AutoSimSport needs Articles about Live for Speed for God's sake

[George Kuyumji]

AutoSimSport (http://www.autosimsport.net/) is the most popular Online Racing Simulation Magazine in the World. Thousands of readers every month.

Live for Speed is the most popular Online Racing Simulation in the World. Thousand drivers Racing it every day.

LFS got more people Racing Online than any other Simulation.

So why do these things not find together? Why do we have 40 pages in ASS about GTR2, 20 pages about rFactor, 10 pages about GPL and 0 pages about LFS?

Simply, there is nobody who wants to write Articles about LFS. Alot of people who race other Sims have no idea about LFS superb tyre physics, they look down on LFS as it looks like an Arcade Game on first sight, most people do not know LFS got tyre flex for example.

If you can write and are interested in doing so just for once, or regularly, for the interest and benefit of Live for Speed please consider writing Articles about LFS.

It can be anything, you could describe what the LFS Physics do, what does make LFS unique and how does it differ to other Sims, you can write an overview about the Leagues that LFS has, you can write about the latest Test Patch Progress, you can write about some great Race like the 24 hours Race last Week, you can write about everything that is interesting to you.

Alot of people in the Racing Simulation Community have never heard of LFS, alot of people think it looks like an Arcade Game. So if you got the will to write something, please do so, AutoSimSport would like to publish more Articles about LFS, if only they would get something from us. So please think about it.

:rock_band

[Viper93]

:thumb: From what I hear they are eager to get articles about LFS and wish to run as many as they can get their hands on =)

[BuddhaBing]

Why do we have 40 pages in ASS about GTR2, 20 pages about rFactor, 10 pages about GPL and 0 pages about LFS?

Simply, there is nobody who wants to write Articles about LFS.

... including their staff.

Does Car & Driver rely on their readership to submit articles about, say, Mercedes-Benz while their in-house staff write article after endless article about every other manufacturer in the market? Does F1 Magazine call on their readership to submit articles about Renault F1 while packing their magazine full of fluff pieces about all the other teams? No, of course not; the idea is ludicrous.

The fact that AutoSimSport does not cover LFS is entirely a conscious decision on their part. They have staff writers; they have editorial staff. If they truly wanted to provide LFS coverage, they would devote staff resources to doing so. They haven't. Read into that what you will.

[Dajmin]

I can appreciate that it does look like lack of effort on their part, but I do think you need community input to publicise something like this. It's easy enough to stumble upon GTR2 stuff because it'll have a massive PR budget, but indie products are always harder to push into the limelight.

It would take so many employees to cover every single 'sim' on the market that I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the community for help. Especially since (as I've said before) the LFS community has the reputation of being very exclusive and keeps itself to itself - we don't mind, but it's not good for promotion.

I said last time that I'd like to be able to do these kind of articles, but I'm not sure I'm qualified :) Also, as was also said the last time, LFS is the odd one out in the above list because it's not even close to being considered finished. Is it fair to promote something that's likely to change quite a lot before release?

[George Kuyumji]

... including their staff.

Does Car & Driver rely on their readership to submit articles about, say, Mercedes-Benz while their in-house staff write article after endless article about every other manufacturer in the market? Does F1 Magazine call on their readership to submit articles about Renault F1 while packing their magazine full of fluff pieces about all the other teams? No, of course not; the idea is ludicrous.

The fact that AutoSimSport does not cover LFS is entirely a conscious decision on their part. They have staff writers; they have editorial staff. If they truly wanted to provide LFS coverage, they would devote staff resources to doing so. They haven't. Read into that what you will.

Please keep in mind that this AutoSimSport Online Magazine is not like any company you mentioned, it is not like any Magazine you could buy at a Shop.

This Magazine is for free, written by people like you and me who share the same hobby and write something about it, they simply do not have writers and Articles for Live for Speed. Do you want some GTR2 or rFactor Fanboy writing about Live for Speeds Physics for example? The best people to write about LFS are in the LFS community.

I can appreciate that it does look like lack of effort on their part, but I do think you need community input to publicise something like this. It's easy enough to stumble upon GTR2 stuff because it'll have a massive PR budget, but indie products are always harder to push into the limelight.

It would take so many employees to cover every single 'sim' on the market that I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the community for help. Especially since (as I've said before) the LFS community has the reputation of being very exclusive and keeps itself to itself - we don't mind, but it's not good for promotion.

