New Ovals + Nascar style cars+fix for BF1 sound [Archive]

popps258

24th April 2007, 08:27

Hi Everyone,
PLZ just post your opinions , i dont want replies from the know it alls, on how to. !!!!
I would like to see maybe one or two new oval tracks plus the addition of Nascar style cars and also a fix for the new but aweful BF1 sound.

I am sure that after looking at the statistics that the oval track is the most used track besides Blackwood.
Blackwood is only really up there due to the fact it is also a demo track.

Also i would like to see a fix for the aweful new BF1 sound which sounds like a bee in a tin can, All the other cars now sound real cool but just what happened to the BF1
How i would love to see other ovals wouldnt you??:scratchch :nod:
Please post your opinions on these asdditions and fix for the BF1 sound:thumb:
Mahnamahna doo do do do doo
[FM]Popps

garph

24th April 2007, 08:41

popps258

24th April 2007, 08:52

If you really can't stand the way the BF1 sounds you can change it, go on track in single player or even in multiplayer with the BF1 and press, Shift A. A menu will come up that will allow you to edit the sound of the car.

p.s. In the top right it says, Seach This Forum. If you type in Nascar Oval you will get 34 results.

I know there is an auditor that allows you to adjust engine sounds, but it still doesnt do the job, does it? !!!!!!!!!!!
Yes I do know there are other posts relating to ovaltracks..

garph

24th April 2007, 09:06

BF1 sounds fine to me.

If the rest of the cars sound ok except for the BF1 then I'd just edit that one, you should be able to get close to something you like. There are probably different BF1 engine sounds that people have made and uploaded some where on the forum that you could try.

EDIT: They are in the Miscellaneous Addons bit http://www.lfsforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=39

scania

24th April 2007, 09:46

+1 for Oval & Stock Car

popps258

24th April 2007, 10:04

:bewarespa :dnfnoob: :something BF1 sounds fine to me.

If the rest of the cars sound ok except for the BF1 then I'd just edit that one, you should be able to get close to something you like. There are probably different BF1 engine sounds that people have made and uploaded some where on the forum that you could try.

EDIT: They are in the Miscellaneous Addons bit http://www.lfsforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=39
Dugh i am not stupid and know how to use the engine editor, I also know how to "search".
Plz stop answering my post with stupid suggestions, I aint got senile dementia "yet" !!!!
Instead post an opinion either yes or no that you would like new oval tracks and a correct BF1 engine sound
Instead of repyling to this post again, Go away and just carry on mowing your grass. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
:inq: :dnfnoob: :something

Gabkicks

24th April 2007, 10:27

you may not be stupid, but you aren't very good at using the search engine.:tilt:

yes i want more ovals in lfs and stockcars. but this has already been suggested about 800 times.

popps258

24th April 2007, 10:43

you may not be stupid, but you aren't very good at using the search engine.:tilt:

yes i want more ovals in lfs and stockcars. but this has already been suggested about 800 times.
Hi :monkey: nuts,
Well maybe this is the 801st time !!!!!!!!!!!!
I asked for opinions not critisisms :noob:
:ices_rofl, Some mothers do have them !!!!!!!!!!!
and if my spellings wrong then thats tuff too,, Now:ufo:har har har har always look on the bright side ??????????????????????????????????

mikey_G

24th April 2007, 10:45

isn't criticism also an opinion? :scratchch

XCNuse

24th April 2007, 10:46

seriously... on this same first page of improvement suggestions, there is already a suggestion for stock cars, smaller ovals

and davews has his whole thread on how to improve sounds
.. the devs can't just "fix" the sounds the BF1 makes overnight, its a tad more complicated than that

thus i have no "opinion"

@mikey yep.. thats exactly what it is

AndRand

24th April 2007, 10:49

and DaveWS just invented new way of influencing (or putting pressure :tilt: ) on devs - see thread "Stock car sounds" :D

Ive not been looking in addons section lately, but in fact Pop, find sounds you like more there in sticker thread (my suggestion :woohoo:)

