Launch control

[wheel4hummer]

Would it be possible?

[XCNuse]

nope
well... not online atleast

[ATHome]

It would be possible for sure. But I don't think LFS will ever see a launch control.

[the_angry_angel]

If you mean a third party add on - yes possible, although I dont think it would be very good as we cant control which wheel to brake.

[colcob]

Hmm, I guess in theory you could make a program that was the analogue equivalent of a button macro, whereby you preset the clutch/throttle inputs to run on the press of a button. But it wouldnt be very flexible and if you did loose traction you'd be screwed until the macro finished.

AFAIK the outsim output doesnt include anything about individual wheelspeeds or rpm, so you couldnt use that to actually detect wheelspin.

[tristancliffe]

It's for big girls blouses anyway

But I guess you knew I'd say that...

[three_jump]

Launch control, why? It's so damn funny to see the f08 spin at the start when you are racing the oval :D

3j

[AndyC]

Launch control, why? It's so damn funny to see the f08 spin at the start when you are racing the oval :D

3j

Ye its funny until your caught in the mayhem.

Andy.

[Bosse]

Launch control, why? It's so damn funny to see the f08 spin at the start when you are racing the oval :D

3j

I just take it easy on the start... I never spin around (and I drive with mouse so it would be harder for me?) but I've got hit by some other dude who did spin a couple of times... And I got very mad so a Launch Control would be very nice!

[XCNuse]

ya but that launch control would not work online, because im sure LFS would see it as a "helper" therefore being a "cheat"

[nikimere]

i vote NO to the Launch Control! anything that takes away from driver skill in my book is a bad idea! if you cant get a car off the line then go practice.

[Bosse]

ya but that launch control would not work online, because im sure LFS would see it as a "helper" therefore being a "cheat"

But the game i supposed to be realistic? And then maybe there should be a launch control? But I don't know if there is any launch control in these racing classes...

i vote NO to the Launch Control! anything that takes away from driver skill in my book is a bad idea! if you cant get a car off the line then go practice.

Havent you crashed beacause of some other spin around in the start? And maybe the race wont be restarted. Then maybe you would like the launch control?

[hrtburnout]

then kick the guy and let him practice

[Madman_CZ]

launch control is a big no.... maybe traction control would sout some people online lol.... its redicilous how many people spin in a fo8 race lol.....

[the_angry_angel]

I'm just looking at this from a technical point of view;Hmm, I guess in theory you could make a program that was the analogue equivalent of a button macro, whereby you preset the clutch/throttle inputs to run on the press of a button. But it wouldnt be very flexible and if you did loose traction you'd be screwed until the macro finished.Interesting idea...but not how I envisaged this...AFAIK the outsim output doesnt include anything about individual wheelspeeds or rpm, so you couldnt use that to actually detect wheelspin.I was thinking more along the lines of using in/outsim to detect any sharp deviance in the directional vector, and then cutting throttle/applying brakes where appropriate. No additional steering involved, and not perfect, but it could work, in theory (assuming we could find some way to alter the incoming axis information to LFS - which brings us back to hooking I fear).

But overall, I agree, I'm not for this idea - although it would help some of the F08 Oval junkies.

[AndroidXP]

Geez, just start in 2nd. Or 3rd. Or learn to control the throttle. Or kick the 'noob' not willing to learn.

[nikimere]

Havent you crashed beacause of some other spin around in the start? And maybe the race wont be restarted. Then maybe you would like the launch control?
Yep and it is annoying but i either let them spinthen go or drive around them, if they're really bad ask them to leave and go practice. if that doesn't work and they keep hitting ppl off vote to disco them.
Adding an option just cause people annoy u is stupid, especially one that would ruin the game.

