Modernise the look of cars

[mr_x]

Here's my 'big' idea. I know these cars aren't real ones (apart from 3), but the cars in LFS right now look dull and old, very boxy too. If you look at them now and compare them to real cars you'd go back to 1990's model cars to find any real similarities, it's 2007 now, most cars these days look modern, more curves on them, much better looking! The year is 2007, I want to think I'm in 2007 when racing.

I'm not asking for new cars, I'm just asking to modernise the look of existing cars, give them a 199x-2007 upgrade. :tilt:

I think it's only these cars that need doing aswell, single seaters.. well, I know nothing about anyway, but they still look the same as they did 10 years ago :P
UF1(R)
XFG(R)
XRG(T/R)
RB4
FXO(R)

[MyBoss]

Sorry, but thats a very bad idea. Thats like asking Ford to change the looks on the old Mustang because its old.

I guess we will get "new", new cars in S3.


And they are supposed to look like that annyway.

[joen]

I believe the UF1 will be updated in the future, although that one especially is based on an old car so it should keep the same shape overall. It just could use some refinement in terms of the modelling.
I think the FXO(R) looks quite modern actually. Don't really think it needs change.
I agree slightly on the XFG and XRG, although I love how the XFR looks, and these are also based on older cars. So I don't really think they need change.

[Davo]

I think the cars look just right. These aren't all cars from 2007 and they shouldn't look that way. The FZ5 is the sexiest car and looks modern to me. New cars that we get will also look more modern, or perhaps we get an old school muscle car :)

For me the looks of modern isn't important. It's the shape and style of the car and they look like a typical car you would see on the road, very familiar but in fact there's nothing really like it.

[EeekiE]

The look of the hatches cannot change. They look like Pre 1993 hatches, from the time hatches were fast and exciting. ANY modern hatch in this game, would be out of place and look dumb.

[herki]

If Eric dares to "modernise" the good ol' cars, I'll come to him and "modernise" him. In my opinion today's cars get worse and worse looking, especially with all these safety measures they need to have. I like the shapes of old cars like the Audi quattro sport back then, nice and boxy.

so minus a bazillion from me :x

[EeekiE]

Agreed. I'm currently saving for a Dialynx SWB Audi Quattro sport conversion for 2008 :D

[Hyperactive]

Basically a 2007 XR GT Turbo would look totally different than the 1990 XR GT Turbo. Only modernising I can think of is to add more details to the cars, not to change their look* :)

Maybe we get the 2007 LX8 ;)

*which is not important atm imho :)

[ajp71]

Really bad idea as already posted the current crop of hatches/small sports coupes are far too big and heavy and would be dull to drive in LFS. I say keep the as they are and make the UF1 look older/like a Mini, it's just the headlights that look silly IMO, I think the devs could get away with proper headlights for it seeing as ISI is getting away with releasing unlicensed full tracks just by changing their names :scratchch

Maybe in S3 we could see some current road cars but they're pretty low on my list as well.

[N I K I]

-1, then that will no more be that car, it would be new car. We will have new cars in S3 :D

[Bob Smith]

Almost all modern road cars (i.e. shopping mobiles) are fugly, even BMWs don't have that aggresive stance anyway. Modern styling is very boring. Nice and aerodynamic and thus fuel efficient, but boring. Every time I see a silver Merc I fall asleep on the spot.

90s cars at least gave you something to look at. Don't weigh as much either, far more useful for racing. :)

[wheel4hummer]

The XFG, XRT, etc. are not meant to be modern, like everyone else is saying. Also, alot of people race 1990's hatches and coupes because they are usually DIRT CHEAP.

[pasibrzuch]

...and others get their Enzo's on track :razz:

Instead of changing cuurent cars, it could be better to add nowadays competitors with ABS etc. and disable that electronic stuff in ours XFG's and XRT's :nod:
...if there was ABS in lfs first...

[mr_x]

Oh well, looks like that idea didn't go down too well, and that I'm the only one who seems to like modern day styling. Although I agree with Bob, mercs are boring.

[herki]

Oh well, looks like that idea didn't go down too well, and that I'm the only one who seems to like modern day styling. Although I agree with Bob, mercs are boring.