:D

Jimmy_Lemon

24th April 2007, 13:39

+1,000,000,000 any stock car or oval is welcome. :):)

read this one i made aswell, a V8 stock car thread in improvement suggestions
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=23277

matze54564

24th April 2007, 15:20

Also i would like to see a fix for the aweful new BF1 sound which sounds like a bee in a tin can, All the other cars now sound real cool but just what happened to the BF1
This is easy to fix^^
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=22354

+1 for other Ovals

zeugnimod

24th April 2007, 18:04

I am sure that after looking at the statistics that the oval track is the most used track besides Blackwood.
Blackwood is only really up there due to the fact it is also a demo track.

Well, statistically, the oval is the 2nd most used track but that doesnt mean that its the most popular or the most driven on. You have to keep in mind that the oval is driven almost only with BF1 (and earlier FO8) which are the fastest cars in LFS. Most other tracks are driven with all cars so this statistic doesnt really say much.

You are doing a great job to improve the image of oval racers with your last 2 posts btw. :thumb:

Wenom

24th April 2007, 18:27

+1 for stock car
-1 for ovals

510N3D

25th April 2007, 16:56

+1 for oval's no matter what kind of but i'd prefer something like daytona or talladega
+1 for stockcars

In some way i have to agree on both sides, there has been alot of suggestions made in the past about this "combo", track or vehicle type and i bet some people gets annoyed by it. But why the spam? Because there's obviously a urgent need for such things. Im not saying that i support the spam in any way but lets just put it this way, LFS is most likely the first game which successfully put all those "racing styles" together and made it actually amazingly enjoyable, rally, drag & drift included, some people even create "free rooms" like C&R, CLC et cetera (forgive me if i forgot something) + the potential is still & by far unexhausted.
Well some other games did something simular already in some way or other but from my point of view, LFS is by far the best example that it actually works and a simulator can have all kinds of styles combined together without loosing its identity or authenticity.

Now the only problem is the community or some members of it. From what i have noticed in the past, alot of people here, besides those who are very polite, friendly & open for everything new or different, have got a lack of tolerance, tend to generalize things or simple spread wrong informations based on hearsay. Besides, since this is a "international forum", many language barriers can appear which is also a reason people should start "reading between the lines" and not judge every comment too serious, as long as its not insulting in any way. Also, after reading some very strange comments here and there, i do not understand why some people think they can have a influence on something very important, the decision of the developers on what kind of content will be added/ removed/ altered. Maybe there's a very small chance to do so but some people really try to decided in advance as like they are the developers themselves. This is at least for me, far more annoying then the "suggestion spam" and in the end, everybody except ScaViEr will have to wait and see what the next step will be. Bearing in mind that every patch was always a great step forward, i dont expect anything else & different for the future :D

Almost forgot to say something on-topic, im sure that this unique sound system will also be improved and i think it is by far not what it actually should be. Its already very complex and sounds more and more natural and since LFS is still alpha as far as i know, this is already a great preview for what we can probably expect in near future. And just in case, if this is already what it actually should be i think i just have to edit the car sounds i dislike by now a bit more. But to add a negative note as well, i agree with my mate Mr.Popps that the BF1 for now does not sound very realistic or like the "bee in a tin can". I at least couldn't find any preset or adjust it the way that it does.

Cheers

Motordirex

25th April 2007, 17:34

Crazy Harry

25th April 2007, 17:53

:nana: oval haters ftw!!!

MAGGOT

25th April 2007, 18:07

Hi :monkey: nuts,
Well maybe this is the 801st time !!!!!!!!!!!!
I asked for opinions not critisisms :noob:
:ices_rofl, Some mothers do have them !!!!!!!!!!!
and if my spellings wrong then thats tuff too,, Now:ufo:har har har har always look on the bright side ??????????????????????????????????

If you know that these have all been suggested (and you know how to fix one thing yourself) then why did you start this new thread?

Being immature is not going to help your cause, either (nor will smilies or overused puncutation marks).