[steve30x]

what is it with all you elitist drivers. you all think your gods at lfs or something and you all think noobs shouldnt be allowed to play online. This LFS community used to be nice but now its full of elitst drivers that gang up on noobs. Give the noobs a break.

if the launch control was there there always could be an option to turn it off. I think traction control and spin control should implemented and if so there could be an option to turn it off. yes i know theres a similar option to traction control in LFS but it isnt very good and doesnt realy work.

just because you guys are good at this game and dont like the traction control , spin control and launch control dont mean you have to laugh at those or be down on those of us that like the idea.

now let the flaming begin. (i realy dont care)

[budabudabass]

what is it with all you elitist drivers. you all think your gods at lfs or something and you all think noobs shouldnt be allowed to play online. This LFS community used to be nice but now its full of elitst drivers that gang up on noobs. Give the noobs a break.

if the launch control was there there always could be an option to turn it off. I think traction control and spin control should implemented and if so there could be an option to turn it off. yes i know theres a similar option to traction control in LFS but it isnt very good and doesnt realy work.

just because you guys are good at this game and dont like the traction control , spin control and launch control dont mean you have to laugh at those or be down on those of us that like the idea.

now let the flaming begin. (i realy dont care)

A "noob" is always going to be slower round a track regardless of what driving aids they have. They WILL get in the way of serious racers when they are learning. That's why they should do it offline. I see it as rude to enter a race with a car/track combo i'm not comfortable with as I know there's a decent chance I'll mess up someone's race. If you don't know how a certain car should be driven round a certain track driving aids won't make any difference.

[nikimere]

what is it with all you elitist drivers. you all think your gods at lfs or something and you all think noobs shouldnt be allowed to play online. This LFS community used to be nice but now its full of elitst drivers that gang up on noobs. Give the noobs a break.

if the launch control was there there always could be an option to turn it off. I think traction control and spin control should implemented and if so there could be an option to turn it off. yes i know theres a similar option to traction control in LFS but it isnt very good and doesnt realy work.

just because you guys are good at this game and dont like the traction control , spin control and launch control dont mean you have to laugh at those or be down on those of us that like the idea.

now let the flaming begin. (i realy dont care)

NOT FLAMING

Launch Control is going to be faster so if we had it in the game people wouldn't turn it off. Everyone wants to be fast so if leaving it turned on was going to make you faster then they'd do that.
Those sort of things take away from the driver input, and anything that does so makes it less of a simulator imo.
If you stick Launch Control in the people will want 'Auto Cornering' because the n00b's cant drive around corners without spinning. Where will it end?
I'm not giving out about n00b's, they are perfectly entitled to be as slow as they want because they are learning. I just dont think the game should be made easier because of this.

[AndroidXP]

The emphasis was on 'noob' not newbie. A 'noob' is someone whose behaviour can be best described as the average CS player. Not knowing anything, no racing skills, but not willing to learn either. Has the bad habit of morphing into a wrecker when things don't run the way he likes (read: they find out they can't drive LFS like NFS)

[steve30x]

i used to love playing LFS but the attitude of racers got out of hand and all the fun went out of it. now 90% of racers on LFS just want to be serious racing and never have fun. most arent willing to help those that are willing to learn and as said above think its rude to enter a race when you dont know how to handle the car. well i think its very rude to not offer help to those that are willing to learn and its even more rude to ban without asking if their new of they need help.

no im not trolling. i saw this thread and thought it would be a good idea but then i see most of the posts putting down the idea. what happened to freedom of speech and respecting others and their views. ive found a game with a nicer community and will stick to it until or if this community becomes helpful and respectful of others views and is willing to help the newbies.

[Spinjack]

A "noob" is always going to be slower round a track regardless of what driving aids they have. They WILL get in the way of serious racers when they are learning. That's why they should do it offline. I see it as rude to enter a race with a car/track combo i'm not comfortable with as I know there's a decent chance I'll mess up someone's race. If you don't know how a certain car should be driven round a certain track driving aids won't make any difference.

How else is noob going to race against other drivers? The LFS AI is as bad as any noob for running people off the track and very difficult to train with. My only beef will noobs is when they think they can race and don't hang back a bit, staying out of the way. The flip side is that some of the so-called 'expert' drivers can't pass a back marker to save their lives. If you see an obviously nooby driver, give him/her some room and be smart about making the pass. You may loose a little time, but its better than forcing the issue and loosing a lot of time.

