Round 7 Discussion

[Arrow.]

Round 7 Was at Kyoto Nation (ky2) - Formula V8 (Fo8)

Congrats to Fusion. Fizzle Snips for taking the victory in round 7

[Bawbag]

hi im bagbag

[jamesrowe]

hi im bagbag
Really?

[arco]

Replays anyone, please. Need em for the stats. :)

[spankmeyer]

Replay of the race. (http://migoho.pp.fi/lfs/bott_r7-kyonat-fo8_spankmeyer.mpr)

[arco]

Thanks! :)

Got the qualify too by any chance?

[spankmeyer]

Terribly sorry, but I forgot to save the quali replay. I can host the file though.

[arco]

No problem, I'm getting it from Arrow.

[[DUcK]]

hi im bagbag

:bowdown:

[lococost]

I'ld like to make a complaint against Gjerde, In lap 10, he drives in the back of me for no reason firstly, my car gets unsettled, but I manage to keep it on the road, then secondly, instead of Gjerde backing off a bit while my car is unseattled, he still pushes on, hits my rear wheel, we both spin off and I get huge damage, if that isnt enough, I get back on track before him and in the next bend he hits me again from the side. And if that wasnt enough, a couple of laps later he started babbeling about his pentium and something about unleashing his Xforce???

Had to pit in after the attacks, totally forgot the pitlane entry speed still thinking about what could posses someone to do something like that... and well, that was that, race over really.

[jamesrowe]

I'ld like to make a complaint against Gjerde, In lap 10, he drives in the back of me for no reason firstly, my car gets unsettled, but I manage to keep it on the road, then secondly, instead of Gjerde backing off a bit while my car is unseattled, he still pushes on, hits my rear wheel, we both spin off and I get huge damage, if that isnt enough, I get back on track before him and in the next bend he hits me again from the side. And if that wasnt enough, a couple of laps later he started babbeling about his pentium and something about unleashing his Xforce???

Had to pit in after the attacks, totally forgot the pitlane entry speed still thinking about what could posses someone to do something like that... and well, that was that, race over really.
There were a few complaints about Gjerde at the end of the race, I am sure some of the Fusion guys will look into your incident!

I had an awful start, stated last and went slow so that any crashes would have happened and I could go round it all! But didnt quiet go to plan with a few darting around on track, ended up getting stuck in gravel :(...

Then a few laps later it disconnected, came back when I could to finish off a race that never would have been good with an old joystick :shy:

Well done Spankmeyer for 4th :D

[BenjiMC]

I looked at it and found nothing, you were unsettled and there wasn't enough time for him to react imo, but at the end of the day it's the marshalls ruling:shrug:

[jamesrowe]

I looked at it and found nothing, you were unsettled and there wasn't enough time for him to react imo, but at the end of the day it's the marshalls ruling:shrug:
It is also racing so...:nod:

[LFSn00b]

Great job Mr.Rowe, you only lost 30 laps :D

[jamesrowe]

Great job Mr.Rowe, you only lost 30 laps :D
:shy: I got DC'ed, thats not David Coulthard'ed :D

At least I made an effort to finish it, even though it was over 30laps behind:x

[kaynd]

I looked at it and found nothing, you were unsettled and there wasn't enough time for him to react imo, but at the end of the day it's the marshalls ruling:shrug:

He actually reacted and let off the throttle but then he immediately pushed it again trying to take advantage of the lococost’s car which became unsettled cause of his (Gjerde’s) misjudgment of the extra speed he gained from the slipstream…

The initial fault could be an accident cause of lack of racing experience but then there is no real excuse for the rest… maybe carelessness? :shrug:

[tristancliffe]

Enjoyed that race - some great driving in there!

And, I have to say (and I probably wouldn't have posted this just to say well done), James cannot drive for crap!! It's so bad it's funny. He claims he started slow to drive around the accidents, but he took out someone in T1, and rarely if ever strung more than 3 corners together. When he did, he was about 1 second per CORNER off the pace.

Sorry James, but I think stamp collecting is more suited for you. I'd love to be able to say that all the past accusations were wrong, and that you CAN drive, but the truth is you can't. Skill and James do not exist comfortably in the same sentence.

But thanks for the laugh - every race series has to have a complete and utter noob, and it just so happens you're it in more than one series :D

[spankmeyer]

At least he didn't accidentally telepit mid-race. Not that I ever... errr...

4th place this time bitches! :thumb:

[Shotglass]

best bit is when he waits a few laps on track for spanky and duvel to come around only to hold duvel up to give his teammate some breathing room

[DuVeL]

Hmzzz, so I was not the only one with those thoughts :shrug: ...

First I was thinking ... hey, didn't I pass that guy the lap before ?
Second, he was surely not making it easy to let me pass ... even 'zigzagging' at certain points.

I'm gonna take a look at the replay this evening before making any sort of complaint.

[Arrow.]

Enjoyed that race - some great driving in there!

And, I have to say (and I probably wouldn't have posted this just to say well done), James cannot drive for crap!! It's so bad it's funny. He claims he started slow to drive around the accidents, but he took out someone in T1, and rarely if ever strung more than 3 corners together. When he did, he was about 1 second per CORNER off the pace.

Sorry James, but I think stamp collecting is more suited for you. I'd love to be able to say that all the past accusations were wrong, and that you CAN drive, but the truth is you can't. Skill and James do not exist comfortably in the same sentence.

But thanks for the laugh - every race series has to have a complete and utter noob, and it just so happens you're it in more than one series :D

atleast he takes part..

[Shotglass]

btw on a different note
has anybody got a different replay of that race or is it just my copy of lfs that shows a weird behaviour on gjerdes suspension

at the start he crashes and his front right sping shows red damage
just seconds afterwars the spring is ok again
during the rest of the race his suspension shows some very stange loads and jumps all the time

is this lag related ... a corrupted replay or something else ?
maybe we should report it to scawen ... looks like a bug

[Bawbag]

I wouldn't quite call leaving then joining midrace "Taking part" and I completely agree with Tristans post, atleast he shows the interest to actually spend the time looking at the replay and posting his opinion.

No need to start moaning at people who didn't join the league.

Edit: AFAIK that is just a bug, on your pc he would have crashed harder than he actually did (Due to lag and stuff) but your pc still calculates the damage from the impact. Usually it sorts itself out though, after about 5 seconds or so it reverts back to the actual damage that the car took.

[cmckowen]

atleast he takes part..

No need to start moaning at people who didn't join the league.

We had some drivers interested in the league but not enough to make every event and we would rather give our spot to a team who can race the full season and not make a half arsed appearance.

But congrats to Fusion for one hell of a win there! :thumb: fo8....eugh :razz:

[Arrow.]

We had some drivers interested in the league but not enough to make every event and we would rather give our spot to a team who can race the full season and not make a half arsed appearance.

