LRF Server

[Becky Rose]

STCC has opened an LRF server as a trial, the server requires a platinum STCC race license and has restricted driver aids. It can be found here: STCC3b Event 2 Platinum (lfs://|STCC%203b%20Event%202%20&%20Platinum|0|S2|/).

[LFSn00b]

:thumb: So i can beat everyone in a RAC :D

[james12s]

wtf is lrf

[joen]

wtf is lrf

LX, RAC and FZ50

[herki]

Bah. Now I have a reason not to stay with silver :tilt:
This is gonna be tiresome :p

[Fetzo]

platinum!?

too bad, that i don't have the time to race that much. isn't gold enough to prove my racing qualities or is this just a reward for endurance?

[Bean0]

Hmmmm, interesting :smileypul

[Shotglass]

will this replace the lrf club server ?

[Kajojek(PL)]

:thumb: So i can beat everyone in a RAC :D
Sure you will... :shrug: Sorry but Im just tired of you constantly bragging about your driving skills and how great you and your team is, and also about your unofficial wr on some rally track which was probably done by being pushed by a faster car or cutting. In my eyes, youre just a little gloater who cant drive a single car. Not saying that Im good either but atleast I dont pretend to be whenever I can.

Sorry all for my post but im just fed up with this "Oh ahh I'm soooo good, I will beat everybody, ohhh ahhh my team is sooo great."

[th84]

Sure you will... :shrug: Sorry but Im just tired of you constantly bragging about your driving skills and how great your team is, and also about your unofficial wr on some rally track which was probably done by being pushed by a faster car or cutting. In my eyes, youre a little gloater who thinks he's great.


Sorry all for my post but im just fed up with this "Oh ahh I'm soooo good, I will beat everybody, ohhh ahhh my team is sooo great."


:wow:


kajojek---------> :slap:<----------lfsnoob

[SamH]

will this replace the lrf club server ?
This is completely separate from the Odd Compo server group. That's a UKCT initiative, although I think it's going to get pulled shortly. I said I'd try it out to see the response, and I have :)

[thisnameistaken]

In my eyes, youre just a little gloater who cant drive a single car. Not saying that Im good either but atleast I dont pretend to be whenever I can.

Maybe he's doing the "Reverse Kev", an ironic declaration of superiority? :shrug:

But to be honest I still am shit, I just got lucky and hammered a few quite quick people lately. :D

This is completely separate from the Odd Compo server group. That's a UKCT initiative, although I think it's going to get pulled shortly. I said I'd try it out to see the response, and I have :)

It's nice to see the LRFs getting a go, but it's a shame it requires time spent dedicated to the FXO to get a go. I would imagine most LRF fans (if they're anything like me anyway) probably find the FXO one of the least interesting cars in the sim.

[SamH]

It's nice to see the LRFs getting a go, but it's a shame it requires time spent dedicated to the FXO to get a go. I would imagine most LRF fans (if they're anything like me anyway) probably find the FXO one of the least interesting cars in the sim.
The OCC LRF server didn't need a special licence to run, but never got visited. I did kinda predict that, though ;)

On the STCC, you're better off never getting in an FXO, if you want a Platinum licence. XRT gets you 5x the point score. The RB4 gets you 4x points.

I hope this server takes off. I like the LX6 a lot. Platinum licence holders do kick ass as drivers. Don't take my word for it.. if you don't believe me, just ask one of them :tilt:

[Shotglass]

This is completely separate from the Odd Compo server group. That's a UKCT initiative, although I think it's going to get pulled shortly. I said I'd try it out to see the response, and I have :)

didnt either becky or you post at some time that you had an idea to make them more popular ?
i dont fancy the idea that i have to level (which i hate) for quite a while only to get into what might become the only lrf server with a userbase larger than 2

[thisnameistaken]

The OCC LRF server didn't need a special licence to run, but never got visited. I did kinda predict that, though ;)

I haven't been online much lately, been depressingly busy with work. :(

On the STCC, you're better off never getting in an FXO, if you want a Platinum licence. XRT gets you 5x the point score. The RB4 gets you 4x points.

I was of the understanding that the FXO was the only car you could drive if you had a "silver" license. I got as far as that license, found out I had to drive the FXO and promptly packed the whole thing in.

I hope this server takes off. I like the LX6 a lot. Platinum licence holders do kick ass as drivers. Don't take my word for it.. if you don't believe me, just ask one of them :tilt:

I'm a big LX fan as I'm sure you know, so I'll be pissed off to discover that there's finally a busy LX6 server but I'm not allowed on it because I didn't want to race the FXO or take part in the MMO game that's been running lately due to personal differences with the proprietor.

I should just **** this sim off now.

[SamH]

didnt either becky or you post at some time that you had an idea to make them more popular ?
i dont fancy the idea that i have to level (which i hate) for quite a while only to get into what might become the only lrf server with a userbase larger than 2
Yep, we did have a plan to basically build up the Odd Compo server group to run a weekly competition.. but not like the STCC , because there was never any plan to restrict access or reward success (save for an announcement at the beginning of every race about last week's winner and a website given over to a history of "names in lights").

The API has been coded and the database has been created, and is ready to receive data but Becky has been very busy of late, and so the project has rightly taken a back seat. But because the servers have sat completely empty apart from the UKCT drivers I've bullied into joining me, with just about nobody being interested no matter how long I sat in there on my own, the project is all but defunkt anyway, and I've not bothered to nag Becky about the .exe.
I was of the understanding that the FXO was the only car you could drive if you had a "silver" license. I got as far as that license, found out I had to drive the FXO and promptly packed the whole thing in.
It was, earlier on in the project, but we were inundated with an email asking if we'd reassess the points system in the Silver & Gold. We did, and we changed it. The change was thoroughly covered in another thread that probably got deleted.

[Kajojek(PL)]

Maybe he's doing the "Reverse Kev", an ironic declaration of superiority? :shrug:

But to be honest I still am shit, I just got lucky and hammered a few quite quick people lately. :D
Of course youre shit, everybody knows that!.......... [pause]......... "NOT!!!" :D

Maybe he is doing an ironic declaration but for how long will it continue? It's just getting boring. :shrug: Also his claims about driving lancer 200 kmph and about getting drunk few times.... meh, dont feel like commenting it.

[axus]

Nice! Well I'd best get myself that platinum license... Just make sure Aston Historic Rev is one of the combos. ;) That track rules in an LX6.

[Becky Rose]

I will tweak this server soon to allow access to lower licenses with some cars. I am not overtly familiar with the LRF cars aside from safety car driving so I need to put some thought in and check some stats etc before I set all that up. Atm the server is there with settings that allowed us to use it as an event server, but the system allows me to run multiple configs for different cars so it's not a problem.

