Would you like a seperate single seater licence?

[Becky Rose]

Some of you may already know that soon the SRA/STCC plans to open a new range of servers and we will be including single seaters.

There is no logistical reason to put the single seaters on a seperate licence, and in terms of what the licence is there's no reason why single seaters should be seperate. The licence is an overall guide to a drivers competitiveness - and keeping it is an indication that they reach a minimum standard of cleanliness on track.

However, I realise that some drivers might want to start over again on a new system with new cars - so i'm offering this poll to see what you all actually want.

Would you like to have a new and seperate licence for single seater racing?

[duke_toaster]

Unified, but which licence classes would each single seater be tied to? Reason being the FOX is a very good beginner car. If the FOX - which is easier to drive than the TBOs other than the RB4 (joint most abusable car in LFS) - needs anything other than a bronze licence it would be rather silly.

[danowat]

I would say seperate, STCC license was specifically for the TBO class, and the path progression XFG/XRG - TBO showed that.

I really think that single seaters, and also GTR cars, should have their own license's

[Nobo]

I think an extra license would be good in terms of overall competivness overview.
Just to take myself as an example, i would call myself competive in single seaters but not in the other cars, if i maybe would gain a silver or gold license just with single seater driving, that doesnt mean at all i am competive with the other cars.

But i think its to much logistics and work to implement an extra license system just for single seaters. So keep 1 license-system ;)

[danowat]

Just to take myself as an example, i would call myself competive in single seaters but not in the other cars, if i maybe would gain a silver or gold license just with single seater driving, that doesnt mean at all i am competive with the other cars.

Good point, I am currently platinum licensed in the STCC system, me being a relative noob to single seaters would go into the single seater system with a platinum license, which isn't stricly fair as I am not that great at single seaters.

I really must be seperate :smileypul

[Becky Rose]

But i think its to much logistics and work to implement an extra license system just for single seaters.
Let me worry about that :D. I dont mind, if it is what is wanted.

[Gentlefoot]

I voted separate becuase they are so different to drive to TBO etc

[Leifde]

Separate here too. :)

[Hyperactive]

Separate, just to get people racing for the points again. Who gets the first platinum etc. :)

Please use FO8 :p

[U4IK ST8]

Seperate for me also, as people have said, it's two different styles of driving. You would need to progress through each class (TBO, Single seater), not getting to the top of one class and automatically being top in the other class.

Great idea.:thumb:

[SamH]

I've voted for separate.. basically for the same reasons given by others. I really relish the opportunity to progress through SS licencing. I think it'd be awesome to parallel the FIA's SS career path in the SRA.

[duke_toaster]

I've voted for separate.. basically for the same reasons given by others. I really relish the opportunity to progress through SS licencing. I think it'd be awesome to parallel the FIA's SS career path in the SRA.

Same licence grades though IIRC.

[SamH]

Same licence grades though IIRC.
What I mean is.. separate from the STCC licence system, a new career path for single seaters.. move from MRT to FOX to FO8 to BF1. It'd be awesome.

[The Moose]

What I mean is.. separate from the STCC licence system, a new career path for single seaters.. move from MRT to FOX to FO8 to BF1. It'd be awesome.

+1 to that progression path:thumb:

[danowat]

What I mean is.. separate from the STCC licence system, a new career path for single seaters.. move from MRT to FOX to FO8 to BF1. It'd be awesome.

Aye, I am feeling that progression path :D

[SamH]

Geez.. just thinking about it.. an entire server full of BF1 drivers that can, EN MASSE, negotiate T1! It'd be a dream come true! :tilt:

[duke_toaster]

What I mean is.. separate from the STCC licence system, a new career path for single seaters.. move from MRT to FOX to FO8 to BF1. It'd be awesome.

If it WAS the same system and a single licence, what licence grades would you need for each car?

[al heeley]

What I mean is.. separate from the STCC licence system, a new career path for single seaters.. move from MRT to FOX to FO8 to BF1. It'd be awesome.
:thumb: yes please:nod:

[mcintyrej]

seperate :)

[SamH]

If it WAS the same system and a single licence, what licence grades would you need for each car?
That would be one for Becky to define, but I would suggest something to mimick real-life licence classes would be a good option.