But congrats to Fusion for one hell of a win there! :thumb: fo8....eugh :razz:

maybe next season? :shrug:
Thanks Fizzles done us proud :D

[Hyperactive]

I just wanted to say that the race was actually quite entertaining to watch :shy:

I watched the start from spankie's car and he lost like 3 or 4 places in the start/before T1 and I was thinking like spanky, keep up! Few corners laters he was like 6th or 7th, about 8 places higher :D. And that one car was mighty close in T1, spanky must have some über sense of space or something :thumb:

Also few funny things, like the mercury drivers tangling up to each others, mr. rowe learning the combo and some other curious driving tactics. Interesting race :tilt:

[tristancliffe]

atleast he takes part..

I'd love to. Hopefully around June I'll be able to dedicate more time to LFS, and get back into my league events. Even half-hour arrive-and-drive sessions on LFS are denied me...

Despite not basically playing LFS for ~2 months (apart from the odd lap here and there to test sounds or patch features, and 3 races last week) I'm still reasonably confident that I'd spank Jamz'eszzes ass on any combo, thus my criticism still stands.

[Greboth]

Enjoyed that race - some great driving in there!

And, I have to say (and I probably wouldn't have posted this just to say well done), James cannot drive for crap!! It's so bad it's funny. He claims he started slow to drive around the accidents, but he took out someone in T1, and rarely if ever strung more than 3 corners together. When he did, he was about 1 second per CORNER off the pace.

Sorry James, but I think stamp collecting is more suited for you. I'd love to be able to say that all the past accusations were wrong, and that you CAN drive, but the truth is you can't. Skill and James do not exist comfortably in the same sentence.

But thanks for the laugh - every race series has to have a complete and utter noob, and it just so happens you're it in more than one series :D

Have to add james only raced due to 3 DR drivers without a wheel and afaik no real practice. If he's the noob what am i cause he beat me with the lx6 :shy:

At least he didn't accidentally telepit mid-race. Not that I ever... errr...

4th place this time bitches! :thumb:

I don't know anyone who would do something stupid like that :razz: :x

Sounded like an eventful race will look forward to the review's.

[Shotglass]

Edit: AFAIK that is just a bug, on your pc he would have crashed harder than he actually did (Due to lag and stuff) but your pc still calculates the damage from the impact. Usually it sorts itself out though, after about 5 seconds or so it reverts back to the actual damage that the car took.

that doesnt explain why the car behaves as if its seriously damaged in spite of f10 only showing minimal damage though

[jamesrowe]

Enjoyed that race - some great driving in there!

And, I have to say (and I probably wouldn't have posted this just to say well done), James cannot drive for crap!! It's so bad it's funny. He claims he started slow to drive around the accidents, but he took out someone in T1, and rarely if ever strung more than 3 corners together. When he did, he was about 1 second per CORNER off the pace.

Sorry James, but I think stamp collecting is more suited for you. I'd love to be able to say that all the past accusations were wrong, and that you CAN drive, but the truth is you can't. Skill and James do not exist comfortably in the same sentence.

But thanks for the laugh - every race series has to have a complete and utter noob, and it just so happens you're it in more than one series :D
Sorry for my very very very bad driving! I told everyone to be careful of me as I was racing with an old faulty joystick as I have no wheel at the moment! I was only there because no one else could have raced, really didnt want to with an Fo8 + Crappy old MS joy stick that needs to be binned = Bad driving

When I had a wheel and raced say the LX6 round, I was not so bad :S
Edit: I also had no practise with a wheel for cornering speeds etc, was all spair of the moment to race. Hence the joystick!

[Jakg]

Enjoyed that race - some great driving in there!

And, I have to say (and I probably wouldn't have posted this just to say well done), James cannot drive for crap!! It's so bad it's funny. He claims he started slow to drive around the accidents, but he took out someone in T1, and rarely if ever strung more than 3 corners together. When he did, he was about 1 second per CORNER off the pace.

Sorry James, but I think stamp collecting is more suited for you. I'd love to be able to say that all the past accusations were wrong, and that you CAN drive, but the truth is you can't. Skill and James do not exist comfortably in the same sentence.

But thanks for the laugh - every race series has to have a complete and utter noob, and it just so happens you're it in more than one series :DTristan, you are the master of pwnage - you create such beautifully fashioned insults i would enjoy reading them even if they were about me. Well done :thumb:

:D

[Shotglass]

Sorry for my very very very bad driving! I told everyone to be careful of me as I was racing with an old faulty joystick as I have no wheel at the moment! I was only there because no one else could have raced, really didnt want to with an Fo8 + Crappy old MS joy stick that needs to be binned = Bad driving

and thats supposed to be an excuse ?

When I had a wheel and raced say the LX6 round, I was not so bad :S

personal best as you only took out 2 other drivers ?

[Rooble]

Was a rubbish race for me and Pecker, I myself lost intrest after the first race and the final blow was requalifying. Slugging through 3 hours of racing just didnt appeal to me, im not one for endurance, well unless its planned. As for pecker he didnt get any real practice down and was shipped in last minute:nod: Still it was funny when he tried to avoid me, only having me run into him :D

I had a good battle for 6th near the end with B11TME, but he got a blow out so that didnt last too long.

[DuVeL]

best bit is when he waits a few laps on track for spanky and duvel to come around only to hold duvel up to give his teammate some breathing room

I'm making an official complaint against team "Dynamic Racing", more specific against [DR] JAM'ez.

I watched the replay a few times to be very sure, and yes I believe in coïncidence ... but in all my opinions and visions I couldn't find anything that pleads in [DR]'s advantage; and certainly not 3 times in a row.

The laptimes I mention are from JAM'ez' second connect.

± 37m50s: reconnect (you should have stayed watching the teletubbies)
± 43m50s: pit out
± 52m05s: deliberately going off-track at the end of lap 5; waiting noticable long for Spankmeyer and me to arrive, so you can place yourself in between. I'll keep your steering manoevres to your joystick disadvantage ...
± 56m25s: after a bit of "wandering around" you make a pitstop at the end of lap 7. Why ? I can't see any damage. Was the the waiting until our next 'passing-by' a bit too long or maybe you were out of fuel ?. Since I can't control that ... let's assume it was the fuel.
±57m10s: leaving the pits, not in a hurry ... how odd, you just positioned yourself after Xenoa. Guess who's on the way ?
±58m55s: Yup, nice calculating. When entering lap 9 your buddy Spankmeyer arrives. BTW your throttle actions are getting a bit obvious.
Ouch, you miscalculated, that DuVeL guy was able to pass you on the straight. Damn he must be fast [sarcastic], let's try it another time.
± 1h00m20s: End of lap 9. Can't wait at the same place I did the first time, humm let's try 100 metres further so nobody can see my evil plans. Hehe I'm so smart.
± 1h01m25s: Rev your engines, here they come. Bloody hell, I almost fell asleep there.
± 1h02m:10s: Cruising a bit to make sure your buddy can pass without trouble ... now let's pester that DuVeL guy again.
± 1h02m40s: Woohoo, I almost knocked him out ... damn, he could just keep himself off the grass. Let's try that again ... this is fun.
± 1h02m40s: I'll brake a bit earlier and then suddenly cut him off ... yeah, he will never see that one coming ...
Missing accomplished, nobody can touch my prescious buddy.
I'll forget about the next attempt, since you were dumb enough to skid into the sand before doing any harm ...