I didn't want to race the FXO or take part in the MMO game that's been running lately due to personal differences with the proprietor.
So you are telling me I should not open an LRF server and try to make it popular because you dont like me?

Why the hell are you even posting? The door is over there.

I've seen you on the servers several times btw, I didn't say or do anything to interfere with your enjoyment to my knowledge: Kev's "I dont go to those servers because I hate Becky" race license (http://license.ukct.net/licence.asp?lfsUser=thisnameistaken)

[Becky Rose]

Looking at a sample of WR's it seems to me that the LX6 is fastest, and the RAC and FZ5 are about even. I am therefor considering the following setup.

LX6: Platinum License
RAC: Gold License
FZ5: Gold License

As a trial, i'll consider putting LX4's in there too with a Silver License and a big points multiplyer. Likewise the LX6 will have a smaller multiplyer than the other cars. I'll allow driving aids on the LX4.

How does this sound?

[Bean0]

Sounds OK to me, it's easy enough to change in the future if needed isn't it ?

Will you be banning TC in the FZ50 ?

[Becky Rose]

Looking at the WR's it seems comparable to the RAC with it on, should it not stay?

As I mentioned earlier i'm no expert in these cars, so i'll take a community lead on that. If you want it banned i'll look into the insim functionality to achieve it.

[Bob Smith]

The FZ50 really doesn't need TC (IMO). It's more of a hindrance from having fun than anything else.

[herki]

Looking at a sample of WR's it seems to me that the LX6 is fastest, and the RAC and FZ5 are about even. I am therefor considering the following setup.

LX6: Platinum License
RAC: Gold License
FZ5: Gold License

As a trial, i'll consider putting LX4's in there too with a Silver License and a big points multiplyer. Likewise the LX6 will have a smaller multiplyer than the other cars. I'll allow driving aids on the LX4.

How does this sound?

good apart from the red part ;)

Bean0: Bean0 <-- wow, gratulations :)

[Hyperactive]

Sounds good now with the possibility to drive with gold lisence :thumb:

The RA is defenately the slowest (and hardest) while LX6 is usually the fastest with easiest to drive-consistantly tire and fuel consumption. The RA eats tires fast if you let it slide and the FZ50 usually heats the rear tires quite fast as well. In short races the LX6 is always the car to beat, however with fast people in FZ50s the races can be quite close. The RA is usually not able to keep up, sadly. :/

[Bean0]

good apart from the red part ;)

Bean0: Bean0 <-- wow, gratulations :)

I hadn't noticed that part about aids...Ban them, ban them all *Evil Laughter*

Cheers Herki, it took some doing :)

[axus]

+5000 for the LX4 idea, then FWD haters like myself don't even have to touch the FXO. :thumb:

[Becky Rose]

Maybe I should allow RAC to drive without throttle cut on upshift in order to help balance it with the FZ5 a little?

[Bean0]

+5000 for the LX4 idea, then FWD haters like myself don't even have to touch the FXO. :thumb:

On the STCC, you're better off never getting in an FXO, if you want a Platinum licence. XRT gets you 5x the point score. The RB4 gets you 4x points.

You don't need to drive the FXO at all, and you'll get more points towards the next license using the RB4 or XRT anyway.

I got my Gold using the XRG, as there weren't many Silver racers to race against at the time, then used the XRT to get to the dizzy heights of Titanium, except the odd go in an RB4 on the Rallyx tracks, and 1 or 2 races in an FXO when it was the track for a forthcoming STCC event.

[Becky Rose]

Whilst it's true you dont have to drive the FXO at all, and indeed, you get more points if you dont. Currently you still have to compete against them - although in fairness FXO's seem quite rare now as not only do you need the better license but also the FXO has all the driving aids banned on STCC2, whereas the XRT and RB4 dont. This has made the FXO a quite rare sight :).

[Bean0]

Maybe I should allow RAC to drive without throttle cut on upshift in order to help balance it with the FZ5 a little?

In the Roadsport Summer Cup last year, I'm pretty sure that the nimbleness of the RAC more than made up for the extra grunt of the FZ50 in a proper racing situation.

[thisnameistaken]

Why the hell are you even posting? The door is over there.

Here we go again...

I've seen you on the servers several times btw, I didn't say or do anything to interfere with your enjoyment to my knowledge: Kev's "I dont go to those servers because I hate Becky" race license (http://license.ukct.net/licence.asp?lfsUser=thisnameistaken)

I mentioned that I'd been on your servers and went as far as the silver license in the same post that you quoted and replied to (http://www.lfsforum.net/showpost.php?p=342461&postcount=15). If you'd just glanced up about an inch you could've saved yourself some typing.

[Becky Rose]

So if you do go on STCC servers, and you do like LX racing, why are you complaining that i'm opening a server for you?

[thisnameistaken]

I don't go on STCC servers. I think it's a couple of months or so since I last joined one.

Anyway I don't want another argument, it was just a drunken observation.

[LFSn00b]

Sure you will... :shrug: Sorry but Im just tired of you constantly bragging about your driving skills and how great you and your team is, and also about your unofficial wr on some rally track which was probably done by being pushed by a faster car or cutting. In my eyes, youre just a little gloater who cant drive a single car. Not saying that Im good either but atleast I dont pretend to be whenever I can.

Sorry all for my post but im just fed up with this "Oh ahh I'm soooo good, I will beat everybody, ohhh ahhh my team is sooo great."
I want to say, i've always said that i'm not the best driver on earth. :shrug:
And i was just joking about the RAC thing.

I just try my best on the tracks and i always try to have some fun. I'm not a wrecker. But yes, my name is a little noob-ish... But it doesn't mean that am i fast. But i am not the fastest.

And i can drive the RAC well imo.
Just my opinion.


We don't have to be friends - Fine.

EDIT: I have never said that my team is the best.

[Becky Rose]

*sigh*

What can I do?

*bangs head against wall*

-*-

In any case, i'm not going to close the server on the strength of your complaint Kev - especially as you self proclaim not to even go on the STCC servers and state that you do not like me - so why the hell should I respond by closing the server for you?

I will do what I think is best, and as of now, that means ignoring your issues.

[thisnameistaken]

In any case, i'm not going to close the server on the strength of your complaint Kev - especially as you self proclaim not to even go on the STCC servers and state that you do not like me - so why the hell should I respond by closing the server for you?

It wasn't a complaint and I didn't ask you to close your server. It was merely an observation as I stated in my last reply, expressing frustration at rarely being able to find good races online. Nor did I state that I don't like you, I said we had "personal differences" which was a nice way of saying that you apparently haven't yet got over your sulk with me from last August over your "companion" add-on thread and you probably never will.

Just wanted to clear that up. I honestly don't want another argument!

Edit: I won't respond again because I just spotted my kewl post count.