510N3D

25th April 2007, 18:24

joen

25th April 2007, 18:40

I asked for opinions not critisisms :noob:

Instead post an opinion either yes or no that you would like new oval tracks and a correct BF1 engine sound
Ok. No.

KeiichiRX7

25th April 2007, 18:50

IceMan31x

25th April 2007, 19:28

Crazy Harry

25th April 2007, 19:35

Ice you suck. Everyone can do that. Needs no skill and so on... :D

@KeiichiRX7: Don´t step into the old ihateovalandyoulikeitsoyoumustbestupid-trap =)

510N3D

25th April 2007, 19:40

@ Ice: looks dirty :D We need this for LFS fo shizzle!

@Harry: everybody get's busted once :P

IceMan31x

25th April 2007, 19:53

LOL w00t w00t :thumb: (shakes fist) will get you on the track:razz: :thumbsup:

Ice you suck. Everyone can do that. Needs no skill and so on... :D

@KeiichiRX7: Don´t step into the old ihateovalandyoulikeitsoyoumustbestupid-trap =)

Crazy Harry

25th April 2007, 19:56

Come to the starters server (W17). I´ll kick your butt. In UF1. Reverse. Car AND track! :smileypul

IceMan31x

25th April 2007, 19:58

No way your crazy.. ill have my behind handed to me :D
Come to the starters server (W17). I´ll kick your butt. In UF1. Reverse. Car AND track! :smileypul

banshee56

25th April 2007, 20:04

Look guys who here has oval experiance? Nobody? Call it what you will thats the joy of opinion, But before you say anything, watch this video http://youtube.com/watch?v=hFXzDVzMPvQ <----thats my sport "COME JOIN" ill be waiting :D

:thumb:

Motordirex, my family combined (my father, 2 uncles, and myself), has 30+ years of experience of racing on ovals, in karts & stockcars. I am a college educated professional, not a mindless idiot. I don't appreciate your ignorant comments about people who race ovals.

When you have any real world racing experience, please come back on here and comment on how easy (any) racing is.

Falcon140

25th April 2007, 20:10

I hate ignorant people who think they know what they're talking about. My dad raced dirt track for 30 years, my two brothers have been racing for 8, and I raced once or twice. Not a lot, but I am 14.:shrug:

Motordirex

25th April 2007, 20:16

Ooh, Ovals take no talent? Ask your own team mate Iceman31X about that. Like any other type of course, Ovals are easy to make it around. That's a fact. Being FAST around them is totally different, like any other course.

"Insert foot here". hahaha

My opinion was talking about NASCAR...as far as what Mike does, Ive seen in real life. On short tracks a sprint car is more then a handful and are quite impressive...in real life.

As for ovals in LFS, wake me when its over. :D

IceMan31x

25th April 2007, 20:18

I wouldnt go as far as saying ignorant people, the truth is they just dont know any better. Its a shame tho because they will let those feelings about the sport ruin there chances of ever getting to try, its truly a shame. Its made me the driver i am today, love it and would change a thing, im sure enough of the oval haters have chased my bumper for enough races :thumb: (come kick my oval butt) :smileypul EXCEPT CRAZY HARRY!! i dont want trouble :razz:
I hate ignorant people who think they know what they're talking about. My dad raced dirt track for 30 years, my two brothers have been racing for 8, and I raced once or twice. Not a lot, but I am 14.:shrug:

Crazy Harry

25th April 2007, 20:25

:thumb:

Motordirex

25th April 2007, 20:29

:thumb:

Motordirex, my family combined (my father, 2 uncles, and myself), has 30+ years of experience of racing on ovals, in karts & stockcars. I am a college educated professional, not a mindless idiot. I don't appreciate your ignorant comments about people who race ovals.

When you have any real world racing experience, please come back on here and comment on how easy (any) racing is.

Lee, I know that in the US ovals are huge, even in Canada there are quite a few of them...paved and everything! There are a few on the island I live on as well.

