C'mon, people (STCC1b)

[NoQuarter]

If you can't make it cleanly through a corner in traffic, stay off the racing line, please.

Please don't go barreling into a corner off a long high speed run, and upset everyone who has made a proper entrance into same corner.

Look to your side, from time to time...there maybe someone right there that you're fixing to pinch off track (or into a wall)


I know this is the "beginners" server, but I keep seeing the same stupid crap. I know that sometimes at T1, there's so much traffic, you get a little lag, and things become a bit dicey, but imho, that's the worst time to be aggressive. So you get through it relatively unscathed and charge on...what about the rest drivers trying to get through without complete carnage?

Anyway, I am looking forward to moving up to the next server.

At some point.

If I can get through T1.


Carry on. Nothing else to see here.

[XCNuse]

1a was always better ;)
i couldn't take it with the UF1k first of all, second of all what you pointed out, third of all.. no one spoke english! lol i guess i got on at the wrong time but it was still bad

[Tukko]

Anyway, I am looking forward to moving up to the next server.

It's not much better there.. I'm just wondering how on earth some of those people got their licence :x

[Becky Rose]

STCC Servers are licenced servers, this means you have to have a race licence to compete on them. We can and do make notes on drivers, penalise drivers licences, and repeal licences. But we need to know who to act against, http://license.ukct.net/report.asp

Thank you for racing on the servers, we do our best to keep them clean and provide a home for close and fair racing.

Many problems in sim racing stem from a gamer attitude, and STCC2 and above tries to impress that these are serious race servers where gaming conventions aren't well accepted - such as resetting or rejoining the track after a spin when there is approaching traffic, overtaking without having sufficient overlap on the car you are passing.

Where possible we enforce this first tier servers too, although a little bit more leeniently in our approach.

[NoQuarter]

I understand Becky...just venting a little.

I may be fairly new to LFS, but I've done a lot of other racing against live opponents, typically at an upper mid-pack to lower front runner level.

Racing incidents happen, especially with fairly evenly matched drivers. But when I see someone, through inexperience, just completely blow it for other drivers, it gets a bit frustrating. I've looked at the replays from the incidents I was involved in this afternoon, and while there may be a case for presenting each of them to the STCC Driver Report, I have to say that none of them were malicious (well, maybe one), but just cases of very poor judgement or very poor execution.

I will say that overall, I am enjoying my time on the STCC 1a and 1b servers, and find that racing there is actually quite vital to my racing development, as it should be. I've also raced with some very polite drivers, who drive aggressively, but fairly and observe decent racing etiquette.

At this point, I'll make note of the drivers involved and make sure to keep an eye on them, if only to watch my own six.

[Becky Rose]

I have to say that none of them were malicious (well, maybe one), but just cases of very poor judgement or very poor execution.
We do act on these kind of reports, although if we received every incident that ever happened we'd quickly get bogged down - but drivers who make repeat errors in judgement we want to know about so we can keep track of them and either hold them in server 1 or remove them completely - a short ban usually prompts them to get in touch with us and after words ... well some drivers who are very valued members of the STCC now where once hauled up in front of the admins... :)

[Shotglass]

its really pretty nasty ... i decided to work my way to a gold license when the lrf server was put up but after just one night of racing (less than 10 races) i couldnt take it anymore

[Becky Rose]

I rather think that's more a reflection of the state of LFS public racing than the STCC though. You get this everywhere unfortunately, but the STCC admins are willing to deal with the problem makers if we know who they are.

[JamesK]

Trouble is, when driving with care and attention, I come in about 10th in a full field 'cause my lap times aren't so hot (so, zero points every race) ... if I don't try and take a wide line to let through faster drivers, and rub as much as I get rubbed (not going as far as nudging on purpose), I can scrape maybe 5th and get a point or two. I don't like doing it that way, but now there's no points for just taking part its the only way I'll ever get to Bronze never mind Silver :shrug:

[Shotglass]

sure but i think the whole system has a way of amplifying those problems
for starters most servers have a small-ish userbase... the stccs userbase is a very large portion of the entire lfs community
and starting out with a car that appears to be dead easy to drive probably doesnt help much either

i will concede that an stcc1 server with so sprint running wasnt the best place to get back in the business but then again having so in the newbie server rotation might not be a particularly awesome idea either

[Becky Rose]

Hmmm, I dont want to remove South City because people say the same thing about Fern Bay and Blackwood... That doesn't leave much...

[Becky Rose]

Trouble is, when driving with care and attention, I come in about 10th in a full field 'cause my lap times aren't so hot (so, zero points every race) ... if I don't try and take a wide line to let through faster drivers, and rub as much as I get rubbed (not going as far as nudging on purpose), I can scrape maybe 5th and get a point or two. I don't like doing it that way, but now there's no points for just taking part its the only way I'll ever get to Bronze never mind Silver :shrug:
What you are describing is to 'magically' gain positions by running racers off the road.

You are either quick enough for server 2, or you aren't yet ready.

Crawling up 1 point at a time takes about 1,000 races.

[NotAnIllusion]

Noo please don't even consider remove anything, South City especially <3 :p It's good to have difficult tracks there because then they'll be less difficult after 20 odd races when people get to the next licence level :nod: XRG @ SO is one of _the_ best combos around!

[Shotglass]

Hmmm, I dont want to remove South City because people say the same thing about Fern Bay and Blackwood... That doesn't leave much...

on those two you at least dont have to deal with cars getting catapulted in your way or falling from the sky right in front of you after hitting a wall

have you considered making the xrg the copper car yet ? (same licencing scheme as on the higher tier servers)
frustration about your own lack of skill is a very usefull tool to weed out those who shouldnt be on the server

[JamesK]

I don't run other racers off the road (apart from the occasional honest mistake, which I think everyone makes), but to get a result you have to be as aggressive as the other racers.

I guess its time to try changing the setup, which really irks me since thats not something you can do in real life; turn up run Autograss class 1 with adjustable suspension and scrutineering would laugh you off the field

[animal1313]

Solution to the problem of people racing through turn one and thereby taking out the entire grid:

Combine the Caribbean Cruise money idea with STCC license. If your car is wrecked, you get booted from the race. No pit, just booted. A bit harsh for people who were victims, but pretty soon people will take it easy on cold tires.

