No Antialiasing or anisotropic filtering [Archive]

ree44u

17th January 2007, 20:20

Hi,

I can no longer use AA or AF in LFS. It just won't activate. Jaggy lines etc. really bad compared to having AA and AF on. I turn it on in the ATI settings as normal but nothing seems to work!

It works in cmx viewer and all my other apps but not LFS, just stopped working for some reason?

I hope some of you may be able to give me some help.

Thanks in advance!

Bob Smith

17th January 2007, 20:56

I get the same problem with LFS, ATI card here too. However if I use a resolution different to my desktop resolution (either higher or lower) it works fine. Try that. Not the perfect solution I must admit, I don't want to turn the resolution down - that makes the graphics worse when FPS isn't an issue - and I don't want to run the res up because the low refresh rate makes my eyes ache.

Highsider9

17th January 2007, 21:07

Start > All Programs > Ati Catalyst Control Center > Advanced > Restart Runtime works for me. But i have to do this everytime i start LFS.

Linsen

17th January 2007, 21:33

Alric

18th January 2007, 08:57

Taking into account that there's also this other problem with AA and AF (when going to windowed mode and back), there seems to be a problem with patch V I guess. Or has this happened to anyone before?

I can't remember if it happened before the latest patch or not but it really annoys me if i play multiplayer because it stops AA and everything is jagged. So im back to playing single player more. Having said that if i'm really quick at pressing shift and F4 from windowed mode to full screen in multiplayer it keeps AA working. Wierd...!

AndroidXP

18th January 2007, 09:14

Alt-Tabbing in and out usually solves the problem for me, though I have a nVidia card. If you fear to corrupt anything by using Alt-Tab, a quick resolution change forth and back (using Shift+[F9-F12]) fixes it too.

Sniiki

25th May 2007, 15:29

Still no fix for this issue?

Renku

26th May 2007, 00:29

What issue? I'm using AtiTrayTools and I never lose AA and AF!

yegadoyai

26th May 2007, 01:07

ATi tray tools does not always work for me or my friend. So far that is an X700 Pro, X800 GTO and an X1950Pro, so it's not an issue with the cards. However, if you do use ATT then you can always alt tab out and select the profile for AA/AF and then alt tab back in. I assumed it was down to the way ATT checks to see what executable is running but occasionaly it fails to apply AA and AF even when they are forced.

Renku

26th May 2007, 01:32

Scawen really needs to implement AA+AF to LFS :nod:. I could get rid of ATT too.
Someone bump this (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=1540) thread and this (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=22970) and this (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=10057) and this (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=459) and...

anik360

26th May 2007, 02:57

ATI tray tools also has pretty nifty stuff like overclocking and unlike catalyst control center it forces any game to have AA and AF and plus u can even bump up how much aa or af is needed (no im not talking about x8 or x16 stuff) its optimizing aa and af.

Here is the link: http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=733 :nod::nod:

Hope that fixes your problem and update to latest drivers without the control center so that it wont conflict with tray tools

Sniiki

26th May 2007, 05:51

I would agree with Renku that these options should be in LFS.

So far I've managed to get it work using 16bit mode of the currect resolution :( (Alt tabbing, res changing, runtime restarting etc. etc. stopped working after last driver update)

I know Atitool is much better but last time I used it, I wasn't happy with its OC feature since it overclocked both 2D and 3D modes so that the card always ran the OC clocks *HOT* *HOT*.

But maybe there's the "3D mode OC only" feature included now?

DEVIL 007

26th May 2007, 08:04

guys please realize it that ALT-TAB might cause graphical issues for any card no matter NVIDIA or ATI.

Both compnaies claimed the ALT-TAB issue is somewhere in windows and this is not offficial way to get back to desktop so you might loose for example AA+AF.NVIDIA has this implemented better way.Back when I used ATI 8500 I had the same problems loosing AA+AF in LFS when I did ALT-TAB.I think this is more ATI drivers issue for a very long time then LFS issue.I dont want Scawen to spend ages just because there is also mess in ATI drivers.

If LFS use DX8 then there is no possibility to implement Game controlled AA+AF.LFS would need to be DX9 application.

Also if you will set up profile with ATI tools the overcloking will be applied only in 3D mode.Download always latest version which have a lot bug fixes.

You can report the loosing AA+AF on ATI pages.Just describe what is the issue,how it happend and in what game.The more of you will report the higher it will get on the bug ladder for ATI drivers team.