Best thing would have been suggesting to fit A/C, Airbags, powersteering, ABS, ESP, electrical seats and even doors to the LX's. Now that would make them fun ;)
Just out of curiosity, mr_x, have you driven an old and a new car car to compare? I have much more fun driving an old imperfect car than a new, boring car ... which is just a box on wheels with no character at all :tilt:

[mr_x]

Just out of curiosity, mr_x, have you driven an old and a new car car to compare? I have much more fun driving an old imperfect car than a new, boring car ... which is just a box on wheels with no character at all :tilt:
I drive a 2005 Toyota Yaris, which is fun to drive in a straight line, it just bodyrolls like crazy on corners. But watching things like Top Gear they say the newer cars are becoming more fun to drive again, the new Golf GTI, Ford Focus etc.

I know LFS cars aren't as big as those, anyway, I've just had a thought, they aren't real cars, so why can't they look more modern but drive like they do now? I can't really see much wrong with that :scratchch

EDIT: they don't have to be the same size as modern cars... keep them the sizes they are now, but give them a face lift... never know, might change your mind about newer cars looking crap ;)

[JTbo]

I'm completely against any modern looking cars, they look like they would be designed by designers of Tupperware, well there is very few exceptions to rule. No matter if it is a game or real life, this is my opinion in both :razz:

Boxy shapes are besty shapes :D

I would like to see some older cars, though ;)

[duke_toaster]

Keep the LFS cars as they are. Development should not be delayed due for car models.

[Hyperactive]

I think that the cars in LFS should visually stay quite the same as they were when they were released. And this shows in the car classes too, cars with similar prodction years are in same classes; the TBOs for example have a theme of early nineties/late eighties while the LRF is more of a early 2000s. Only the GTR class is bit of off ball in this, the XRR and FXR looking ten years older than the FZR (which really shows in speed too :p). I have no idea how the devs have thought the car classes to be but imho the cars are quite well presented with different styles of different eras. Maybe the cars could get moving suspension arms with more details, better looking wheels and other small touches but it is quite low priority atm. Interiors need to be updated and they probably get updated this year plus some skinning updated to some S1 cars :)

Modern cars are so ...blank. Boring. Mindless. I'd like to see some GTL cars in LFS ;) Cobras, corvettes etc. :smileypul

[JTbo]

Modern cars are so ...blank. Boring. Mindless. I'd like to see some GTL cars in LFS ;) Cobras, corvettes etc. :smileypul

Yes, tastless, odorless, unisex things without any character.

HSV Gto is nice though, just bit dull looking and interior is too steril, but it is one of the last real cars that can also do corners. New Corvette misses something, it is too steril, even sound is missing all agression :( C3 was nice, too bad it won't do corners without serious work.

Oh yes, anything FWD is also creation of evil, they do exists only because cost efficency, sure some do like from them, but I am not one of them :D

However I'm afraid that I'm starting to be in minority with my preference of cars, I start to feel old again :schwitz::shy:

[mrodgers]

If Eric dares to "modernise" the good ol' cars, I'll come to him and "modernise" him. In my opinion today's cars get worse and worse looking, especially with all these safety measures they need to have. I like the shapes of old cars like the Audi quattro sport back then, nice and boxy.

so minus a bazillion from me :x
Yup, I'm with herki's opinion here. Modern cars all look the same. One manufacture comes out with something, and all the others follow along and copy it. They all look like bubbles to me. I don't want to race around in a bubble. None of today's cars have any charactor. Just boring boring bubbles. Not only that, but if you modernize the cars appearance, would the mechanicals also become modernized? So, we would have traction control, stability control, antilock braking, semi-automatic transmissions, and everything else in modern cars that take all the driving out of driving a car?

[Vain]

There are good looking modern cars.
But most look horrible.

There are cars like the Mercedes A class I basically hate. But why not take a look at the Audi A3 (quattro, anyone?) or BMW E87? I also kind of like the Seat Leon, and I wouldn't mind a Ford Focus WRC either. With a bit of creativity you could turn the Smart Roadster Coupe into a nice 4WD turbocharged fun-vehicle.

There are nice modern cars. But you have to think a while.

Vain

[TiJay]

Yup, I'm with herki's opinion here. Modern cars all look the same. One manufacture comes out with something, and all the others follow along and copy it. They all look like bubbles to me. I don't want to race around in a bubble. None of today's cars have any charactor. Just boring boring bubbles.

Agreed. Compared to cars pre-2002, modern family/small cars are big, boring and no fun.

