Who want other power sources in LFS?

[scania]

e.g.
Diesel
Bio-Diesel
ethanol
Bio-ethanol
electric
compress air
Hybrid(I think CUHK IOHEV is good, because it use in-wheel motor)
H2

and more....

[frokki]

What's the difference? Since the game doesn't actually simulate the fluid lit in a cylinder, and propably never will, you (or the devs) have to create different engine characters by manipulating some numbers, that may effect some other numbers. IMO this thread is just as pointless as "what engine you want for S3".

Would it make you happy if the devs created a car that has performance like a bio-diesel and called it a bio-diesel car? I couldn't care less - as long as I can race them :p

[Go-carter]

Well, a diesel engine doesn't have to shift that much because of the torque, and it would be red-lined at about 4-5000 rpm:shrug:

Though, I find no use for bio-diesel, ethanol etc.

[Davo]

Meh, doesn't matter what it runs on or how it goes as long as you can drive it.

[danowat]

Diesel, an TDi version of the XF Gti would be good.

[jamvib]

In endurance it will make a difference, the car fuelconsumption is totally different with the full tank you can travel farther but slower, so it would be something to include in strategy, and of course you cant simulate in real time fluids inside the engine (whats the point anyway)
You have to be with me that diesel and petrol cars are totally different from the input-output point of view (I mean input:you driving, output: the car response).
Only my opinion I might be wrong

[danowat]

Petrol and diesel are VERY different to drive, torque delivery for one thing.

a TDi XF GTi would probably be a fair bit fast (but heavier) than the petrol one.

[tristancliffe]

The advantages of diesel (lots of torque and good economy on part load) are offset for motorsport use by their mass (big heavy engines) and their lack of ability to rev (so you have to change gear just as often, if not more). The fact they are worse for the environment overall doesn't help either.

There has only been one 'good' diesel (in Le Mans last year), and it was only good because the equivalency rules gave it a massive advantage. In real life a petrol engined car is massively quicker over any race distance above 50m than a diesel.

[severin_schoepke]

There has only been one 'good' diesel (in Le Mans last year), and it was only good because the equivalency rules gave it a massive advantage. In real life a petrol engined car is massively quicker over any race distance above 50m than a diesel.

I wouldn't say that... A diesel BMW 1 series (120D) finished 5th overall at the 24h of the Nurburgring! They declassed a lot of Porsches, Astons, Lambos etc. in a relatively underpowered car...

[al heeley]

Solar powered cars, that would make for some exciting racing, unless the weather was set to cloudy, i suppose:tilt:

[KeiichiRX7]

if you were actually interested in solar powered cars in the game i know a team that might be willing to let us reproduce their car if the program is still running

[Eldanor]

Solar powered cars, that would make for some exciting racing, unless the weather was set to cloudy, i suppose:tilt:

...so you have to get out of the car and push it like in those old keyboard-killer olympic videogames :D

[CSU1]

What's the difference? Since the game doesn't actually simulate the fluid lit in a cylinder, and propably never will, you (or the devs) have to create different engine characters by manipulating some numbers, that may effect some other numbers. IMO this thread is just as pointless as "what engine you want for S3".

Would it make you happy if the devs created a car that has performance like a bio-diesel and called it a bio-diesel car? I couldn't care less - as long as I can race them :p

+ + + OH FROKKI YOU MAD OL' FROG!

Fluid lit in a cylinder???...LOL true but oh what a description:) (no need, all's needed is torque/power band data IS ALL)

Different characters by messing with numbers??? loL:) like what a new charecter like Scawen2 or something? :)

Honestley this one has been discussed before and the only difference is engine torque and power band data. What teh hell is the point of simulating 'every single component' of the engine when all is used is the output data not the internal workings of the engine, fluid in cylinders and what not:)

[frokki]

Structure of that post was stupid, and also that fluid analogy was a bit stupid, but the point is: there's no point. Just tweak the numbers (resulting forming those power and torque bands) and there you have engine as you like (power band of diesel, electric or whatever car). Heck, in car selection info screen there can read bio-diesel or cow crap as a powersource, as long as we can race the car it doesn't matter.