Alex_Tiger

26th May 2007, 08:44

i had this problem since patch v i think. and i went through 2 or 3 situations of this kind. first when i alt-tab'd i would lose aa and af but when i did that again they were back...no big deal i said...then it wouldn't work at all, so the next method i found was that when i lose aa i enterd the pits screen then alt-tab to windows then alt-tab back and bingo they were on (all this with catalyst not att). then after a while sudently non of these simed to work anymore. so i went and download ati tray tools and it worked again but this time on all tracks there were places where i experienced some preaty nasty "errors" (faulty card like...lines on the screen comeing from the wheel, roof, fences, track, etc. different colors all directions just like a card going mad) and many call it overheating :) well in my case it wasen't...the cooler was spining right, card was not overheating. then i installed some new drivers for my ati 9600 series and without att help i was able to get rid of that nasty errors and the aa and af was back as i meantioned first time. then again catalys faild and i had to get back to att again but now to regain aa and af in-game i have to alt-tab reselect a profile then alt-tab back. and i got that faulty card error thing and it pisses me off. soon i hope i get a nvidia card...but untill then what can i do?

Sniiki

26th May 2007, 09:08

DEVIL 007

26th May 2007, 09:36

Hi Sniiki,

what drivers you use now?
As I said I had already that problem with ATI 8500.Same behaviour.I really think its the ATI drivers isssue for every long time:(.

I remember its not 1st time ATI drivers made problem to LFS.A long time ago there was some huge performance drop with some line of ATI drivers.So guys with something like ATI X800 had 10FPS ooposite to usual 80FPS and more.Later drivers corrected.

I think it would very really nice if more guys who has ATI cards reported the lost of AA+AF in LFS on ATI(AMD) pages so it will get their attention.

I have now NVIDIA card and no problems with AA+AF si it must be really ATIs fault.

Sniiki

26th May 2007, 10:16

Ati DD 7.4 have tried several older ones too, more or less same problem.
Have to report to Ati like you said..

Guess I just have to use AtiTool then. Don't like its profilesystem tho as there's no option to make profile that includes 3D settings & clock settings except game profile, and I don't want to make profile for every app I have.
I only would need a profile for 3D with high clocks and full AA & AF.

Sniiki

26th May 2007, 12:49

Nice quick reply from ATI but not so supprisingly, it wasn't any helpfull.
No matter how hard I tried to say that this is a common problem and only exists when using CCC.

Greetings!
Based on our experience, games issues are usually due to improper system configurations, driver issues, faulty hardware or a known issue with the game and the hardware or drivers that you are using.
First ensure your system meets the minimum requirements of the game and that you have any patches from the game vendor installed.
If your computer meets all of the system requirements, please check our Knowledge Base and the release notes of the driver you are using to see if there are any known issues or solutions for the game you are playing. If you are unable to find information on the specific problem you are having in our Knowledge Base, please check with the software vendor for any known issues or problems. If the problem persists, review the full details for trouble shooting game related issues at the link provided below:
http://www. ati.com/online/customercare/solutions/gamesrevised.html (http://www.ati.com/online/customercare/solutions/gamesrevised.html)
If these suggestions don't help to resolve your issues, please respond to the ticket and one of our qualified support representatives will assist you. To respond to this ticket you must visit http://support.ati.com (http://support.ati.com/) and login to My Support.
Thank you for choosing ATI!

DEVIL 007

26th May 2007, 18:36

Did you respond back to the ticket?
If no pleas do that and hopefully more guys will report the same issue.

Then the guys at ATI should notice it finally.We need more people.

Sniiki

26th May 2007, 19:07

Yea sure I responded, no such a quick reply back like the 1st one yet so maybe they atleast noticed it's not another newbie issue.

DEVIL 007

26th May 2007, 22:33

we need really more people reporting that issue to ATI.

DEVIL 007

27th May 2007, 20:57

Yea sure I responded, no such a quick reply back like the 1st one yet so maybe they atleast noticed it's not another newbie issue.
any news from ATI on this issue?

MAGGOT

27th May 2007, 21:08

I reported this to ATI last month I think it was, after I tried an upgrade to 7.4. The ONLY way I could get AA and AF in any program which didn't have its own settings was to install older drivers, and NEVER turn down the AA and AF for any reason or I would lose them until I did another reinstall.