[Gentlefoot]

What I mean is.. separate from the STCC licence system, a new career path for single seaters.. move from MRT to FOX to FO8 to BF1. It'd be awesome.

It's exactly the kind of progression I was thinking about starting myself. Really looking forward to this.

[Jakg]

that would be decided if it was voted for.

IMO, it should go FOX>MRT>FO8>BF1

[Dru]

Seperate licenses :)

MRT racing on the server would be great as a starter working upwards etc :thumb:

I can not wait :)

[danowat]

that would be decided if it was voted for.

IMO, it should go FOX>MRT>FO8>BF1

Seeing as the MRT is a "student" racing project, MRT should be first really

[SamH]

Seeing as the MRT is a "student" racing project, MRT should be first really
I just said exactly that to Jak in Teamspeak! LOL!

(war has ensued!) :D

[danowat]

If we were basing it on ease of use, then yeah, the FOX would probably come first, but its not about that, the MRT was developed to give students a taste of single seater racing, therefore any license progression for single seaters should really start with the MRT.

As for the prospect of a single seater license system, it is very exciting, hope it doesn't take too long to put together......hint.....hint ;)

[SamH]

Well, I'll be putting pressure on Becky to build the new system from the ground up, with very specific parameters (read: laws) regarding the environment landscape, extensibility and data integrity. I hope she listens!! :D I have tons of experience in project steering, which would be of benefit.

But it would probably mean that the development may not be as fast as it COULD be. Setting off in the right direction is more important than driving quickly on the way.

[Shotglass]

could you go with a tree licensing scheme ?
so that for the first few ranks you could eg avoid having to drive the mrt and gain your bronze for both classes in a xfg and then at xrg/fox level the progression path splits ?

[danowat]

Setting off in the right direction is more important than driving quickly on the way.

Bah........said like a true non-biker, a biker would say, going quickly on the way is much, much more important than setting off in any direction :thumb:

[FOGlegsy]

Ive gone for seperate, i loved gaining my licences and moving up servers, This way ill have to work to get where i want to again, all the fun of STCC:thumb:

[SamH]

Bah........said like a true non-biker, a biker would say, going quickly on the way is much, much more important than setting off in any direction :thumb:
Speaking as a non-biker, whose first job was digging graves at a cemetary, I'd say that where bikes are concerned.. getting there at all is the most important ;)

[danowat]

touche ;), there is a great amount of cagers on the road intent on making that quite difficult :)

[Gentlefoot]

I'm still with the MRT|FOX|FO8|BF1 progression. The MRT may be tricky at first but it forces you into good habits that will carry over to make you faster in the FOX and other SSs.

[DANDAMAN05]

i voted separate. simply because at the end of the day they are two completely different classes of cars. Also moving up in the stages : MRT>FOX>F08>BF1 is the best idea because think of the learning pattern. start off in the rather challenging MRT, to gain the experience with oversteer ect... then moving to FOX which is more forgiving, yet has that much more power, to the F08 (real mans car :P) where learning the tracks with a high powered car and without TC would then set you up for the BF1 (with TC or not wont really matter at this point imo because of the experience with the FO8.)

And yeah Sam's point is spot on... Racing the BF1 would be a pleasure because you are along side experienced racers, and not n00bs that just hop into a car that is way to overpowered for them.

Maybe this could be part of my F1 league i was going to run.... hmmm. unless becky wants to keep it separate.

[tristancliffe]

Separate.

How about, to avoid confusion with the 'road car' licence, you use a different material. At the moment all road cars use a metal licence. Perhaps with single seaters you could use wood (MRT = balsa, FO8 = mahogony, BF1 = plywood (because it's not all that good to race with in LFS)). GTR cars could be composites (e.g. FXR = GRP, XRR = Carbon Fibre, FZR = Carbon/Kevlar Honeycomb... Maybe I should refrain from thinking out loud...

[Becky Rose]

The tier suggestion is good, although I had planned to use that with the GTR servers by offering a GT licence extension for gold and above racers.

