Tracks

[chanoman315]

I think this has been suggested before, anyway.
what lfs needs are real tracks, so the people can get more interested in this sim. So the race drivers can use it to practice a new track (track that they don't know in real life). This can be a great improvement in the Simraces world, LFS with this can be an unbeatable Simulator of races
And i know that having a track (a real one) costs money
Thanks

Only a suggestion

[RudolfR]

And that will attract people to buy lfs :nod:

[ajp71]

I think this has been suggested before, anyway.

IIRC someone did mention this a couple of years ago. Thanks for posting though had completely slipped from my memory :doh:

[geeman1]

I think this has been suggested before, anyway.You should have posted on a existing thread or better yet not post at all since, you didn't add anything to this subject.Only a suggestionThat just doesn't make it right.

[chanoman315]

And that will attract people to buy lfs :nod:


Yes!

[Zipppy]

we may see some dirt ovals, dirt arenas or full rally tracks. (snow physics, ice patches,etc.)

[Zachary Zoomy]

when I first played LFS I swore Blackwood was a real track. I also thought westhill looked like one two:)

[Blas89]

we may see some dirt ovals, dirt arenas or full rally tracks. (snow physics, ice patches,etc.)

I suggested a dirt oval a while ago :D

[Zipppy]

I was just mentoning it, not requesting

[Sketchyrollin564]

Ibtl!

[Urban_Eagle1]

Well since its been mentioned, theres no point but i was thinking of posting something like this anyway.
I wouldnt mind seeing Albert Park in Australia, its a good race track fast and flowing and always opens the F1 series whats not to like :D lol anyway guess since u cant have everything then its kinda pointless mentioning it but still real life tracks is always a good idea.

[Serbman]

More rally tracks, longer ones

[Dajmin]

Look at that - 12 posts til someone mentioned the Nord- http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/dajmin/Smilies/knight_huh.gif

The only system that would work to keep the servers populated and not have one person playing each new version of each new track is if the tracks were designed using a massive selection of pre-fabricated shapes (corners, elevation changes, etc*). That would mean the parts would just have to be rearranged when you joined a server (like autocross layouts are now) rather than everyone who plays having to download dozens of new files every time they join a server.

The problem with that system is that without an almost limitless choice of parts, you'd never really be able to create truly accurate tracks.

* I'm talking a handful of slider bars per track section (start/end elevation, start/end width, corner radius and shape) and obviously the ability to overlay those with variable sized potholes and dips. I imagine it'd be hellishly complicated.

[Sketchyrollin564]

More rally tracks, longer ones

I only have S1, so i dont know if theres more in S2, but we really do need more rally tracks. Theres one in blackwood, and two in fern bay. Neither are that exciting.

[bbman]

That's because they are RallyCROSS, not Rally tracks...

[Sketchyrollin564]

That's because they are RallyCROSS, not Rally tracks...

Um.... ?:really:

[KanseiDneova]

BIG difference, RallyCross, is four to five cars racing on a half pavement, half dirt track. Rally is point to point, one car at a time.

Cheers,
Matt.

[Sketchyrollin564]

I only have S1, so i dont know if theres more in S2, but we really do need more rallycross tracks. Theres one in blackwood, and two in fern bay. Neither are that exciting.

that better?

[Serbman]

BIG difference, RallyCross, is four to five cars racing on a half pavement, half dirt track. Rally is point to point, one car at a time.

Cheers,
Matt.
Well these 2 should be mixed and u get nice dirt track like in Gran turismo for example

[MAGGOT]

that better?