I said last time that I'd like to be able to do these kind of articles, but I'm not sure I'm qualified :) Also, as was also said the last time, LFS is the odd one out in the above list because it's not even close to being considered finished. Is it fair to promote something that's likely to change quite a lot before release?

It would be nice if you could write something. I think it is fair to promote something that isnt finished yet, because alot of things in Live for Speed are more finished than in other Sims.

The Reader should be kept aware that Live for Speed is work in Progress, but nevertheless its worth buying it already, to get a Sim that is more finished than other things currently on the Market.

[avih]

If anyone does write an article about LFS, I seriously suggest using pics from Don's slowmo vids. Especially the one where you can see the tire deformations. On the LX car :)

[Ian.H]

ASS has articles!? :Looking_a

Must have missed those in amongst all the ads. I thought it was a classifieds rag :shrug:



Regards,

Ian

[Madman_CZ]

Just reading through the GPL preservation society article... and this line made me chuckle..

"Even online, many of the leagues are still thriving; UKGPL is about to start season 13 with four divisions, GPL isn't going anywhere for a while yet.

rFactor, NkPro, GTR and the like are all excelent simulator platforms but that misses the point"

Heh... how NKPro even gets a mention and LFS does not I don't know! and the fact that NKPRO and the word excellent is in the same sentence :x


I do agree though we as a community who feel very passionate about LFS should make some effort to put some article together once a month to tell and show people what LFS is all about and what a great WIP Sim it is. I think a bit of publicity would be good. I am sure that there are lot of people out there who are looking for the most realistic sim on the market but then choose rTractor or GTR2 to play rather than LFS simply because they don't know LFS even exists.

I am sure that many people from the LFS community could contribute and put something together, we have plenty of clever people here with good writing skills, replace some of that forum sitting/reading/posting/living with some article writing.... :nod: faster1111 anyone? :D

mad

[Dajmin]

Right, I'm good with words (m3h kin speel gud). I'm sure I can knock something out. Just need to work out what needs to be said. Since I'm at work I guess I can start making notes now :)

[Edit: Oooh, post 600 :D]

[Viper93]

Talk to the editors to see what type of article they will want for their Feburary Issue. Write it up, possibly post it in here first, then send it off to ASS to be published, their editors will edit it for grammar errors possibly reformat it a bit. Depends on how good the article is in the first place.

BTW there will be a suprise in ASS on Saturday =) More along ASS WILL be running an article pertaining to LFS

[Linsen]

... including their staff.

Does Car & Driver rely on their readership to submit articles about, say, Mercedes-Benz while their in-house staff write article after endless article about every other manufacturer in the market? Does F1 Magazine call on their readership to submit articles about Renault F1 while packing their magazine full of fluff pieces about all the other teams? No, of course not; the idea is ludicrous.

The fact that AutoSimSport does not cover LFS is entirely a conscious decision on their part. They have staff writers; they have editorial staff. If they truly wanted to provide LFS coverage, they would devote staff resources to doing so. They haven't. Read into that what you will.
I absolutely agree with this. No matter if ASS is free or not, if they want to be a journalistic product (which is certainly the impression they try to convey), they can't rely on articles about a certain product written by "fanboys" (no pun intended) of that particular product. They need articles written by unbiased sim-experts. And given the fact that they see themselves as sim-experts, I really don't see a reason why at least one person of their staff shouldn't be able to have a closer look into LFS. Just my humble opinion, of course.

[Viper93]

I absolutely agree with this. No matter if ASS is free or not, if they want to be a journalistic product (which is certainly the impression they try to convey), they can't rely on articles about a certain product written by "fanboys" (no pun intended) of that particular product. They need articles written by unbiased sim-experts. And given the fact that they see themselves as sim-experts, I really don't see a reason why at least one person of their staff shouldn't be able to have a closer look into LFS. Just my humble opinion, of course.

Well they do do content reviews by themselves. They more asking for articles about the community and whats happening in the game that could only be seen from "inside"

[Linsen]

Well they do do content reviews by themselves. They more asking for articles about the community and whats happening in the game that could only be seen from "inside"
If that's what they're looking for, and the respective article would be marked as an "inside"-view, that's a different story, of course. Sorry, if I missed that point.

[frokki]

they can't rely on articles about a certain product written by "fanboys" (no pun intended) of that particular product. I have been reading ASS for about 6 months, an I think it couldn't go worse. The paper is so full of bullcrap, that a FanBoi-written article about LFS would just perfectly fit in.

my 2 cents..