[Becky Rose]

There isn't really a reliable way to detect a wrecked car at the moment - but I have asked Scawen for some INSIM functionality in this respect so if he feels it right to deliver it i'll be making some adjustments to the data the licence system collects... :)

[CELTIC100]

I have a question about the copper and bronze server as it seems open to higher licence holders also, tried searching for an answer in vain can someone please confirm whether my hunch is correct or not :scratchch

I did do a search on some of the names on the server and it appears some of the racers are old hands with a couple of thousand licence points etc.

The problem I have as a noob to stcc is being competitive with these drivers as they seem to be dropping to the lower level server to skim points as it looks as if about 4 racers are well out in front with a second group behind.

Finding it hard at the start when starting the next race in about 5,6 or 7th as mid grid you always seem to get whacked from behind at the first bend

Enjoying the racing but the points are coming very slowly due to the problems encountered above as the top 4 cars seem to be running higher licences than Bronze.

[Bean0]

I have a question about the copper and bronze server as it seems open to higher licence holders also, tried searching for an answer in vain can someone please confirm whether my hunch is correct or not :scratchch

I did do a search on some of the names on the server and it appears some of the racers are old hands with a couple of thousand licence points etc.

The problem I have as a noob to stcc is being competitive with these drivers as they seem to be dropping to the lower level server to skim points as it looks as if about 4 racers are well out in front with a second group behind.

Finding it hard at the start when starting the next race in about 5,6 or 7th as mid grid you always seem to get whacked from behind at the first bend

Enjoying the racing but the points are coming very slowly due to the problems encountered above as the top 4 cars seem to be running higher licences than Bronze.

The lower servers are open to anyone with higher licences. I enjoy popping in now and again for some fun in the XFG/XRG, as do a few others that I know of. Points scored are reduced for those with higher licences.

The complaint about them being faster and not giving the others a chance to get points isn't really relevant. What good would it be if people got onto the Silver/Gold server by only racing against what you would call 'slower drivers' ? As soon as they get onto the higher servers they would be in exactly the same situation...can't win, too may fast people.

[Dajmin]

As far as I understand, after you hit Silver you can no longer earn points on the Bronze server. I could be wrong though.

These days I usually brake way too early to avoid a T1 disaster. It's much better than having your race ended because nobody seems to know how to brake. I'd rather be near last and on the track than exit the pits and have no hope of catching anyone. The number of times I've seen people clean the entire field at the SO1R chicane just isn't funny.

[Bean0]

As far as I understand, after you hit Silver you can no longer earn points on the Bronze server. I could be wrong though.

These days I usually brake way too early to avoid a T1 disaster. It's much better than having your race ended because nobody seems to know how to brake. I'd rather be near last and on the track than exit the pits and have no hope of catching anyone. The number of times I've seen people clean the entire field at the SO1R chicane just isn't funny.

There is a system in place to report people driving like muppets.
If it isn't used, then the muppet-like drivers will remain on the servers.

I understand that on the lower servers a bit of leaway is given, as they are there for people to learn and improve their racecraft. On the higher servers the penalties are more severe as the expected standard itself is higher.

[Jakg]

The lower servers are open to anyone with higher licences. I enjoy popping in now and again for some fun in the XFG/XRG, as do a few others that I know of. Points scored are reduced for those with higher licences.as off about a week ago we get NO points on the lower servers, which imho is a shame as i love the XRG and UF1

[CELTIC100]

The complaint about them being faster and not giving the others a chance to get points isn't really relevant. What good would it be if people got onto the Silver/Gold server by only racing against what you would call 'slower drivers' ? As soon as they get onto the higher servers they would be in exactly the same situation...can't win, too may fast people.

Sorry but cant agree as the points for each particular licence must have been set by the admins to enable a racer to gain a licence in a particular time period - For instance if 8 High Licence racers always entered the copper bronze server the newbie racer is getting frozen out irrespective whether the higher licence holders gain points or not.

Looking at the racer stats some of the silver licence holders may have two or more years experience and know the courses inside out whereas myself has a couple of weeks experience and some tracks i'm seeing for the first time on the server.

So I think it all comes down to respecting the class your entering - myself I would never enter a pro server even on demo just incase I become a spoiler the same applies if racers drop to a server that they are too qualifed to race in.

[fujiwara]

as off about a week ago we get NO points on the lower servers, which imho is a shame as i love the XRG and UF1

Agree.
Hey Becky, how many cookies do you want to give some points at lower server :D:D.

[Bean0]

as off about a week ago we get NO points on the lower servers, which imho is a shame as i love the XRG and UF1

:(

Sorry but cant agree as the points for each particular licence must have been set by the admins to enable a racer to gain a licence in a particular time period - For instance if 8 High Licence racers always entered the copper bronze server the newbie racer is getting frozen out irrespective whether the higher licence holders gain points or not.

Looking at the racer stats some of the silver licence holders may have two or more years experience and know the courses inside out whereas myself has a couple of weeks experience and some tracks i'm seeing for the first time on the server.

So I think it all comes down to respecting the class your entering - myself I would never enter a pro server even on demo just incase I become a spoiler the same applies if racers drop to a server that they are too qualifed to race in.

Sorry, but I am just saying what has already been posted before by Becky, I looked for her post to quote but couldn't find it.

Just because people have a higher license doesn't mean that they are unbeatable :)

[Becky Rose]

myself I would never enter a pro server even on demo just incase I become a spoiler the same applies if racers drop to a server that they are too qualifed to race in.

When the system first went live a lot of people hit the servers, we had so many racers keen to earn licences that for over a month all of the servers where jam packed full 24/7. At the very beginning the middle and low order drivers got no points at all because some of LFS' finest where earning their starting licences too. Everybody started at ground zero. At the end of the first month over 1000 drivers still had not earned their first bar of progress (10%) on their licence.

People coming up through the system now have an easier time because the 'elites' have already moved through.

To complain it's unfair because some of them ocassionally pop back on for a bit of fun with the slower cars doesn't really hold ground because you kids today have it easy ;) *mocking grin*.