For the single seaters, seeing as the vote is going for a 2/3rd majority in favour of a seperate system, I am thinking of the following.

Firstly, the metals will be ditched in order that your SRA licence becomes a combination of the two licences when pronounced. I'm going for a traditional licence naming system:

Clubman (Copper)
National B (Bronze)
National A (Silver)
International B (Gold)
International A (Platinum)
Superlicence (Titanium)

On the MRT/FOX debate, I strongly fear that making MRT the entry level server would likely kill the system. I believe there is capacity for 3 popular single seater servers (allowing for spontaneous growth in the LFS single seater player base because of the system which will degrade over time to whatever natural level it eventually takes), using the STCC as a model it seems it will most likely work with two entry level servers and one pro server.

How these will be organised i'm not yet sure, I am deep in thought though, and I have some ideas...

Driving aids allowed and the progression they give will be moved from car selection (no need for balancing) to licence level.

EDIT: With the exception of auto-gears (which are just plain not allowed except via our disability access scheme) no driver aid will be required to be turned off to race when reaching a new licence level - they will hold your licence so that you can carry on racing - but once you feel ready to turn the aid off will allow your licence to progress.

[Leifde]

Or it could be something like: SS C, SS B, SS A. GTR C, GTR B, GTR A. :shrug:

EDIT: Too late.

[CELTIC100]

Seperate Licences - Double the racing MMMmmmm :D

PS. MRT would work with 5 min Qualifier then race

infact incorporate a qualifier session after track change for all single seater classes :)

[Shotglass]

On the MRT/FOX debate, I strongly fear that making MRT the entry level server would likely kill the system.

absolutely
imho its aweful and has nothing in common with the other single seaters in lfs

[Bean0]

Any possibility of using the MRT like the UF1 is now, on a seperate lower ranked server?

Does the MRT count as S1 content ?

[KMSpeed]

I voted for seperate also.

Really good points at post #36 Becky can hardly disagree with any of those :thumb:

Keep your creative mind spinning :)

[SamH]

Me 'n' the lads in TS were talking about the MRT, and how to incorporate it into the structure of the thing, while avoiding out-and-out death and destruction on the track..

If an AX circuit were to be developed, where a certain time had to be achieved with no penalties, you were then awarded your basic racing licence. From there, you would be permitted to enter the MRT challenge phase, and compete against other drivers....?

[mcintyrej]

Sounds good Sam. Timed autocross events are a once-in-a-blue-moon thing these days. Would be good to have some!

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

That AutoX idea is really awesome. I like the idea of actually training people or requiring a display of skill before being allowed to compete. Whilst many people despise the MRT (me included) I think the logic is too strong to deny; it's a beginners SS. I personally welcome the idea because it would give me a good reason to WANT to learn the little POS and run it well. Things may change for it for the better in a number of months with new tire physics updates too.

Looking foward to getting in on this system from the beginning this time. I started the current STCC around a month ago, and it's a pretty great idea! (once again, I live under a rock).

[Linsen]

I voted unified for two reasons:

1. I don't think the FOX really prepares you for the next SS. The FOX is a piece of cake to drive compared to the FO8. Sure, they feel somewhat similar, but additional experience with the XRT, the FZ5 or the LXes and their tendency to powerslide is imho really helpful to be able to deal with the FO8s power. So, I think the FOX should come before the TBO class in the license ladder while the FO8 should come after at least the TBO class.

2. very personal reason is that I don't have too much time racing and I wouldn't really want to divide my precious STCC time to two licenses :tilt: (feel free to disregard reason 2).

But it seems I lost already, anyway. So, be it.

[duke_toaster]

Me 'n' the lads in TS were talking about the MRT, and how to incorporate it into the structure of the thing, while avoiding out-and-out death and destruction on the track..

If an AX circuit were to be developed, where a certain time had to be achieved with no penalties, you were then awarded your basic racing licence. From there, you would be permitted to enter the MRT challenge phase, and compete against other drivers....?

I know the FOX isn't an F3 car, but smaller formula cars (FFords, F3s and so-on) and so-on are used commonly for hillclimbs - the FOX also feels nice on that sort of track.