[Viper93]

If that's what they're looking for, and the respective article would be marked as an "inside"-view, that's a different story, of course. Sorry, if I missed that point.

:thumb::tilt::razz: Happy to help =)

[Patussay]

In autosimsport "Fifth column" January issue:
Best simulation winner 2005:Live for Speed
Sim personality of the year: Victor van Vlaardingen

and why they dont have LFS articles then? :really:

[Viper93]

In autosimsport "Fifth column" January issue:
Best simulation winner 2005:Live for Speed
Sim personality of the year: Victor van Vlaardingen

and why they dont have LFS articles then? :really:

Because nobody feeds them information =) Granted I don't think it's the best way to do things but it's working. They have monthly viewership 10k plus a month.

[Hoellsen]

If anyone does write an article about LFS, I seriously suggest using pics from Don's slowmo vids. Especially the one where you can see the tire deformations.

There have been articles about the content of LFS. What I feel is more necessary is not any more stuff about the content of the sim, but by covering community activities. That includes things like STCC (there, I said it, and I didn't mean it in a bay way :)) servers and most of all reports about the various leagues going on (OWRL, ESL, STCC, MoE and what else we all have). ASS is not read by folks who aren't involved in simracing yet but by simmers. Simmers mostly (except the ignorant few) know what the sims are about, even the ones they don't drive. They know their content. What they don't know is how they can exploit the content, meaning what activities and entities are available to them. This is what sparks more interest in a sim and this is what keeps folks IN the sim.

Of course the league organizers could provide the content, but quite frankly, they do quite a bit of work "just" by providing the league they run. Coverage of that league should be done by others, which is btw also a problem even for a LFS-"internal" page such as LFS News (http://www.lfsnews.net). We, as the LFS community, are lacking folks who do not only want to consume but also want to contribute. That is what unfortunately sets us apart from the other sim communities and is responsible for having too little coverage of what we do.

[Viper93]

There have been articles about the content of LFS. What I feel is more necessary is not any more stuff about the content of the sim, but by covering community activities. That includes things like STCC (there, I said it, and I didn't mean it in a bay way :)) servers and most of all reports about the various leagues going on (OWRL, ESL, STCC, MoE and what else we all have). ASS is not read by folks who aren't involved in simracing yet but by simmers. Simmers mostly (except the ignorant few) know what the sims are about, even the ones they don't drive. They know their content. What they don't know is how they can exploit the content, meaning what activities and entities are available to them. This is what sparks more interest in a sim and this is what keeps folks IN the sim.

Of course the league organizers could provide the content, but quite frankly, they do quite a bit of work "just" by providing the league they run. Coverage of that league should be done by others, which is btw also a problem even for a LFS-"internal" page such as LFS News (http://www.lfsnews.net). We, as the LFS community, are lacking folks who do not only want to consume but also want to contribute. That is what unfortunately sets us apart from the other sim communities and is responsible for having too little coverage of what we do.

Yes :razz: This is the type of stuff they are looking for =) Anything to do with the community pertaining to LFS. For leagues this would be a great opportunity =) They are receptive, you just have to start dialog with them.

[Bob Smith]

ASS write articles about mods for other sims. While we don't have mods, we do have quite a bunch of community created add-ons and such that could be talked about. Sure they don't have the impact of a mod but something like Smith's stats or my own setup analyser (once it's finished) are genuinely useful apps that many find essential but others won't have ever heard of.

[ajp71]

The fact that AutoSimSport does not cover LFS is entirely a conscious decision on their part. They have staff writers; they have editorial staff. If they truly wanted to provide LFS coverage, they would devote staff resources to doing so. They haven't. Read into that what you will.

ffs ASS is a community written free magazine, it may be produced by people who play ISI/other sims so will naturally be more inclined to write about them. They rely on community written pieces which for whatever reason flow from the other sim communities but not the LFS community, maybe due to the nature of other sims having more to write about. The offer has been open for ages and is quite clear if you want LFS articles then write about LFS. They have absolutely no obligation to cover LFS and the fact is love or hate ASS we still owe a debt of gratitude towards them for taking the time/effort to put it together, if you want it to include LFS then you know what to do.

[avih]

They did have an extensive comparison of the BF1 in LFS and the one of rFactor. rFactor came on top btw, although they didn't trash LFS. Not a bad article.

[Hyperactive]

Imho, the wrecker barricade deserves an article on its own. And wasn't there a big article about rF's long race (Lienz something?)... People could write similar articles about MOE, STCC etc.. Or stuff like movies of the month, edited screenshot of the month (voted here on LFS forum) etc..