Unfortunately the same responsible attitude of not entering a server you are not ready for is not an attitude shared by everybody, and i've had several conversations with people about not being able to race on STCC2, some of those conversations have been colourful, but when you work your way onto the higher servers I believe/hope you will realise why it takes the effort it does to get there, and be thankful for the time it took to prove your salt and be granted access.

With the way the system works you are basically elevated to the server when you are fast enough - rather than by 'grinding' your way to get access. When the system gives out points it tends to give out lots of points. As you gain experience and improve your driving you should find that getting a licence is easy, you'll then find yourself grateful that there are a few servers out there that you know there is a minimum standard - even if that minimum standard is not yet as high as I would personally like it to be.

[CELTIC100]

Just because people have a higher license doesn't mean that they are unbeatable

I agree with the quote but from my experience in the last week due to the fact that we have PRO Racers joining the server irrespective of the licence they hold they are turning the server into a pro racing server intentionally or not.

It may be the case and probably is that they have raced on LFS for a no of years and only recently joined the STCC servers in this case they should be allowed once proven to possibly enter at the SILVER level :shrug:

This will give the Noobs like myself a bit of a level playing field and a chance to pick up points a little quicker.

PS I did search for other posts here and on the Official STCC Forum but could not find anything.

[Becky Rose]

If a driver is very good they can get to silver licence in under a dozen races, so yes the system does cater to this. Some drivers race on the new & bronze servers for no other reason than they enjoy it - and i'm not about to turn that content off for them, STCC is about opening up content to those who've earned the right to access it by proving they are fast and clean, it's not about seperating the community.

I also suspect you'll find that over half the field of any race online have a year or more of experience with LFS. This is because it's a good game and keeps it's player base.

The fact that only half a dozen are lightning fast and beating you, and the rest you hadn't noticed are veterans, is simply because although LFS keeps it's players - some of us just really aren't very fast :).

[CELTIC100]

Thanks for the reply Becky :) From what I have seen in the last week or so i'm very impressed with the whole set up you have created and the racers I have met on the Copper/Bronze Server seem a good set of lads :D

I'm now resigned to the fact it could take me 4 months or so to get into the bulk of your Community running only 2 cars :shrug:

Just worried it could get a little tedious at times But don't get me wrong as the racing is very enjoyable and I also like the fact that from 1 hour to the next you hav'nt got a clue whats coming next :thumb: and as you know us Welsh don't give up that easy so see you all trackside Soon :D

PS Hope you don't mind my Avatar had to do a slightly different take from your own :)

[Neil777]

I don't think its too hard to get points on the bronze server, just today I managed to get my first win not by being particularly fast but just fairly tidy throughout the course off the race.

[mrodgers]

Celtic, did you find me a "Pro" driver when I was there with you last night? Did you find that I was "blazingly fast"? If you say yes to both of those questions then your idea of "pro" and "blazingly fast" are way off, LOL.

I do have the experience. Been here for 2 years now. I can guess that I probably have 3-4000 laps in the XFG at Blackwood playing around on the demo servers both before and after aquiring my LFS license (the 24 pound paid for S2 license). It will probably take you quite a long time before you have more total LFS laps than I have at just the AS3/FZR combo. Yet, I am hanging out on the STCC S1 server with just 36% towards my silver license. I'm running around at 3-4 seconds off the world record times for many of these tracks.

Celtic, it I don't think it will be long before you are able to run times that I or the majority that you see are running. Yesterday, you saw Barroso running around with 1:43 lap times while I and others ran around at 1:45-6 and you brought up the field in the back. Folks like Barroso are what I concider part of the "pros" that race during our timezone. It won't take long until you see that those Mercury guys are fast. Fortunately for everyone else, folks like that are quite the minority. But they are also an important part of the puzzle for us as we can study the way they drive and improve ourselves.

Just don't worry about it all. It doesn't take long to improve yourself up to the normal 1:46 when those fast guys are running 1:43's. And you won't see them very often on the new/bronze server as well. What you will see is folks like me battling it out and pretty soon you will be right there with us in the middle of the battle. When you do see those fast guys, don't think of it as "they shouldn't be here", but think of it as "I'm going to study him" and repeat what he is doing. Then you will improve easily.

Have fun, that's what it's all about. The XFG is the car that can have the best racing, IMO. It always ends up with the best and closest door to door racing, except maybe the UF1 (S2 car).

There's another point I just thought of. Moving up in the STCC licensing won't really do you any good anyways as the XF/XRG server is the only S1 server in the STCC. All the others are S2 and you won't be able to join them anyways, at least right now. I imagine if you are worried about all this like you are coming off as, that it won't be long until you are S2 licensed anyways :thumb: .

[CELTIC100]

Cheers Mate :thumb: Yeah it was a good night as I said before I'm really enjoying it :D

Anyways tonight I had a Good night as I had a 2nd out of 12 at SO town reverse ran about 10 races in all jumped from 60 to 132 Points so mabe I can get Bronze in a week or two :)

All of a sudden that S2 licence does'nt seem too far off :thumb:

But as I stated before It's going to take time to learn the tracks as I'm still coming across tracks I've never seen Before in fact My 2nd place at SO Town Rev was new to me and the second place came in race No 2 :D

Anyways thanks for the racing lads and I apologise for the odd misdemeanor :shrug:

[csurdongulos]

All of a sudden that S2 licence does'nt seem too far off :thumb:

ehm, you do know that your S2 licence won'T come from you reaching Silver, but from paying an additional 12 pounds, right? :)

[CELTIC100]

Yes I do know, but if you read all the posts I have a long term plan as I think it pointless to jump straight in and become a spoiler in a car and track combo I don't have experience with.

The peices of the jigsaw seem to be coming together nicely thanks :thumb:

[csurdongulos]

Yes I do know, but if you read all the posts I have a long term plan as I think it pointless to jump straight in and become a spoiler in a car and track combo I don't have experience with.

The peices of the jigsaw seem to be coming together nicely thanks :thumb:

I see, but it is very unusual that someone buys his/her license based on the progress made in the STCC servers :D if you can resist the temptation to try out the s2 cars, you can still drive in S1 servers with those cars :)

[Viper93]

Interesting =) First I have heard of someone in S1 buying S2 just so they can continue with the STCC licensing =)

[CELTIC100]

S1 Servers ? I'm Only picking up the 1 server on an S1 Licence Which is the 1a New and Bronze Sever :scratch IS THERE MORE SERVERS I SHOULD BE GAINING ACCESS TO ?