Maybe - just maybe - the layout should be the one in the training missions for the MRT - it's in the /lesson folder of LFS. That way everyone knows that layout.

The MRT is a downright bitch to drive IMO - oversteer only paralleled by the bloody RaceAbout :x.

If LFS had an FFord, I would put that as first but as we don't - and as seen as Formula Renault has generally replaced FFord as the second rung on the ladder to F1 (albeit with alternatives, FPA is starting to get interest). All the rookies in F1 (and I'm counting Kubica, but not counting Davidson and Wurz as seen as they have been testing for yonks and/or are coming back to F1) except Sutil (who did Formula BMW, I don't think they have Formula Renault in Germany) have something in common - they all did Formula Renault.

The FOX is also a good car to concentrate on building up line, braking points and racecraft rather than just ensuring you don't spin the thing.

[Shotglass]

Whilst many people despise the MRT (me included) I think the logic is too strong to deny; it's a beginners SS.

the mrt is way harder to drive than the fox which is just dead
if anything it should be a gimmick for fo8 licencees

edit:
also i personally think that single seater without wings look and are thoroughly silly

[tristancliffe]

The MRT is a downright bitch to drive IMO - oversteer only paralleled by the bloody RaceAbout :x.

MRT is quite oversteery, and hard to catch, because of it's short wheelbase and mass distribution. However, the RaceAbout is limited by UNDERsteer not oversteer. Whenever I drive it I spend all my time dialing out understeer. The oversteer you have is simply a product of too much throttle.

[Jakg]

MRT is quite oversteery, and hard to catch, because of it's short wheelbase and mass distribution. However, the RaceAbout is limited by UNDERsteer not oversteer. Whenever I drive it I spend all my time dialing out understeer. The oversteer you have is simply a product of too much throttle.i have to agree, the LRF's are a little...dead to me for this exact reason - while racing i just get understeer, yet when messing about it's 24/7 oversteer, although tbh i'm sure it's my fault!

[Shotglass]

The oversteer you have is simply a product of too much throttle.

ironically so is the understeer

biggest problem with the rac imho is the stupidly laggy turbo ... youre plowing through the corner with constant understeer when the turbo finally does what its supposed to and every bit of the cars design (short light tailheavy) works together to make it swap ends as quickly as possible

[12ozJesus]

I very much enjoy the idea of STCC and working ones way up a ladder. After driving UF1s and XFGs to the point of great redundance, however, I'd like to see FOXs (at least) available as a newbie car for a nice change of pace.

[SamH]

For me, the question is which car prepares you for which cars? The MRT definitely prepares you for other SS cars.. it's a challenging drive on the best of days.. but you've done well if you succeed in it.

You must surely concede that the FOX will do nothing to prepare you for the MRT experience.

Jak will scream when I say this, but the MRT is the closest thing we have at the moment, to a kart. I concede it's not a kart at all, but it would be suited to tracks akin to karting tracks. I quite like the idea of a suite of 4 or 5 intro servers, delivering a kart-ish AX track, with a maximum 7 or 8 racers in each, to bring people in to the SRA career path.

[CELTIC100]

Totally agree SamH, I have personally been racing the Fox and MRT recently and although the MRT is harder to control it's not that bad after a little practice and on any of the SO tracks its a complete Blast :D The trick is to go to an established server and ask for a decent set up :thumb: then you will find it alot easier to control with decent settings.

[Becky Rose]

No chance Sam. Can you imagine the nightmare of dealing with new racers to the server dealing with an MRT and saying 'why cant i race fox?' Then soon get booted by the swear filter and not bother returning.

The Fox has to be the entry level server, for reasons of userbase.

[CELTIC100]

Becky any chance of silver and higher automatically gaining entry to second tier servers from the off as in cross migration from STCC (or is this already planned) :D

It's just otherwise at the start the FOX server will be a nightmare just to get onto :( and your other servers will be unused until racers gain their respective licences.