My gripe with you is purely the fact any discussion of what implementation of the server, what licenses to use with each car, what driver aids to allow, is overwhelmed by you stating 'its an MMO - no I must not play - omfgzor i'll be addicted to WoW by the back door - Ngnnnnnuuurgh Becky is evil', and yet another thread mentioning STCC going downhill.

The above (below!) is a strange response. I've already explained the motivation behind my post from last night so there's really no reason to quote and respond to that post, rather than my more recent replies is there? I am flattered that you believe I can overwhelm you with one drunken, barely-coherent post, though.

You seem predisposed to believe that every post I make is an attack on you. Even when I was sending you PMs with the best of intentions last year you took it the wrong way and threw it back in my face. That's why I assume you're still sulking about that thread from last August where I asked you a simple question and you bit my head off. :shrug:

[Becky Rose]

I'm a big LX fan as I'm sure you know, so I'll be pissed off to discover that there's finally a busy LX6 server but I'm not allowed on it because I didn't want to race the FXO or take part in the MMO game that's been running lately due to personal differences with the proprietor.

I should just **** this sim off now.
It appears that you are the one who is, and i'm sorry for swearing but I must quote, "pissed off".

My gripe with you is purely the fact any discussion of what implementation of the server, what licenses to use with each car, what driver aids to allow, is overwhelmed by you stating 'its an MMO - no I must not play - omfgzor i'll be addicted to WoW by the back door - Ngnnnnnuuurgh Becky is evil', and yet another thread mentioning STCC going downhill.

Honestly, trying to do good things for this community is like trying to put out the Great Fire of London, "Yes stop the fire from spreading by demolishing houses in the path of the fire, just not MY house you evil right wing tree hugging liberal in comfortable shoes!".

[danowat]

It IS a good idea, and if it gives the community a populated LRF server, something which LFS DOES need, then so be it.

Yes, I have had issues with STCC in past, and yes things were said, but lets let bygones be bygones shall we?.

Thanks for the implementation of the LRF server, I appreciate it, those that want to use it can, those that don't have the option not to use it.

I know I said before I wouldn't use STCC servers, but they DO give good, populated racing, so I swallow my pride and use them while I still can.

Bottomline, I want fun, busy racing, and if I have to go to the STCC servers to get it, that's what I'll do.

As for TC, should be outlawed on the FZ50, in the Road sport cup I ran last year, it was competitive, and in the hands of some devasting, to the RAC's, the idea of allowing Silver holders to race the LX4 is also a GOOD idea.

[Kajojek(PL)]

I want to say, i've always said that i'm not the best driver on earth. :shrug:
And i was just joking about the RAC thing.

I just try my best on the tracks and i always try to have some fun. I'm not a wrecker. But yes, my name is a little noob-ish... But it doesn't mean that am i fast. But i am not the fastest.

And i can drive the RAC well imo.
Just my opinion.


We don't have to be friends - Fine.

EDIT: I have never said that my team is the best.
Showing off what you can do with paint, if you use it correctly ;)
Yes this is sooo great.... :|
Castrol Racing is always looking for a new racers, we already have 1 unofficial WR holder :)
If you did it then why dont you make a hotlap and upload it? If you have no proof of it then why brag about it?

You'll see the day when i overtake you... ;)
Am i the only one who can drive in So Sprint 2... Properly?
Not sure what you mean, but as I look at your stats I can beat you with everycar. Driving 7 seconds off wr doesnt mean you know how to drive it.
And as i drive a kart for fun, and my Lancer for fun. The kart is like MRT and my Lancer is like XFG.
Lancer compared to XFG -> Almost the same physics :)
Kart compared to MRT -> I dunno, they are...
You dont even know what youre talking about here.
Castrol Racing is searching for new members, who can drive FXRs. We are going to enter Masters of Endurance soon :) Drop me a PM if you are interested, and if you have MSN, put it in the post also :)
Wow, you think youre ready to drive in one of the hardest and fastest league in lfs? Good luck but Im sure the same thing will happen to your team as to Oxygen Racing. (They were about 25 laps behind the xfr in big gtr's :D)

There are many more stupid posts made by you but I dont feel like searching through your spam. You can find a lot of crap I posted too! But I finally stopped, as I realized it's worthless and you can barely see me post these days. Hehe if you spent so much time playing lfs as you spend on this forum then I think you would be faster than whole Mercury or Cyber all included. :D

Oki so you say you drive RAC well, even though I hate this car I can race you with it on any combo except rally and see if you really drive it well. ;]

BTW: Who said we were friends before? :>

[Becky Rose]

I have had issues with STCC in past
I'm loosing track of my enemies... ! :D

[danowat]

I'm loosing track of my enemies... ! :D

I think "enemy" is a bit strong, but as I said before, lets let bygones be bygones :shrug:.

[Bean0]

http://suprfile.com/src/1/60dlmmu/thread_direction.gif

:hidesbehi

[danowat]

http://suprfile.com/src/1/60dlmmu/thread_direction.gif

:hidesbehi

Yeah, this is the FIRST time it's ever happened on the LFS forum.............:scratchch

A thread going off topic?.........on the LFS forum?............with it's reputation?.............

[james12s]

i think people should just leave becky alone she puts all of her spare time in to organising and running the stcc and all she gets is people moaning at here
you are doing a great job keep up the good work and a big thank you from me

[Blackout]

Pff, you haven't seen a thread going off-topic before you've visited the ASS forums I tell you!

Anyway, kinda like the idea and I hope the server gets popular as nobody ever drives those cars! Although I have to get myself a (higher) license, well maybe getting that will be easier if we really don't have to drive the FXO :)

[Shotglass]

how about
rac: silver
fz5: gold
lx6: platinum

the rac should be hard enough to drive easily figure out which silver newbies are suited for the server while still giving those with little interest in leveling quick access to the server

[Becky Rose]

A new configuration has been uploaded, the server accepts silver licensed drivers and will be renamed soon to reflect that (but I need the admins to restart everything for the name change to come into effect).

[szyszek]

SWEET! I very much like the idea of the LRF class! Sadly I can't tonight, but I'll definitely give it a try tommorow!

[keithano]

Tks becky. I love that.

Still I am a silver-licensed player coz I havent played long.. Would like to have a try on those cars :D:thumb:

[Becky Rose]

You can :) You can take the LX4 with silver and join in. The server will be renamed soon to reflect this at the moment it is misleading.

[Shotglass]

whats the point of driving an lx4 on an lrf server ?

[Da Hoe]

i dont get that driving aid thing.
i have to use autocut? why is that?

[danowat]

whats the point of driving an lx4 on an lrf server ?

LX4 can be more than competitive against a moderatly poorly driven LX6,RAC or FZ5.