[Becky Rose]

No not really, Scawen asked us server hosts to fire up some S1 servers a while ago ahead of the patch V mailshot, but a perception of value amongst the S2 community meant they sat empty and have closed since, where STCC succeeded is because the server was originally S2 and got it's user base, and then when we needed to open a second tier 1 server I consider bandwidth and Scawens request and decided to make it an S1 server.

Infact looking at angry angels server occupation script, it appears to be LFS' 5th busiest server [over time] at the moment, despite being limited to 14 drivers.

It still took a bit for S2 users to realise they where still getting the S2 physics engine and graphics and so on, but the established user base allowed it to grow and eventually succeed, although some subtle renaming was necessary after an initial period of emptiness in that the S1 server became STCC1a (originally STCC1b), and some reassuring forum posts and eventually people started to trickle into the S1 server and now we can look back and call it a success.

It has brought a few old S1 players back into the game, and i'm pleased to say that I know some, probably not many but at least some, are now S2 licenced. Add those to the new people we've brought in from the race broadcasts and I can sit happy knowing i've done something positive for the LFS user base. :)

Now if that was the limit of my goals with the STCC project i'd be happy ... but it isn't, which is why I can tell you that the next major step in the evolution of the STCC is currently being programmed, it'll be launched along with the new dedicated server hardware sitting my garage at the moment (waiting on an out of stock processor).

What it is? Well i'm not going to tell you everything yet, but here's a hint... It'll be a permanent 24/7 any-time league, I can promise you this much - you wont be suffering from a shortage of racers in your timezone - I personally guarantee it.

That's all for now though... ;)

[Gentlefoot]

The lower servers are open to anyone with higher licences. I enjoy popping in now and again for some fun in the XFG/XRG, as do a few others that I know of. Points scored are reduced for those with higher licences.

The complaint about them being faster and not giving the others a chance to get points isn't really relevant. What good would it be if people got onto the Silver/Gold server by only racing against what you would call 'slower drivers' ? As soon as they get onto the higher servers they would be in exactly the same situation...can't win, too may fast people.


I agree. People need to just accept the fact that over time and with practice people become faster LFS racers. I've done 30 odd thousand miles and competed in top level leagues and know all the circuits. I have only just started racing in the STCC servers and got to Silver licence in a couple of days. I rarely finish outside the top 4. The reason is I have a lot of LFS experience.

[Viper93]

I agree. People need to just accept the fact that over time and with practice people become faster LFS racers. I've done 30 odd thousand miles and competed in top level leagues and know all the circuits. I have only just started racing in the STCC servers and got to Silver licence in a couple of days. I rarely finish outside the top 4. The reason is I have a lot of LFS experience.


Agree totally =) It takes alot of practice to get any type of good times down. Part of this is that every driver is missing a critical part of feeling for the car, G-forces. Another big reason is that even though everyone tries their hardest, it's virtually impossible to replicate real world physics within a game. While making the feeling close, it's still a long ways off from being perfect confusing the driver of what happens in the game to what really would happen in real life.

[CELTIC100]

Thanks for that Becky :)

I was wondering about the S1 Licence and the server issue myself as I would have thought that Scawen would be obliged by trading standards to run Official LFS Servers for S1 licencees Specifically as he's selling an S1 licence seperately and does not seem to be supporting this licence at all.

The problem at present is that the 1a server only caters for 2 cars within the S1 Licence part of the game meaning the other cars I can only race in single player mode :(

A little off subject and not your problem so thanks again for running your server cause without it I would be screwed, I'm sure if you removed your server Scawen would find himself in a piccle as he would then be selling a service that he is not catering for.

[Shotglass]

then when we needed to open a second tier 1 server I consider bandwidth and Scawens request and decided to make it an S1 server.

the s1 tracks suit the std cars a whole lot better anyways and having a max of 14 connections helps a lot with having less ... unexpierenced drivers on the server ... one of the best decisions youve made so far both for stcc as well as for lfs

Thanks for that Becky :)

I was wondering about the S1 Licence and the server issue myself as I would have thought that Scawen would be obliged by trading standards to run Official LFS Servers for S1 licencees Specifically as he's selling an S1 licence seperately and does not seem to be supporting this licence at all.

The problem at present is that the 1a server only caters for 2 cars within the S1 Licence part of the game meaning the other cars I can only race in single player mode :(

A little off subject and not your problem so thanks again for running your server cause without it I would be screwed, I'm sure if you removed your server Scawen would find himself in a piccle as he would then be selling a service that he is not catering for.

i was under the impression that the only way to obtain a s1 licence was by buying an s2 voucher ? that is not something you know how to do if youre not familiar with lfs and know what youre buying

[CELTIC100]

No From LFS Home Page just purchase S1 Licence by entering usual billing details - Start game enter details and away you go half the game opened up but then to my surprise only 1 server and no official LFS servers to be seen.

I did raise an eyebrow at the time and was not too pleased as you probably have guessed at first I thought that my computer was not connecting properly it was only later in the Forums I found out that Beckys server is the only one running at present.

I have not made any Official Complaint and do not intend to as I'll be upgrading shortly but it does seem to me to be a little naughty of the owners.

[Becky Rose]

It always used to be the case that S1 wasn't officially available for sale anymore and you could only do it by a workaround, but i've noticed a few drivers of late with S1 licences and did wonder if something had changed - I wonder if they realise...

Mind you, I have absolutely no objection to picking up all these new users onto my servers - getting them ingrained into STCC thinking, more puppets for me *evil gril* :).