PS. have you considered duel bottom tier as in the STCC 1a and 1b - as one could run FOX and the other MRT :D although the FOX mabe the favourite the MRT does have a following also and i'm sure both servers would be a great success ;)

[U4IK ST8]

I would have to agree with Sam on this, sorry Becky, but if you are going to run a SS license system, I thinkthe MRT would have to be included. Also, it would have to come before the FOX because the FOX would not prepare you for the MRT, as Sam said. I understand it's a difficult car to handle but I think that any server, with a setup like the STCC, would be better off without people who are unwilling to learn and who just want to get into the fastest cars a quick as possible. I understand some people are already well able to handle these cars but I would imagine there was just as many people who could drive the UF1-XFG/XRG when they began their STCC license, but still had to go through the motions of getting their Silver license before progressing onto #2 server.

The way Sam suggests, to have an AX with a reduced number racers before actually getting on track, I think is a great idea. People who join the server will soon find out that it's not your normal server and learning to handle the car is the name of the game, NOT seeing who is the fastest/best driver.

[i30i3i3y]

I totally agree with Becky, entry level server has to be the FOX. The MRT is a harder car than the FOX, so you'd be going backwards from the MRT to the FOX.

I acknowledge that the FOX does nothing to prepare you for the other single seaters, but the entry level server would be an introduction to race craft rather than vehicle control. Once drivers know how to behave on track you can let em loose with the more difficult vehicles.

So as unnatural as it looks, I'd suggest FOX > MRT > FO8 > BF1 for progression. Possibly combine the MRT and FO8, alternating on the second tier server. Then we have the pinnacle of sim racing, the BF1 tier (where drivers aren't just going round in circles)!

[Becky Rose]

I think I speak for the majority (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=22032) who never bothered completing the training missions, why would they bother doing them just to get into an entry level race server?

How would the system attract the existing Fox racers by offering them an MRT?

I'm sure there is a place for the MRT, but it is one of the most technically challenging cars in LFS, and is also frustrating for beginners because of it's lack of reverse and it's propensity to put you in situations that require reversing. It does not seam suited for use on an entry level tiered server at all, certainly not as the precursor to the 3 proper cars.

Remember that in real life the cars which preceed Formula Renault are quite comparable to it, just with a smaller engine and more restrictions on setup and tuning etc, and before them Go Karts.

The MRT is not a go kart, not even remotely. It's an entry level engineering project for school kids and these days they probably dont even let them race in this country for fear of hurting the loosers fealings (sports days aren't what they used to be over here).

I'm not saying there cannot be an MRT server, but I do believe it is not appropriate for use on the first tier.

On initial launch of the system I will guage how popular the servers are, and there effect on our other servers, and then I will consider setting up an S1 MRT server.

Becky any chance of silver and higher automatically gaining entry to second tier servers from the off as in cross migration from STCC (or is this already planned) :D
This is what the poll is for. Whether the licence is shared between the road cars and single seaters, or whether it is a seperate system. Currently the results suggest the majority would like a seperate system.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

PS. have you considered duel bottom tier as in the STCC 1a and 1b - as one could run FOX and the other MRT :D although the FOX mabe the favourite the MRT does have a following also and i'm sure both servers would be a great success ;)

This is an idea... provided then that the MRT earns you points at at least twice the rate of the FOX.

The problem is, the other two cars are far harder to drive than the FOX. The FOX doesn't teach the patience and self control required when driving the larger SS cars. The MRT is a much closer type of experience in terms of the skills required for the FO8 and BF1 - it's just on a slower scale.

[mcintyrej]

Its hard to make a decision after reading all the reply's. But, i'd probably go for the entry level FOX. The autoX MRT would be good, but just the samea s the Logitech Rally series. Which uses autoX..etc.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

I think I speak for the majority (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=22032) who never bothered completing the training missions

erm, just to point out that more people completed at least some than didn't do any... :hide:

[CELTIC100]

BeckyThis is what the poll is for. Whether the licence is shared between the road cars and single seaters, or whether it is a seperate system. Currently the results suggest the majority would like a seperate system.

If so are you suggesting that everyone would have to start from scratch even Platinum and Titanium Racers from STCC servers which would render 3/4 of your servers redundant during the first couple of weeks as no one would have access to them due to no licence, IMO Gold from STCC should have immediate access to the second tier and Platinum and Titanium possibly full access from the start.