Examples:

Fiesta Mk5 pre 03- light, sporty, fun.
Fiesta Mk6 03 onwards- ugly, slow, large

106, Clio Mk1, Saxo- light, nippy, fun
107/1007/206, Clio Mk2/3- ugly, slow, large

Wake me up when new cars sub-£20,000 or without a GTI/ST badge get fun again.

[Cue-Ball]

I also do not want to see the car models changed. I wouldn't mind seeing them detailed a bit more, but I wouldn't like the overall shape and look to be changed. If the devs are going to spend time working on car models they should add a mid-engine supercar, a V8 sedan, an off-road truck, drag car, or any one of a hundred other cars that we'd all like to see.

[JTbo]

There are good looking modern cars.
But most look horrible.

There are cars like the Mercedes A class I basically hate. But why not take a look at the Audi A3 (quattro, anyone?) or BMW E87? I also kind of like the Seat Leon, and I wouldn't mind a Ford Focus WRC either. With a bit of creativity you could turn the Smart Roadster Coupe into a nice 4WD turbocharged fun-vehicle.

There are nice modern cars. But you have to think a while.

Vain

A3 has unisex, smooth, I'm hopefully not harming anything-type looks and don't get me even started with modern BMWs, whale anyone? I need to read trunk texts from Lean and Focus to tell which is which, both are straight sides wheels at corners and small windows type, Focus WRC is like putting razor to hand of fluffy teddy bear it just won't mix.

But please, don't get offended, this is just how I see them and I do know that I have very odd favor on some things, very very odd ;)

For example new Challenger 2007 does look tastless and odorless, unisex tamed thing that has not even slightest agression on it's looks, same with Camaro, in my eyes. New Mustang is quite nice looking though and HSV Gto is something I can stand, even it is not pretty.

Tesla Roadster is perhaps one of those modern looking vehicles that does not cause this 'oh no, what on earth designers have smoked again' feeling :razz:

Really, it has to be again fault in me, but I do fail to see any family class normal modern car that would look good.

[ajp71]

and don't get me even started with modern BMWs,

Yep Bangle certainly is an acquired taste but even before that there had been dumbing down IMO, look at the E46, an attractive car but still the E36 was better looking IMO same goes for 36 and 30

and I wouldn't mind a Ford Focus WRC either.

The original looked so much better and more striking IMO.

[marzman]

Agreed. Compared to cars pre-2002, modern family/small cars are big, boring and no fun.

Examples:

Fiesta Mk5 pre 03- light, sporty, fun.
Fiesta Mk6 03 onwards- ugly, slow, large

106, Clio Mk1, Saxo- light, nippy, fun
107/1007/206, Clio Mk2/3- ugly, slow, large

Wake me up when new cars sub-£20,000 or without a GTI/ST badge get fun gain.
Why are you excluding ST cars like Fiesta ST? That way you can always be rigth. The Fiesta ST is the new fun car.

The same with the other models.

[NotAnIllusion]

Modern cars look terrible.. don't touch the XRT and the LXs! :p

[duke_toaster]

Modern cars look terrible.. don't touch the XRT and the LXs! :p

The problem with new cars is all of the bloody silly pedestrian safety things.

[TiJay]

Why are you excluding ST cars like Fiesta ST? That way you can always be rigth. The Fiesta ST is the new fun car.

Don't quite follow what you're saying but if you're agreeing with me then :thumb:

I'll just rephrase what I said for clarity: The only fun new cars are those over £20,000 or those with an ST/GTI badge. All other new cars suck.

[marzman]

Don't quite follow what you're saying but if you're agreeing with me then :thumb:

I'll just rephrase what I said for clarity: The only fun new cars are those over £20,000 or those with an ST/GTI badge. All other new cars suck.

Well, in fact i don't agree. The 1.0 Fiesta from '89 was no fun and not sporty. I don't say it sucked, but i also won't say a Alto from '06 sucks. It are both good cars for what their worth. Faster Fiesta's were fun, the faster fiesta of today is called ST so i mean you should not exclude that.

[herki]

The problem with new cars is all of the bloody silly pedestrian safety things.

