TEST Patch V3 (compatible with V)

[Scawen]

Hello Racers! Here is a new fully compatible Test Patch, V3.

The changes are all listed below in this post. Some of the changes (like the unlocking fixes which were in V2) are very important to some people. Many people will like some of the other improvements, even though there are no physics changes or any major multiplayer changes (which we do hope to release in the near future). In particular I think most people will be happy that we are now using DaveWS's sounds as the default sounds! Thank you Dave! :)

There are also various minor graphical improvements and several new InSim packets which will be helpful for people developing race management systems. Hosts will also be happy with the new option /adminslots which reserves connection slots for administrators.

LFS S2 has now diverged into two versions, a compatible version and a non-compatible version. As we continue to develop the incompatible version, I may copy some compatible changes into the compatible version so they get well tested and you get a few updates - and any important issues get fixed.

This thread is for feedback about the test patch. We need to know if you find any problems. Please do not make feature requests on this thread. Thank you! :)

Changes in TEST PATCH V3 :

Sound :

Included new default car sounds created by DaveWS

2D Display :

Improved small map car pointers
Improved needles and markers on clocks
Slightly more efficient 2d graphics drawing
Driver names draw distance no longer depends on FOV
Reduced width of lag meter (see more with ctrl+shift)
FIX : Wide screen autocross object selection buttons

Graphics :

Better FPS due to removal of unecessary LOD checks
Removed option "Wider screen increases LOD"
Removed option "All scenery at maximum LOD"

Interface :

ESC now closes live suspension view and sound editor
HOME key now works correctly in single player replays
ESC in game setup screen now exits to entry screen
SHIFT+O in main entry screen now goes to options
Join specific game - colours are removed from name
FIX : Next screen shot number was not saved on exit
FIX : Default sound selected when deleting a colour
FIX : Mouse cursor is now visible on window border

Views :

View options now visible before you go on track
Separate FOV stored for each car's custom view
Separate steer look option for each custom view
Improved options for follow view (chase cam)
View screen rearranged to make more sense

Misc :

Game setup screen stats : join - pit - spectate
New InSim packets (pit - penalty - take over - flags)
Admins can now use in-game : /laps /qual /hours /wind
New option /adminslots=X reserves slots for admins
FIX : MsgOutPack (MSO) now shows long user messages
FIX : Wrong delay "setup changes" after tyre change

Changes in TEST PATCH V2 :

Higher resolution image in mirrors
Selected setup is displayed in F12 menu
Another small reduction in pit-out glitch
Setups can be sorted by name as well as date
CTRL+S saves a screen shot to the shots folder
Same distortion regardless of the volume setting
No need to type edit_eng before using sound editor
New PACK button in sound editor to load a sound pack
Set log file name /log=name.xxx or /log to stop logging
Master port is now selectable in cfg.txt (29339 or 8080)
Any res as wide as or wider than 3:1 considered 3 screen
Various translation updates and improvements
New language : Slovenian / Slovenski

FIX : Unlocking issue with AMD Athlon 64
FIX : Unlocking should now work on Cedega
FIX : Small renaming bug when saving replays
FIX : Invisible warning when wrong way reversing

INSTALLATION :

1) Move or save the patch into your main LFS folder
2) Double click the patch to extract it to that folder
3) When you see "Confirm File Replace" select "Yes to All"
3) Now you can start LFS in the normal way

KNOWN ISSUES :

There is a SPR Out Of Sync (OOS) bug. I will try to fix that this evening.

So please do not use V3 for hotlaps. Multiplayer should be fine.

DOWNLOAD :

TEST PATCH V3 (1.5 MB) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_V3_TEST.exe

DEDICATED HOST V3 (1 MB - for hosting only) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_S2_DEDI_V3.zip

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Weee!! Thank you!

[Not Sure]

Hooray :d

[DaveWS]

I thought i'd add if any of you are using my sounds from this forum, if you want to use the new default sounds you have to click the "PACK" button in the shift-a editor, and type "default", as I have made some more updates to them. :thumb: Nice work too Scawen :D.

[axus]

Actually got quite a good boost in FPS on some places of the track :thumb: so good work there but watching a replay that was recorded with V2, it went out of sync. I've attached that (please ignore my shocking tyre warming abilities, it goes OOS just by the pit entry).

On another note, the new dials look a lot less arcadey than before, when we have faces for them it will make a huge difference to interiors. :)

EDIT: The OOS only happens on SPRs from what I've tried so far. Some get it sooner, some later.

[rediske]

Thanks, I love the sounds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :trampolin

keep up the good work!

[dav rc]

EDIT: The OOS only happens on SPRs from what I've tried so far. Some get it sooner, some later.