I'm leaving it to the designated people now to watch and judge this complaint. Perhaps for the better it's up to them ... since I'm very pissed-off watching this over and over again to be sure.

JAM'ez, as someone mentioned before, try to do something else. Stay away from something that has wheels. And if you feel the need to do something that is a bit against the rules, take that flashlight off your head ... maybe next time, nobody will notice.

Team [DR], I'm very dissappointed in this kind of behaviour; I can only hope this was a solo action from JAM'ez and it had nothing to do with teamspeak stuff. I'm sure Spankmeyer was good enough to defend himself without the idiot interference ... we had a clean battle the race before, so why this kind of childish behaviour ?

[Rooble]

.....

At first I thought you were just talking rubbish, until I reviewed the replay personally and Id have to say Id agree with your analysis.

James I have no idea what the hell you think you were doing, to begin with you rejoined the race about 10/15 laps after you disconnected. It was clear you were trying to slow duvel down, in my opinion thats just poor racing and Id not like to see DR continue racing in BoTT if this is the sort of tactics you choose to use.


At least he didn't accidentally telepit mid-race. Not that I ever... errr...

4th place this time bitches! :thumb:


Yeah, im sure duvel would have something to say about that.

[spankmeyer]

Yeah, im sure duvel would have something to say about that.

Pardon me, but are you referring to my actions in round 7? Beyond driving my car around the track for 50 laps, I had no involvement to race results or other drivers' decisions.

Looking forward to seeing how this unfolds.

[Rooble]

Pardon me, but are you referring to my actions in round 7? Beyond driving my car around the track for 50 laps, I had no involvement to race results or other drivers' decisions.

Looking forward to seeing how this unfolds.


Perhaps... perhaps not, how are we to know? All that is clear is that James strategically positioned himself to slow the car behind you down. All I'm saying is if James hadn't of rejoined perhaps your result might have been very different.

[spankmeyer]

Perhaps... perhaps not, how are we to know?
I asked you a specific question and I would like to hear a straight answer. Do you see evidence suggesting that I wanted [DR] JAM'ez to slow you down?

All that is clear is that James strategically positioned himself to slow the car behind you down.
I agree.

All I'm saying is if James hadn't of rejoined perhaps your result might have been very different.
Perhaps and perhaps not. For the record once again, I did not request or want such assistance from my team mate. We can drag chat logs and what-ifs into this, but I'm fine with this going to the judges as I had nothing to do with his decisions.

[[DUcK]]

Come on guys! KEEP ARGUING!!! IT'S F***ING FUN TO WATCH WOOOOHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
p.s i'm not kidding :x

[jamesrowe]

Right, well I came back after technical faults and rejoined! I thought this was ok due to a 1st driver did it the previous round!...

Spankmeyer and I had no contact what so ever in any bott rounds, I did not try to help or slow anyone down. Yes I pitted because I wanted to play around with my set in F12 because I was in no race, I could not drive fast as I had little control with a joystick compaired to being use to a wheel.

Ok maybe I did give spanky a wider gap then others, its only to be expected as he is in my team. But I fairly let everyone past, at one stage I almost accidentally took Fizzy out as my joystick decided to go very sensitive as it does. I ended up having to spin it onto the grass to make sure I did not hit him!

Edit: I was slow out of the pits to let a string of traffic past, seeing a gap to go for I went. Im not going to sit near'ish to the racing line like that for to long. Only letting it easier for them and myself.

My throttle was all a bit heywire, the joystick was unressponsive and damn right dangerous! And as such, its in a bin bag waiting for the dust bin men to remove it :D

I did stop for a lap or 2 as the phone rang, it was about business and as there was no reason to continue and ignore the call, so I decided to stop for a few minutes and rush the call!!!

Do what you want with my very low 13th, but I had nothing todo with spankmeyer's 4th! Did not talk or think about him much in the race, only thing I was thinking about was getting out of the way of every driver safely with my dodgy joystick.

Sorry if I held you or anyone else up Duvel, was not ment to be :(. I'm somewhat sad now to think I might have made the result different in anyway! :(

[tristancliffe]

Right, well I came back after technical faults and rejoined! I thought this was ok due to a 1st driver did it the previous round!...Why bother - points or respect were not going to come your way
Spankmeyer and I had no contact what so ever in any bott rounds, I did not try to help or slow anyone down. Yes I pitted because I wanted to play around with my set in F12 because I was in no race, I could not drive fast as I had little control with a joystick compaired to being use to a wheel. If your joystick was so bad then why did you not do the decent thing and leave completely? The race would have been fine - no, it would have been BETTER, had you not been there.
Ok maybe I did give spanky a wider gap then others, its only to be expected as he is in my team. But I fairly let everyone past, at one stage I almost accidentally took Fizzy out as my joystick decided to go very sensitive as it does. I ended up having to spin it onto the grass to make sure I did not hit him!It's quite alright to give your team mate a bit of extra room, but the difference was too startling to be a coincidence. Now, I know Spanky - he's been around a long time - and I have no doubt that he wasn't part of this - he was driving his race in a skillful manner that should make DR proud. James is a disgrace to his team, and has never at any point shown the slightest bit of driving talent. I am glad someone has officially complained against him, as his taking part was negative to the race and the BOTT series.
Edit: I was slow out of the pits to let a string of traffic past, seeing a gap to go for I went. Im not going to sit near'ish to the racing line like that for to long. Only letting it easier for them and myself.You DO know what a motor race is, don't you?

My throttle was all a bit heywire, the joystick was unressponsive and damn right dangerous! And as such, its in a bin bag waiting for the dust bin men to remove it :DGet rid of that smiley at the end, you ignorant anus. If it was dangerous and unresponsive (which you surely knew beforehand) then WHY did you take part. Sitting there sucking a lemon (AKA the squashy thing that passes for a brain in your head) would have been a better contribution to BOTT.
I did stop for a lap or 2 as the phone rang, it was about business and as there was no reason to continue and ignore the call, so I decided to stop for a few minutes and rush the call!!!I feel your heart is not in driving in leagues. If you are in a league you race. If you would rather speak to your mother about how mean some people were to you at school today then don't enter leagues - simple!
Do what you want with my very low 13th, but I had nothing todo with spankmeyer's 4th! Did not talk or think about him much in the race, only thing I was thinking about was getting out of the way of every driver safely with my dodgy joystick.I can't comment if Spanky deserved his 4th or not, but I doubt he was involved in the blatent holding up of other people. My vote would go to leaving Spanky out of any penalties, and simply treble James' penalities - life time ban of LFS, full wrecker barricade membership, and having everyone poke fun at his lack of skill (just for the record, I don't mind if you are slower or worse than James - but at least you don't enter leagues and take people out)
Sorry if I held you or anyone else up Duvel, was not ment to be :(. I'm somewhat sad now to think I might have made the result different in anyway! :(You aren't sad in the slightest. If you were really apologetic you would write some eloquent apology and not need to use tacky smilies. And you'd never enter leagues again.

