

7th May 2007, 15:55

:( :::: crys ::::

N I K I

7th May 2007, 16:48

Ive noticed GTR, odd combo club, LFR, FOX servers so is there license? Is that license separete from this one, Sam pls present new server to community :)

mkserve

7th May 2007, 16:58

ignore me.... lmao..... i deleted what i last put in this post.. i wan't quite on the ball :)

SamH

7th May 2007, 17:00

Hey NIKI! As mentioned by do0f, above, the FOXClub, GTRClub, Odd Compo and LRFClub servers are separate from the STCC licence system.. they just run a weekly competition. You can read more information here..

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=17145

AndroidXP

7th May 2007, 17:14

It would probably make sense to name the UKCTRA servers a bit differently than the normal ones... like actually appending the "RA", or marking them in any other easily distinguishable way ;)

SamH

7th May 2007, 17:20

It would probably make sense to name the UKCTRA servers a bit differently than the normal ones... like actually appending the "RA", or marking them in any other easily distinguishable way ;)
Yeah! We will be shutting down the servers this evening, and restarting them with their new name. We thrashed out the name that the licencing system will carry into the future, last night. The servers will very soon carry the new racing licence authority name..

http://licence.ukct.net/licence_images/ctra.gif

:)

AndroidXP

7th May 2007, 17:26

Good choice! UKCTRA was a bit long anyway :thumbsup:

SamH

7th May 2007, 17:28

ty! ty! ty!

:throwrose

:D

GFresh

7th May 2007, 17:56

Cool logo :thumb:

FOGlegsy

7th May 2007, 18:40

Lookin good:thumb:

bragi

7th May 2007, 19:20

thank you all guys.
your effort is precious and makes lfs even better.
i just had my first race on UK-CTRA silver and gold server some minutes ago.. it was exciting ;)

thanks a lot and keep on your great job please.

oh.. btw: pretty cool logo..:thumb:

respect
bragi

SKaREO

7th May 2007, 21:05

We thrashed out the name that the licencing system will carry into the future, last night. The servers will very soon carry the new racing licence authority name..

http://licence.ukct.net/licence_images/ctra.gif

:)

Hey guys, I really like the logo. STCC or CTRA, they both mean fun to me. I'll have to join as soon as I get some free time. Thanks a lot to Becky for making all this possible in the first place, and thanks to the UKCT team for all your hard work.

Cheers! :)

Zachary Zoomy

8th May 2007, 02:15

cool logo!

and I was on a server 1a XFg and XRG and I was driving really well. the car felt fast and everything. I was wizzing my other XRGs in my XFG! have you guys done something to the cars or somthing? or is it my leather gloves? (or god pushing my car)

this new system rocks!

SpikeyMarcoD

8th May 2007, 05:01

Jakg

8th May 2007, 07:16

Bontemps

8th May 2007, 16:26

whats this? no STCC server anymore? lol.

andy29

8th May 2007, 17:14

whats this? no STCC server anymore? lol.

No more STCC servers, but the UKCT/CTRA has taken them over. lol.

qoncept

8th May 2007, 20:32

Becky, have you ever asked for donations to help offset the cost of the servers and such? I'm sure you wouldnt get all your money back, but I'm also sure there are many people who would be willing to give at least a few bucks (and now to the CTRA), and every little bit helps. :)

SamH

9th May 2007, 00:51

We'd offered to help Becky finance the installation of the server in the past, but Becky refused the offer of help. Some things, you just want to do off your own back, and this is one of those things that Becky wants to do. I know how that feels, and fully support Becky's decision to refuse UKCT's "hand-outs". ;)

When Becky's working situation is better, I thoroughly expect to see the server installed in the datacentre, and busy doing *some*thing. What, I don't know, but you can bet Becky will make it work hard and do some seriously cool things! :)

Slopi

9th May 2007, 03:45

i30i3i3y

9th May 2007, 07:47

Probably very late but I'll make the naming suggestion nonetheless.

ULTRA : UKCT License Tiering Race Authority

(Tiering/tiered, race/racing, authority/administration?)

Kept looking at UKCTRA and thought that's so close to ULTRA :D

SamH

9th May 2007, 11:26

Curious on when the forum userbars will reflect the new logo?

Not that big a deal, but I use my userbar in other places and would like it to reflect the CTRA instead of STCC, since STCC is dead now :thumb:
To make the change fully, I need to talk to Victor about changing the BB code on the forum from UserName to Username. Because the STCC league is continuing at least until the end of the season, it's not entirely dead. Some people will, therefore, want to keep their spectator and league userbars.. a few people (out of over a million video downloaders) don't know anything about the LFS public servers, and I don't want to break the images on the forums where they use them.