IMHO, yes, Rally is better than Rallycross. Much more difficult, much better drivers, better technology, better cars, more publicity is a plus (although it's still hard to come by in North America :( )

I'd love to see a proper tarmac rally in LFS. Tarmac rallies are always my favorites :D

[Hatemaker]

Yeah, I believe the only station in the U.S. that broadcasted WRC, or rally in any form, dropped all Rally, and I think F1, for more Nascar... :really: (DAMN YOU!!! *shakes fist*) Now where's a Euro who now happens to live in US supposed to get his fix of GOOD motorsports? :Eyecrazy:

[Fetzo]

IMHO, yes, Rally is better than Rallycross. Much more difficult, much better drivers, better technology, better cars, more publicity is a plus (although it's still hard to come by in North America :( )

I'd love to see a proper tarmac rally in LFS. Tarmac rallies are always my favorites :D

pfff, citroen is testing it's rally cars in the european rallycross championship BEFORE they use them in rallying (WRC). i don't think there are more sophisticated and faster rally cars out there than the ones they use in rallycross.

pls don't compare that amateur driving you call rallycross in north america with real (professional) rallycross.

petter solberg learned how to drive fast racing rallycross.

[duke_toaster]

MAGGOT - the top class of rallycross car is basically WRC cars ... with bigger holes in the air restrictors.

[KeiichiRX7]

pfff, citroen is testing it's rally cars in the european rallycross championship BEFORE they use them in rallying (WRC). i don't think there are more sophisticated and faster rally cars out there than the ones they use in rallycross.

pls don't compare that amateur driving you call rallycross in north america with real (professional) rallycross.

petter solberg learned how to drive fast racing rallycross.

do i sense a little hostility? :smileypul

[MAGGOT]

pfff, citroen is testing it's rally cars in the european rallycross championship BEFORE they use them in rallying (WRC). i don't think there are more sophisticated and faster rally cars out there than the ones they use in rallycross.

pls don't compare that amateur driving you call rallycross in north america with real (professional) rallycross.

petter solberg learned how to drive fast racing rallycross.

MAGGOT - the top class of rallycross car is basically WRC cars ... with bigger holes in the air restrictors.

My mistake; my exposure to rallycross and what I've heard from those who have been exposed to it is that is more of an amateur type of sport, or maybe "semi-pro."

For the record, though, just because WRC cars and some WRC drivers have taken part in rallycross does not mean that it is better, or more difficult, etc. (not saying thats what you were saying, though) The fact remains that those cars and those drivers are in the WRC, not still in rallycross. That does count for something. It's like saying Tony Stewart used to race midgets, so midgets are top dogs too.

BUT, I do see what you mean. Still, I think rally trumps rallycross, by quite a margin.... Especially tarmac rallies. :)

pls don't compare that amateur driving you call rallycross in north america with real (professional) rallycross.

Who said anything about North America? All the Rally-X I've ever seen is from Europe. I'd appreciate that you don't use a condescending tone towards myself, or my continent, as well.

[Sketchyrollin564]

Well these 2 should be mixed and u get nice dirt track like in Gran turismo for example

Thank you.
I know im about to get flamed, because i know a lot of people here seem to absolutley hate GT4 because its not as realistic as Enthusia, but its still an amazing game. And yeah, i had countless hours of fun the other day just racing the Subaru Ralley car, on only TWO "rally" tracks in GT4.

A lot of the origional tracks (meaning, not real life tracks, but designed for the game... like LFS), are REALLY nice in GT. I personaly like Tahiti (rally), trial mountain, el capitan, and grand valley, alot.



Anywyas, it wont be long tillt his thread gets locked
It also hope its not long till we get a proper rallycross track:thumb:

[Fetzo]

i didn't mean to offend a whole continent by saying that the scca is just not compareable to the original rallycross in europe. sorry for that. the vids i saw looked like amateur events, maybe i saw the wrong ones :).

as is said, citroen is developing its rallycars in the erc. basically the cars are lighter, more powerfull wrcs.

that the best drivers advance to leagues where more money can be earned is natural. certainly the best rallydrivers race in wrc.

i am a little puzzled though, if you where referring to the european rallycross how do you get those ideas you had about the cars?

rallying and track racing (which rallycross is), is just not compareable. you can't say one thing is more difficult than the other. the first one is about going as fast as you can without dying, the second one is about driving a short track perfectly and fighting against opponents.

again, sorry about the aggressiveness. i think it was 50% the language barrier and 50% that most of the guys who "dis" rallycross don't even know what rx really is.

and yes, i definately would like to see some decent rx tracks in lfs too. but more important would be a division 1 car for me.