[jamesrowe]

Why bother - points or respect were not going to come your way
If your joystick was so bad then why did you not do the decent thing and leave completely? The race would have been fine - no, it would have been BETTER, had you not been there.
It's quite alright to give your team mate a bit of extra room, but the difference was too startling to be a coincidence. Now, I know Spanky - he's been around a long time - and I have no doubt that he wasn't part of this - he was driving his race in a skillful manner that should make DR proud. James is a disgrace to his team, and has never at any point shown the slightest bit of driving talent. I am glad someone has officially complained against him, as his taking part was negative to the race and the BOTT series.
You DO know what a motor race is, don't you?

Get rid of that smiley at the end, you ignorant anus. If it was dangerous and unresponsive (which you surely knew beforehand) then WHY did you take part. Sitting there sucking a lemon (AKA the squashy thing that passes for a brain in your head) would have been a better contribution to BOTT.
I feel your heart is not in driving in leagues. If you are in a league you race. If you would rather speak to your mother about how mean some people were to you at school today then don't enter leagues - simple!
I can't comment if Spanky deserved his 4th or not, but I doubt he was involved in the blatent holding up of other people. My vote would go to leaving Spanky out of any penalties, and simply treble James' penalities - life time ban of LFS, full wrecker barricade membership, and having everyone poke fun at his lack of skill (just for the record, I don't mind if you are slower or worse than James - but at least you don't enter leagues and take people out)
You aren't sad in the slightest. If you were really apologetic you would write some eloquent apology and not need to use tacky smilies. And you'd never enter leagues again.
This is not an area for you to comment in, you have nothing todo with BOTT as far as I know, thus please leave me alone! I can not be bothered to waste my time reading your comments!

Duvel: If you are really that bothered even though I attempted to get out of your way on all occations, you can have my 16 or so points! If that makes you feel better, alot more then the points difference from 5th to 4th! Its your call, im not going to groval anymore... Said sorry and reported my side.

[Kalev EST]

Why bother - points or respect were not going to come your wayDon´t know about respect but points were coming to his way because you can rejoin in this league and still get points. ;)

[jamesrowe]

Don´t know about respect but points were coming to his way because you can rejoin in this league and still get points. ;)
Not if Mister Duvel and Elite feel so strong about it, I dont mind giving the little points to them:shrug:

[DuVeL]

I'm already a bit tempered down in the meanwhile ...

My point is/was a serious sanction against JAM'ez (no, you won't talk your way out of this by testing-, phone- or other crappy evasions).

It's up to the referees to decide this matter, but I'm surely not demanding that Spankmeyer will lose his 4th place, nor any sort of team ban.

Yes I was gaining space on Spankmeyer, but there is no way of telling if I would have reached him without being JAMez'-ed.
Even if I should be able to reach him, there is no way of telling I could have passed him. I had a proper battle against him last race, so I cannot see why it would be different this time.

Apart from the possible sanction / degree of sanction, I can only hope that team 'Dynamic Racing' will draw its conclusion. Having people in your team like the one described above won't do you much good.

Note to the referees: I'm not interested in the fact that [DR] loses points or [Elite] gains points. Since the league is almost over, our team is mainly battling against "1st Racing" for second place, so it wouldn't make much of a difference.
What would make a difference though, is the removal of external factors that unpleasantly interfere with our nice and clean battle against "1st Racing" and other teams.

[jamesrowe]

I'm already a bit tempered down in the meanwhile ...

My point is/was a serious sanction against JAM'ez (no, you won't talk your way out of this by testing-, phone- or other crappy evasions).

It's up to the referees to decide this matter, but I'm surely not demanding that Spankmeyer will lose his 4th place, nor any sort of team ban.

Yes I was gaining space on Spankmeyer, but there is no way of telling if I would have reached him without being JAMez'-ed.
Even if I should be able to reach him, there is no way of telling I could have passed him. I had a proper battle against him last race, so I cannot see why it would be different this time.

Apart from the possible sanction / degree of sanction, I can only hope that team 'Dynamic Racing' will draw its conclusion. Having people in your team like the one described above won't do you much good.

Note to the referees: I'm not interested in the fact that [DR] loses points or [Elite] gains points. Since the league is almost over, our team is mainly battling against "1st Racing" for second place, so it wouldn't make much of a difference.
What would make a difference though, is the removal of external factors that unpleasantly interfere with our nice and clean battle against "1st Racing" and other teams.
Right well lets leave it to the panel as such, I tried my best and as the state of Blue Flags are, you should make the move to pass! If it was say F1 or any other motor racing, watch them trying to pass a back marker. It can take half a lap or more! You was behind me a few times for a couple of corners, then I let you pass safely by pulling right over!

But lets stop being childish and bickering, Fusion's decision as such.

[DuVeL]

... If it was say F1 or any other motor racing, watch them trying to pass a back marker. It can take half a lap or more! You was behind me a few times for a couple of corners, then I let you pass safely by pulling right over! ...

Ohh, trying the F1 comparison ? I never saw Kartikeyan waiting behind the corner to pester the drivers who are 27 laps in front of him.
It's not a discussion about human mistakes or misinterpretations here, it's about deliberately interfering ... being 100% aware of what you're doing.

And don't you 'Mister' me, something tells me that you're not in the position to mumble even more crap.

Apart from the possible sanction / degree of sanction, I can only hope that team 'Dynamic Racing' will draw its conclusion. Having people in your team like the one described above won't do you much good.

Woops: I just saw the "[DR]JAM'ez (leader)"-tag

[r4ptor]

If it was F1, you wouldn't be allowed to continiue driving at all - and most likely be banned from the entire season with driving and "commitment" like that.

[Jakg]

James, you were 20-odd laps down, there was NO reason for you to race, you couldn't get an extra place, so why not just move over and make it a little easier?

[jamesrowe]

Right, I leave it entirely up to Josh and whom ever runs BOTT. I'm not going to continue to participate in this ridiculous arguement any longer.

Edit: @Jack as I just noticed his comment, I continued to race as alowed in the limited BOTT rules. I did make it pretty easy for every one in my eyes, even Duvel. I tried to get out of the way, but in the fast corner bits where it would be dangerous to slow down and let pass I continued, until it opened up into a straight and then I let him past. I had every one lap me about 3 times while I was on track, including Spankmeyer.

[tristancliffe]

It is only ridiculous because you are of the opinion that you did almost nothing wrong.

Watch the replay mate, and see just how appalling your driving is.

I can only hope the rest of your team see sense and kick you out of DR (or form their own team), because you are a disgrace.

[Jakg]

Edit: @Jack as I just noticed his comment, I continued to race as alowed in the limited BOTT rules. I did make it pretty easy for every one in my eyes, even Duvel. I tried to get out of the way, but in the fast corner bits where it would be dangerous to slow down and let pass I continued, until it opened up into a straight and then I let him past. I had every one lap me about 3 times while I was on track, including Spankmeyer.
ive watched the replay - i think you'd better face facts, there is NO way you made it easy for Duvel

[Shotglass]

+1 for everything trist and jack said

james do you honestly believe anyone will buy that its a pure coincidence that you pulled out right in front of spany and duvel each and every time and that duvel was the only driver who in this entire race blue flagged you at a time where it was hard to let him past ?
the funniest thing is that the point where you most blatantly hold him up is after not letting him past on the first straight after the t1 complex where just a few laps earlier you staid off the throttle for several seconds to let a whole bunch of other drivers past (and did the same thing for spanky)

[jamesrowe]

It is only ridiculous because you are of the opinion that you did almost nothing wrong.