But, back on topic. I consistently use a pretty effective traciton control system whn I race. Its called my right foot. :D

[wheel4hummer]

It does work sometimes when I pump the gas button! But, they have launch control on some cars in REALITY! Back on topic, does anyone know of a program that can modify the control inputs to have a set amount of throttle for a certain amount of time? (Or, you hold the button until you are at a high enough RPM and then let go?)

[Sgt. Stinger]

I really think that ppl are rude. for example (in demo version but still) i was in a race on blackwood GT track, doing my 1.40 laps in the XF GTi (im improving :P)
and some knucklehead who is goin round 1.36 rear ends me because i didnt let him pass, only 2 secs after i got the blue flag (right in first corner and chicane i got it,where he and i was almost as fast))
and he says "get out of the way of real drivers n00b"
sure its the demo but honestly dot many S2 drivers drive on demoservers sometimes? I'd say so, since some ppl on the servers is going REALLY fast....

[budabudabass]

How else is noob going to race against other drivers? The LFS AI is as bad as any noob for running people off the track and very difficult to train with. My only beef will noobs is when they think they can race and don't hang back a bit, staying out of the way. The flip side is that some of the so-called 'expert' drivers can't pass a back marker to save their lives. If you see an obviously nooby driver, give him/her some room and be smart about making the pass. You may loose a little time, but its better than forcing the issue and loosing a lot of time.

But, back on topic. I consistently use a pretty effective traciton control system whn I race. Its called my right foot. :D

It's ok once they've learnt the track and that because at least they can get round and their driving shouldn't be so scatty you don't have to crap yourself when passing them... It's just when someone joins a race with a track/car combination they have no experience of whatsoever.. that's when bad things happen. I probably should have been more clear, but I'd just had a crap day at work when i wrote that.

Also, it'd help if some people were told what a blue flag meant... there are a lot of people who honestly don't know, and that causes trouble as well.

[budabudabass]

I really think that ppl are rude. for example (in demo version but still) i was in a race on blackwood GT track, doing my 1.40 laps in the XF GTi (im improving :P)
and some knucklehead who is goin round 1.36 rear ends me because i didnt let him pass, only 2 secs after i got the blue flag (right in first corner and chicane i got it,where he and i was almost as fast))
and he says "get out of the way of real drivers n00b"
sure its the demo but honestly dot many S2 drivers drive on demoservers sometimes? I'd say so, since some ppl on the servers is going REALLY fast....

That's just mean... 1.40's hardly far off 1.36 reaaally. Some people are just impatient.. I bet they drive a BMW in real life.

[Sgt. Stinger]

Well, maybe... but i dont want to be judgemental :D
Anyway, the reason that he was behind me and not in front of me was because i came in 50 sec after the start in a 12 lap race, and i didnt want to wait...
not very smart of me but anyway :D

[AndroidXP]

So, you were being lapped, got a blue flag, and didn't let him pass. What's the point here? Ofcourse he should have evaded you but there's a difference between "not letting him pass because you don't want to" and "not letting him pass because you couldn't".

Whatever, using the demo to judge anything but the physics is a waste of time anyways :D

[Sgt. Stinger]

So, you were being lapped, got a blue flag, and didn't let him pass. What's the point here? Ofcourse he should have evaded you but there's a difference between "not letting him pass because you don't want to" and "not letting him pass because you couldn't".

Whatever, using the demo to judge anything but the physics is a waste of time anyways :D

hey i was in the midle of a turn (a turn where we were he was just 2-3 km/h faster) if i would have let him pass i would have crashed! he just couldnt wait for the straight, so he rear ended me so i crashed anyway....
besides this is way off topic so i suggest we leave the thing...

[Spinjack]

Ofcourse he should have evaded you but there's a difference between "not letting him pass because you don't want to" and "not letting him pass because you couldn't".


Bingo.

The faster drivers need to understand the difference. Many don't.

[hrtburnout]

:iagree:

[wheel4hummer]

Okay, repeating what I said before, and hopefully getting back on topic, is there a program that can modify inputs?

[the_angry_angel]

Yes, but not in the manner you want to.