Yeah, what's up with pedestrian safety? If I run over a peron, I want him dead, not slightly injured :twisted:
And if he runs on the street without looking, he should be punished for his neglegence :x

(don't take the above statement too serious)

[JTbo]

Well, in fact i don't agree. The 1.0 Fiesta from '89 was no fun and not sporty. I don't say it sucked, but i also won't say a Alto from '06 sucks. It are both good cars for what their worth. Faster Fiesta's were fun, the faster fiesta of today is called ST so i mean you should not exclude that.

1.0 Fiesta from '89 however, is much better looking car than any of these new st or stw things whatever those are :D

Also it can do 150kph and it is damn scary at that speed, you need rather large downhill and good amount of wind to get it to that speed, though :razz:

[TiJay]

The problem with new cars is all of the bloody silly pedestrian safety things.

Exactly. I'm not saying people who don't look when they cross should be punished etc etc but to be honest- if a metal object hits you at 40mph, it ain't going to make a difference whether it has a curved hood or not. Either way, you're hosed.

[herki]

Exactly. I'm not saying people who don't look when they cross should be punished etc etc but to be honest- if a metal object hits you at 40mph, it ain't going to make a difference whether it has a curved hood or not. Either way, you're hosed.

sorry to spoil your fun, but it really makes a huge difference - maybe not at 40mph, that's a bit too fast, but at normal city speeds. Today's pedestrian protection technology is really greatly advanced, so if a car was designed the right way (most european cars are) hits a person, it's way more likely that the person is just lightly injured.
I'm assuming we're talking about "normal" cars here, so no sports coupes, they usually are really bad in those tests.
I should probably mention that the bumpers are made of plastic and sometimes even have foam behind them, so you won't get hurt too much.

One drawback is still present for the head protection: the manufacturer has to focus on a child's or (XOR) an adult head, because the bonnet (currently) can't be designed to protect both well.

[Bob Smith]

I think they should just fit giant 6 foot deep transparent sponges around all cars. It wouldn't weigh much and could be made very aerodynamic without looking naff. Only downside is traffic jams would get longer. But cars could then also be made smaller and lighter as they wouldn't need inches of rubber and soft metal to deform in the crash. Just replace the bolt on sponge!

[Linsen]

I agree that pedestrian safety probably plays a large role in why modern cars look ugly to many people (although we might think differently about that in 10-20 years time). However, that's not the reason why those are no fun (if they don't have a gti or st badge). The reason for that is mainly passenger/driver safety, which just makes them so heavy that they need 200+ horsepower to be fun. The MkI Golf GTI had what? 115 hp maximum? That was plenty for it's low weight and that in turn just made it more nimble, of course, (more or less) regardless of horsepower.

But back to topic: Eric decides what the cars look like and I personally couldn't care less -- It's how it drives that counts. And I certainly wouldn't choose a car in LFS just because it looks like th 911 (G-model, the most beatiful car ever built ;)), if it drives like a tanker.

[CSU1]

I think they should just fit giant 6 foot deep transparent sponges around all cars. It wouldn't weigh much and could be made very aerodynamic without looking naff. Only downside is traffic jams would get longer. But cars could then also be made smaller and lighter as they wouldn't need inches of rubber and soft metal to deform in the crash. Just replace the bolt on sponge!

+1: Giant sponges.

[JTbo]

I agree that pedestrian safety probably plays a large role in why modern cars look ugly to many people (although we might think differently about that in 10-20 years time). However, that's not the reason why those are no fun (if they don't have a gti or st badge). The reason for that is mainly passenger/driver safety, which just makes them so heavy that they need 200+ horsepower to be fun. The MkI Golf GTI had what? 115 hp maximum? That was plenty for it's low weight and that in turn just made it more nimble, of course, (more or less) regardless of horsepower.

But back to topic: Eric decides what the cars look like and I personally couldn't care less -- It's how it drives that counts. And I certainly wouldn't choose a car in LFS just because it looks like th 911 (G-model, the most beatiful car ever built ;)), if it drives like a tanker.

You are very much right, also modern cars suspensions are so much more advanced as well as sound dampening that driver don't feel much of fun even speeds would be much faster than with older car. Also cars are balanced even more towards understeer and as cars are being fwd there is very little feeling from steering wheel, all this makes them quite not fun actually.

180bhp old subaru was much more fun and felt much more powerful than 300hp V40 T4, even surely T4 is faster, but it is just like sitting home at front of tv, link to outside world is missing.