It doesn't need to be one person or certain group of persons, what I'd like to see is more LFS articles written by many writers.

[SamH]

ffs ASS is a community written free magazine, it may be produced by people who play ISI/other sims so will naturally be more inclined to write about them.
ASS is a for-profit magazine, written by people involved in the ISI the sim-racing community. It's free to download, but it's intended to generate returns.

I agree that they're not REQUIRED to write anything about LFS, and are certainly not required to play it.

[tristancliffe]

ASS has articles!? :Looking_a

Must have missed those in amongst all the ads. I thought it was a classifieds rag :shrug:

/me sni_ggers (damn censor filter) Very true!

[ATC Quicksilver]

I think the reason you don't see floods of articles about LFS heading to ASS from the community is that many see the magazine as a joke, myself included. The fact it isnt shiney and doesn't have real tracks would put off 99% of ASS readers anyway.

[Dajmin]

You mean I'm wasting my time writing this article here then? Bugger :p

[sinbad]

I agree that they're not REQUIRED to write anything about LFS, and are certainly not required to play it.

And I'm not REQUIRED to owe them a debt of gratitude :)

What an odd post AJP. ASS can write what they like, they've proven that already. I gave up reading it months ago, when it became apparent that they like the "sound" of their own voices too much. It's almost as if they're one step from posting their typing errors too, just so they can fill yet another page with dull, boring, blocks of words. I'm not thankful, why should I owe them a debt of gratitude? Nothing to do with LFS, I just think their magazine is dull, and honestly I can't imagine it being interesting to anybody except those who wrote it, their friends and maybe the people who took part in the events which they write so exhaustively about.

I don't think LFS loses out at all by not being featured. The ASS readership is probably not the most open minded when it comes to LFS, and I don't think many new sim-racers will exactly be overwhelmed by the quality of production to the extent that they are blinded to any sim not featured. In fact, I doubt many would read past the first few pages.

[thisnameistaken]

I gave up reading it months ago, when it became apparent that they like the "sound" of their own voices too much. It's almost as if they're one step from posting their typing errors too, just so they can fill yet another page with dull, boring, blocks of words.

That sums up the way I feel about ASS pretty well. If it wasn't bad enough being a pathetically thinly-veiled shill for all manner of lousy products, it manages to utterly fail to redeem itself with the quality of its content, which is consistently shite.

[Viper93]

I definatly agree that ASS could be better, but with the way they run the magazine it's only as good as the content they recieve. Most of the articles are brought in by "fanboys" of each different type of game making the articles hard to read from someone that doesn't play the game.

IF someone who was more professional in their writing skills was to send them articles I am sure it would sound a ton better than some of the art's run in the magazine currently.

[ATC Quicksilver]

IF someone who was more professional in their writing skills was to send them articles I am sure it would sound a ton better than some of the art's run in the magazine currently.

Yes but why would they want to take the time to write unbiased articles of a high quality if they get nothing from it. Its the owners of ASS who benefit from the advertising they plaster all over the magazine, not the people writing articles for them.

[deggis]

"Nature of LFS" would be a great subject for the first long article about LFS. First it would cover the clear differencies (as being an "indie game" and not having real tracks/cars) but also differencies in the community. LFS community is pretty cloistered, maybe mostly because the official forum isn't on rscnet.org anymore. Also the article could cover why there are so many true fanboys (like somebody who got recently even banned here... you know who) compared to other sims that have only one goal and that is to bash non-objectively everything else. That's why you can't even mention LFS on other boards because you'd be labelled as a fanboy. I think this is the other major reason why LFS is just "different", other reason would be the few known arcadish game elements. Writing a good article about this would be quite an achievement.

[frokki]

That's why you can't even mention LFS on other boards because you'd be labelled as a fanboy. Yeah, and the labellers are not labelling themselves as fanboys because they like more than one game, even they were 96% identical. You guys have now finally convinced me to stop reading it, and I think it just does good for my health :p

EDIT: I was just informed that I will keep reading, so I apologize for what I said earlier. Sorry AutoSimSport, I luv ya!

[X-Ter]

I haven't read trough this entire tread cause I'm a bit short on time. But here goes...

Most articles in ASS are about mods for sims. Mods for rFactor, mods for NR2003, mods for Nascar Heat etc. There is also coverage of any new releases made, like official patches and so on.