To ease the migration, if you want to use a CTRA minibar, just add "ctra/" before your username, eg: ctra/Slopi :)
EDIT: You can now also have CTRA minibars by adding the switch "mini/", for example ctra/mini/Slopi
Probably very late but I'll make the naming suggestion nonetheless.

ULTRA : UKCT License Tiering Race Authority

(Tiering/tiered, race/racing, authority/administration?)

Kept looking at UKCTRA and thought that's so close to ULTRA :D
Argh! I wish you'd suggested that before now! LOL! Nobody else suggested anything like that, and I reckon they would have gone for it.

I can't change it now, sadly.. we've set CTRA in stone. Maybe in the future, if we relaunch CTRA with significantly different features, we'll be able to take advantage of that acronym!! :nod:

mrodgers

9th May 2007, 11:47

@SamH and the other guy who will be looking at the code (can't remember who you are, LOL).

Saw a bug that I'm not sure if it's ever come up. Last night an "internet" friend of mine who didn't know anything about the licensing joined the Silver and Gold server. I believe he joined in the race in the XRT during the grid setup on a race restart (not positive when he joined). He was able to join the race and started. Normal T1 mayheim caused him to pit and rejoin, which then he recieved the "you don't have a license for this car". He was confused as he didn't know about the licensing. He has no points, so I don't think he was ever on the Copper/Bronze servers. We pointed him to license.ukct.net and gave him a brief explaination of the licensing and the other servers. So, he left to hunt the copper/bronze server down.

So, the bug is, if you time it right, you can join the race (silver/gold server) if you don't have any licensing yet. Like I said, I don't know when he joined. I have a replay, but I'm at work right now, er, working, yeah, I'm working..... I'll upload the replay when I get a chance at home this evening (if I remember in my old age....)

Becky Rose

9th May 2007, 11:56

Either a dropped packet (can happen with Insim 3, the new insim is more reliable) or it's a packet crossover because of timing in which case there really isn't much we can do at that instant - but he would be spectated at race end (EDIT: Actually I think he might get spectated at a split sector, not 100% sure). Thanks for the heads up.

EDIT: Also it's possible Sam setup the config file wrong on the new servers.... :D *wrong config file Sam!*

SamH

9th May 2007, 12:03

mkserve

9th May 2007, 14:11

@SamH and the other guy who will be looking at the code (can't remember who you are, LOL).

Not to worry, i get the feeling that once the CTRA is in full swing, me being the one no-one can remember is going to be a blessing :D

hehehe

Dru

9th May 2007, 15:21

Not to worry, i get the feeling that once the CTRA is in full swing, me being the one no-one can remember is going to be a blessing :D

hehehe

The 'silent partner' is always the best one to be imo :thumb:

Kudos to what you guys have done over the past week to get this back up and running and filling the LFS void that otherwise would now be in place.

Jakg

9th May 2007, 15:31

yes, and once our "silent partner" Mike opens his mouth, you'll know he's not the best one :P

mrodgers

9th May 2007, 15:38

Grrr.. hehe! I'll check the config again :p Although since he caused a T1 banger, and didn't make it to the first split, pitted and THEN got refused, I'm guessing it's a dropped packet. If my stunning config skills were at fault, he'd have been able to rejoin :D

RIGHT config! (for once).. but I'll double-check :)
Involved, or swept up shall we say, in a T1 banger, not caused :D

Yeah, he shift-S'ed out before the split, so didn't get a chance to get kicked by the system. Then he couldn't rejoin.

mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, burned to memory. :D

mkserve

9th May 2007, 15:44

mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, burned to memory. :D

maybe it's time to change my name? anyone got £24 for a new S2 licence?

lmao!

The Moose

9th May 2007, 15:46

mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, mkserve, mkserve,

Who? Never heard of him...:razz:

SamH

9th May 2007, 15:59

http://getpissed.ukct.net/albums/pics/thumb_DSCF0787.JPG
^^ Mikey :D

How's that for anonymity? ;)

Becky Rose

9th May 2007, 16:25

/shrug - he looks like anyone else with an ASBO.

mkserve

9th May 2007, 16:33

I hate you guys

:: goes off to cry ::

JohnUK89

9th May 2007, 16:34

I hate you guys

:: goes off to cry ::

OI! *grabs whip* BACK TO WORK! And leave the Nova out back ;)

mkserve

9th May 2007, 16:37

Nova?? I had a BMW FGS!!!!!

hmm.. ok.. maybe that aint helping my case :(

AndroidXP

9th May 2007, 16:48

So, what are you actually doing here wasting your time posting nonsensical stuff? Hush hush, back to coding with you! :bullwhip:

Zachary Zoomy

9th May 2007, 23:13

depends on the track - on tighter tracks (such as SO3) the XRG looses out and on long tracks is engine makes it own

this was on SO2R!