[CELTIC100]

A - Simulation you mean Becky :razz:

Hav'nt noticed any wires yet mind - Whats the incubation period :D

[nihil]

Just because people have a higher license doesn't mean that they are unbeatable :)

LOL

I'm proof of that! I recently got my Silver licence after a long(ish) break from any racing at all (got it with a win as well, which was nice). But I'm still, most of the time, a mid-field to just-outside-of-a-podium driver on the bronze servers, and embarrassingly off the pace on the silver server. So far, in all the races I've had a peek at, even the mid-fielders are about four seconds faster than my PB! I haven't braved it yet... (1.39.XX for an XRT on Fern Bay Gold, isn't that slow is it?? :shrug: )

I don't race often and I don't practice much offline, so I would always hope there's going to be space on a bronze grid for me to freshen up before going off to be lapped in my XRT.

[Shotglass]

It always used to be the case that S1 wasn't officially available for sale anymore and you could only do it by a workaround, but i've noticed a few drivers of late with S1 licences and did wonder if something had changed - I wonder if they realise...

turns out something has changed:
https://www.liveforspeed.net/?page=shop
Select your item from the list:
Item Price

If you want to buy LFS for someone else: (1)
Buy S1 voucher £12
Buy S1 -> S2 upgrade voucher £12
Buy S2 voucher £24

[CELTIC100]

Ah what the hell why wait :thumb: NOW S2 :D

[Becky Rose]

Yay :) Now you can access lots more STCC servers, and some other stuff I dont care about.

[Jakg]

Yay :) Now you can access lots more STCC servers, and some other stuff I dont care about.dont talk about the Redline servers like that! :D

[Becky Rose]

I care even less about the server I cannot access.

[Viper93]

I care even less about the server I cannot access.

Hehe:thumb:

[GT Touring]

did my bit- and raced clean and won a few times and podium placed much more...
now i am a silver license...
I will be back because it is fun- but WAHHH lots of jerk wreckers show up for sure.

[Jakg]

if you see a "jerk wrecker" go to license.ukct.net and report them!

[animal1313]

did my bit- and raced clean and won a few times and podium placed much more...
now i am a silver license...
I will be back because it is fun- but WAHHH lots of jerk wreckers show up for sure.

I'm in agreement with you and just got my Silver, too. Great racing last night, but its more common for "fast" drivers to intentionally bump-pass. What annoys me most, though, is the jokers who blow their horns and scream "blue flag" even though you are leading them.

Here's a hint people: sound your horn when you are overtaking and when in a blind-spot. Not when you are three car lengths back and/or squarely behind the car in front of you.

[Becky Rose]

If I catch anyone screaming blue flag on my servers i'll kick them and make a note on their licence. It's considered as unsolicited spam by me, and I really hate spammers.

[A.Ulleri]

Yeah I experienced the horn thing last night. Some guy was behind me, maybe slightly faster but we were racing for position and he kept honking at me. I wasn't blocking, just racing clean. He eventually rammed me into a wall.

Anyways I've been on the servers for 2 days now and I am enjoying it quite a bit, even though there seems to be way to much carnage from turn one and on.

[-DrftMstr-]

I gave up fighting for turn 1 lol. Let the mayhem happen ans zip through clean. Consistency at the end will make u gain a spot or two if you're not the hotshot pole position regular.

[Viper93]

I gave up fighting for turn 1 lol. Let the mayhem happen ans zip through clean. Consistency at the end will make u gain a spot or two if you're not the hotshot pole position regular.

Thats how I always used to do it too, infact I still do if I am in the rear of the pack. You will have at least a few laps to pick them off afterwards =)

[Neil777]

One thing I've noticed since getting onto the gold and silver server is that though the cars take up more track space there doesn't seem to be as many incidents in turn 1 as with the uf's.

[FOGlegsy]

I think its also that there are 3 diffrent cars running, The first corner is usually bad in the UF's as the cars are pretty much the same speed into T1 (apart from a few setup tweaks),

[SamH]

One thing I've noticed since getting onto the gold and silver server is that though the cars take up more track space there doesn't seem to be as many incidents in turn 1 as with the uf's.
I honestly believe this is because the idiots that can't get cleanly through T1 will remain on the first tier servers. That's what the system is intended to do.. separate out the capabilities into 3 tiers. There is some FANTASTIC driving in Platinum servers. The Silver & Gold too - most of these guys are making their way to Platinum.

[Shotglass]

I gave up fighting for turn 1 lol. Let the mayhem happen ans zip through clean. Consistency at the end will make u gain a spot or two if you're not the hotshot pole position regular.

trouble with that is youll end up near the end of the field into t1 and have to work your way back up with no chance of catching the front so your licence progresses slowly

[CELTIC100]

Just an update on my previous Issues - and you were right Silver in 23 days from joining :thumb:

250 Races
3223 Miles
2011 Laps
40% Podiums
18 wins
33 seconds
31 thirds

and still a noob :D all on mouse and keyboard - TIME TO GET A WHEEL :thumb:

see you all on silver after a little more practice and purchase of wheel :)

[NoQuarter]

I took XCNuse's advice and have been doing some racing on STCC1a. Generally, seems to be a little less mayhem, but today a few things stuck out:

1) If you wreck, but are still mobile, why not soldier on back to the pits, get repaired, and rejoin instead of exiting to the pits. When you exit to the Pits, your lap count resets and you essentially become a driving spectator. Very annoying. Not to mention it rather degrades the point potential for the drivers who continue. The only time I ever exit out is when I've rolled onto the roof, then I exit to spectator and wait for the next race.

2) If you do exit to pit and then go back onto the track, why are you pressuring a driver who is still in the running? Rude, rude behavior.

3) The ubiquitous horn. You know, you could probably drive better and gain a bit more respect from other drivers if you stuck that thing where the sun don't shine.

4) "Hollering" Blue Flag! Let me pass! For one, I thought general chat during a race was prohibited, not to mention how unsporting it is. For another thing, as long as the overtaken driver is not intentionally blocking you, it's your responsibility to pass the slower car, cleanly.

There were several very gentlemen-like racers that I had the pleasure of racing against this afternoon. It's too bad the good times have to be spoiled by a few who seem to have no class.

BTW, Becky, I was so mad I exited out and forgot to save replays, so we'll chalk another session up to experience. Overall, I am enjoying my time on the STCC servers...just needed to rant a little.

[SamH]

hehe! Nice rant. Can't argue with any of it :)

Well, maybe one bit.. occasionally people will drive cars they really can't control because of damage. This can be unsporting if, while they're hobbling back to the pits, they're causing a hazard to other cars on the track. I don't think there's a hard and fast rule here, but consideration for and responsibility towards other cars must always be a primary factor in deciding whether or not to make the drive back to the pits.