Watch the replay mate, and see just how appalling your driving is.

I can only hope the rest of your team see sense and kick you out of DR (or form their own team), because you are a disgrace.
That is what you would love, to see me gone and make anything that I am to do with fail! Get a different hobby then harrasing me Tristan.

End of discussion from me, over and out.

[Greboth]

I am not picking one side or the other, i may be a co leader of DR but doesn't change what is right or wrong. I havn't got time at the minute to watch the replay but i will say a complaint has been put forward let fusion guys (or whoever acts as race marshal/steward) to decide what happened and what will happen in the future so there is no point in discussing it. Before i get flamed this goes out to everyone including james.
I would of been racing if my wheel hadn't stopped working (blew the fuse but didn't think to check it :shy:) but i was msn as there was no discussion between anyone afaik concerning the race so if james was doing anything then he was doing it alone by his choice.
I will also add that yes bott is a team event and all the drivers within a team act as one but if the ruling is against james then i hope it is seen as a ruling against james and not about DR.

[jamesrowe]

I decided to check the replay for myself, often accusations of such tactics are down to paranoia... but this, my god. You've really out done yourself this time James.

I agree with all the sentiments so far, find something else to do in your spare time James. Your tactics were disgraceful whether they involved planning with your teammates or not. Nothing excuses what you were doing, repeatedly. Not a faulty joystick, not something in your eye or whatever you want to come up with next, nothing.

I think if DR want to maintain an ounce of respect from the LFS community they would do the right thing and kick James out of the team. Honestly, why would anyone keep someone who drives like this? I know if he was in my team he would be gone in a shot.

EDIT: And I couldn't help but feel the lyrics to this song sound like they were written about you James!
http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/introjs.htm?/~acsa/songfile/GREATPRE.HTM (http://www3.clearlight.com/%7Eacsa/introjs.htm?/%7Eacsa/songfile/GREATPRE.HTM)

Well because of all this I have asked on our own forums privately if they would still want me, it was rather one sided decision 100% from them!
At least I am doing something right for them all to want me...

Edit: - Removed due to off topic and out of order. Sorry Jack (clownpaint)

[cmckowen]

Edit: At least I am not a racist idiot that goes around on MSN with all his racist comments like some Jack! (clownpaint)


Wow, of all the comments i thought you might of tried to use to redeem yourself that one really does it!

Congrats man! :thumb:

[jamesrowe]

I knew that would be your last ditch reply, I saw it coming a mile away!

I've heard such things too many times to care anymore, BNP supporter and proud. Maybe we could do a house swap and you could experience the diversity of out-dated religions and increased crime while I chill out in your lovely boat you own in the countryside.
Im quiet happy with being on my own boat in the peaceful countryside thanks, I know I started it so I'l finish, end of offtopic in here.

[tristancliffe]

Well because of all this I have asked on our own forums privately if they would still want me, it was rather one sided decision 100% from them!
At least I am doing something right for them all to want me...

Edit: At least I am not a racist idiot that goes around on MSN with all his racist comments like some Jack! (clownpaint)

You'll wake up in the morning and realise that they had actually voted 100% to get rid of you :p

Oh, and whilst Jack might have strong political views (which he backs up with thought out arguments), it doesn't make him a racist. I've had the pleasure of Jack's company on MSN many times, and it has never been racist, although it might have been non-positive to a non-Caucasian race - the two are very different.

Besides, dragging someones political beliefs into a discussion about how appalling you are at driving isn't really on. If you want to make a come-back at Jack at least try and criticise his driving - oh wait, you can't!

Edit: Each post you make contains a desperate bid to end the conversation - why don't you just admit how crap you are, accept the fact that we all know how crap you are, and stop trying to get the last word...

Edit2: ROFL at Spanky's reply below! :D

[spankmeyer]

Well because of all this I have asked on our own forums privately if they would still want me, it was rather one sided decision 100% from them!
At least I am doing something right for them all to want me...

I haven't been able to access the DR forums or talk privately about the subject with the rest of the team so I do not sign that statement.

EDIT: I guess it's like this in FIA cabinets too. :D I'm trying to get work done, but this soap opera is turning too tragic too fast.

[r4ptor]

Edit: At least I am not a racist idiot that goes around on MSN with all his racist comments like some Jack! (clownpaint)

If u weren't this lame, I would have liked you to join us clowns... You're funny guy, James :elefant:

[jamesrowe]

If u weren't this lame, I would have liked you to join us clowns... You're funny guy, James :elefant:
I know. Sorry Jack, that was below the belt :(, sad thing is I'm telling the truth about the incidents with phone calls etc :(

[axus]

I know. Sorry Jack, that was below the belt :(, sad thing is I'm telling the truth about the incidents with phone calls etc :(

I think the real issue is not your crap driving but lack of respect for other teams and competitors. When you're in a league race, your phone should be off, not so that you don't get distracted but out of respect for the other competitors. You shouldn't be driving in a league race with a broken joystick, for the same reason. And as Tristan said, the :('s won't fix it either.

That's what people are getting at.

[r4ptor]

I was being sarcastic.. We've kicked members for much less, so don't get ur hopes up too high.

I'm puzzled about why you joined 40 mins after the disconnect.. truth or not and purposely getting in DuVels way or not.. you were far from prepped for the race + different controller than you are used to.

Sorry m8, but that to me seems like you have total lack of respect for the other drivers, league organizer's as well as your own team.

[mikey_G]

What a lovely thread, looks like Dynamic Racing, and especially JAM'ez, still bring their A game to the track.
You really have to reconsider what racing really is JAM'ez, because I've lost the count of how many times (at least 2 times on ConeDodgers) this happened to you...

[Greboth]

I'm puzzled about why you joined 40 mins after the disconnect.. truth or not and purposely getting in DuVels way or not.. you were far from prepped for the race + different controller than you are used to.

Its good to see people read my post :razz: I wasn't going to post here due to this being just a flame war but I am. I have known james since MG which is about a year ago and have raced him since then, through my time in mg, also while in cP and now in DR. I will say this, and this is in no way a defence of what happened, but i know he does have respect for other racers. It was more as r4ptor said that he wasn't prepped and using a different controller to normal. You could sum this up as no respect for other racers but it isn't that because i know he does. As i have said i was due to be racing had it not been my n00b ass not getting my wheel working again. I know from talking to him on msn before the race he started the race to be the second driver, with the hope of competing. I don't know why he left but i do know that he re joined and saw that from people d/c points were on offer which he got (well maybe we shall await the verdict.) I will probably get flamed for this but i am not saying it is right or wrong.
"Sorry" will not change anything but i do apologise for the actions taken under the Dynamic Racing name. Note - I am not and will not apologise for james, that is his decision, i am apologising from a team perspective.