[marsden1002]

do we have launch control on normal cars - NO

Maybe implement traction control, but this still takes away the edge. I want too see a fully tranny box with kickdown, but know its never ever going to happen - and i use manual all the time.

Just be a nice thing to see, if im on the phone while racing,


Sorry to go off the point BTW!!

[Go-carter]

You know BMW M3?

It has Launch control.....:thumb:

[XCNuse]

rofl whats the need for launch control on normal cars?! lol

i've never seen a honda element take off from a green light so fast the wheels spin :p

[Cue-Ball]

I do not want to see launch control or traction control added to LFS. The only cars that need this feature are the faster ones anyway (GTR cars, Formula, etc). If you can't take off from a dead stop in those cars without spinning in a circle, you shouldn't be driving them. Simple as that.

It has nothing to do with hating "noobs" or not wanting new people to play on public servers (Hell, I'M a new player!). It is a simple matter of getting in over your head and driving a car that is too fast/powerful for you to handle. I consider myself to be pretty decent in the road cars and FOX, and okay (not quick, but able to stay on the track) with the GTR cars, but there's no way in hell I'm going to join a multiplayer F08 race. Not only would I not be competitive, I'd just be in the way. Once I can run quick hotlaps in that car, THEN I can go online to race.

Why do people have such a problem staying away from a car they can't handle? It's not your god given right to drive the F08 on a public server if you're so slow and/or dangerous that you're ruining everyone else's race.

[XCNuse]

Why do people have such a problem staying away from a car they can't handle? It's not your god given right to drive the F08 on a public server if you're so slow and/or dangerous that you're ruining everyone else's race.
ya.. seriously...

when someone comes up with an answer, please notify me too

its like my F1 thread; no one said you HAVE to race it.. or muchless like it in the first place, but heck.. im sure people in LFS hate the FV8 (or UF1k) depending on their personality

[marsden1002]

rofl whats the need for launch control on normal cars?! lol

i've never seen a honda element take off from a green light so fast the wheels spin :p

But my Lexus Is200 can do massive burnouts from line. Point is, you can get a 1.2 Clio doing massive wheel spins from line, but it dont spin out. Just go easy on throttle, and use 2nd or 3rd gear!

[JamesF1]

Its actually relatively simple to make a launch control util for LFS but it wouldn't work exactly as launch control does. And no, I'm not making one as I think its a pointless idea. Just learn to drive better :p

[wheel4hummer]

Could you make some suggestions on how to make launch control? Or are you just gonna be an asshole?

[marsden1002]

James F1 is correct. If you want TRC and launch control, go and race on a different game. Just pratice and you will get the hang of it, Launch Control is a thing for NOOBS!!

[wheel4hummer]

I just want to make a simple program, so that way I can gain programming experiance. (And then make my own game someday)

[mrodgers]

If you want launch control, just decrease your gear ratio in 1st gear!!! You probably don't use 1st gear anywhere on the track except for the start and leaving the pits, so wack that baby down closer to your 2nd gear ratio. I have 1st gear of my FZR at 2.500 and 2nd gear at 2.000 and, well, I still spin a little at the start, but you can back it down a little closer than that. Just play with your ratio in 1st until you stop spinning. I take off about 2/3 or so throttle without spinning with these ratios.

[JamesF1]

Could you make some suggestions on how to make launch control? Or are you just gonna be an asshole?
I was going to be an "asshole", but really its quite simple. Just figure out what throttle needs to be applied for the perfect start, map that to a timeline (it would have to be car-based - i.e. a different map for each car) and then just make the program 'play' it back as control input - possibly activated by a keyboard command.

[hrtburnout]

isn't there a throttle control button in the options menu/

[JamesF1]

Yeah, there is "Throttle Help", but that doesn't really do the function of Launch Control too well.

[Klichka]

Launch Control would kind of be cheating. I do however think that Traction Control (Or wheel spin reduction) and ABS would be good things to add. Just make them a little overbearing if it gives too much of an advantage. (Not to the point of gimping rookies, just to the point that you are basically going to get around faster with the stuff off.)