LX4 can even be a match against a well driven LX6,RAC or FZ5 on the smaller tracks.

[Jakg]

i was actually beating an FZ5 with an LX4 on the server, it can be done

[axus]

Thanks for providing some support for us LX nuts, Becky. :thumb: Gonna give the server a try as soon as my internet is back in order. Bloody telkom.

[danowat]

i was actually beating an FZ5 with an LX4 on the server, it can be done

There you go, if Jak can do it, anyone can :scratchch :thumb:

[Jakg]

oh thanks!

Although tbh im horribly slow in RWD cars, although i think the FZ5 driver was too :D

[Blackout]

Well, on that track yesterday (SO sprint 2) LX4 actually has faster WR than the FZ50 and it's very close to RA too. So keeping those two behind there wasn't that super, keeping the LX6s behind was a bit more challenging and possible if they didn't start front of you :D

Anyway, my license status rocketed from silver to gold pretty easily as I could drive the LX4, good server :)

[Hyperactive]

Something strange happened yesterday on the LRF server while I was trying to drive the RA. First I had all the driving aids off (as usual) and the server didn't allow me to drive the RA without the throttle cut, so I enabled it and all was fine. Then, after the next race, I remembered that in RA you shouldn't need the throttle cut so I turned it off and the server was fine with it, until the next race started and I was put to spectate because I didn't have the throttle cut on...

So, do I need the throttle cut in RA or not? :)

[Becky Rose]

The server told you that you needed it, and wouldnt let you join. If you try to change it once in the car it will kick you at the start of the race, if you do it during the race it will ban you for 24 hours at the end of the race. It really does mean what it says :).

[Da Hoe]

i'd still like to know why. i'd understand that you dont allow driving aids, but why force one?

[Becky Rose]

Because it is an inverse aid. Engine damage modelling isn't complete in LFS - realistically you should be manually cutting the throttle but because engine damage in LFS is so forgiving everyone flat shifts instead. This isn't realistic, you should be shedding gears by doing it. To counter this the aid is forced on so that you have to flatshift. When LFS damage modelling is complete the aid will be forced off and then you'll have to cut your own throttle. :)

[Da Hoe]

uhm... i didnt drive that much in s2 yet, but in s1 flatshifting would have caused much damage to the xrt engine. it isnt like that anymore?

[danowat]

uhm... i didnt drive that much in s2 yet, but in s1 flatshifting would have caused much damage to the xrt engine. it isnt like that anymore?

Nope,engine damage in most cars is all but gone in the latest versions :shrug:

[Fetzo]

i still dont get it. i thought this license system was made to ensure the quality of the races on the servers. at least that was said.

has this changed? it seems like the lx6-bait is just used to get racers play more on the stcc servers. on the contrary i WOULD race much more if i am allowed to use that car.

handling a lx6 in a lrf race is much easier than a fz5.

p.s.:
i think ill try to get the points with rx races. the fz5 is awesome there :)

[Da Hoe]

ok, leave the damage then. in s1 lifting properly resulted in better lap times than flatshifting, in the cars which allowed that (mrt), cause the gear was "back in" faster like that. so you could allow lifting on the lrf server again as it's advantage for those who lift "real" :). and dont tell me now that it isnt like that anymore either. that automatic lifting really kills much of the fun for me (and not that i'm a "do it realistic or leave it" guy, i normally use autoblip but would practice to drive without to have nice races on the lrf server, as i'd understand a "no aids" rule).

edit: just got a lesson in irc that i'm talking bs about the "lifting is faster" stuff... so just ignore me. for me it always was like that though :(

[Hyperactive]

The server told you that you needed it, and wouldnt let you join. If you try to change it once in the car it will kick you at the start of the race, if you do it during the race it will ban you for 24 hours at the end of the race. It really does mean what it says :).

My bad english...

What I meant to say is that I drove at least one race with the throttle cut off and the server put me spectate in the start of the next race. This made me think about is it really forced in RA. And because of this :

Maybe I should allow RAC to drive without throttle cut on upshift in order to help balance it with the FZ5 a little?

So just to make sure, the RA "needs" the throttle upshift cut?

EDIT: ok :)

[Becky Rose]

Ah I see. Let me check the config, because I did allow one aid on the RAC until I get around to banning traction control (not sure if it's even possible yet tbh, havent got around to it).

Throttle cut is forced on for the RAC, throttle blip is allowed temporarily until the TC is switched off the FZ5.

Bear in mind last night I was still applying all these settings and sorting out a few teathing problems with the new car selections - so that might be why you slipped through.

[zeugnimod]

There you go, if Jak can do it, anyone can :scratchch :thumb:

oh thanks!

Although tbh im horribly slow in RWD cars...

:ices_rofl

Thats basically what he said. :D

[herki]

Ah I see. Let me check the config, because I did allow one aid on the RAC until I get around to banning traction control (not sure if it's even possible yet tbh, havent got around to it).

Throttle cut is forced on for the RAC, throttle blip is allowed temporarily until the TC is switched off the FZ5.

Bear in mind last night I was still applying all these settings and sorting out a few teathing problems with the new car selections - so that might be why you slipped through.

Maybe you can allow TC and/or Throttle Blip on the FZ and allow not to use throttle cut on the RA. Especially with a clutch pedal and a shifter throttle cut feels tottally wrong, and I personally don't to be forced to use driving "aids". I know this doesn't affect me (yet), but when it finally will, I would be forced to drive for my taste way too heavy FZ :(

[Becky Rose]

Flatshifting is totally unrealistic, when LFS sorts out engine damage we'll force the aid off on STCC, until drivers have to manually come off the throttle for fear of damage or diff slip and so on the aid will come off the throttle for them. Just one more step away from arcade games.

[Doorman]

Flatshifting is totally unrealistic, when LFS sorts out engine damage we'll force the aid off on STCC, until drivers have to manually come off the throttle for fear of damage or diff slip and so on the aid will come off the throttle for them. Just one more step away from arcade games.
This last post has just made the penny drop. :doh: When you flat shift using a clutch and shifter, you don't do it very often! The noise is horrendous. Also the very real chance of missing a shift while your foot is on the boards doesn't bear thinking about. :schwitz: I'm never likely to go on your server because of the 'leveling up' stuff, but a good move on your part I'd say.:thumb:

[Becky Rose]

The purpose isn't really to 'level' up or have 'mmorg' style races, but to provide a clean racing environment for good racers. This is why the system is so biased towards the quick drivers. When people looks at the STCC system as 'leveling' or akin to an MMO it implies that even slow people will eventually get through. They shouldn't though, it really is biased toward the faster drivers - and then the admins and reporting system is there to keep it clean.

[herki]

Just one more step away from arcade games.