SamH

9th May 2007, 23:53

Zach, we've not done anything to change the performance of the cars. It sounds to me like you're getting pretty good at this LFS thang ;)

SamH

9th May 2007, 23:54

So, what are you actually doing here wasting your time posting nonsensical stuff? Hush hush, back to coding with you! :bullwhip:
If you think this is nonsensical, you should see the comments he makes in his code! :D

thisnameistaken

10th May 2007, 00:18

If you think this is nonsensical, you should see the comments he makes in his code! :D

That should be a whole new thread, we've got some great ones in our software. We've even got files that have their own theme tunes. The best one was always accompanied by John Williams' "Imperial March", but we replaced that code a while back for reasons you can probably imagine!

SKaREO

10th May 2007, 00:29

To ease the migration, if you want to use a CTRA minibar, just add "ctra/" before your username, eg: ctra/Slopi :)
EDIT: You can now also have CTRA minibars by adding the switch "mini/", for example ctra/mini/Slopi

Awesome! Looks good. I just obtained my Silver license today; I have to make a skin for the XRT now. :nod:

Keep up the good work UKCT!

chanoman315

10th May 2007, 00:32

How Do I Get The Bar I Know That [stcc] License [/stcc Its For Stcc But For Ctra?

andy29

10th May 2007, 00:38

What Sam said:
ctra/chanoman315 for the normal bar
ctra/mini/chanoman315 for the mini bar :thumb:

SamH

10th May 2007, 00:44

That should be a whole new thread, we've got some great ones in our software. We've even got files that have their own theme tunes. The best one was always accompanied by John Williams' "Imperial March", but we replaced that code a while back for reasons you can probably imagine!
ROFL! I can definitely see that! hehe!

Mike and Ali (who's now left to go and be an officer in the merchant navy.. nuff said!) have a history of bickering in their PHP code. It's REALLY funny to read! Ali's approach is to have meaningfully named variables, camelCased, indented functions, fully commented, while Mike's.. well.. it just isn't. The code is peppered by comments by Mike about how anal Ali is, and comments by Ali about how Mike's obliterated yet another block of his code and how he feels like he needs a shower every time he's looked at it, while Mike suggests that Ali would be okay if he could just get laid.. it's pure comedy! :D I'd post examples, but it's pretty lude, and most of it would just get ****ed by the forum. ;)

thisnameistaken

10th May 2007, 01:47

Mike and Ali (who's now left to go and be an officer in the merchant navy.. nuff said!) have a history of bickering in their PHP code. It's REALLY funny to read! Ali's approach is to have meaningfully named variables, camelCased, indented functions, fully commented, while Mike's.. well.. it just isn't. The code is peppered by comments by Mike about how anal Ali is, and comments by Ali about how Mike's obliterated yet another block of his code and how he feels like he needs a shower every time he's looked at it, while Mike suggests that Ali would be okay if he could just get laid.. it's pure comedy! :D I'd post examples, but it's pretty lude, and most of it would just get ****ed by the forum. ;)

Oh don't get me started. My coding partner (and all-round best buddy, to be honest) is Matt, and after six years it's like being married sometimes. These days I actually get mad at him for writing untidily-styled ELSE clauses. I know it's petty, but my god it irritates me!

And he has the cheek to call me up - on weekends! - to complain that I've named some member somewhere with an ambiguous name, and usually suggest that we replace it with a pretty much equally ambiguous name. This is the guy who for two years had some of the most important records in our DB stored in a table called "things"! He also had a table - in a relational database remember - called "relationships"

!!!!!!

mkserve

10th May 2007, 02:01

This is the guy who for two years had some of the most important records in our DB stored in a table called "things"! He also had a table - in a relational database remember - called "relationships"!!!!!!

Sounds reasonable to me :D
:: hides ::

Slopi

10th May 2007, 02:03

Very cool, I like the look of the new bars. *EDIT* Thanks for the change from "Driver to Racer", just noticed lol

Either way, thanks! Very quick change, looks nice!

chanoman315

10th May 2007, 02:07

What Sam said:
ctra/chanoman315 for the normal bar
ctra/mini/chanoman315 for the mini bar :thumb:
thx!!