I voted for a seperate licence system as far as points are concerned but as far as access is concerned could the above or simular be implemented from the start.

If this is not the case you may have to run all servers with the FOX from the Off due to the amount of racers trying to gain access as I believe this will be a resounding success possibly to the detriment of your STCC servers to a certain extent.

Good luck with the balancing act but it's probably best just to jump in and adjust as we go to suit can't wait myself - I'm like a kid whose Birthdays have come all at once :D:thumb:

[duke_toaster]

You must surely concede that the FOX will do nothing to prepare you for the MRT experience.

But MRT won't prepare you much for FOX. FBMW would, MRT won't.

Jak will scream when I say this, but the MRT is the closest thing we have at the moment, to a kart. I concede it's not a kart at all, but it would be suited to tracks akin to karting tracks. I quite like the idea of a suite of 4 or 5 intro servers, delivering a kart-ish AX track, with a maximum 7 or 8 racers in each, to bring people in to the SRA career path.

That's like saying that the UF1 is as near to getting out of the car and running around the track - it is, but it is nothing like pegging it.

I have a general STCC licencing request - please could we have a 1c as the 1a and 1b servers are the bottleneck in the system.

[Becky Rose]

erm, just to point out that more people completed at least some than didn't do any... :hide:
The point is, more people didn't do any or couldn't be bothered to finish them than those who completed it. That's the thing that sticks in my mind, I mean at the end of the day the SRA system cannot be all things to all people, but if I put MRT layout qualification at the entry level it would appeal to less than 50% - that would be a problem when trying to appeal to a new userbase.

I have a general STCC licencing request - please could we have a 1c as the 1a and 1b servers are the bottleneck in the system.
With the coming of the single seater servers i'm concerned that opening a new entry level server for the road cars would result in the userbase being spread to thin and the whole thing collapsing on itself.

The good news though, is aswell as the single seater expansion i'll also be adding GT1 and GT2 servers. Exact specifics havn't been worked out yet (single seaters first), but the idea is that the GTR's and the XFR/UFR will be added to the existing STCC licence system as some form of licence extension for gold and above racers.

[CELTIC100]

BeckyThe good news though, is aswell as the single seater expansion i'll also be adding GT1 and GT2 servers. Exact specifics havn't been worked out yet (single seaters first), but the idea is that the GTR's and the XFR/UFR will be added to the existing STCC licence system as some form of licence extension for gold and above racers.

This just gets better and better :thumb::thumb:

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

The point is, more people didn't do any or couldn't be bothered to finish them than those who completed it. That's the thing that sticks in my mind, I mean at the end of the day the SRA system cannot be all things to all people, but if I put MRT layout qualification at the entry level it would appeal to less than 50% - that would be a problem when trying to appeal to a new userbase.


Fair enough, but I wouldn't use that data as "market research". My main point being that there is / was no reason for people to do those tests. If slightly less than 50% of people did all the lessons for no good reason, that actually says a lot! If 40% of people are willing to do magnitudes MORE training lessons with no carrot at the end of the stick, then I would think that comparatively almost noone would be put off of the SRA system by one or two "tests" that actually have a purpose to it - moving up in the ranks. It's like an audition as well as training.

Just my thoughts of course.

[FOGlegsy]

That's like saying that the UF1 is as near to getting out of the car and running around the track - it is, but it is nothing like pegging it.



:D lol sorry i had to quote this, it made me smile

[Linsen]

The good news though, is aswell as the single seater expansion i'll also be adding GT1 and GT2 servers. Exact specifics havn't been worked out yet (single seaters first), but the idea is that the GTR's and the XFR/UFR will be added to the existing STCC licence system as some form of licence extension for gold and above racers.
Well, that's indeed great news (although you've mentioned that before ;)), but shouldn't the UFR and XFR be available to silver licensed racers (I'm not just saying that because I'm still silver)? I feel they're easier to drive competitively than the TBO's.