Not in my opinion. Being forced to have a driving aid on is a step to arcarde games (almost every arcarde game uses forced throttle-cuts). I understand your point well, that you want to ban flatshifting, but you actually can do it in real life. You won't because it increases wear&tear of almost everything under the hood. But the engine damage we currently get for it should be ok, remember, cars have rev-limiters :p
The thing which is not fine is the gearbox damage, mostly because it's not even there yet.
With forcing driving aids on, you don't increase realism, you in fact decrease it. Have you tried driving with a clutch&shifter with throttle cut on yet? It feels so wrong. Plus throttle cut ruins the one benefit of having a manual clutch: The ability to shift faster than the autoclutch people.
Could you at least detect via InSim, if a client uses manual clutch or a shifter, so you could disable forced throttle cut for them, as those players tend not to flatshift anyway?

[Becky Rose]

It already does detect for a manual clutch Herki. The only people forced to have the aid on are those using auto-clutch. It even tells you this when trying to race without it.

Not in my opinion. Being forced to have a driving aid on is a step to arcarde games
This isn't a driving aid that is forced on, forcing people to use it is in actual fact disabling a driving aid advantage. It's a backwards aid, at least until we get better damage modelling.

[herki]

It already does detect for a manual clutch Herki. The only people forced to have the aid on are those using auto-clutch. It even tells you this when trying to race without it.

Oh, must have missed that somewhere in the topic. Still couldn't try online yet, I simply have to much stuff to do at the moment. Oh well, I hope the server still exists when I have spare time left :)

[Shotglass]

It already does detect for a manual clutch Herki. The only people forced to have the aid on are those using auto-clutch. It even tells you this when trying to race without it.

so button clutch would be quicker and allow you to flatshift ?

[Becky Rose]

Button clutch would allow you to flat shift, but quicker? That's down to [the rest of this post was mis-shifted].

[Shotglass]

Button clutch would allow you to flat shift, but quicker? That's down to [the rest of this post was mis-shifted].

iirc button clutch is still quicker than auto clutch
plus it would allow you to not use auto blip under your regulations if i understood you correctly

[dawesdust_12]

Thats one of the things about clutch, you could script it, but why would you when if you get good with the clutch it can be just as fast as autoclutch, and sometimes even faster, being able to use it to gain a nice torque boost at the right part of a corner.

[Shotglass]

i dont think theres many who actually script the clutch but there were (maybe are) a few really quick ones who gain a little advantage by using a button clutch which doesnt really require much skill in either driving or scripting

[ajp71]

I personally have encountered a few problems with the new LRF server.

1. These are the cars I've wanted to race the most for so long but I have stopped bothering checking the LRF filter because there are never any serious servers for them. Sadly it seems the STCC has missed this fact out and still very few people know about it, why doesn't the license page mention its existence and an ad for it on the other STCC servers wouldn't go a miss.

2. I don't like being forced to use the upshift cut, for me it actually makes it easier because I always manually lift anyway.

3. Please for the love of god stop putting random objects on the side of the track to stop people cutting corners (AS North rev) I very rarely see people cut corners and I'd rather go to the bother of uploading their replays to avoid having to have a pile of random objects parked at the side of the track, for me it just ruins the immersion.

[Hyperactive]

I personally have encountered a few problems with the new LRF server.

1. These are the cars I've wanted to race the most for so long but I have stopped bothering checking the LRF filter because there are never any serious servers for them. Sadly it seems the STCC has missed this fact out and still very few people know about it, why doesn't the license page mention its existence and an ad for it on the other STCC servers wouldn't go a miss.

2. I don't like being forced to use the upshift cut, for me it actually makes it easier because I always manually lift anyway.

3. Please for the love of god stop putting random objects on the side of the track to stop people cutting corners (AS North rev) I very rarely see people cut corners and I'd rather go to the bother of uploading their replays to avoid having to have a pile of random objects parked at the side of the track, for me it just ruins the immersion.

Without even having seen the AS north layout I kinda disagree with you. With layout objects it is possible to limit cutting on some tracks, to make sure people drive on the track based on the tracks' layout, not the line based on chance of gaining time by driving through corners. The best example of this is the Kyoto chicane (on Kyoto long) which is at the same time a hard corner, a fast corner and a corner where you can easily shave a lot of time by just driving "through".

I really like what Becky did to the Fe green rev track on stcc server (if the layout is still in use). It is too bad that LFS doesn't have any good solid objects that don't launch you to the skies and don't move...

I say bring on the layouts. 100% support here. It is even possible to make Fern bay tracks bearable with layouts :D

[ajp71]

@Hyperactive - AS North rev is different the first random pile of objects are on the inside of T1 where the only possible explanation for ending up in the cutting line is deliberate action, it would never be the line you'd take from over cooking it or avoiding a crash, from what I saw the corner has tires, hay bales, marshals, and red/white barriers when all it really needs is a restricted zone (non-visible) and maybe a few tires marking the fact it's a no go zone, which should be bloody obvious.

[Hyperactive]

These pics are from AS7 (not rev) and I agree that it is a bit overkill :D

I guess the biggest issue may be the lower framerates for older computers but I don't mind really. Hard to cut that last corner though :p

[SamH]

hehe.. I made those, but there is method in the madness, honest! :razz:

Most people don't even think of cutting, but it only takes one git to ruin the track record and everyone else is disadvantaged. Points get hiked a lot if you're within spitting distance of the track record.. one person cheats, and nobody gets their extra points.

The reason for the hay is that it's the best way of stopping cheats cutting while sandtrapping people who run wide. We did a lot of experimenting, and hay does a good job of damping down an accident-in-progress without too much damage. The easiest alternative is a marshal, but that's harsh on people who just goof up on a corner and run wide.

If anyone has suffered framerate drop to the point that it's detrimental to their race, I'll take them out. Nobody's ever mentioned it, except theorizing it COULD happen. My card does suffer graphic lag - 3x in STCC events so far - but never because of the extra objects, only high-res car skins.

I'm up for removing them if needed, but though it looks like overkill, it wasn't done in a moment of insanity, I swear :)

[Shotglass]

Most people don't even think of cutting, but it only takes one git to ruin the track record and everyone else is disadvantaged.

couldnt you do some sanity check on the track records against the wr to not let cheaters set one ? i doubt anybody who has the cheek to cut these corners at aston will think about cutting them in such a way that he wont be too far below the wr

[Becky Rose]

That's difficult shotglass, many league drivers routinely beat the WR until we messed up the driver aids for them - some combo's the WR's really aren't that good, and just what percentage should be permissable? It depends how good the WR is...