[hrtburnout]

:bump:

[herki]

Launch Control would kind of be cheating. I do however think that Traction Control (Or wheel spin reduction) and ABS would be good things to add. Just make them a little overbearing if it gives too much of an advantage. (Not to the point of gimping rookies, just to the point that you are basically going to get around faster with the stuff off.)

don't we have them already - called "throttle help" and "brake help" ?:scratchch

[[RCG]Boosted]

i dont know whats the point for that.
yesterday i tried for fun to drive with a joystick (for planesimulation) kinda crappy to drive lol, but for me as mouse driver it was a good example how it is to acclerate with joypad / pedals. and i have to say , the FO8 feels like the XFG lol.
and for the guys who r driving with keyboard and / or mouse , just hit a higher gear on start and all is fine.
so i think a launch control would be stupid and useless. dont forget its a simulation :thumb:

[huze5]

If you mean a third party add on - yes possible, although I dont think it would be very good as we cant control which wheel to brake.

patch z10 has abs which can brake any wheel. if they could do that why cant you use it to drive off?

[Shadowww]

patch z10 has abs which can brake any wheel. if they could do that why cant you use it to drive off?
Congrats on 4 year bump.

Patch Z10 wasn't available in 2005th year.

[John5200]

Congrats on 4 year bump.

Patch Z10 wasn't available in 2005th year.
atleast he used the search button:ices_rofl

[Zen321]

Yeah, that was a massive bump !

IMHO, driving aids should not be allowed online. (except for inputs aids in the control panel, since some devices need to have a proper input refinement before being entirely driveable). It is nothing against beginners, it is just that you'd better be thrown in the seat of a hard-to-drive car and learn how to drive it, than going slowly with aids, and having to learn it all over again.

[nismoCat]

The thing that sux about this forum is if you bump something old you get flamed! :really: But if you start a new thread you get flamed! :really: bloody flame flame flame

[evilpimp]

The thing that sux about this forum is if you bump something old you get flamed! :really: But if you start a new thread you get flamed! :really: bloody flame flame flame

Depends how you bump. If you bump to answer a 4 year old question, it's pretty much pointless. Specially in this case.

Now on topic, I don't see why you'd need Launch Control in LFS... In most cars just flooring it is the fastest way lol.

[S14 DRIFT]

atleast he used the search button:ices_rofl

Lol, yeah true I guess. :shrug:

[blakehoo88]

unlike the others i am going to congratulate you for bumping a 4 year old thread race on :)

[Feffe85]

Then let me bump a 1 month old thread with a big "+1" to the original idea..

It wont make u faster and it cant be counted as a cheat, as all it does is make u stay at a certain rpm at the start, or whenever u want it to.. how can it make u faster? if u spin the wheels at the start cause ur flooring it, wouldnt u spin them at 4k also?

just so stupid, if someone wants a Launch Control, let them have it. I think it would be a fun thing to play around with.. just like that RPM Limiter thingie someone did.. just a fun thing ffs..

[amp88]

Launch control, why? It's so damn funny to see the f08 spin at the start when you are racing the oval :D

3j

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1134644#post1134644

;)

[BOOSTD]

Not sure on exactly how people interpret Launch Control.

On my car it works like this:

Throttle position sensor set to 30%
Set at 4100rpm
Road speed sensor set to 15kph.

Basically if I am doing under 15 kph and hold the accelerator more then 30% LC is engaged.

It doesnt just hold the RPM, it enriches fuel mixture and retards timing which means the car builds boost.

I can sit on the spot and make 12psi with no load what so ever on the engine. When I let the clutch go I am already on boost as opposed to a standard car running in vacuum.

If its done accurately I think this could be a really good addition to LFS - but you would need the TPS, RSS and RPM values to be tweakable.

[wheel4hummer]

What the hell was I thinking four years ago, when I made this thread. :schwitz:

[travbrad]

Havent you crashed beacause of some other spin around in the start? And maybe the race wont be restarted. Then maybe you would like the launch control?

Haven't you had someone crash into you into a corner or under braking? Get rid of all corners and braking zones! ;)