I'm currently using the newest OMEGA drivers, but I'm getting crappy performance from them so I gotta change at some point. I wish I knew which drivers came on my system so that I could get them back, they ran great. (Driver rollback won't work.)

DEVIL 007

27th May 2007, 21:11

Could you report again please.I know it sounds stupid as you did already but we need to hammering them so they start dping something about it..Its the driver issue.Maybe some sort of disfunction AA+DX8.Dunno.ATI would need to test it.

Sniiki

28th May 2007, 17:55

I've had no problems with other games/apps, just with combination LFS & CCC.

Just got mail from ATI that says:
Solution:I have directed the feedback to the Catalyst Crew Team for investigation.

Nothing else..

Cue-Ball

28th May 2007, 21:53

I recently built a new system and am having the same problem. AA and AF don't work in LFS no matter what I try. I've got an ATI X800 GTO2 running Catalyst v7.4. I've tried setting the AA/AF manually to multiple different settings, and also tried using the "quality" slider. None of those fixed the problem. I tried changing my resolution in LFS using the menu and using the F9-F12 keys. That didn't work. I tried going to window mode and back. That didn't work. I even tried Alt+tabbing, and that didn't work either. AA and AF do NOT work, at all, no matter what.

Does anyone know of a driver that DOES work?

edit: This is a clean install of Patch W.

DEVIL 007

28th May 2007, 22:23

Hi Cue-Ball,

try much older then 7.4.Maybe from 6 series of drivers?

Also please report you problem to ATI as Sniiki did.As I said the more guys will report the bigger chance it will get solved by them.

Cue-Ball

29th May 2007, 05:14

Ticket filed with ATI.

Sniiki

29th May 2007, 05:24

Yeah, respond to that 1st answer you get (respond from ati site) becouse it's the usual bs to help newbies. Or maybe they start redirecting LFS AA related issues directly to Catalyst Crew if there's many same kind of problems.

Lautsprecher[NOR]

29th May 2007, 08:31

Using ATT and making an LFS-profile fixes this. Looks to me like the driver is restarted with correct settings before the game's started.

DEVIL 007

29th May 2007, 08:32

Ticket filed with ATI.
thank you!
As Sniiki said please respond to their answer.This will forward then the issue to the Calayst driver team.

Sniiki

29th May 2007, 08:40

;435954']Using ATT and making an LFS-profile fixes this. Looks to me like the driver is restarted with correct settings before the game's started.

Yea that's been told many times. Maybe I'm weirdo or lazy or something but I'd prefer to use CCC as it controls the fan in factory limits, now I'm afraid to choose too low rpms and then comes the noise, also I'm not sure if ATT shows the temps correctly or atleast they are higher than what CCC used to show as I recall. Now temps keep rising near 60 on desktop use with 2D clocks with noisy rpms (CCC used to keep it quiet and temps showed much lower) :scratchch

Those damn GPU+mem waterblocks are too expensive still imo (in finland atleast).

EDIT. Please post your temp / rpm % tables so I could compare.

EDIT EDIT. Also, can I make a general 3D profile with ATT so I don't have to make separate shortcut for every game/app ?
Just a profile that rises clocks and puts AA and AF on.

SladiVadi

29th May 2007, 21:12

Do you use some regcleaner? I had this problem when I deleted some Ati entry.
After de installing the drivers and trying to get an Nvidia to work, those drivers wouldn't install either.
I reinstalled Windows anyway but maybe try some driver cleaner.

Sniiki

30th May 2007, 05:12

Tried regclean with no luck. And as other apps work ok, I don't think it's registry or any other installation issue. But that's just me.

Lautsprecher[NOR]

30th May 2007, 07:23

EDIT EDIT. Also, can I make a general 3D profile with ATT so I don't have to make separate shortcut for every game/app ?
Just a profile that rises clocks and puts AA and AF on.
I use the max quality D3D-profile that comes with ATT for most of my games. I just set up Game profiles so that the correct profile loads before tha game starts.
EDIT. Please post your temp / rpm % tables so I could compare.

Sniiki

30th May 2007, 08:49

;437024']I use the max quality D3D-profile that comes with ATT for most of my games. I just set up Game profiles so that the correct profile loads before tha game starts.

Yea but I meant that how to make common profile that can be started without linking it to a game. So that I don't have to make separate shortcut for every game/app.
It sounds quite stupid not to be able to start 3D profile without starting a game (own 3D profile, not those that comes with ATT).
Maybe I've just missed something...