Sadly it seems the STCC has missed this fact out and still very few people know about it, why doesn't the license page mention its existence and an ad for it on the other STCC servers wouldn't go a miss.
I cannot post in general, where general news about LFS online racing usually goes. As far as these forums are concerned i'm only allowed to post in the leagues section. For the lack of publicity, thank Vykos. I will update the other stuff if the server stays - you'll have to excuse my priorities but I needed to write an entire application in a day...

2. I don't like being forced to use the upshift cut, for me it actually makes it easier because I always manually lift anyway.
If I turn it off everyone will flatshift, people using shifters will be disadvantaged again (they still are, but i'm doing what I can). I will force this aid off when LFS puts in a penalty for flatshifting. It's not an arcade game.

3. Please for the love of god stop putting random objects on the side of the track to stop people cutting corners (AS North rev) I very rarely see people cut corners and I'd rather go to the bother of uploading their replays to avoid having to have a pile of random objects parked at the side of the track, for me it just ruins the immersion.
I was on the server last night, I watched somebody rise from 20th to 1st in 2 laps at Kyoto National. I checked the replay and in those first 2 laps he did it all on the T1 complex. I returned to the server and told the driver I was setting his points to 0. He told me there is no rule against cutting. I told him to type $admin. He told me to, and actually I cannot say what he said because it included words not permitted here.

Now here's the thing, when I checked the replay I found more drivers cutting too. Infact, I already know the UF1 record at KY2 is incorrect and most likely will be deleting it (new feature, we can delete individual records now), I happen to have the replay where it is set and i'll be checking it.

My point is, the amount of cutting going on in LFS - even on servers where the consequences of doing it have been quite public on ocassion, it's really silly out there. You dont want the objects because you dont cut. I can empathise with that, I really can. I dont want the objects either.

Unfortunately, there's something about rotating tracks that makes people thing it's allowed.

I've now had to put a ruddy aweful catchment wall into KY2, and used cones along the pit entry to prevent cutting. I really didnt want to have to do that.

Now some of our layouts are quite good I think, sometimes though we've done what we've had too.

Regarding AS North particularly, I will need to check as I barely know the circuit. I do remember we where begged to do it in the first place though.

[Shotglass]

That's difficult shotglass, many league drivers routinely beat the WR until we messed up the driver aids for them - some combo's the WR's really aren't that good, and just what percentage should be permissable? It depends how good the WR is...

true but things like that are always a tradeoff
at least the most blatant cutting should be traceable (the kind that qualifies as griefing with the 100-and-something% autokick) and for everything else a lot less objects should suffice which will have a positive effect on framerates and safety

[SamH]

For the record, I still haven't been able to achieve a drop in framerate by loading a heavily laid out layout. I just hit the autocross circuit and loaded Victor's layout. It has hundreds of objects. No difference in framerate, at all.

All is good, unless I manage to get 50 or 100 cones and tyres moving all at once, by deliberately crashing into them. I can only conclude that the object:framerate problem is PROBABLY entirely hypothetical, and not actually a consideration when contemplating how best to prevent cheaters cheating.

[thisnameistaken]

For the record, I still haven't been able to achieve a drop in framerate by loading a heavily laid out layout. I just hit the autocross circuit and loaded Victor's layout. It has hundreds of objects. No difference in framerate, at all.

... I can only conclude that the object:framerate problem is PROBABLY entirely hypothetical,

Nah it is real. I noticed that I got quite variable frame rates on the autox layout that Victor used. I usually get around 80-90fps on an open road with no other cars around, but on that layout it went between 40-80fps depending on what was in view.

[Vain]

The Fe Club layout (-> Maginot Chicane) causes a serious drop in fps. But that layout was just silly. :tilt:

Vain

[SamH]

Nah it is real. I noticed that I got quite variable frame rates on the autox layout that Victor used. I usually get around 80-90fps on an open road with no other cars around, but on that layout it went between 40-80fps depending on what was in view.
Hmm.. okay, fair enough. I get 85fps, because I'm vsync-locked at 85Hz. It doesn't vary from that. Perhaps I'd get ~130+ unlocked (rings a bell), and ~90 with a layout.

Are 10 hay bales and a red/white barrier in view going to impact fps to the point that an alternative is needed? That's the more relevent question. Apart from visual clutter, of course.

[thisnameistaken]

Are 10 hay bales and a red/white barrier in view going to impact fps to the point that an alternative is needed? That's the more relevent question. Apart from visual clutter, of course.

Frame rates can get pretty choppy on older hardware when you've got other cars around anyway, so I suppose any additional frame-sapping objects aren't going to help. But I couldn't tell you what the impact of ten hay bales is. Might be worthwhile finding out if some objects are worse than others though.

[Hyperactive]

I'd take a guess that objects that don't move are more fps-friendly :)

[SamH]

Frame rates can get pretty choppy on older hardware when you've got other cars around anyway, so I suppose any additional frame-sapping objects aren't going to help. But I couldn't tell you what the impact of ten hay bales is. Might be worthwhile finding out if some objects are worse than others though.
I agree. I need more to go on than I have. I can't help the gut feeling that anyone who can't cope with a few hay bales probably also can't join the back of a half-full grid anyway, and that the hay bales are the least of a challenged computer's problems.

My laptop is pretty graphically and processor challenged - I get 18-25fps at the best of times on that. I could go spectate a few races some time AS7 comes up, and see what impact it has, as we go past the bales. First, though, we need a UKCT server and it seems to have disappeared again, along with a sizeable portion of the rest of the datacentre.

[Bean0]

Could the FPS drop be more to do with the physics and the hit on the CPU rather than the GPU ?

I know that the modded FE Club chicane caused the error 'Too many Physics Objects' to appear for me a few times during practice for the STCC round there when people were testing their lines and getting it all wrong occasionally.

[Becky Rose]

Moveable objects can effect fps whilst moving because they become a temporary physics object. It's this which effects performance.

Rendering of the objects may have a marginal effect, but certainly not as big an effect as the race start has.

So yes, moveable objects can impact performance.

In a layout like Victors autoX there was a significant quantity of objects onscreen, in this case the additional 3D geometry that needed rendering could have an impact on some systems - but this aspect doesnt really effect a no-cut STCC layout because we dont need so many objects to cut off a short cut as Victor needed to make an entire track.

[Shotglass]

For the record, I still haven't been able to achieve a drop in framerate by loading a heavily laid out layout. I just hit the autocross circuit and loaded Victor's layout. It has hundreds of objects. No difference in framerate, at all.

All is good, unless I manage to get 50 or 100 cones and tyres moving all at once, by deliberately crashing into them. I can only conclude that the object:framerate problem is PROBABLY entirely hypothetical, and not actually a consideration when contemplating how best to prevent cheaters cheating.

on some of the more graphically intense autocross layouts i get drops below 30 and my hardware is by no means old (and were talking barriers here ... objects that cant move)
so they do have an effect ... matter of fact id go as far as to say that objects along with alpha are the bits the engine struggles with the most

[Becky Rose]

In response to a request I have shortened the races on this server, although it wont take effect until the next track change.