The problem as I see it is finding things to write about for LFS. Sure, there are the occasional new idea like the STCC servers and the leagues etc. which for sure deserves to be mentioned, but in the long run, the new releases is what you'd like to write and read about.

And since no one on ASS staff is that connected in LFS, there's not much to write about. If someone from this community would start to write, the articles would most probably make the magazine. So start writing and sending in stuff :)

[ATC Quicksilver]

The way I see it is, its their magazine...they make money from advertising all over it...so they should write the articles or at least pay the people who do.

[MustangSVT]

I'm still surprised that LFS hasn't gotten more and more popular. It's way better than all the other sims. So what if it doesn't real cars and tracks, at least they're enjoyable.

The way I see it (and I have rFactor and GTR 2 and GT Legends and so on and so forth), the special thing about LFS is how easy and simple it is to get online. Make a player (name, info so on), then just get online with S2, you've got servers with different cars to choose from and you just jump in. There's very few lag problems, it's got great online code, good community to race with. It's nowhere near as simple (or as enjoyable for that matter) to get GTR 2 or rFactor online.

But I guess other people feel different about that.

[Viper93]

I'm still surprised that LFS hasn't gotten more and more popular. It's way better than all the other sims. So what if it doesn't real cars and tracks, at least they're enjoyable.

The way I see it (and I have rFactor and GTR 2 and GT Legends and so on and so forth), the special thing about LFS is how easy and simple it is to get online. Make a player (name, info so on), then just get online with S2, you've got servers with different cars to choose from and you just jump in. There's very few lag problems, it's got great online code, good community to race with. It's nowhere near as simple (or as enjoyable for that matter) to get GTR 2 or rFactor online.

But I guess other people feel different about that.

Well part of that is people who play other games in general don't know about LFS and it's great online play. It's up to the community to showcase that somehow. One way is making articles for ASS. There are plenty more, use your imagination and come up with something =)

[frankwer]

AutoSimSport (http://www.autosimsport.net/) is the most popular Online Racing Simulation Magazine in the World. Thousands of readers every month.

Live for Speed is the most popular Online Racing Simulation in the World. Thousand drivers Racing it every day.

LFS got more people Racing Online than any other Simulation.

So why do these things not find together? Why do we have 40 pages in ASS about GTR2, 20 pages about rFactor, 10 pages about GPL and 0 pages about LFS?

Simply, there is nobody who wants to write Articles about LFS. Alot of people who race other Sims have no idea about LFS superb tyre physics, they look down on LFS as it looks like an Arcade Game on first sight, most people do not know LFS got tyre flex for example.

If you can write and are interested in doing so just for once, or regularly, for the interest and benefit of Live for Speed please consider writing Articles about LFS.

It can be anything, you could describe what the LFS Physics do, what does make LFS unique and how does it differ to other Sims, you can write an overview about the Leagues that LFS has, you can write about the latest Test Patch Progress, you can write about some great Race like the 24 hours Race last Week, you can write about everything that is interesting to you.

Alot of people in the Racing Simulation Community have never heard of LFS, alot of people think it looks like an Arcade Game. So if you got the will to write something, please do so, AutoSimSport would like to publish more Articles about LFS, if only they would get something from us. So please think about it.

:rock_band


LFS dudes are welcome to write anything about LFS if they dont include the usual bashing of other racesims in their articles.

[ATC Quicksilver]

Well it would turn into a typical ASS article, lots of crap with no comparison to back up what they say.

[George Kuyumji]

LFS dudes are welcome to write anything about LFS if they dont include the usual bashing of other racesims in their articles.

No one's bashing. There must be a good LFS Writer out there who could add some stuff about LFS to ASS. ASS is not only about new Mods.

Due to its popularity and depth of the Sim it deserves a regular place in that Magazin.

[Christofire]

LFS dudes are welcome to write anything about LFS if they dont include the usual bashing of other racesims in their articles.

If Frank's an ASS editor, that's not a good start. If the first instinct when someone sees an LFS racer is that they're going to rubbish any other sim, then trying to get articles into ASS might be pointless.

There's a number of articles any decent writer could write about LFS, without mentioning any other sim. The problem (apart from this image thing) is to introduce it as a new spot in the mag, then have something you can develop. As the people reading the magazine will be ambilvalent about LFS at best (and possibly hostile at worst) a few introductory articles will ease them into the LFS world that we (in this forum) all live in.

An article about how the game's developed and the features it offers (the game itself, the simulation of tyres, suspension, sound, etc, LFSWorld site, and the nice things that ease our gaming - auto skin download) would be a good start.

Follow up next month with the tracks, cars, and some further technical details - InSim/OutSim, etc.

The following month, move into the sustainable regular articles - news, anything new with the latest patch, introduce leagues (e.g. STCC latest results, or whatever league you care to watch over), then you can continue with the league coverage, featured team per issue, "LFS highlight of the month" - point out a nice feature of LFS per month, etc.

Now, who's got the time to do that? :)

[Victor]

my 2 cents :

In my humble opinion, a monthly 'Eye on LFS' could be realised by creating a hiarchied news-update structure that ends at LFS News. LFS News can then be regarded as a source for all LFS news and a summary can be made for 'Eye on LFS' each month.

Leagues could have a feed towards lfs news (by whatever (techincal like rss) means). Race winners can give short interviews - league admins can report unusual or special things that happened during races - race results could automatically be uploaded - league standings as well - maybe there are special comments about standings like 'racer y has had a bad start of the season, but is steadily crawling his way to the top - we should interview him soon to find out his secret'. etc.

And how about a public ftp space (or http) where every league can upload their mpr's?

'Eye on LFS' doesn't even have to be just an ASS article - it could be sent around every month as a newsletter for those who subsribed - ASS could just be one place to publish it as well.

Anyway, I've had this idea a long time, but this is typically something the community needs to setup - I simply cannot - noone can do this on their own. It requires a combined effort from the whole community and in special one or more gifted writers to present the final news in an appealing way.
But things can be made easier if everyone only has to do a little bit, so that the final writers already have all the material and they only need to rewrite it to be readable. Also things can be made easier by automating whatever is automatable, like creating an rss feed of results and standings in- or excluding comments, usable by lfs news and whoever wants to. The only thing I could help with is setting up the centralised point for news gathering. But basically the LFS News guys would be the ones running that show and since afaik they use asp, that's a problem for me - i don't know asp.

All in all this is nothing but a suggestion - I don't like to ask the community for anything, so I'm not asking anything. But in this case, the community is the only one who can work this out, so i figured i could write my 2 cents :)

[thisnameistaken]

I'd be interested in contributing to something like that. More interested than I would be in writing for ASS specifically.

[Fischfix]

i could setup a small news-gathering website, where actual leagues can upload/write their news into a RSS feed, someone has then turn this information into articles... it's actually in php and i can give each contributor of news an own account to write those articles and stuff. it is integrated in a cms i use, so no big deal i think... and hope :)

what do you think? i hope rss does not make that much traffic...


but what about the lfs-news guys. i think they already run the facilities we need, don't they?

[Viper93]

Yes that is what Victor was tyring to say =) LFS news is all setup for what the comunity needs in the way of news. Its just getting people to use it.

[J.B.]

Just reading through the GPL preservation society article... and this line made me chuckle..

"Even online, many of the leagues are still thriving; UKGPL is about to start season 13 with four divisions, GPL isn't going anywhere for a while yet.

rFactor, NkPro, GTR and the like are all excelent simulator platforms but that misses the point"



ASS is always full of these kind of comments. I remember sentences like "netkar will be using an online payment system as has been proven to be very successful with rfactor" or "netkar doesn't yet have a statistics website like rfactor's raceworld" as if rfactor were some kind of great innovator of simracing. That's either plain cluelessness or intentional omission. Either way, this kind of writing put me off reading ASS a long time ago.

And I don't see why any LFS'ers should worry about LFS not being in ASS. I mean ASS tries to make money by attracting simracers as readers and yet they ignore the most popular current sim and it's many leagues. Maybe it's ASS that should worry? With more income they could maybe even pay people who know how to write interesting articles. :) Most are just too long or sound like advertisments.

[tristancliffe]

LFS is above ASS. Only mediocre sims get into ASS on a regular basis - the ones that have been dumbed down for the masses. As time goes by you'll see less and less nKP articles (when it becomes less of a joke, and hence less write aboutable).

ISI sims will remain in it for as long as they insist on making their games unrealistic.

[frokki]

:feedtroll

:D

[Bob Smith]

http://lfs.thefloatingwidget.net/pics/ass.jpg

[bbman]

LFS is above ASS.

The comments of their licensed drivers aren't...

I'm not fond of ASS myself, that's exactly the reason why I didn't even bother saying something about it, but this thread sunk even below ASS' levels... We've heard all about it, can we move on now?