As for my real world racing experience:

age 10 to 18; MotoX, Honda 50, CR 80
took a break until I was 23 then: 125 cc karting. Did the karting thing for 3 years until our local course was shut down, took the kart to the ovals, thought about a Dwarf car but didnt like ovals, sold the kart
age 26 bought a 2000 Suzuki GSX-R 600. Raced WMRC and SRRC here in BC. 2005 took 3rd overall in the club championship, and top 5 with the WMRC
took a couple years off the bike racing to focus on other things. Race in AutoX events and now organize two motorcycle clubs and the PlusOne Performance autox club. I am promoting kart racing again and getting a series back here on Vancouver island where I liveSo I feel my real world racing experience isnt that bad when i look at it now and yes, I have tried ovals. Sorry if I miffed everybody with my comment, that wasnt what I had meant to do.

IceMan31x

25th April 2007, 20:49

:thumbsup: OPEN WHEEL FOR LIFE!!:thumbsup:

510N3D

25th April 2007, 20:56

:headbang:RACING FOR LIFE :nana:

:D

Motordirex

25th April 2007, 21:29

:headbang:RACING FOR LIFE :nana:

:D

Hear, Hear! :thumb:

shadow2kx

25th April 2007, 21:40

Don't dream guys, you won't have it :)

IceMan31x

25th April 2007, 22:55

LOL speak for yourself m8 :smileypul
Don't dream guys, you won't have it :)

Motordirex

25th April 2007, 23:40

Don't dream guys, you won't have it :)

Dreams is all we gots...from NASCAR to MotoGP in LFS. And your prolly right but you know what, we'll still keep playing.

neglouseight

26th April 2007, 02:15

For me, I don't like ovals, I stated that several times. I find them boring to watch even more boring to actually race. Does that mean I haven't done them? I've done them a lot in LFS, because I race F1 cars, and that is usually the only type up and running. A F1 car doing a constant left turn is annoying to me. I did several races on Annabelle server last night where were more fun the the FM oval. Since Annabelle has 20 laps and pit stop. Unlike the 8 lap sprints of FM. I was just so bored after a while, a few races I was starting to fall asleep. For me the fun of racing is not the constant gas pedal down, drafting, it gets old to me. Just slip streaming in a circle is boring. :/ Now sling shotting yourself around to out brake someone in a corner that is fun to me. These are just my opinions nothing else. Never letting go of the gas once isn't fun for me, continously shifting for X amount of lap while trying to do the best time is to me.

That being said, if LFS were to add some Indy or CART cars I would try it, to see what it is like. Would be for fun, but wouldn't be my main interest. As for NASCAR no, I don't like it, for 30 years I don't like it. (I'm 31, so the first year I might have thought about it. lol) It's always been country music on wheels to me, another thing I can't stand. lol Would I try it in LFS? Sure why not, but that type of racing holds no interest for me, so I wouldn't be doing it only out of bordum.

But I also believe LFS should add as many types of racing styles as possible. That includes NASCAR, Indy, CART, etc. Not my type of racing but it is to someone else.

red_wing_2121

26th April 2007, 03:29

Heres an opinion.

Stock cars...whatever. The V8 Supercars can be considered stock cars and Id drive those.

-1 billion for ovals...for talentless hacks with A.D.D. If I want to watch a mindless idiot goes in circles, I`ll watch my stupid dog chase his tail.

Oval may seem simple to the onlooker or the person cruising around it on their own, but it is much harder than you may think.

When you drive on an oval on your own, there are many different lines you can take that may never end up being fast. There is always one line that is fast, and it is usually pretty hard to find unless you have a lot of experience on the oval. Plus, the line you take into corners on an oval is much more aggressive than you would see on a road course since a road course tends to force racers wide at the entrance and exit while on an oval it is a much tighter line.

And when you add in other racers who are all trying to do the same thing you are lap after lap and fighting for the position you are in lap after lap, it can become EXTREMELY challenging. It is much tighter than you would see on a road course, not to say this makes road course is easy. Oval is a specialized type of racing that not anyone can jump in and be good at right away.