[MAGGOT]

I wasn't dissing rally-x; I quite like it actually. I was just expressing my opinions on the two (namely, rally>rallycross ;))

I had never mentioned SCCA in my posts though, so I'm not sure where you got that idea from. Yes, SCCA is mostly amateur and semi pro racing. I never knew SCCA did Rallycross, actually. I know there is a rally series, but I didn't know of a rallycross series. I'll have to check it out.

"if you where referring to the european rallycross how do you get those ideas you had about the cars?"

From what I have seen of rallycross (like I said, I haven't had a lot of exposure to it) it was mostly all cars that look like back-yard built machines. They don't look like professionally engineered vehicles, they look more like bangers. Old model cars with extensive modifications; not factory backed efforts with latemodel cars. But, like I said, I have have a limited exposure to it. (Geographical barrier I guess ;) )

No hard feelings :)

[Fetzo]

well i am still not sure we are really talking about the same cars here.

just some examples of rx cars used in the european championship:

http://www.hansen-motorsport.se/kenneth_xsarawrc.asp
http://www.pailler-competition.com/presentation/accueil.php?action=voiture
http://www.toveksracing.se/swedish%20files/bil.htm
http://www.jernberg-motorsport.se/English/innerpages/106BILEN.htm
http://www.vollandracing.de/rolfvolland/skodafabia/index.html


i don't want to sound like a smartass here, but really don't think you are reffering to the european rallycross championship.

[duke_toaster]

SCCA RallyCross is basically autocross (which is actually not called that. It's really called autotest) but in a field.

(Real) Rallycross is rally cars on a closed circuit that's part mud part dirt.

[MAGGOT]

well i am still not sure we are really talking about the same cars here.

just some examples of rx cars used in the european championship:

http://www.hansen-motorsport.se/kenneth_xsarawrc.asp
http://www.pailler-competition.com/presentation/accueil.php?action=voiture
http://www.toveksracing.se/swedish%20files/bil.htm
http://www.jernberg-motorsport.se/English/innerpages/106BILEN.htm
http://www.vollandracing.de/rolfvolland/skodafabia/index.html (http://www.vollandracing.de/rolfvolland/skodafabia/index.html)


Ah, these I've never seen.

i don't want to sound like a smartass here, but really don't think you are reffering to the european rallycross championship.

I never said I was ;) I just said European.

[Gimpster]

I think this has been suggested before, anyway.
what lfs needs are real tracks, so the people can get more interested in this sim. So the race drivers can use it to practice a new track (track that they don't know in real life). This can be a great improvement in the Simraces world, LFS with this can be an unbeatable Simulator of races
And i know that having a track (a real one) costs money
Thanks

Only a suggestion

Since this thread has been completely derailed from its original idea I am going to drag it back on topic.

I will agree with the OP that with the level of realism LFS has attained and is likely to attain in the future having real Tracks & Cars or the ability to build them and place them in to LFS could elevate LFS from its current small nitch market of Sim racers and thrust it in to the light of the real racing comunity.

With the right content or the ablity to add content this sim could become a very real and effectice suplimental training tool for racing teams, racing schools and driving schools. This sim over any other has comtributed to my understanding of vehicle dynamics and car control. Its has proven to be a very valuable tool for me personaly.

Its definatly somthing the Devs should consider. The MRT and RAC are both small steps in to this idea and have proved to be a sucessfull venture. I do not see why more could not follow in the future. The DP1 looks to be a nice logical next step. After that maybe the comunity needs to start looking at and contacting other small vehicle manufactures and local tracks. Opening the lines of comunication is the first step.

nKPro is already heading down this road. SimBin has already made some good inroads but is currently locked to a poor base sim to build on. There are others to and if LFS ignores this new potential market it may never reatch its full potential.