[mrodgers]

The good news though, is aswell as the single seater expansion i'll also be adding GT1 and GT2 servers. Exact specifics havn't been worked out yet (single seaters first), but the idea is that the GTR's and the XFR/UFR will be added to the existing STCC licence system as some form of licence extension for gold and above racers.
I was going to post some thoughts as I am not in the least interested in racing anything that has to do with the MRT or the FOX. I just don't care for the MRT and last April's physics/tire patch ruined the FOX, IMO. That use to be a fun car, now it is just wierd feeling for me. I think somewhere along the line, you should be able to run SS cars with the higher license of the tintops. If you add the baby GTRs and the big GTRs to the current licensing, I'll be quite happy. But if the licensing doesn't somehow cross over into the single seaters, then I have no hope of ever having STCC fun in the F08 as I don't like the FOX at all.

[GruntOfAction]

Love the single seat seprate license thing.

Also I wish you got bonus points for doing stuff because....

I was doing a 13 lap race today and on lap 4 I hit the wall and totaled suspension......went through the whole race, not disruptin anyone, and finished 3rd!

I wish i had gotten a purple cross or something like the military has lol.

[LordBlaster]

i voted for a new licence system, even if i´m at 30k+ in the old ones.

the only thing i really really hope is, we could use the MRT at some way
and ALL cars gives you points at all licence level´s ;)

[Gentlefoot]

I'm still with the MRT crowd on this. I know its very different from other cars in terms of slip angles and wheelbase so takes some getting used to but it really aint that hard to drive after you understand the vehicle dynamics. Also, it does have reverse, it's just you have to go down through neautral and back up a gear to get to it.

Just to throw another idea in, maybe the LXs are actually good preparation for the FO8 too.

[danowat]

Also, it does have reverse, it's just you have to go down through neautral and back up a gear to get to it.

Thats a new one on me :shrug:, I have never, and can't, find a reverse gear on the MRT

[Gentlefoot]

Thats a new one on me :shrug:, I have never, and can't, find a reverse gear on the MRT

aah - hang on a sec - maybe I'm thinking of getting neutral

lol - oh well - don't leave it in a shumi/rascasse position then :)

and there's always SPACEBAR :)

[herki]

Didn't have the time to read all posts, but here is my suggestion:
Combined :smileypul
Meaining you need bronze or silver to start on single seaters but get your own license with single seaters then

[Storm_Cloud]

I am useless at driving tin tops, but pretty handy in the single seaters, especially the FO8.

Why should I have to complete Bronze & Silver in a car I do not like just so I can drive a car that bears a different licence, and is not related to tin tops in any way?

Should be completely separate IMO. Also, MRT needs to be included somewhere. Perhaps that could be used alongside LX4 as a parallel entry level car?

[herki]

I am useless at driving tin tops, but pretty handy in the single seaters, especially the FO8.

Why should I have to complete Bronze & Silver in a car I do not like just so I can drive a car that bears a different licence, and is not related to tin tops in any way?

Should be completely separate IMO. Also, MRT needs to be included somewhere. Perhaps that could be used alongside LX4 as a parallel entry level car?

My idea was, that you prove your ability to drive by acquiring a license first (n00b-prevention)

I wish there was a seperate server for MRTs with layouts on it, cause MRTs can get pretty boring on tracks with more than 300m straights - which is almost all tracks :shrug:

[LordBlaster]

the MRT is a lot of fun at the club-tracks like they are at fern-bay and aston.
and its even fun at most of the other fe-tracks...

also had some great league races at aston-club and the south-city courses with it :D

after all its just kyoto and the longer aston tracks (up from national) where
the MRT is completly senseless.

[Gentlefoot]

the MRT is a lot of fun at the club-tracks like they are at fern-bay and aston.
and its even fun at most of the other fe-tracks...

also had some great league races at aston-club and the south-city courses with it :D

after all its just kyoto and the longer aston tracks (up from national) where
the MRT is completly senseless.

I agree - we had some great racing in these in the OWRL Christmas Championship eh m8 - very competitive lol ;)

[DeadWolfBones]

Separate. There are very different skills involved in each class, and someone who's gold in TBO might be a total n00b to the FO8.

[Zachary Zoomy]

I say same lisence. I'm finding it hard to get my lisence status up. more cars to race with would help me avoid the noobs more quickly. we could have a bronze only server with FOX or something.