The source of this information is not completely myself. It is a condensed compilation of notes I took from a television show comparing oval racing and road course racing on the SPEED Channel (United States station dedicated to motorsports).

If you would like to test this, I and I am sure any other oval racer would be happy to oblige you in a race or two on the oval. Because it is easy to talk, let's see if you can do.

Sidenote: Before anyone jumps to any conclusions, just remember that there is hardly ANY case where an oval racer comes onto the forum and claims that they believe racing a road course is easy. Hmmmmmm.......maybe some of you should take heed and practice this courtesy yourselves. Many of the oval racers enjoy racing on road courses as well, and are quite good.

popps258

26th April 2007, 09:56

Oval may seem simple to the onlooker or the person cruising around it on their own, but it is much harder than you may think.

When you drive on an oval on your own, there are many different lines you can take that may never end up being fast. There is always one line that is fast, and it is usually pretty hard to find unless you have a lot of experience on the oval. Plus, the line you take into corners on an oval is much more aggressive than you would see on a road course since a road course tends to force racers wide at the entrance and exit while on an oval it is a much tighter line.

And when you add in other racers who are all trying to do the same thing you are lap after lap and fighting for the position you are in lap after lap, it can become EXTREMELY challenging. It is much tighter than you would see on a road course, not to say this makes road course is easy. Oval is a specialized type of racing that not anyone can jump in and be good at right away.

The source of this information is not completely myself. It is a condensed compilation of notes I took from a television show comparing oval racing and road course racing on the SPEED Channel (United States station dedicated to motorsports).

If you would like to test this, I and I am sure any other oval racer would be happy to oblige you in a race or two on the oval. Because it is easy to talk, let's see if you can do.

Sidenote: Before anyone jumps to any conclusions, just remember that there is hardly ANY case where an oval racer comes onto the forum and claims that they believe racing a road course is easy. Hmmmmmm.......maybe some of you should take heed and practice this courtesy yourselves. Many of the oval racers enjoy racing on road courses as well, and are quite good.
Very well said Red Wing, Oval driving i now wonder how many will have the balls to come tothe oval and try driving there under good race cnditons, I'll bet lots will leave with their TAIL BEtween thier legs hehe.
See you on track matey.

Fischfix

26th April 2007, 10:27

and for those who are even more interested in oval racing just go to

=> lfscar.com

:) (we also have one race on aston club though)

Motordirex

26th April 2007, 17:00

No one said that ovals were easy. The objections to ovals was the fun factor involved with those of us that dont find them interesting to watch or race...and yes, Ive tried ovals.

The thing with Live For Speed is that its doesnt say Life For Ovals or Live For Road Racing...theres diversity in its title and I think that diversity should be explored, with some exceptions.

From my real world experience in racing, from hardest to easiest heres what Ive found:

road racing - kart and sedan
oval racing - kart and dwarf
motorcycle racing - dirt and road racingNow, you may be wondering how racing two wheels is easier then 4, and here's why. My 4 wheel experiences I found hard because of the equipment Ive used. I may be a better driver, but if someone with not as much talent as me is in a better setup car, Im fooked. Karting wasnt as bad as we were in identical machines, but sedan racing sucked if your car sucked.

Motorcycles is all about ability...20% bike, 80% rider. Ive beat guys on tricked out 600's when my bike was bone stock, and guys on 750's and 1000cc bikes. So when you are able to get those kind of results because the guys you race arent as good as you, you'll find it easier and a lot more fun.

And just for the record, if I had not other choice but to race an oval in a beater or stock car class over sitting on my ass doing nothing, call me Lefty Lefterson. :thumb:

Crazy Harry

27th April 2007, 08:38

The thing with Live For Speed is that its doesnt say Life For Ovals or Live For Road Racing...

Tell me: What do you know about lfs?