Now this flaming could go on and on as im sure there are many people who dont like other on this forum. I am sure many people don't like me but i wouldn't get into personal insults about it. This was a discussion about the race and it has turned into a flame war of forum members against james and james against forum members. The incidents described are for the steward to decide does it really matter what people think. By this i mean in a personal way.

[jamesrowe]

Its good to see people read my post :razz: I wasn't going to post here due to this being just a flame war but I am. I have known james since MG which is about a year ago and have raced him since then, through my time in mg, also while in cP and now in DR. I will say this, and this is in no way a defence of what happened, but i know he does have respect for other racers. It was more as r4ptor said that he wasn't prepped and using a different controller to normal. You could sum this up as no respect for other racers but it isn't that because i know he does. As i have said i was due to be racing had it not been my n00b ass not getting my wheel working again. I know from talking to him on msn before the race he started the race to be the second driver, with the hope of competing. I don't know why he left but i do know that he re joined and saw that from people d/c points were on offer which he got (well maybe we shall await the verdict.) I will probably get flamed for this but i am not saying it is right or wrong.
"Sorry" will not change anything but i do apologise for the actions taken under the Dynamic Racing name. Note - I am not and will not apologise for james, that is his decision, i am apologising from a team perspective.

Now this flaming could go on and on as im sure there are many people who dont like other on this forum. I am sure many people don't like me but i wouldn't get into personal insults about it. This was a discussion about the race and it has turned into a flame war of forum members against james and james against forum members. The incidents described are for the steward to decide does it really matter what people think. By this i mean in a personal way.
That pretty much sums it well, I respect everyone here! Even Tristan at the end of the day, even though every turn I make he is there to pounce :razz:

I was far from ready in that race, just wanted to come last and get a few points. I kept spinning as there was little control with the controller, and I have said sorry many times already. Once again very sorry to Duvel, and anyone else I affected in the race! I was a complete and utter noob, only wanted to finish.
My phone should have been off, I would not have taken the call if it was not important! Sadly it was, I thought about pitting or spectating at the time, but the road seemed ok where I "parked".

Last time I will say it as it will keep on falling onto death ears, I'm extremely sorry for anyone that I affected in the race, especially Duvel. It was not ment to turn out like this.

[tomylee]

The sad thing off all is that somebody comes around and abuses a driver that he can't drive, he is a noob and all the jugement based on one race. This is just such a weak personality but unfortunately there are many like this in LFS.

Maybe next time you have just a private talk with a driver about certain stuff to tell him your viewpoint. Not everything has to go public and many things can get out of the way with a peronal chat. It's just better for the atmosphere in LFS.

[Bawbag]

Maybe he has had respect for other racers in the past, but seriously, how can you say that people are wrong in saying that he has none? I mean come on, look at this race, if he had any 'respect' at all he would just have parked in the pitlane or spectated untill the end after the first incident he had as he surely realised he couldn't handle the combo at all.

I would expect such in demo or in a CC server (Where I beleive most of his 'skills' came from) but in a league race (Especcially when representing only your team).....:( pretty much sums it up.

As for the penalty, I don't think it really matters if you take Spankys points away or not, it will affect the whole team anyway. Pretty funny to read though, James says he only rejoined to get his points, yet later on he says he doesn't care if they're taken away from him. :really:

Seriously James, I think you should to as you say and stop posting as you've said it numerous times in this thread and in the pas, but you never stop posting, the hole only gets deeper. :D

[Davo]

The sad thing off all is that somebody comes around and abuses a driver that he can't drive, he is a noob and all the jugement based on one race. This is just such a weak personality but unfortunately there are many like this in LFS.

Maybe next time you have just a private talk with a driver about certain stuff to tell him your viewpoint. Not everything has to go public and many things can get out of the way with a peronal chat. It's just better for the atmosphere in LFS.
Well it's only Tristan that has a personal vendetta against James and likes to make it public at every chance he can to show how big he is. He wouldn't even have posted if he didn't have anything to rant about.

[duke_toaster]

Ladies, calm down.

We all know that Mr Rowe has previous for controversy (partly reputedly caused by technical faliures) and it seems like he is living up to this. I am not going to comment about the actual racing until I have watched it from the positions of Mr Rowe and the other drivers concerned

The rules do NOT say anything about disconnections and reconnections. It's the organisers call really there.

Clownpaint's politics aren't bringing BOTT in to disrepute - if it were to be doing so, it should be discussed here. But it's not bringing BOTT in to disrepute.

I know I am not involved in BOTT and I might be considered nosey. But I feel it's about time that a neutral is needed to - at least try to - mediate/arbitrate here.

[tristancliffe]

Yup, probably wouldn't have posted if it wasn't him...

But my 'judgement' is based on more than one race ;)

And I don't have problems with James in any other respect - it's only league races where he drives like this that I have a 'problem' with him, or when he advises people on driving or racecraft. I'm always very careful to keep 'vendettas' to one side, like with Nuse and the Rice the other day - I still like Nuse, I still love his work, but I didn't agree with him on post deletion or rice; doesn't mean I've changed my opinion about the rest of him.

[duke_toaster]

Yup, probably wouldn't have posted if it wasn't him...

But my 'judgement' is based on more than one race ;)

Tristan, TBH I would not call you exactly neutral. You are involved - to a signifcant extent - with an organisation which (rather questionably in my opinion after watching the replay) has banned Mr Rowe for an entire calendar year for something that is rather - how shall I phrase it - disputable.

I do grant you that your attacks on Mr Rowe have been substantially weaker than those done by particular parties.

[Shotglass]

The sad thing off all is that somebody comes around and abuses a driver that he can't drive, he is a noob and all the jugement based on one race.

this is just not true
he showed an even worse performance in the fe rx green race of stcc
late last year he showed an equaly bad performance on the stcc public server
in the bott lx 6 race he took out 2 other drivers
in the bott gtr race he took out a whole bunch of drivers as well

and every single time he showed no repect for the drivers around him or for racing conduct rules concerning rejoining the track, not driving a severly damaged car, significant overlap and basically everthing else thats in the book

Maybe he has had respect for other racers in the past

you havent watched the stcc race 2 broadcast yet have you ?

this race showed an utter disrepect from james to the other drivers, the league and not to forget his entire team

[duke_toaster]

"Hello, I've come to calm things down around here. On a side note, I hate that blokes politics".

Please, PM me in future if you wish to make a statement on the subject. I very much doubt anyone else cares about your opinion on the political party I support.

I unreservedly apologise for bringing my personal opinions in to this matter - but they are still my opinions (which will be expressed through the correct channels in future).

this is just not true
he showed an even worse performance in the fe rx green race of stcc

Not much of "Rowegate" was shown in the broadcast. I - personally - think that a DQ was justified - but not a year ban. Think of the film Blackball with that 15 year ban for writing tosser on a scorecard - a ban of that length was not needed.