Good thoughts! :)

[NoQuarter]

...occasionally people will drive cars they really can't control because of damage. This can be unsporting if, while they're hobbling back to the pits, they're causing a hazard to other cars on the track. I don't think there's a hard and fast rule here, but consideration for and responsibility towards other cars must always be a primary factor in deciding whether or not to make the drive back to the pits.



Oh absolutely! One has to take into account the effects of trying to get back to the pits without interfering with the race. In those cases, exit to spectator is warrented. ;)

[dawesdust_12]

I tryed to drive ther tonight, I lasted all of... 6 laps before I got so frustrated by others. I guess that when points are on the line, you get to see a bunch of great passing manuevers... :(

[Becky Rose]

Not to mention it rather degrades the point potential for the drivers who continue
Just for clarity, the number of drivers in the race is based on the cars who are on the grid, not on how many cross the finishing line. I am tempted to only award points to cars which compete 75% distance or more - but the problem here is as Sam says, the fear of people driving rediculously damaged cars and wrecking everyone - especially on tracks like SO Sp1 and Sp2, and FE RallyXGn which all have no pits to repair at.

[mrodgers]

I am tempted to only award points to cars which compete 75% distance or more...
Oh, no! Don't do that! After a very long time getting my silver from only gaining +5 or +7 points for winning in the XFG, I ran some of my first silver races last night. I joined in while race was in progress (after the leaders passed, hehe) and worked on my setup which meant several times going to the garage (never drove the XRT much in the last 2 years). I was quite happy to finish 1 lap of an 11 lap race and gain +84! LOL

[Gentlefoot]

Oh absolutely! One has to take into account the effects of trying to get back to the pits without interfering with the race. In those cases, exit to spectator is warrented. ;)

I had to drive all the way round KY Nat on the grass in a GP once in order to stay out of peoples way after a rear tyre blew at T1.

[wsinda]

1) If you wreck, but are still mobile, why not soldier on back to the pits, get repaired, and rejoin instead of exiting to the pits. [...] The only time I ever exit out is when I've rolled onto the roof, then I exit to spectator and wait for the next race.
If I wreck, I usually exit to pits, because
- I don't want to become an obstacle that the other drivers crash into (especially on narrow tracks like SO and FE).
- the sooner my car is repaired, the sooner I can try to score a few points by setting a good laptime.

The only time I continue racing is when the podium is still within reach (and the car not really limping), or when I've already set a very good laptime.
2) If you do exit to pit and then go back onto the track, why are you pressuring a driver who is still in the running? Rude, rude behavior.
I must admit I probably have "pressured" a driver who was still in the race, but it was a driver who was several seconds slower than me (and I'm not exactly an alien myself). Why? Because I wanted to set a good laptime, he was making that impossible, so I was looking for an opportunity to pass him.

[Gentlefoot]

The only time I will telepit is when I have had an accident and am totally in the way with other cars baring down on me and they will have nowhere to go.

If this is not the case I believe you should continue to race to the end out of respect for your opponents. There's nothing more annoying than starting a 20 lap race with 10 people only for 9 of them to drop out after crashes.

[UsuL]

Also in the Silver&Gold server is the same since 10/15 days. Lot of "Wannabeahero" drivers get silver licence and now they are making me really angry with the well known "LamerBasedTecnique": "When there is a turn, use the car in front of you to brake".

I'm considering if I'll continue with STCC 'couse of them: I can't make more reports then races ... we need some admins to quickly solve problems with them. I was admin in my team server, (the FM's Oval Junkies), and there was no need to make long ban or so, just force the lamer on spect, say "Do again this shit and you'll be banned" and they were changing attitude.

By the way ... Live longer and lamer!

[Becky Rose]

its usually just a handful of people frequenting the server that change the whole mood - with the new features we have to send offline admin messages to drivers we are now better equipped than ever to deal with these kind of problems via the reporting system.

I'll ask the admins if they can make a special effort on STCC2 over the next week to pop on ocassionally and have a look to check everything is ok, but remember it is ok to report: It'll get human review of the replay and we are not limited to just banning - we can 'take them aside' even when they've gone off the server for an evening, and our notes system means we dont forget who the bad boys are :).

[VoiD]

Also in the Silver&Gold server is the same since 10/15 days. Lot of "Wannabeahero" drivers get silver licence and now they are making me really angry with the well known "LamerBasedTecnique": "When there is a turn, use the car in front of you to brake"....

http://stcc.bansheestudios.com/talk/viewtopic.php?id=538 :
...OK I am now armed with all the information. You are suspended from the server for 5 days and when you return will be put back with the newbie drivers. It appears the admins have received a number of verbal complaints that they'd not logged, and after witnessing some of your driving an announcement was sent to you (the admin message that keeps appearing in the top left of your screen until you type $agree).

Unfortunately it appears you either ignored the message or failed to understand it and continued to drive to a standard that would only be excepted on a non-pro racing server. After additional verbal complaints from other drivers, a submitted replay and a replay in the personal archive of one of the admins all showing your driving was still causing problems for other racers it was decided to move you back to the newbie server.

I appreciate that you are new to the simulation. So now we have your attention I am happy to remove the suspension. However I do not feel comfortable returning you to the pro race server until there is evidence that your driving has improved.

You can find some rules and code of conduct which may prove beneficial to you here: http://www.simtouringcarcup.com/rulesRace1.php
and here: http://www.simtouringcarcup.com/rulesRace2.php

Feel free to report bad driving style.
Without info its a bit hard for Becky & Admins to filter out those drivers...

[duke_toaster]

Just a suggestion. Everyone who finishes on the lead lap or the lap below that (on races longer than 8 laps) gets a minimum of 3 points.

This would stop shift-Sing which would in turn force up the cleanliness as they know that they have the potential for two points to go up in smoke if they shift-S.