KeiichiRX7

27th April 2007, 10:07

Apparently I know more about LFS than Motordirex

frokki

27th April 2007, 11:49

Apparently I know more about LFS than MotordirexWow. Can I touch you? Or could you send me your autograph? :)

KeiichiRX7

27th April 2007, 18:10

Wow. Can I touch you? Or could you send me your autograph? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBLB5nisvjU

Motordirex

27th April 2007, 18:21

Tell me: What do you know about lfs?

What are you trying to demonstrate...that Im a sexy beast, thanks! :thumb:

If your talking about logged laps and miles as an indication of how much I know about LFS, what a juvenile comparison. I only play LFS on the weekends due to the fact that I work out of town. Sorry if I dont go to bed with it at night. :chair:

As for KeiichiRX7`s comment, based on your stats compared to mine and comparing the amount of races you have over me, we are pretty close as far as top 3 finishes: your 49% to my 43%. This compared to your total 1046 finished races, to my 137...and that youve done 13017 more laps then I have. So I guess your right, you do know more then me...way to go champ! :thumb:

tristancliffe

27th April 2007, 18:29

Crazy Harry

27th April 2007, 19:22

...blahblah... Just ignore them. If we ignore people like that enough, they'll go away...

That´s what i (and a whole bunch of cool guys) hope for a long time you´ll do sometimes. :tilt:

matze54564

27th April 2007, 20:45

It is really not helpful to say "i don´t like ovals" and the insulting of the oval driving community should just be removed. Oval-racing is a important racing style for LFS, and thats true, and i see absolutely no sense to boycott any racing style in LFS. I believe thats just spamming and should be removed. If somebody suggest "to change the whole setup while pitstop", then can you say something against, but without insulting. Oval-racing is very difficult, you really don´t know what you write in here. And i believe the insulter in here are the biggest damage-causer in oval-servers.

KeiichiRX7

27th April 2007, 21:16

Running with a joke isn't neccisarily a statement of superiority you know.

Anyway, I don't get to really race as often as I would like anymore.

510N3D

27th April 2007, 21:26

Unfortunately some people do think that online mileage shows how much they know about LFS. The high mileage just means they play so much that it's unlikely they really know all that much about LFS. Just ignore them. If we ignore people like that enough, they'll go away...

I think you missed the point completely in harry's comment which was obviously a question. I believe that the point was actually that if you get experiences especially online you'll get the corresponding knowledge in a matter of fact. But still this is just an indicator and nothing to absolutely rely on. Unfortunately some people think that they can step into a conversation without the required knowledge. Now take a guess at which level of quality the conversation drops now? Anyway, please also have a look at another comment in this thread (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=404202#post404202) and with these few words ill step out of this conversation.

Cheers

Motordirex

27th April 2007, 22:13

I think you missed the point completely in harry's comment which was obviously a question. I believe that the point was actually that if you get experiences especially online you'll get the corresponding knowledge in a matter of fact. But still this is just an indicator and nothing to absolutely rely on. Unfortunately some people think that they can step into a conversation without the required knowledge. Now take a guess at which level of quality the conversation drops now? Anyway, please also have a look at another comment in this thread (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=404202#post404202) and with these few words ill step out of this conversation.

Cheers

If you wanted to step out of this conversation you would have.

I'll reword my comments so that you understand. You like hotdogs, I hate hotdogs...does that mean I dont know anything about them? Hotdogs, like oval racing, Ive tried and didnt enjoy either.

Tristans comments were justified regarding the comments about my racing stats. My opinion on ovals has nothing to do with my knowledge of LFS. If Im missing something besides the racing, then tell me and I'll tell you to get out of the house more.

510N3D

27th April 2007, 23:34

If you wanted to step out of this conversation you would have.

I'll reword my comments so that you understand. You like hotdogs, I hate hotdogs...does that mean I dont know anything about them? Hotdogs, like oval racing, Ive tried and didnt enjoy either.

Tristans comments were justified regarding the comments about my racing stats. My opinion on ovals has nothing to do with my knowledge of LFS. If Im missing something besides the racing, then tell me and I'll tell you to get out of the house more.