[ajp71]

Are 10 hay bales and a red/white barrier in view going to impact fps to the point that an alternative is needed? That's the more relevent question. Apart from visual clutter, of course.

By the time a couple are flying around the place I get under 10 fps at the Fe Green chicane, even I'd expect over 20 on my computer :shrug:

[Fetzo]

it's not vykos' fault lrf servers aren't popular :D! the lrf class is just not that popular and by limiting the most popular car of this class (lx6) to platinum users (still don't know why), many racers don't even bother to join.

[ajp71]

it's not vykos' fault lrf servers aren't popular :D! the lrf class is just not that popular and by limiting the most popular car of this class (lx6) to platinum users (still don't know why), many racers don't even bother to join.

Personally I want to race LRF but unfortunately it seems there's never anybody else racing them so I guess most like me have stopped looking at the LRF/LX4 servers which is a shame, given the number of capable racers out there I think a lot would rather race LRF than the honestly rather dull TBO class (IMO anything to phase out the FXO is a great move).

The problem is I don't want to race LRFs round As Club Rev, they need a longer and faster track to be fun, Ky GP, Westhill, Fe Black etc.

[Becky Rose]

Everyone said that long tracks wouldn't work in the XFG / XRG. I left the LRF's running a full track rotation because I know out in the real world some crazy racing drivers take Caterhams around Knockhill which isnt exactly a long track. I'm sure there's fun to be had on short tracks in sim racing too.

The reason you want space I suspect is to avoid other drivers, hopefully the silver licence requirement will go some way to preventing the need for the extra safety margin.

EDIT: When i've looked the LRF server is not as popular as STCC2, but it does get some action.

[Theafro]

You've really catered for the gentleman drivers out with this guys.

I've been driving the longer selection of tracks today, that was nice. it suits this style or car quite nicely.

can't wait to get my platinum, and get my hands on the LX6!:D

[ajp71]

EDIT: When i've looked the LRF server is not as popular as STCC2, but it does get some action.

I've still seen no plug for the LRF server on the other STCC servers so most racers won't know of the LRF servers existence. Also a lot of people connect then disconnect straight away, I think the fact that the server message says Platinum license only may be confusing people.

[Theafro]

:thumb:

[Becky Rose]

Also a lot of people connect then disconnect straight away, I think the fact that the server message says Platinum license only may be confusing people.
The disconnecting straight away is because you need a bronze licence to join the server. The problem used to occur that unlicenced drivers would cause lag as they joined race and got booted - by restricting higher servers spectator access to bronze and above, most people new to STCC have the concept by then.

I had the server renamed a while ago now, it is called Silver & Up not Platinum. I just double checked and it definately hasnt reverted back to its old name.

As for wider marketting of the server, i'll consider it. It's an experiment at the moment.

[ajp71]

I had the server renamed a while ago now, it is called Silver & Up not Platinum. I just double checked and it definately hasnt reverted back to its old name.

Server message still says 'Platinum only' and personally I've always assumed that message is more likely to be kept up to date than the server name. Not an urgent thing but it is a bit misleading.

[Becky Rose]

Aha that message! This would be the one that advertises broadcast 5 as new then :) hehe.

One small snag there is it appears to share the same welcome message text file as the 3a server, so I cant update this easily. I'll have to give Sam a holler to make the change and restart the server.

[Hyperactive]

Well, the welcome message also says "STCC broadcast number 5 released-something".

The newest is the 6th :shhh:

:D

[Hyperactive]

I just wanted to say that, people, omgz, please race on the LRF server. An empty server is not a fun server! The LRF cars can provide great racing and with the addition of the LX4 even closer racing is possible. Use the server!

[/end of commercial]:tilt:

[Funnybear]

Great idea Becky. Yet again.

This is just the sort of progression someone like me needs. Having gained my platinum but can't commit or even dream of thinking I could race competativily but still wanting to be involved this server is a great move. Does mean I have to develop yet more sets to cope with my kac handed mousing but thats all the fun of the fair.

I havn't had the chance to do some serious racing on there, took the FZ out for a spin but that car will need some serious work if it will cope with long races without completly massacaring it's rear tyres. Racing the LX6 really appeals.

I don't really know enough about the class or your points system to be able to pass constructive comments about your system but what is the point? Don't take that the wrong way. With the other servers you have a goal to aim for, a progression up the ranks and cars to ultimatly being placed for a spot in the race series. But what of this class? Apart from top notch racing against like minded racers that is. I must admit I do like it's exclusivity. It's what I've worked for. Lets hope it can gain popularity . . .

Maybe you have discussed (I think I have read the suggestion earlier in the post) about having a parrallel race series to companion your main feature race. Prehaps a support race system could be thought about. Would make for a jampacked broadcast adding to your already hectic work load but I think that is a possible reward system you could implement to gain popularility . . . .

But whatever . . . .Your empire is expanding. Good work.

[Becky Rose]

I've been approached a number of times by people wanting me to run leagues with LFS and other sims, and also by people wanting me to broadcast their leagues, but the long and the short of it is there is just 1 of me and I have a day job - so any new league has an instant price tag of $40k p/a... :x

In terms of what is the point, well it's all part of the same licence system and as you've already reached platinum for you there is no longer an ultimate goal - just the knowledge that you can race in a licenced server with recourse for action against miscreants.

I'm not sure what I can do to improve popularity of the LRF class. It's a limit of the userbase more than anything.

[Fetzo]

in fact you are limiting the userbase for that server yourself. as i said, the most popular and fastest car of them all is not available to most of the racers. the lx6. there aren't just that many platinum users.

rac is a weirdo and fz50 just eats its tyres. the forced throttle cut doesn't bring more fun into it, too.

[SamH]

The LRF market is small anyway, and where it's vocal is mostly on the forum. It doesn't translate to the track at all. The throttle cut on upshift is an STCC stipulation, rather than relating in any way to the drivability of any individual car. Since it's run by and associated with the STCC league, the driver aids and the track layouts are common to both the league and the public servers. Right or wrong is subjective. The one universal truth in this regard is that it's "STCC" ;)

[dawesdust_12]

Sam, shouldn't you be in bed?

I dunno, I enjoy the LRF class, but its just too hard to race with becuase of the insane twitchyness, the way to pass is to be extremely ballsy at risk of incidentally lag-wrecking someone, or wait for them to make the inevitable mistake (unless you're Hannu)

[SamH]

I am, now LOL! Just got done watching the Australian F1 gand prix :)

Yep, these are harder cars to learn, though very rewarding when you do. I figure they're too steep of a learning curve for many. The LX6 is my fave.. the RAC and FZ50 are fun, but I can't be competitive in them.