[FL!P]

I've voted for separate too. And I also think a MRT -> FOX -> FO8 -> BF1 progression would be great. Looking forward to it!

[N I K I]

I don't understand one thing!

Is this separate license for:
Formula servers (MRT, FOX, FO8, BF1)
or GTR servers (UFR, XFR, FXR, XRR, FZR)

[Jakg]

Formula, the GTR's aren't single seaters :D

[Racin Jason]

I would like to see different licenses for the openwheelers. Reason I say this is becasue the hardcore openwheel racers don't drive,(nor like) the TBO cars. I think it would be neat to start over with these openwheelers, and see a new crowd go for the highest rank (myself included.)

I would like to see everyone go through the MRT first. When I first got LFS the MRT taught me to be fast, and great car control. This transferred over to me adapting well to every other car in the game easily!

I truely believe that when people give the MRT a chance, and actually learn the car, they will love it.

[Gentlefoot]

I truely believe that when people give the MRT a chance, and actually learn the car, they will love it.


So true. And the skills you learn make you faster in the other SSs.

[Kdovi]

PS. have you considered duel bottom tier as in the STCC 1a and 1b - as one could run FOX and the other MRT :D although the FOX mabe the favourite the MRT does have a following also and i'm sure both servers would be a great success ;)

I really love this idea :thumb:

[Becky Rose]

I've done some experimenting with the MRT online recently, and i've concluded that the place for the MRT is not on the bottom tier because I really dont want to have to deal with all the reports that it will generate.

I will likely use the FO8/MRT/BF1 on some kind of within server rotation, rather than setting up separate servers for each class.

[B11TME]

I've done some experimenting with the MRT online recently, and i've concluded that the place for the MRT is not on the bottom tier because I really dont want to have to deal with all the reports that it will generate.

I will likely use the FO8/MRT/BF1 on some kind of within server rotation, rather than setting up separate servers for each class.

I dont really think the MRT should be in same class as F08, FOX and BF1 i really think you should have MRT in different class of its own and then F08 and FOX together on a rotation and then the BF1 on its own. I am very interested in this myself.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

What about now with the preload setting? The MRT is way easier to drive now.....

[KMSpeed]

My opinion on the matter is 2 beginner servers, one for the FOX and and one for the MRT and 1 rotating between FO8 & BF1. :)

[Kdovi]

My opinion on the matter is 2 beginner servers, one for the FOX and and one for the MRT

+1 :thumb:

and 1 rotating between FO8 & BF1. :)

-1 FO8 and BF1 are too different imho

[KMSpeed]

I know that, but since Becky wanted 2 servers only, 1 for FOX and 1 for MRT/FO8/BF1 rotating, I proposed this solution as a huppy compromise.

I guess the best would be four servers, 1 for each car but money is an issue here specially if we count in and all the other servers she's running. :shrug:

[Becky Rose]

There will be 3 to 4 servers, probably 3. However, not a single person will be happy with the exact selection of cars, tracks, licence levels and driver aids... That's the beauty of a free society :). What I hope, is that you all enjoy it.

[Kdovi]

I'm for 4 servers. 2 beginners (1 mrt (new and bronze) and 1 fox (new and bronze) and FO8 (silver) and BF1 (gold)
P.S.: I know there will be different licences its just to imagine

[csurdongulos]

Becky, you are aware that the mrt5 is S1 content, are you? as I see it, because of the challenge it poses for many drivers it will never be as popular to fill a 28 slot server. so having another s1 server with 15 or 16? slots would make a good compromise and would also make Scawen happy :D

[LordBlaster]

it seems that becky is abit afraid that the new server´s will not get that
popular as the old ones are.

maybe she´s right and the FOX should be the car to start-of with on the beginner server.

but: i think the beginner-wrecking-reports won´t be less with the FOX
instead of the MRT ;)

my suggestion is: every car gives you points on every server at every time
of you licence.

maybe some drivers want to driver FOX over and over, even with a higher licence... maybe some drivers just want to race the FO8... whatever.

the points maybe different. FOX = 1x, FO8/MRT = 2x, BF1 = 3x.