[Shotglass]

Not much of "Rowegate" was shown in the broadcast. I - personally - think that a DQ was justified - but not a year ban.

i did watch the replay of the race from start to finish from his perspective and i think the ban was completely appropriate
especially after he had the nerve to ask why becky asked him to return to the pits with his completely wrecked car

nice one with the name for that incident btw

[Jakg]

Tristan, TBH I would not call you exactly neutral. You are involved - to a signifcant extent - with an organisation which (rather questionably in my opinion after watching the replay) has banned Mr Rowe for an entire calendar year for something that is rather - how shall I phrase it - disputable.WHAT?! Without bringing this back up again, there were 2x more drivers wanting to be in the STCC than places, when someone drives THAT badly, it makes a mockery of the "hardcore professional simulation". he may not have actively wrecked people that badly, but his continued lack of respect and contact was just too much.

[Becky Rose]

I dont wish to become involved in this but there appears to be a discussion of Mr J. Rowe's entry and subsequent disqualification from an STCC league race, namely round 2 of the 2006-2007 season, as a consequence of some incident in this league.

The STCC disqualification was based on breaches of series regulations, and he was banned for holding an "STCC EVENT" licence for 1 year. He was not banned from the STCC servers on the basis of his league race performance, he just isn't able to compete in STCC events until his penalty period expires.

The particular nature of his disqualification was not just for his driving standard, but also for breaches of championship and series regulations. Whilst it is true that "Rowegate" spilled over onto the LFS forums, it was not in any way initiated by STCC staff.

Unfortunately since the water calmed Tristan and James do not appear to see eye to eye.

I think I am also right in saying that since he was banned from STCC events the driver in question was barred from public STCC servers on account of a wrecker barricade replay. Although i'm not 100% on this. We did do a barricade appeasement at Xmas and i'm not sure which side of it the offence was anyway.

I will now let you back to your BOTT discussion. I'm sorry for correcting these issues and hope that James is able to find a place in LFS. It just wont be in STCC league events.

[duke_toaster]

WHAT?! Without bringing this back up again, there were 2x more drivers wanting to be in the STCC than places

And about that in MOE - and their feeder league is oversubscribed as well. A high number of entries is not a reason to introduce a disproportionate ban. The ban was for the incident, not the fallout. They are separate - definately related, but separate. I - personally - would have considered the ban more proportionate for bringing the sport in to disrepute from all the moaning, whining, bitching and threats of mum Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo-ing afterwards NOT the actual on track incident.

I think I am also right in saying that since he was banned from STCC events the driver in question was barred from public STCC servers on account of a wrecker barricade replay. Although i'm not 100% on this. We did do a barricade appeasement at Xmas and i'm not sure which side of it the offence was anyway.

Becky, you know as well as I do that there have been a number of malicious/sham/stupid Wrecker Barricade submissions.

OK then, I'm in the view of some here as welcome as a fart in a space suit so I'll get my coat and leave this thread.

[jamesrowe]

Well I did say I would not post here again, but I could not resist looking at my poor driving as replay.

I will admit with all honesty that my driving was awful, you can see that by the jurky actions that its a bad joystick. I was still getting use to it also.

Every driver I saw in my mirrors come up and I saw a blue flag as you may have noticed I let past, at times I went onto the grass!

I watched closely when DR Spankymeyer caught me up first time, I let him past and duvel fine!

The other times were also all fine, if you notice in the race that when others caught a back marker, it took half a lap to a full lap to pass at times!

The only time I will confess to pure idiotic ability and sense was my lap 10, or about lap 42/43 for spankmeyer and Duvel. I let Spankmeyer past with ease and sped up a lot, I should have waited back and let Duvel through but I totally forgot about him being around, only thinking to not take out my team mate! I had him behind me in the fast twisty bits in mid lap, I remember now thinking its not wise at all to slow up here! It might cause an accident and that would have been a lot worse!

As soon as that was all over I ran wide exiting a corner letting Duvel through, to be really honest with you all, I did not hold him up on perpose.

Oh and I rememberd my waiting on call, when i rejoined I was quiet away ahead from the battling trio, if I had really intended to slow duvel up I would have not attempted to continue at my pace around that lap would I?

I also had to pit at least once to qualify the result under the rules, when I pitted out from first pit I let a stream of traffic past. Sped up and that was when them two were passing, came out just behind spanky, when the corners were over I let the rest pass! I hardly held anyone up in the race :(

Well that is my last opinion, I wanted to share that after watching the replay guys. My view on it, read it if you like:shrug:. Sorry if I did hold anyone up :(

[Becky Rose]

Becky, you know as well as I do that there have been a number of malicious/sham/stupid Wrecker Barricade submissions.
They are reviewed by humans, and are not automatic bans. However as I understand it the incident in question (driving around an occupied race server with the pit limiter on alongside a team mate [edit: +1 other] doing the same thing, thus blocking the track) was not actually barricaded, recalling the details better now (after a quick discussion to remind my ailing brain) it was sent to my series sponsors in private who in turn requested I ban both drivers from the servers.

[Davo]

Nice to finally see some naming and shaming.

[Bawbag]

James if you were running the race from start to finish then yes a few corners of holding some drivers up would be fine, but up wwere nowhere in the race and should have not held up other cars 1 inch as your part in this race was gone.

BTW, James AFAIK in the Aston Grand Touring race you were using a wheel then and you took me out, I know I can't talk very much as I had an incident to, but one which myself and Norbi both put our hands up and admitted to the mistakes. I know you had a flat tyre, but when the leader was passing you were off the racing line but moved towards him but he got through, then you lost control infront of me and sent me into the wall. Total carelessness if you ask me as you had the flat tyre for a whole lap, so please, the joystick exuse is pointless as the standard of driving hasn't changed, it's just that your actions have got worse.

Come on now and own up to your mistakes instead of passing it onto your joystick, your fooling nobody and the more posts you make the deeper the hole gets.

[SamH]

I - personally - would have considered the ban more proportionate for bringing the sport in to disrepute from all the moaning, whining, bitching and threats of mum Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo-ing afterwards NOT the actual on track incident.
If memory serves me correctly, and I rather think it does, James received an initial one or two race ban based on his behaviour in the feature race, and following stewarding also for the heat races where he featured quite a bit. However, the year-long ban from STCC events was for breaching STCC codes of conduct on the forums, bringing - as you say - the sport into disrepute.

The rules and expectations set out by the STCC were clear from the start, and participants were required to read, understand and agree to them.

James' one-year ban from STCC events was entirely driven by HIM. The STCC simply enforced the rules it had set out from the very start. Period. If you disagree, I'm afraid that's completely irrelevent. If you think Becky should bend the rules for James, then I personally think you need to get back in your tree.
Becky, you know as well as I do that there have been a number of malicious/sham/stupid Wrecker Barricade submissions.
The Barricaders will all attest that I've personally drawn their attention to this question, and I'm currently doing house-keeping on the Barricade reports. So far, however, I'm VERY satisfied that the vast majority of reports - and I do mean VAST majority - are well qualified with clear supporting evidence in the form of an MPR, and sometimes multiple MPRs. Moreover, the barricade doesn't advocate mass banning. It advocates servers giving individual attention to reports, and acting on them accordingly. The Barricade remains a useful informational support tool for server admins, exactly as it was designed to be.

However, this is all in fact irrelevent. Despite the previous paragraph, I hope nobody thinks I'm finding I have to justify the Barricade. I'm absolutely confident that it does that for itself. I am happy to report that James isn't listed on the Barricade.