[dawesdust_12]

The RAC and FZ5 feel like I'm driving on ice, the LX6 is so much more fun.

[Hyperactive]

Would it be possble to allow quali sessions on the LRF server? Every now and then when I join the server is usually empty and driving races alone is kinda boring...

[Fetzo]

The LRF market is small anyway, and where it's vocal is mostly on the forum. It doesn't translate to the track at all. The throttle cut on upshift is an STCC stipulation, rather than relating in any way to the drivability of any individual car. Since it's run by and associated with the STCC league, the driver aids and the track layouts are common to both the league and the public servers. Right or wrong is subjective. The one universal truth in this regard is that it's "STCC" ;)

for drivers who used to cut the throttle by themselves, it's less fun. you can't race like you are used to do. but that wasn't the main point, i was trying to make...

The LX6 is my fave.. the RAC and FZ50 are fun, but I can't be competitive in them.

...this is.

[Becky Rose]

for drivers who used to cut the throttle by themselves, it's less fun.
But nobody did cut the throttle, everyone in LFS flatshifts. This is why the aid is forced on. Also remember if you manual clutch you can turn throttle cut off again, so if your wheel has 3 pedals then go for it. This was done as a balancing measure to return some lost time to people with stick shifts. If it's realism you are after, a 3 pedal + stick shift arrangement is what you need :), otherwise the throttle cutting is doing something that nobody bothers with usually, when in real racing, they would.

[Shotglass]

But nobody did cut the throttle, everyone in LFS flatshifts. This is why the aid is forced on.

the problem is the real effect of this is nerfing the rac

[Fetzo]

But nobody did cut the throttle, everyone in LFS flatshifts. This is why the aid is forced on. Also remember if you manual clutch you can turn throttle cut off again, so if your wheel has 3 pedals then go for it. This was done as a balancing measure to return some lost time to people with stick shifts. If it's realism you are after, a 3 pedal + stick shift arrangement is what you need :), otherwise the throttle cutting is doing something that nobody bothers with usually, when in real racing, they would.


well not everyone is flatshifting and having the engine cut automatically sounds for me, like there is something wrong with my lfs.

i really regret that i have added this little sentence to my post up there, as it was not the reason i wrote that post. in fact it is REALLY NOT that important to me.

again......the point i was trying to make is, that by limiting the lx6 to platinum users, you are making it much harder for the lrf server to be a success. you wondered what you could do to make the lrf server more popular, so my recommendation would be to make the lx6 available to more racers.

i don't see the reason why the lx6 is only for platinums.
p.s.:
if you are thinking about quoting and replying only to the first sentence of this post and ignore the rest of it, pls ignore the whole post.

[Viper93]

IMO it's perfectly valid to have platnium only racers running LX6. Chances are these people are very quick in the LX4 and normal drivers wouldn't have a chance anyways.

Even if you do know the LX4 well there are still many things that every driver could learn from using the LX4 more until they have platinum. Besides the racing is closer giving better opportunities for people to practice their racecraft.

Get everyone in an LX6 it would more closer to that of hotlapping with the exception of some people who are mainly platinum drivers by now anyways. Not everyone, but alot of them =)

Also you make more points in the LX4 than the LX6 so with everyone running LX4 you make more points per race anyways.

[Bean0]

Also you make more points in the LX4 than the LX6 so with everyone running LX4 you make more points per race anyways.

I don't get any in the LX4 :( :(

[Viper93]

I don't get any in the LX4 :( :(

=) You don't need any more =)

[Fetzo]

...
hehe, you really think that "normal" drivers wouldn't have a chance against platinum ones? sorry, but most of them just have more time than other fast racers. i even have seen a lot of drivers who were shockingly slow and did have the platinum license.

i don't care about the points, i just want to race on a decent lrf server, with a car i like to race and i am not the only one. it would be ok for me, if i dont get any points by driving the lx6.

lx4 is not really a competative alternative on a LRF server and is because of that not popular.

[Jakg]

lx4 is not really a competative alternative on a LRF server and is because of that not popular.SO Sprint 2 Rev i was in an LX4 and was keeping up with RAC's and OVERTAKING FZ5's!

[SamH]

you wondered what you could do to make the lrf server more popular, so my recommendation would be to make the lx6 available to more racers.
Personally, I totally agree. The LX6 should be accessible, and the others should be more heavily point-loaded. All LRF cars, IMO, should be allowed to all drivers, and bonus points given to those who choose a more challenging car. This will hike up interest in the server, where the racing's the point and the Titanium licence is the reward, ultimately, all the while enjoying the ride.

[danowat]

I agree, also, is there any reason that Aston GP, Aston GT and Aston Historic never make an appearance on the LRF servers?

[zeugnimod]

I agree, also, is there any reason that Aston GP, Aston GT and Aston Historic never make an appearance on the LRF servers?

I think they arent on the Silver & Gold server, either. :shrug:

[danowat]

I think they arent on the Silver & Gold server, either. :shrug:

Shame, all great tracks, Aston Historic is one of my favs :shrug:

[Hyperactive]

Shame, all great tracks, Aston Historic is one of my favs :shrug:

Aston historic is truly a great track, especially with the LRFs. I especially like the back straight part after the corkscrew section, which is great as well, in both directions. Getting bad exit from any corner usually costs few places on the next straight. It is a perfect track for FZ50 vs. LX6 battlings. Aston GT is another nice one but imho the GP is not as good. I used to drive the AS hist with GTRs a lot, it is a great track with XRR as well :)

[Vain]

Hint: Aston GT Reversed in the XRR.

And yes, Aston Historic is a great track for LRF-battles.

Vain

[Fetzo]

SO Sprint 2 Rev i was in an LX4 and was keeping up with RAC's and OVERTAKING FZ5's!

well this is one track that on which the lx-cars have a huge advantage compared to heavier ones. try this on most of the other tracks....tracks with some straights that are longer than 200 meters.

i am sure that i can beat most lrf drivers on fe rx green in a rb4. does this mean the rb4 is fast enough to race in the lrf-class?

[Jakg]

thats a slightly unfaircomparison,but on the tighter tracks SUCH as SO, the LX4 can hold it own, seeing as the STCC servers DONT run the longer tracks, and run short to medium length tracks it can actually put up a fight

[SamH]

It's up to Becky, at the end of the day, but I would love to see those excellent Aston configs for the LRF server. My faves in the LX6 are Aston's longer configs.

[Fetzo]

i dont think it helps, that the races are that long on this server.

12 laps on north is about 30 minutes each race. difficult to get such a server filled with drivers, if you have to wait that long for a restart.

there are a lot drivers who aren't that secure with the cars and a shorter race distance would definately be more attractive to them.