The same for me at the second try. Also my pc rebooted the first time while loading a spr. It saved a minidump. I can provide more details and the dmp file if needed.

[Scawen]

Actually got quite a good boost in FPS on some places of the track :thumb: so good work there but watching a replay that was recorded with V2, it went out of sync. I've attached that (please ignore my shocking tyre warming abilities, it goes OOS just by the pit entry).

On another note, the new dials look a lot less arcadey than before, when we have faces for them it will make a huge difference to interiors. :)

EDIT: The OOS only happens on SPRs from what I've tried so far. Some get it sooner, some later.Thanks.

I confirm that there is a SPR OOS and I can reproduce that on some hotlap replays.

I'll look this evening to see if I can get rid of that OOS without losing any of the new features. I can already get back to no OOS by rolling back one source code file - but I don't want to do that as it has important changes for the new InSim features. Anyway it should be possible to fix.

For now, please do not upload hotlaps made with V3.

[kompa]

In widescreen mode the names over cars disappear in a very short distance. They don't appear at all on the above view. They are OK in-car.

[Scoop]

Do i have to have patch V2 instaled?

[Jakg]

No

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

I thought i'd add if any of you are using my sounds from this forum, if you want to use the new default sounds you have to click the "PACK" button in the shift-a editor, and type "default", as I have made some more updates to them. :thumb: Nice work too Scawen :D.

So just to be clear; since I am already using your excellent pack from the other thread, I have to reload "default" when I install this patch tonight to use even better sounds that you've created?

edit: sorry I shouldn't be yapping in this thread.

[joen]

In particular I think most people will be happy that we are now using DaveWS's sounds as the default sounds! Thank you Dave! :)


I suspected you were going to do that :) Excellent decision!


Separate FOV stored for each car's custom view

:static:

Other stuff sounds great too ofcourse, thanks Scawen :thumb:

[Kada_CZ]

I run LFS in windowed mode, the mirror mode is set to "all". Now, In "shift-U" mode I see mirrors, as expected (the first attachement shows it). If I switch to another window (LFS is not minimized) and back to LFS, then mirrors get black (the second attachement). If I go to menu and back, then mirrors are back to normal.

I have Windows 98SE, nvidia GF 4200 Ti, driver 4.14.10.4523.

[DaveWS]

So just to be clear; since I am already using your excellent pack from the other thread, I have to reload "default" when I install this patch tonight to use even better sounds that you've created?

Yes. :thumb: Although there are also new gear whine and shift sounds, with no copyright issues, but you may prefer the old shift and gear whine sounds which I used before this. I shouldn't think so though. :shy:

[axus]

Scawen, have you maybe made an accidental change in physics? :shrug: Driving the LX4 feels very weird suddenly. Ie. I normally catch more than 90% of slides in it, and now I just can't catch most of them. :scratchch

[hrtburnout]

Thank you devs! Including DaveWS's sounds was a great idea! I'm going to play it right now :)

edit : @ Axus. Maybe you need to look for analogue steer smooth? Is there anything wrong with your wheel? :)

[axus]

All settings are fine... from what I can see, unless something changes to another value when the patch is applied? And I'm fairly sure I haven't forgotten how to drive overnight and I can't catch one in ten slides. :shrug: I'm not one to normally scream "OMG, the patch has physics changes" but
considering the circumstances...

[geeman1]

Scawen, have you maybe made an accidental change in physics? :shrug: Driving the LX4 feels very weird suddenly. Ie. I normally catch more than 90% of slides in it, and now I just can't catch most of them. :scratchch
My wild guess would be that the new sounds are causing that. You don't get the same audible cues so you miss the slides.

[axus]

My wild guess would be that the new sounds are causing that. You don't get the same audible cues so you miss the slides.

Been using Dave's sounds for a while, they're virtually the same.

Right now I would put £50 on it that there have been physics changes (possibly confined to single player). Any takers?

[Dennisjr13]

My wild guess would be that the new sounds are causing that. You don't get the same audible cues so you miss the slides.

I second that, maybe try Patch V and Patch V3 with no sound?

[tristancliffe]

Scawen, have you maybe made an accidental change in physics? :shrug: Driving the LX4 feels very weird suddenly. Ie. I normally catch more than 90% of slides in it, and now I just can't catch most of them. :scratchch

Haven't loaded LFS in nearly a month, but just tested the LX4 at SO Town (I think I'm about your skill level/speed), and all is fine and dandy for me - controlled slides and accurate apexs aplenty.

And the new sounds are even better than the last lot from Dave!

[hrtburnout]

I like the new credits screen, it looks a lot more professional.

[DaveWS]

For those interested:

List of sound changes since my last pack:

- New gearwhine (now without any copyright issues)
- New gear shifts, and different for road and race cars (now without any copyright issues)
- New RAC sound, based on real video of RAC
- Updated FOX
- Updated FZ5
- Increased throttle off volume
- Other small changes

[axus]

Hmmm, I'm not so sure anymore, it might have been using an older version of the setup for that track by mistake but letting the rear step out a lot feels weird. :shrug:

[ORION]

Names over cars doesn't work for the active car if you use the Bird cam.

When you switch to another car, and chose a camera attached to this car, you can't see the name over it (tested only online atm). The names over the cars work only when I'm watching from a TV camera (the ones "mounted" on the track), or watching another car.
I often used to watch replays to analyze who caused a crash for example, but now its not really possible to see who is who, unless they are using different skins or you press pause and find out by using the buttons in the connection list.

In addition to that, i STILL think the names are hided to early, they should be visible for like 2 or 3 times the distance.

EDIT:
This is caused because the view distance is to high that the name over the car is hidden :D
Using 100FOV here.

[zockmachine]

hi,

i've got some "problems" with the sounds of DaveWS's soundpack (and now in the official version V3)... they are too loud for me and i cant hear my tires loud enough. :shrug: i tried to change it in the sound options, but if i lower the car volume, and leave the tire sound at the maximum, the tire sound gets lower, too. Would it be possible to fix this anyhow, so that i can hear the tires loud and clear ?

but all in all, again great work, thx :thumb:

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Hmmm, I'm not so sure anymore, it might have been using an older version of the setup for that track by mistake but letting the rear step out a lot feels weird. :shrug:

Let's add Anton's posts to my "clutch damage" thread :D :nod: :razz: :thumbsup:

[ebola]

Where the hell have I been!!. The sounds are awesome nearly blew me out of my seat.

[Electrik Kar]

No problem, since it fixed itself, but I lost car shadows on the first run with the new test patch. Everything's o.k. now.

[marcione]

*\o/* dave sound pack for default !!!! nice work !!!!

[Dennisjr13]

I've been on a few race servers with the patch and have noticed what looks almost like lag. The cars on the track will jump around a little almost like lag. Also, almost no one's ping stayed under 0.10 for more than half a second (except for maybe 1 person, who I think had V3). I don't think I'm lagging and just wanted confirmation from someone else who has also noticed it as it seems to be an OOS problem.

[Zachary Zoomy]

sounds great! did you guys have to unlock S2 again?

[danowat]

sounds great! did you guys have to unlock S2 again?

Nope

[Zachary Zoomy]

:banana: Nope

:banana:

[Kada_CZ]

sounds great! did you guys have to unlock S2 again?I had to unlock for upgrading from V (1) version. No unlock needed for me from V2 patch.

[Lotesdelere]

Changes in TEST PATCH V3 :

Sound :
Included new default car sounds created by DaveWS

Misc :
Admins can now use in-game : /laps /qual /hours /wind
New option /adminslots=X reserves slots for admins
Great, thanks a lot :thumb:

Although tonight I notice more connections problems to the server than usual.
Either it takes a long time before the player can finally join and some regulars are losing connection during the race whilst they usually don't.
Server is still running on V patch. This doesn't prove anything though, but two players complained about having connection problems due to V3, claiming they didn't have these troubles with previous patch (V or V2).

[Lotesdelere]

if i lower the car volume, and leave the tire sound at the maximum, the tire sound gets lower, too. Would it be possible to fix this anyhow, so that i can hear the tires loud and clear ?
I second that, let us make the sound balance we want :nod:

[troy]

i noticed a framerate drop on patch v3 (running v2 before)
installed v3 just after closing lfs with v2 and now i got around 10 fps less on track
i dont think it is somethin running in the back because it was fine with v2 just 5min before the upgrade


system specs:

intel dual core 2.8ghz
radeon X1950 pro
2 noname 1gb ram's

[rc10racer]

i noticed a framerate drop on patch v3 (running v2 before)
installed v3 just after closing lfs with v2 and now i got around 10 fps less on track
i dont think it is somethin running in the back because it was fine with v2 just 5min before the upgrade


system specs:

intel dual core 2.8ghz
radeon X1950 pro
2 noname 1gb ram's

I can back him up on that, with v2 i capped the fps at 100 and was get a solid 92 frames np, but upgraded to v3 and the fps was jumping around like a mofo from 30 to 70 and so on :(

[Scawen]

If you do get lower frame rate :

The LOD used to be related to screen size.

Now it is not any more, and the LOD is set very high. Your LFS is probably drawing cars at too high a resolution.

You should now turn down the LOD, and it will reduce the LOD of cars in the distance but not really have any effect on the scenery.