However, for an entirely separate incident on a public server, James (along with two other drivers) was banned from UKCT hardware. This included the STCC servers. This matter is internal to UKCT, but it's the reason Becky was mistakenly under the impression, in her post above, that James was Wrecker Barricaded. It's no secret that the same incident is the reason Jakg decided he could no longer be a member of MG.

[SamH]

Nice to finally see some naming and shaming.
My understanding, and I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but this forum (the BOTT forum) is an integral part of the league's workings. This is as I understand it, anyway. I would appreciate someone from BOTT correcting me if this is not so.

If I am correct, then what you describe as naming and shaming is in fact a necessary part of the process of post-race stewarding.. filing complaints against other drivers (per duvel's starting post) and hammering out conclusions.

This forum is also primarily moderated by the BOTT league organizers, and only on a secondary basis by LFS Forum moderators. Independence/autonomy for leagues is important.

[PaulC2K]

Im just wizzing through to watch it a 2nd time, damn not being able to jump to a point in time or rewind grrrrr.


When rejoining and then stop-starting for whatever reasons, the rules say your fine to get straight in and race however you have to accept that your way behind everyone and the only people you can hope to beat are future disconnectors and the likes. If things like hardware made it really bad to drive then you shouldnt have taken part, you'd have been much better sitting this one out and just accepting it and allowing everyone else the chance to have a clean fair fight on the track. You'd expect the same from others, and in a controlled & organised environment you really need to show more respect to the other people on the track, a mobile chicane can be a real f*cker to race with because you dont know what the other person is going to do. It causes problems.
If you had phonecalls you HAD to answer, spectate.

Ultimately YOU are responsible for the car your driving, and through whatever reason their are problems they are your doing. If you have distractions, irratic frames, a bad ping, or a sh*t controller... those are things you have to accept responsibility for, as they arent at the control of anyone else.
The correct thing to do was accept it was never going to be your day and just sat it out from spectator or something, attempting to take part while risking ruining the race and enjoyment of it for everyone else so you could pick up scraps points was never going to be a popular move.


With that said though, ignoring the fact that i dont think you should have been out on the track in the first place or that you were nothing more than a completely unpredictable moving hazard... there isnt quite the evil scheming on display that the thread seems to be making out there is.
I was kinda expecting some noticeable cases of team tactics which schumi would hold his hand up and say he'd never thought to do such a thing, then pat James on the back for it, but tbh its quite the let-down :p

The laptimes were consistant (consistantly bad) but mistakes made every lap, crawling through obviously tricky corners were done lap in lap out, there wasnt anything that stood out that was being done from 1 lap to another, he was shit through T1, T2, T3, T4...... and for the most part everyone gets past the crawling car without any issues, DuVeL included.

First incident - Lap 7/36
Blue flag comes on last banked corner, plenty of distance behind to carry on, same sh*t speed through the chicane and stayed on usual line, stayed tight and moved right over off the power after the hairpin.
There wasnt any weaving, changing of racing line, and no slower speeds than any other lap.
My verdict - Bad luck, wrong place at the wrong time, no sign of intent there.
Similar thing happened to one of the 1st guys towards the end.

Second incident - Lap 9/40
Blue flag appeared over race S/F line, moved off racing line and braked early enough.
Nothing to report.

Third incident - Lap 10/42
Particularly slow out of 1st sector hairpin, allowed Spankypants through and picked up speed 1/4 down the straight. Plenty of time with blue flag up, very little attempt to come off the throttle, move off the racing line or as mentioned 'drive onto the grass for some people' in this particular case.
Went from just before 1st split to just before 2nd split making zero attempt to move over and let the car through.
DuVeL lost about 1 - 1.5sec in 1 sector alone.
My verdict - Either A) 100% intentional blocking of DuVeL, B) Complete disrespect to another leading driver, C) All the above.
I vote C.


I have nothing against James, Spankypants or DR, and nothing 'for' DuVeL, there are incidents where something has been made of nothing, but then there is also pretty damning proof that he had no intention of moving over to let DuVeL past. There was ample passing time, and this was shown for everyone else at the first viable opportunity or as claimed 'driving off the track and onto the grass' and yet this 'generosity' was never considered for a 30 second strip of track. Places where James previously moved over to allow people through wasnt done, instead the racing line at race pace was the call.


James, i think your really wasting your time here, you cannot defend your actions here, you shouldnt have been on the track in the first place with the conditions you had, and not content with being a mobile hazard for everyone (95% un-intentionally, 5% intentionally) and then you decide to hold someone up for 1/3 of the lap. You cant defend letting everyone by the moment you realise they're there, and then give the 'F1 give you X warnings/X distance' excuse, because thats clearly you applying 1 rule for 95% of the drivers and a seperate one for the guy that just happens to be on the tail of your teammate.

People would understand if it was 1 issue, but you took controller issues, team tactics/driver blocking and a disrespect for everyone else on the track, and for some reason expect people to be understanding. 1 problem, fair enough, 2 and your pushing your luck, but start doing everything you can to ruin races and you'll find very little understanding or sympathy for your actions. Its clear for me to analyse what you had little control over and what you had intent for, most of it was accidental cases of being a major pain in the butt for everyone, but the last incident you knew exactly what you were doing. Was that a kicking out offense, not really, but combined with everything else you did its completely undefendable.

[PwrSlave]

Hold ur pants; this post is about to get deleted!!!

arrrgh:scratchch

[PwrSlave]

Maybe best if you just leave it because if that hole get's any deeper you will be meeting up with Davo.

Now please, as a TeamXFR memeber, i do not appreciate this kind of disshonoring. It might be a joke, but not a nice one. So just let it be please.

[BurnOut69]

Easy Power, I think sidi meant rowe is going to dig himself such a big hole he is gonna end in Australia.

didnt you sidi?

[tomylee]

what so ever. It's all about behavior on track, it's certainly missing off track (forum) for some........

[Bawbag]

I think he thought you were saying that James would be digging a hole as Davo has done, although Davo hasn't. :razz:

I'm surprised this hasn't been deleted allready, usually they delete everything that has to do with anything unless it has something to do with them. :)

[PwrSlave]

Well dishonoring in a way i though you were putting us and DR and whaeva teams James was in lately in same basket. Nothing more. And im glad it was a joke:D.

And yea, i am wonderig as well, why this wasnt deleted allready, beeing a some sort of commoness around here anyway.

[Davo]

hehe at first I thought what hole? but then burnout explained it to me. Never heard the expression since I live down here :)

I also thought this thread would be long gone, I'm amazed it's still here. I agree complaints should be made in private so that 3rd parties don't get involved, that's when it turns ugly and quick.

[Arrow.]

and now you all know why i have to delete threads...

[lococost]

OK, lets peel the :nana:and get to the core.
Elite has suffered huge moral damage, Duvel is back on the Duvel, I'm going loco, so now our team is bearly holding together. There's only one way to solve this and one person who can... Arrow, I've calculated our damage using comprehensive computer modelling, and it seems the only way to repair the damage is to give us an extra 151 points. There I said it.:tilt:

:drink:and :drugs: