drifting in s2

[tailshe]

why is it so hard to drift in s2?
when i had s1 i could drift very easy,but then i did not have a steering wheel.
now i got s2 and momo steering wheel and i cant drift at all.
is it because it is inposible to drift in s2 or harder then in s1?
or because it is harder to drift with steering wheel?

[Gabkicks]

1.) tires now can overheat and wear
2.) physics are improved and the roadcars have more realistic amounts of steering lock
3.) click the link in my avatar and check out rscnet after you watch the vid.
:)

just practice. head over to www.lfs-torque.net and search around the forums for stuff.

[StanleyCarter]

why is it so hard to drift in s2?
when i had s1 i could drift very easy,but then i did not have a steering wheel.
now i got s2 and momo steering wheel and i cant drift at all.
is it because it is inposible to drift in s2 or harder then in s1?
or because it is harder to drift with steering wheel?

it is harder compared to S1, but in a good way, S2 improved on everything, tyres, physics and etc.

its harder because it is more realistic, it is harder because you're too used to S1, and it is harder because you just started in S2 maybe?

play a sim racing game with a wheel is the best combo, it's a good thing, keep up the practise. :)

[AndroidXP]

when i had s1 i could drift very easy,but then i did not have a steering wheel.
... or because it is harder to drift with steering wheel?Well depends. You were probably used to the old "assisted" keyboard steering, that actually did perfect countersteering all the time.

So generally speaking, it's easier to drift with a wheel than with the KB, but back in the days of auto-steer it was the other way round. If you try to drift with the todays keyboard steering you'll probably end up in a wall quite often.

And as the others already have said: the cars also got way more dynamic in S2.

[XCNuse]

keep in mind, now its even more realistic to drift..
and keep even more into mind that real drifters do only a few turns before the session is over ;)

[96 GTS]

Other people drift entire laps of the Nurburgring.......
*cough*Yellowbird*cough*cough*
:D

[Gabkicks]

he didnt drift every single turn. :P but your pt is made nonethe less. Roser's tires were pretty much destroyed by the end of his nurburgring lap.

[deggis]

Well, just don't drift then. Drifting is stupid anyway. :)

[Gabkicks]

where's admins when ya need em.:chair:

[nikimere]

Well, just don't drift then. Drifting is stupid anyway. :)
beware the flaming...:flamed:

[deggis]

What's the point in driving around laps with a much slower way and at the same time cooking up your tires?

[/sarcasm] :D

[KiDCoDEa]

thats not sarcasm though, but im sure a moderator will try hard to enlighten you further on the matter. ;)

[Tweaker]

What's the point in driving around laps with a much slower way and at the same time cooking up your tires?

[/sarcasm] :D
It's all show deggis, spectators love it. I've seen it in person, and it was pretty cool to see really -- about the only thing that got the crowds cheering their loudest compared to the actual racing being done. And.... it is fun for the driver too. Kind of like a stylish form of tarmac rally :)

[nism0]

Took me around a week to get my drifting back to how I was in S1, It just takes practise, alot of it.

[tailshe]

i will practice

[XCNuse]

basically what they do is get a large tarmac flat (autocross) set some cones up for the track, and a bunch of these pro drifters come with thousands of spectators trailing behind.
my sisters boyfriend went to a HUGE event that they had at road atlanta, he said it was probably the coolest thing he's ever watched, which im sure it is, cause im sure its not all that easy to get a car to do that... and then hold it steady on bumpy tracks

and the scoring i believe is simple speed+angle=more points

[StanleyCarter]

Drifting is a very subjective sort of thing, it doesn't appeal to everyone, but for some people, they find it very exciting and cool. And while others may think the drifts he saw is bad, it may be great for others.

Drifting is a part of motorsport, but it is not a race, so don't get confuse, I'd think of it as something similar to figure skating, or X-games... like others mentioned, it is purely for show, they're doing it for the hype, for the adrenaline rush, and also for fun, it's ain't racing.

oh, Drifting is still evolving, but for now, the main judging criteria on a good drift is:
speed + angle + and lastly line (XCNuse you missed this one :))

[vpr01]

its hard to drift because:

- tyre physics need fixing
- tyres seem to wear out very quickly when spinning
- is there even an option to pick the rubber compound? i cant remember.
- its very hard without a wheel that can do 360 degrees. youd have to have it set to high sensitivity, which would be very hard.

i youve actually seen people drifting from in-car view, it looks even harder than it does from outside. they're constantly spinning the wheel from lock to lock.

[Breizh]

It's really not that hard if you've got the car setup comfy and know your lines... just keep it smooth.

[Gabkicks]

its only the noobs complaining about drifting being hard now.:shrug:

[speedfreak227]

i think drifting competitions have been part of the Champ Car circuit this year in north america. personally i'd love to watch it.

there was a day at a karting event where for some strange reason the race director wouldn't declare a wet race even though it was pouring all day. it was cool because we all had to go out on slicks, sesion after session. i basically drifted my laps for fun.

when you can get the back end loose in the opposite direction of the next corner you can let it "hook up" and whip the car around and into the corner.

29 horsepower, 320 lb kart including driver, slick tires, and rain = pure enjoyment

speedfreak227

[96 GTS]

he didnt drift every single turn. :P but your pt is made nonethe less. Roser's tires were pretty much destroyed by the end of his nurburgring lap.
OT, but didn't he do two laps back to back without a stop? Maybe there's a cut in the video that I didn't see though. And while he didn't "drift" every turn, he had the tail at least partially out around basically every corner. Amazing stuf....

[speedfreak227]

is there a link to this video of the neurburg ring driftin session?

speedfreak227

[obzelite]

google yellowbird drift video

not hard really

for a better idea on how far lfs still has to go, you may wanne have a look around the bitorrent network and have a look for some option videos.

[deggis]

google yellowbird drift video

not hard really
Actually it was really hard because I couldn't Google that video with those keywords.

[Resound]

I just found the video (googled for yellowbird and nurburgring) and he's not drifting in the showboating, maximum-opposite-lock-at-every-corner sense of the word. He certainly gets some lock on through a few corners, especially the ones where they bothered to use the external camera footage but he's not deliberately shredding the tyres. Even so, by the time he got past the karussel (about the 5min mark) the back tyres seemed awfully secondhand. It sounded like he wasn't leaning on the throttle anywhere nearly as hard as he was at the start of the lap and the transitions to sliding were a lot smoother so I'd say his tyres were getting distinctly greasy. Awesome driving though.

[Vendetta]

its hard to drift because:

- tyre physics need fixing
- tyres seem to wear out very quickly when spinning
- is there even an option to pick the rubber compound? i cant remember.
- its very hard without a wheel that can do 360 degrees. youd have to have it set to high sensitivity, which would be very hard.

i youve actually seen people drifting from in-car view, it looks even harder than it does from outside. they're constantly spinning the wheel from lock to lock.

The speed at which the tyres wear i find fine. No duh they wear out quickly when spinning :pillepall. In setups go to tyres. I use a DFP and my wheel is set to about 500 ish degrees, yes youve got to go from lock to lock very quickly, but it gets very easy after a while.


*edit* i think this is the worst post ive ever made grammatical wise.*edit*

[5th Earth]

Considering the numerical stats for the Yellowbird 911, I'm not suprised he was driving it that way in the 'ring video. The thing has an engine like a Group B rally car--whacking great twin turbos, power doesn't hit until 3,000 RPM and then it rips your face off--and unlike Group B, the 911 doesn't have the benefit of AWD. Plus, the 'ring is a course that probably only a handful of people in the world can claim to "know", and as such a little rally-style mild drifting is a reasonable way to make navigate the corners.

That said, as mentioned his tires were toast after that run, and he was not doing showboat drifting.

That all said, if you want your tires to last longer, try using Hybrids. I've found them to be a bit tougher, albeit lower grip, and you can thrash them a lot longer before they give out.

[deggis]

Here's the video: http://www.aocb77.dsl.pipex.com/RUF.wmv

The quality is quite bad.