[Swiss_Tony]

Yes, but there are times though when drivers must press shift-s in a hurry and it's very much appreciated by following drivers. eg. In the chicane at SO City. I certainly wouldn't want to discourage shift-s and feel the advantages of shifft-s outweigh the disadvantages. Of course any driver who does so will lose points but are they really going to do much better with a badly mangled car ? On a nice wide track where you can stay out of the way, then go for it and try and make it back to the pits. What I don't like to see is a car that limps around lap after lap totally ignoring the pits. I'd would like to see a black flag for these drivers after 2 laps and again I think it could possibly be detected by implementing a check of percentage lap speed linked to fastest lap speed. (say 60% at a guess) It could also be used on those who just sit broken down on the track though the invoked yellows well discourage this sufficiently.

I too have noticed in recent nights an influx of fresh drivers with "gung ho" attitudes, but they tend to settle down quite quickly after a few verbal chastisements and the majority realise that what they may have gotten up to before is not tolerated on the STCC2 server. I suppose they were big fish in small ponds beforehand :shrug: Anyhow, it's all good and we need this new blood coming through all the time so I wouldn't be too hard on them until they find their feet.

What I don't understand is a couple of drivers who seem to have "slipped under the net" These guys are not wreckers in the true meaning. They are just very very slow, take the wrong lines and crash at just about every corner. They apologise when they take others out and try to take evasive action when being lapped but the basic skill required at this level just isn't there. I wouldn't dream of reporting them as I don't see it as malicious. I just don't know how they managed to get the license. Maybe they just raced on the STCC1 servers 24 hrs a day but you would think their proficiency would have improved with all that practise. Doesn't seem to have worked out that way though. Must be rant night :)

[Becky Rose]

Sheer perseveerance doesn't really pay off on the STCC servers with the way the points scoring system - but I suppose drivers who do perservere do ocassionally get a good result in amidst the other mess. I would imagine these are drivers that have a higher yellow flag than laps ratio, which i'm keen to restrict to tier 1 servers as soon as i'm happy the stats are ok.

Could you do me a favour please Swiss? Could you email/PM me some LFSW names of drivers who you think fall into this category so I can check their accident/laps ratio please?

EDIT: No direct action will be taken against the drivers as a consequence, I purely want to check their accident per laps ratio and see if the figures are in the region I expect them to be given what you describe.

[UsuL]

Thanks all for the reply :)

Just yesterday night I had another discussion with some drivers for the same attitude to give a little "push-away" and pass, did not reported, but I quit race 'couse i get angry and then wasn't able to race decently.

By the way, yesterday I was talking with my friend and STCC driver Desmoboss, we were thinking about the fact that Silver&Gold server is the most used: from silver licenced to platinum. There are really lot of drivers and the skill level is really different.
When I was silver liceced, I was really low level skilled, now I'm average, so there is a great difference of skill betwin who's just gained silver and who's platinum.
Perhaps it should be good to change a littlebit and have a "STCC Silver&Gold" and a "STCC Gold&Platinum", with same cars/track, in this way who's already more experienced could race on "Gold&Platinum".

P.S.: Sorry for the crappy english ... :schwitz:

[Becky Rose]

The existing platinum server doesnt get used because it's configured for league use - but I have more servers coming very soon now. The new box has passed soak test and will be getting installed in a datacentre very soon, and with it will come more race servers.

However i'm cautious not to open too many too quickly and spread the driver base too thin. There's only so many people up for a race at any given time.

[danowat]

Also in the Silver&Gold server is the same since 10/15 days. Lot of "Wannabeahero" drivers get silver licence and now they are making me really angry with the well known "LamerBasedTecnique": "When there is a turn, use the car in front of you to brake".

I'm considering if I'll continue with STCC 'couse of them: I can't make more reports then races ... we need some admins to quickly solve problems with them. I was admin in my team server, (the FM's Oval Junkies), and there was no need to make long ban or so, just force the lamer on spect, say "Do again this shit and you'll be banned" and they were changing attitude.

By the way ... Live longer and lamer!

Ahhh......yes, I remember, it was you who was cursing about me being a wrecker yesterday luchtime, but you quit the server before I had a time to reply to you, if I may so, I will reply here.

1) I was clearly faster than you coming into the chicane, I had the inside line, maybe I should have yealded, maybe you should have, but neither of us did and it resulted in a crash, this was a racing incident, and IMO, neither are to blame.

2) I didn't say sorry because I was racing at work in my break on the mouse, when I am racing on mouse I can't type and race, that is the reason I didnt say sorry, else I would have done.

[Swiss_Tony]

Becky, where do I send the e-mail/PM. The options are switched off in you profile :shrug:

[Becky Rose]

Anti-Spam email link in bottom right: http://www.simtouringcarcup.com/contact.php

[fujiwara]

I would like to say that i'm very disapointed with some drivers running on this server.
I was yesterday before bed time on BL, and the server changed to 18 laps, with even 18 laps, there's people who cannot avoid crashing before T1 or crash in the strait, there are like 4 of 5 guys side by side on the strait, and suddenly everybody wants the same track spot.
I felt like i was in a jungle, not to mention some drivers that keeps talking and talking, crusing the car in track at low speeds, a total lack of respect for the blue flags :(:(.
That makes no fun racing like this.

[UsuL]

Ahhh......yes, I remember, it was you who was cursing about me being a wrecker yesterday luchtime, but you quit the server before I had a time to reply to you, if I may so, I will reply here.

1) I was clearly faster than you coming into the chicane, I had the inside line, maybe I should have yealded, maybe you should have, but neither of us did and it resulted in a crash, this was a racing incident, and IMO, neither are to blame.

2) I didn't say sorry because I was racing at work in my break on the mouse, when I am racing on mouse I can't type and race, that is the reason I didnt say sorry, else I would have done.

No it wasn't you :), it was two members of another team, ASR I think, D.O.C. and another one, that also reply with smile to me, after he crashed me.
The first one, DOC, he was faster, (FXO), so it was unfair to pass me in that way, there was no way to stay in front of him ... BUT ... his way to pass made me slow down and I've been get by his m8s ... I was slower on pure speed, but faster lines, after a couple of laps, kicking me was the only way to pass me and they did it. Don't know if it was intentional or not, did not reported only 'couse of that doubt.

Anyway I only hope that newcomers will be more "fair" in the future.