LOL, someone who understands me, speaks decent english and has eaten something, please write something that makes sense for instance :p

[Gunn]

I can't agree to a simulated bio-deisel model until the devs discover how to get that feint smell of fish and chips into the sim. Now be a good sport and pass the Kalamari rings won't you?

[djgizmo68]

Well, It can be done, but not in terms of fluid, simply by upping the power of the car.

for instance, if a new car came on LFS, same specs and such as the XFG, and it said "diesel", you would all think "its desiel, it says so". Same story everywhere. but its the exact same as the stock XFG

[Forbin]

I declare the UF1 has a 1 Liter 4-cylinder diesel. It revs low and makes more torque than HP. There, problem solved. :)

[JJ72]

I want pedal power, if LFS can simulate the pedals of a bike with our foot pedals, and give us a ultra light trike, there must be some awesome racing:D

[Tomtheman70]

I want pedal power, if LFS can simulate the pedals of a bike with our foot pedals, and give us a ultra light trike, there must be some awesome racing:D

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Flintstones-Bedrock-Racing-PS2/dp/B000I0PPOS

I think you're looking for this

Honestly though, I was thinking about the whole solar thing, that'd be pretty funny if they didn't have batteries and had to run off of straight sunlight, that way in a cloudy part of the track you'd have to coast. :P

[wheel4hummer]

I declare the UF1 has a 1 Liter 4-cylinder diesel. It revs low and makes more torque than HP. There, problem solved. :)

Thanks! You really are right, I changed the sound and now it is diesel! Where in LFS does it say gas powered?

[djgizmo68]

Just says "fuel", Could be Coal powered...

[J.B.]

I wouldn't say no to this (http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1) car in LFS. Only two gears because of it's great torque curve (http://www.teslamotors.com/performance/performance.php?js_enabled=1). And I've always wanted to know how the lack of internal combustion explosions affects driving enjoyment.

[wheel4hummer]

That car is terrible for the environment.... :nod:

[J.B.]

You can't blame the car for people who think coal and oil are good energy sources. :razz:

[wheel4hummer]

Where are you gonna dispose the toxic batteries when they die? :smileypul

[J.B.]

Dunno. But whatever it is, I'm sure it's better than irreversibly releasing them into the earths athmosphere.

[JJ72]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Flintstones-Bedrock-Racing-PS2/dp/B000I0PPOS

I think you're looking for this


OOOOO I am so converted. :D

[al heeley]

Where do you think the energy comes from to charge the batteries every 2 or 3 days?
Think about the significant losses every time energy is converted from one form into another.
Oil into gasoline into car into miles
vs
oil into power plant fuel into electricity into car into miles

Which do you think burns the most oil in the end, and puts more pollutants intot eh atmosphere?
The marketing works well as the happy owner drives round with a warm feeling that he's doing his bit for the environment, yet he doesn't see the extra wasteage and inefficiencies further up the chain that in fact add more environmental problems than previously existed.

[KeiichiRX7]

So i take it thats a "no" on me needing to get in contact with my old racing buddies on the solar car team

[duke_toaster]

What about a REVA/G-wiz as a rival to the UF1?

[J.B.]

Where do you think the energy comes from to charge the batteries every 2 or 3 days?
Think about the significant losses every time energy is converted from one form into another.
Oil into gasoline into car into miles
vs
oil into power plant fuel into electricity into car into miles

Which do you think burns the most oil in the end, and puts more pollutants intot eh atmosphere?
The marketing works well as the happy owner drives round with a warm feeling that he's doing his bit for the environment, yet he doesn't see the extra wasteage and inefficiencies further up the chain that in fact add more environmental problems than previously existed.

Well large, modern power plants are better at dealing with pollutants than little cars, each with their own little polluting engine. But you're probably still right about overall pollution, due to the inefficiencies you mention.

But for me the thing is that an all electric car at least gives a choice about how to be fed with energy. If it gets it's power from nuclear or solar sources or whatever then it's definately a lot better for the atmosphere than a conventional, fossil-fueled engine. If power companies insist on producing dirty energy then of course electric cars won't "save the world" but then the underlying problem is more one of energy politics than one inherent to car technology.

Anyway. By driving cars in LFS you'll always be polluting the atmosphere in the same way as an electric car, regardless of the type of engine simulated. :D But since LFS runs fine on low-end machines I guess we can already qualify LFS as a "green" PC game.