40% fan speed is rather noisy on my sapphire 1900xt. 20% or bit below gives the silent operation that CCC used to do on desktop use.

For 3D profiles I use higher speeds.

Cue-Ball

30th May 2007, 19:18

Tried regclean with no luck. And as other apps work ok, I don't think it's registry or any other installation issue. But that's just me.The AA/AF problem is not registry related. I'm having the problem on my system and it is a clean install of XP SP2. I installed last week and the only video drivers that have been on my system are the Catalyst 7.4 drivers.

DEVIL 007

30th May 2007, 21:23

Hi Cue-ball,

did you reported that to ATI already?If not please do that asap and metnioedn LFS as well.

Cue-Ball

31st May 2007, 02:58

Hi Cue-ball,

did you reported that to ATI already?If not please do that asap and metnioedn LFS as well.
Like I said on the last page, I filed a ticket with ATI. I basically got back an email that said "thanks for contacting us, but don't expect to get a reply back."

I gave as much info as I could, so hopefully they'll be able to reproduce the problem and can fix it. It really pisses me off that this doesn't work. I built a new machine specifically to play LFS and now I can't even play with AA enabled. I've had a lot of trouble with ATI cards and won't be buying from them again. Their drivers always seem to have major issues.

shiny_red_cobra

1st June 2007, 17:31

Crashgate3

1st June 2007, 18:45

My ATi card was a bit funny a while ago with regards to anti-aliasing. I switched to the Omega drivers and it fixed it completely.

Cue-Ball

1st June 2007, 18:54

Good news. ATI released Catalyst 7.5 today and this issue seems to be fixed, at least for me. At first AA/AF didn't work, but I had to change colour modes to 16-bit, then back to 32-bit and like magic it started working.That is good news! I'll have to give it a shot when I get home.

Just in time for patch X! :)

edit: 7.5 fixed the issue for me.

Gabkicks

16th June 2007, 23:27

Still no clue what causes this.:(

Gunn

17th June 2007, 00:21

This used to happen to me a long time ago but either one of the patches or a driver change remedied the problem. Nvidia in use here.

Lautsprecher[NOR]

17th June 2007, 02:20

It sounds quite stupid not to be able to start 3D profile without starting a game (own 3D profile, not those that comes with ATT).
Maybe I've just missed something...You can do that to, they're the same profiles.

J.B.

28th June 2007, 21:59

With 7.5 I only had to reload the ATT profile when I switched to window and back. Now with 7.6 I need to use ATT after every single LFS start. :(

Dizman

30th June 2007, 11:48

I started getting the same problem again with the 7.4 drivers. Tried testing whether it was the actual driver causing the problem or if it was the CCC itself. I ended up downloading and installing CCC and the drivers separately and i'm currently running 7.3 CCC with 7.5 drivers with the AA/AF initialization problems gone. :schwitz:

So it looks like it's CCC that's causing it, at least it was for me.

This is with an x1950xtx and XP btw.

[DUcK]

30th June 2007, 14:47

OMG! Diz made a post :D

hi diz!! :)

arco

30th June 2007, 15:34

He must be bored, or have too much free time, or both :D

I think 7.6 is released. Dunno if it's fixed there.

Dizman

1st July 2007, 03:33

He must be bored, or have too much free time, or both :D

BINGO! :D

SR BaCkFiRe

1st July 2007, 07:46

I used to have these problems... but I fixed it by deleting the old drivers completely and downloading the new ones. I think it's because the video card is still somewhat "hung up" on the old driver? I don't know :shrug: haha

J.B.

17th July 2007, 21:35

I just installed the newest ATT Beta from here (http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=206455).

Now I only need to reapply the AA/AF settings when I use shift-F4, not after every single start of LFS.

anttt69

20th July 2007, 06:57

I am having similar problems with an Nvidia setup. I setup a profile in the CP but the AF just wont kick in even though the AA is working fine ??

Are there any remedy's for this? also I occasionaly get an errror message 'is LFS installed correctly?'

J.B.

30th July 2007, 21:55

srdsprinter

28th September 2007, 00:23

Wow... bumpage... FTL...

Just Got a X1950Pro, upgraded from a X850XT which had No Problems with regards to AA/AF running the omega drivers.

BUT Now,
No AA/AF from Omega, Cat 7.9, Warcat, Cat 7.4...

Found the solution running Max Quality Profile with the ATT... Had no idea this issue existed... sucked trying all these drivers not knowing what was causing it.