Maybe the LOD setting should now start lower than 1 by default.

[Zaeka]

I second that, let us make the sound balance we want :nod:

And the LOD balance too (0.25-1.00 only rim change.I think scenary make your fps higher)It is needet for lower PC`s like mine PIII 500Hhz ,256 SD RAm ,32 MB TnT 2 Pro/Model 64:nod:

btw. nice Fuel meter :)

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

So no more octagonal wheels I bet, with high LOD. Better tire flex visibility too perhaps?

[ebola]

After EVERY patch we get the same thing. Lots of people moaning of a drop in FPS, more lag and physics changes etc etc etc. Im sure it would help Scawen alot if people used their loaf before making lots of posts like this. For example notice how things are different over a longer time period.

I've just spent about an hour on Redline Racing and some time offline and I can say Ive noticed no FPS drop and no extra lag when online.

HTH

Edit: After re-reading sounds like Im moaning just thought I'd clarify its posted with good intentions :)

[birder]

Have noticed that when someone joins our servers the last latency bar shoots up. Normally it recovers but several times it has timed the new joiner out. This seems more than V2

[nesrulz]

THX for V3!

btw, what is this? :)
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9543/untitledfr0.th.jpg (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledfr0.jpg)

RGDS

[GP4Flo]

I think the main problem is, that people don't test what the FPS difference really is. If you want to check the FPS, you can e.g. use Fraps which will show your average FPS. You can load a replay with the old LFS.exe and the new one and will see exactly if/how the FPS changes.

If you post those average FPS numbers together with your system config it may help to track down the cause. But just saying "LFS runs slower now" doesn't help much.

[Riders Motion]

Damn you can't use BeSpoke anymore :(

[r4ptor]

+1 @ V3

In particular I think most people will be happy that we are now using DaveWS's sounds as the default sounds! Thank you Dave! :)

Yes, Dave.. thanks you, Dave :D :thumb:

[keithano]

I updated from patch V to V3..
the guage display of FOX has changed.. is that a new change of patch V3 or ?

[robt]

Found a bug with the live lap changes....
Started a race of two laps, got onto the second lap then changed the race distance to one lap. Now i cant finish the race. Maybe some kind of check needs to be put in place so that the laps set cant be lower then the current lap the leader is on?

Also, whilst im on about lengths of races. is it possible to implement a /mins on top of the /hours race length?

[Kid222]

V3 rulez! Love it! Thanks Scawen, nice job! :thumb:

[hackerx]

btw, what is this? :)
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9543/untitledfr0.th.jpg (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledfr0.jpg)
Methinks it's a nice fat DOT.

BTW, one thing I noticed about V3. If race is over, and just doing laps (starting after finish), now if you complete same number of laps as race was, it will display FINISHED. Didn't happen before.

[nesrulz]

...it's a nice fat DOT.

:tilt:

[GeForz]

Methinks it's a nice fat DOT.It's the loop seperator after which the same text comes again.

[N I K I]

:wow: What a nice improvements.
And they say LFS is stuck for 2 years, eat this suckers :smileypul

I love the sounds :thumb:
I love new names, now I'll maybe use that feature :shrug:

Thank you. :nana:

[SlamDunk]

Nice new sounds... except there's still too much distortion (it just does not feel right to me) and gear whine(?) sounds too "loopy", expecially at high gears and at top speeds (particularly noticeable with Formula XR, FZ50 etc.).

[S14 DRIFT]

i know you JUST done a patch, but i think a clutch change is kinda really needed. *hides from flaming* :(

[a n d 1]

*\o/* dave sound pack for default !!!! nice work !!!!

Have to agree with marci! Very nice to hear that you work with the community even closer :thumb:

[Scawen]

S14 - this is not a feature request thread. If I have changed the clutch then please comment on it.

This is a compatible patch - that means, no multiplayer or physics changes. There will be a multiplayer incompatible patch with the same physics and then after that there will be a physics patch. It will happen quicker if you don't waste my time, telling you the test patch forum rules.

[DaveWS]

Nice new sounds... except there's still too much distortion (it just does not feel right to me) and gear whine(?) sounds too "loopy", expecially at high gears and at top speeds (particularly noticeable with Formula XR, FZ50 etc.).

Sometimes on high echo settings there will be slight clipping, but the sounds should be on the limit in terms of the volume they can go.

I am fully aware of the looping of the gear whine, however the whine had to be extracted somehow from an onboard video (to avoid copyright issues), so one of the several problems was getting it to loop nicely. That was the 281441 attempt at it, and although far from perfect still, I am pleased enough with it.

[Scawen]

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I've fixed the reported problems and here is a new Test Patch V4 :

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=21452