Well, my bad, i should have gone more into detail. I was actually talking about every single oval discussion in this forum and some of the people that took part on and this most probably includes you as well since i have no (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=404256#post404256) proof (http://www.spdoracing.org/lfsw/quick_script.php?racer=Motordirex) that you have got enough knowledge to create a according statement about the oval in LFS which was the actual topic, nothing else. Dont get me wrong, i agree with some of the points you've made. But in general there are lots of similarities but also lots of differences. Depending on each combo - means tracks (ovals for instance) & vehicles just to specify it. Comparisons between each of them can be either tricky, usefull (-less) and comparisons with real life experiences and simulations as well.
Besides, your hotdog example is nonsense since this excludes the complexity of the actually topic completely. Trying and doing or in other words, getting into something with passion is something different and this is where the amount of knowledge is falling apart and actually makes the difference. With all due respect, i dont care about your opinion regarding the oval in LFS anymore. Its a matter of taste so enjoy yourself and let others too.

Now if i missed something, please help me out.

Motordirex

28th April 2007, 01:57

Well, my bad, i should have gone more into detail. I was actually talking about every single oval discussion in this forum and some of the people that took part on and this most probably includes you as well since i have no (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=404256#post404256) proof (http://www.spdoracing.org/lfsw/quick_script.php?racer=Motordirex) that you have got enough knowledge to create a according statement about the oval in LFS which was the actual topic, nothing else. Dont get me wrong, i agree with some of the points you've made. But in general there are lots of similarities but also lots of differences. Depending on each combo - means tracks (ovals for instance) & vehicles just to specify it. Comparisons between each of them can be either tricky, usefull (-less) and comparisons with real life experiences and simulations as well.
Besides, your hotdog example is nonsense since this excludes the complexity of the actually topic completely. Trying and doing or in other words, getting into something with passion is something different and this is where the amount of knowledge is falling apart and actually makes the difference. With all due respect, i dont care about your opinion regarding the oval in LFS anymore. Its a matter of taste so enjoy yourself and let others too.

Now if i missed something, please help me out.

Cant believe I read that...theres 10 seconds I'll never get back.

I dont have to prove my knowledge about racing to anyone on here, be it in simulation or real life. Nor have I asked for someone to prove theres to me. And that hotdog has the same complexity as you driving on any oval.

Crazy Harry

28th April 2007, 11:44

With that less online practice you CANT have a lot of lfs knowledge. Fact.

You like hotdogs, I hate hotdogs...does that mean I dont know anything about them?

:schwitz:

That is not the point. Examples:

I don´t like Formula 1. Would I ever go to a race with a banner named like "F1 fans/racers sucks!" No.

I don´t like sushi. Would I ever go to a chinese restaurant and insult the guests there that they eat that "raw fish shit"? No.

What I want to say: Why do you get into a conversation about things you don´t like. Waste of time, isn´t it? Think about it.

zeugnimod

28th April 2007, 12:40

Just say that he doesnt have enough "life skill" to understand it. :x :D

KeiichiRX7

28th April 2007, 16:50

If it's as simple as eating a hot dog, go win a few races against the FM crew. Till then, shut your gob, you're making yourself look bad, and more than likely pissing off Iceman.

On second thought, keep shoving your boot in your mouth, and when youre done with yours I'll loan you mine. It would be great to have Mike drivng for me again.

Motordirex

28th April 2007, 17:47

Mike can make his own decisions on if he wants to drive for someone that isnt as interested in ovals as he is...there will be someone else out there that is interested in taking my money to race.

Im also not sure of the age of some of the people who have replied to this thread and my anti-oval comments. LFS is a awesome game, but to say I dont play it enough therefore I dont know LFS, its like your treating it like its a living being with thoughts and feelings. I dont even know what to say to that kind of behavior besides grow up!

I think some of you need to unplug from time to time. I dont know what the weather is like where you live, but its beautiful outside here and today is race day, in real life: bomber cars(oval), IMCA Modifieds(oval) and motorcycles. http://www.saratogaspeedway.bc.ca/

Enjoy your day, gents. :thumb:

510N3D

28th April 2007, 18:03

-1 billion for ovals...for talentless hacks with A.D.D. If I want to watch a mindless idiot goes in circles, I`ll watch my stupid dog chase his tail.

And that hotdog has the same complexity as you driving on any oval.

So you mean insulting others for what they are doing is the right to either step into a conversation and also expect a according response to all this nonsense? Very mature :thumbsup:

blah blah...but to say I dont play it enough therefore I dont know LFS...blah

And yes, you said it yourself, you only play at weekends (for a respectable reason) and having your join date in mind, you dont know very much about LFS. It seems to me that you do not understand the principle of proportionality.

/unplugged

Motordirex

28th April 2007, 18:09

So you mean insulting others for what they are doing is the right to either step into a conversation and also expect a according response to all this nonsense? Very mature :thumbsup:

/unplugged

No no...the responses were justified to my comments, but it went a bit far with telling me I dont know LFS because of my lack of track time and questioning my real world racing experience, thats all. You cant knock something unless youve tried it and Ive tried it.

510N3D

28th April 2007, 18:16

No no...the responses were justified to my comments, but it went a bit far with telling me I dont know LFS because of my lack of track time and questioning my real world racing experience, thats all. You cant knock something unless youve tried it and Ive tried it.

you still do not understand me then, i was not about to insult you in any way, im using the facts (http://www.lfsworld.net/?win=stats&racer=Motordirex) i have which are telling me that you cant have the knowledge to make a proper statement. And once again, just trying (doing a couple of laps or so with i dont know what car and people on the track) and doing it professional is something different.

Motordirex

28th April 2007, 21:38

you still do not understand me then, i was not about to insult you in any way, im using the facts (http://www.lfsworld.net/?win=stats&racer=Motordirex) i have which are telling me that you cant have the knowledge to make a proper statement. And once again, just trying (doing a couple of laps or so with i dont know what car and people on the track) and doing it professional is something different.

I ran ovals with a kart to start then got some seat time in a dwarf car. And your right between me doing a few laps and not liking it compared to pro drivers...you pay me millions, I'll race snails.

And get over the facts thing, seriously! So explain why with my limted track time with LFS that my success rate is close to someone with 10x's the laps, miles, and wins?

510N3D

28th April 2007, 22:47

PMD9409

29th April 2007, 02:09

I ran ovals with a kart to start then got some seat time in a dwarf car. And your right between me doing a few laps and not liking it compared to pro drivers...you pay me millions, I'll race snails.

And get over the facts thing, seriously! So explain why with my limted track time with LFS that my success rate is close to someone with 10x's the laps, miles, and wins?

The facts is what makes 510N3D right and you wrong. The only real thing that you say that compares to what you say is your limited track experience. You have only run on a few different tracks with only a handful of cars.

Then you talk about how good your finishes are to others. Only reason you have as many top-3's as you have is because a lot of your races have been with a field of four cars.

To add on to that you say you dont have much time, you only play on the weekends. Well, I looked up that too and it looks like you have played on weekdays just as much, if not more than you have on weekends.

Motordirex

29th April 2007, 08:15

%podium finishes = ((won+second+third) / finished) * 100

20+19+20 / 137 * 100 = 43%

compared to my 77% for example if that is what you actually meant.

Close to some extent as far as i can tell, pure average i would say. Says nothing about you or me at all. I'd say "success rate" is a relative value. Besides, i thought i should get over this facts thing?! :smileypul You're one strange fella, rly :D Just stick to your curcuit tracks and enjoy yourself alright? Time will tell if you are a good driver or not but in the end that doesn't really matter, more then that if you enjoyed every single race.

cheers

Well, it was brought up so I made the comparison with my own stats and those of KeiichiRX7, who was at 49%.

I dont suck at LFS, but Im not and never have or will say Im the fastest. And yes, I do enjoy the races most of the time...south city with lots of traffic can be frustrating. I wish I had the time to put in to up my STCC , license, but oh well.

Peace.