SamH

10th May 2007, 02:21

Very cool, I like the look of the new bars. Only thing is, wish it said Racer instead of Driver. Mrs. Daisy aint in the back of my car lol :D

Either way, thanks! Very quick change, looks nice!
Agreed! And as if by magic... ;)

Slopi

10th May 2007, 02:26

I hope I never meet you on the track Sam, you're already beating me on the forums. You're too quick! lol :thumb:

mkserve

10th May 2007, 02:28

I hope I never meet you on the track Sam, you're already beating me on the forums. You're too quick! lol :thumb:

Nah He's a UKCT Driver.. the only things he can do quick is code and.. well we wont go there :x

Shame he wont complete our website as fast eh? :D

You cant seeeee meeeee :)

SamH

10th May 2007, 02:31

You cant seeeee meeeee :)
/ban mkserve 999

Ooooh! You're RIIIGHT! :D

Shotglass

10th May 2007, 02:32

mkserve

10th May 2007, 02:33

/ban mkserve 999

Ooooh! You're RIIIGHT! :D

I'll consider myself 0wned :(

Oh Hold on..

/me removes his name from the ban file :P

then rejoice youre not working with me otherwise you would have to deal with the databases blubb and blubb2

ROFL!.. That beats mine! which icalled Blah, and Stuff :)

SamH

10th May 2007, 02:33

I hope I never meet you on the track Sam, you're already beating me on the forums. You're too quick! lol :thumb:
hehe.. yeah.. though Mike's right, the only place I'm speedy is in the graphics department! Although, in truth, it's just so I can put off learning to code! ;)

then rejoice youre not working with me otherwise you would have to deal with the databases blubb and blubb2
OMG! Seriously!? hehehe!!

Shotglass

10th May 2007, 02:37

OMG! Seriously!? hehehe!!

i have a few (usually very short test) programms written in that style (a few of them are somewhat actually useful though)
i usually curse myself when i have to incorporate my test algorithms into a bigger project partly for using variable names that dont tell me anything but mostly for using variable names that are already taken

you should see my hard drive ... half of my folders are named blubb blah and asdas

SamH

10th May 2007, 02:40

you should see my hard drive ... half of my folders are named blubb blah and asdas
hehe! I just can't do that.. I don't have the memory for it. If I don't comment my code, within an hour it makes absolutely no sense to me any more. I actually find myself writing to myself in the comments, as if I'm a 5 year-old. It's pretty bloody sad, actually! :shy: :tilt:

As for databases and fieldnames.. same goes. It HAS to make sense, in and of itself. One of the reasons I code really quickly is because I have to get things finished before my rather short attention span expires. If something rolls over to the next day, I may as well wipe it and start over. I am THAT bad! :tilt:

mkserve

10th May 2007, 02:40

ROFL... well.. as sam said about me, i used to argue with other coders within my code... i did have a few variables called blah, one or 2 called foo, and bar... i also had to declare a few at the begining once which was something like
$ali = $_POST['user'];
$is = $_POST['email'];
$a = $_POST['notes'];

I wont continue cause i dont want to get banned :D.... but you get the drift :)

and sam really is that bad... I have to make sensible databases now, otherwise when he goes to pull the info again, the poor sod gets lost :( lol

thisnameistaken

10th May 2007, 02:45

hehe! I just can't do that.. I don't have the memory for it. If I don't comment my code, within an hour it makes absolutely no sense to me any more.

:shy:

I am really bad in this regard now. I don't know whether it's because of misbehaviour in my youth or if it's just what it's like being in your 30s, but my memory is riddled with holes. I spend most of my time time at work on the phone just having people prompt me to remember stuff I apparently talked to them about the week before. We have conversations that go "Oh wow, that's cool, when did you come up with that?", "You wrote it", "Did I?", "Yes, last Wednesday", "Really? It doesn't look like my code...".

SamH

10th May 2007, 02:53

I didn't misbehave in my youth, and it hit me in my 30s. If I'd known that then, I WOULD have misbehaved in my youth! Missed opportunity there!

The only thing that's changed, since hitting my 40s, is that my FIRST reaction to a challenge is to delegate it, rather than my SECOND (when I find I can't do it).. but in every other respect, it's just a continuation of the same slippery slope! :(

mkserve

10th May 2007, 02:58

The only thing that's changed, since hitting my 40s, is that my FIRST reaction to a challenge is to delegate it, rather than my SECOND (when I find I can't do it).. but in every other respect, it's just a continuation of the same slippery slope! :(

There's me buggered then! :(
I'm 24 and i'm already like that ::sobs::

SamH

10th May 2007, 03:02

There's me buggered then! :(
I'm 24 and i'm already like that ::sobs::
Thousands of lines of your code were just explained away in one post! :D

mkserve

10th May 2007, 03:05

Thousands of lines of your code were just explained away in one post! :D

!&%* !

Shotglass

10th May 2007, 03:29

hehe! I