[Gentlefoot]

Ahhh......yes, I remember, it was you who was cursing about me being a wrecker yesterday luchtime, but you quit the server before I had a time to reply to you, if I may so, I will reply here.

1) I was clearly faster than you coming into the chicane, I had the inside line, maybe I should have yealded, maybe you should have, but neither of us did and it resulted in a crash, this was a racing incident, and IMO, neither are to blame.

2) I didn't say sorry because I was racing at work in my break on the mouse, when I am racing on mouse I can't type and race, that is the reason I didnt say sorry, else I would have done.


I know for a fact that Dan has excellent skills and is clean and fair. He has raced at the very top level of league racing in the ESL ERRC and he was able to hold his own. I would be very surprised if a driver had a valid complaint against him.

[danowat]

I know for a fact that Dan has excellent skills and is clean and fair. He has raced at the very top level of league racing in the ESL ERRC and he was able to hold his own. I would be very surprised if a driver had a valid complaint against him.

Valid? maybe not, but I bet my bottom dollar there are more than a few "reports" with my name on them :thumb:.

There is a huge difference between racing incidents, and outright bad driving and wrecking, trouble is, there are way too many people who don't understand the boundries between them, I have lost count of the amount of times I have been balled at for "wrecking" or ruining someones race :shrug:, where there is no fault to blame.

P.S. I am also racing (albeit slowly) in the ESL EU ESCC this season :thumb:

[Gentlefoot]

Valid? maybe not, but I bet my bottom dollar there are more than a few "reports" with my name on them :thumb:.

There is a huge difference between racing incidents, and outright bad driving and wrecking, trouble is, there are way too many people who don't understand the boundries between them, I have lost count of the amount of times I have been balled at for "wrecking" or ruining someones race :shrug:, where there is no fault to blame.

P.S. I am also racing (albeit slowly) in the ESL EU ESCC this season :thumb:

Know what you mean mate. It's mainly that people don't know how to give room and don't know when they've already lost the corner.

What cars are used in the EU ESCC then mate?

[Christian Held]

Hi.

I raced yesterday a bit on the STCC 1a I think and it was fun. Ok sometimes I've some difficulties but I give people room. If I don't know how to drive through a turn I spectate and watch how the other peeps are braking etc. worked fine yday.

Unfortunately most people brake very late and crash into your car. I learnt my lession. I try to be the last one on the server because I know that turn1 will seperate the field :(

But most of the drivers are nice and I had a brilliant fight with someone yesterday. It makes a lot of fun there :)

[SLIDE WAYZ]

i play alot in the STCC 1a server, well i have over the last few days and i barley ever finish a race.... not through any fault of my own tho.
T1 is always the worst cars behind u belive ur back bumper is thier brake.
over taking a car then enterting the next corner with them on your tail is another big problem reason being:
say ive just over taken a car, next corner arrives hes right on my tail. obviously he no's theres a bend and if i brake he cant do anything but hit me... commen sense would tell him ease off the throttle? brake a little?? but no so many times ive braked and the guy behind has gone straight into my back and caused me to spin....

if im following a person into a bend i loos off the throttle a little and touch the brakes that way i dont run into the back of them.
these are the 2 main reasons 1 i dont finish races all of the time, its getting really annoying. People need to use thier "look left and right" buttons alot more..

[Becky Rose]

Yeah I have trouble with STCC1 aswell. People moan about driving standards but dont report drivers who are below standard... :)

There are also things you can do to get through a race without incident, positioning your own car sensibly is a key race skill both in the sim race and the real race. You dont have to drive on the ragged edge, caution pays big reward when racing in a pack.

I have started many races in the midfield and not crashed. I've done this on all STCC tiers...

I know i'm not the most dazzlingly quick driver, I dont play on the servers half as much as the regulars, but i'm able to fight wheel to wheel and most of the time not crash. That isn't only because I only race against clean racers.

It's because I try to place my car and drive either in a manner that only gives the other driver the option of going where I want them too, or in a manner that allows me some margin for alternatives.

Sure, I sometimes find myself on opposite lock because i've been whacked harder than I expected, and yes I do have the odd accident.

If things are as bad as you suggest though, then the problem is most definately - without reservation - not entirely the fault of the other drivers.

That's no shame though, the great thing about sim racing is that it teaches race craft at a much faster rate than the real thing.

[jayhawk]

I like to start at the back of possible, because I can count on others smashing into each other, spinning out, etc. Just by doing that, I can usually move up to mid field. And I use my look left and right buttons constantly, and I am amazed by the antics of others when it comes to either the Fern Bay club or South City Classic chicanes. Basically on those servers, it is killed or be killed, survival of the fittest. There is no room for politeness, manners or gallantry. Do so and be dead last or unintentionally wreck.

I cannot wait to move onto Silver, though...

[SLIDE WAYZ]

trouble is, y should we report drivers for not being so good as another driver? they need to learn etc. sure ill report guys who ram me intentionally but as for people who are learning its not really that fair.
ive done a few track days in real life in my own car so i no the basics u gotta be constantly aware, im always checking my rear mirror and if the car behind me has dissapeard theres a good chance he will be at my side so i check my sides every few seconds untill they either over take or fall back.

[mcintyrej]

trouble is, y should we report drivers for not being so good as another driver? they need to learn etc. sure ill report guys who ram me intentionally but as for people who are learning its not really that fair.
ive done a few track days in real life in my own car so i no the basics u gotta be constantly aware, im always checking my rear mirror and if the car behind me has dissapeard theres a good chance he will be at my side so i check my sides every few seconds untill they either over take or fall back.

Yeah, but if a driver isn't so good and they know that themselves, why don't they go a little slower through the corner? Instead of flying past the braking points for T1 and crashing half the feild?

I understand not all new drivers do this, but there are quite alot that do.

[Becky Rose]

y should we report drivers for not being so good as another driver?
In STCC we have an educate rather than ban policy. Most servers, due to the nature of the beast, have the option to ban or let be. We have developed tools that let us keep track of our 10,000 drivers, we can keep notes, and we can send them messages at any time that they'll get when they next drive.

We're interested in the persistent offenders, those who continually effect the racing of others. We want to have the chance to educate them and make them better drivers.

For us banning is a last resort.