Good thing in LFS is that unlike many games it manages to create immersion of being in car that has real connection to surrounding world.
I think that new cars are not needed until current ones get more features and perhaps some balancing. There is really lot of things cars would need.

Oh yes, +1 for giant sponges, could do then some sumo fights too, lol

[RAYfighter]

I am quite happy with LFS cars and would not have a courage to say hey Eric, you suck, design something cool already.

But to all posters who say that newer cars are always worse than old, I would take Porsche cars as an example. From the 1st Carrera the every next model is just better and better. Everytime I see the new car from them I say myself "OMG now it's already totally perfect, no they can't go anywhere higher!" and I stick with that until they come with another :D
Sometimes they make a little mistaken step like those questionable front lights, then they step back and you get old good round lights on their latest 911.
I still think that 1970 or 1985 Carreras are beautifull, but the current model is simply mind-blowing. :bowdown:

Bottom line would be to say that there are awesome cars coming from all around the planet and all the different eras, including a modern one. And those in LFS offer really a variety. I honestly don't feel like anybody of us have any recipe of the success, so I rather shutup and wait for Scavier to surprise me once again. In a good way! :x

EDIT: recently found this awesome picture of rendered XR Turbo Targa, check it out!
http://www.sg-render.ovh.org/displayimage.php?pos=-145

[JTbo]

I do prefer 1978 911 turbo over this new one :shy:

[Woz]

Here's my 'big' idea. I know these cars aren't real ones (apart from 3), but the cars in LFS right now look dull and old, very boxy too. If you look at them now and compare them to real cars you'd go back to 1990's model cars to find any real similarities, it's 2007 now, most cars these days look modern, more curves on them, much better looking! The year is 2007, I want to think I'm in 2007 when racing.

I'm not asking for new cars, I'm just asking to modernise the look of existing cars, give them a 199x-2007 upgrade. :tilt:

I think it's only these cars that need doing aswell, single seaters.. well, I know nothing about anyway, but they still look the same as they did 10 years ago :P
UF1(R)
XFG(R)
XRG(T/R)
RB4
FXO(R)

errrr, you want the UF1 and UFR modernised. They are based on the Mini, a car that is over 40 years old now. The only changes required to the UF series is make the nose more Mini like but that is a licence issue.

Old cars are far more fun. New cars mostly look the same and are mostly boring because the Safety Nazis have had their say.

[mrodgers]

I should probably mention that the bumpers are made of plastic and sometimes even have foam behind them, so you won't get hurt too much.
FWIW, for nearly 80% of the cars manufactured for the US with this foam behind the plastic facia is made at my work. I can tell you that foam is produced to minimize the dollar cost of damage done to a vehicle in a 3 mph impact into a solid object. It definitely won't help you if you are personally hit by a car.

The foam front and rear energy absorbers in autos can be extremely hard. If I took a really good swing at your head with one, there would definitely be some heavy damage to you.

www.jsp.com (http://www.jsp.com), where I work, making molded EPP foam energy absorbers for cars (and much more).

[Rooble]

Im happy with the current look of the cars but i still wouldnt mind them having some form of face lift.

I think what would really give the game a new lease of life with minimal work and effort would be a nice fresh set of wheels for all the cars. Most of the current sets of wheels look awful, straight out of a lego box imo :)

[Eldanor]

The RB4 and UFR models were supposed to be updated, but they are still the same after a year and a half :shrug:.

I'm not moaning ok? But come on, it's only a low poly car model, I've seen people on this forums creating stunning high poly car models in a week!!!

[JTbo]

The RB4 and UFR models were supposed to be updated, but they are still the same after a year and a half :shrug:.

I'm not moaning ok? But come on, it's only a low poly car model, I've seen people on this forums creating stunning high poly car models in a week!!!

Imagine that you are cliff climbing, then you slip (http://www.bythom.com/Images/CG-29-Galen-Climbing.jpg) and luckily managed to grab hold from rock just before falling down, now your cell phone rings, what do you do, answer to phone while hanging with your one arm or do you try to get hold from rocky surface with your other arm?

It is bit similar with LFS, there is priorities for various of tasks and there has been more important tasks going on than updating model. This is at least how I do believe things are, can be wrong of course :shrug:

[Dajmin]

There's a bit of a difference between creating renders or 3D models and having a new functioning car model in the game.
The raw model or render itself is static, whereas the in game model must be set up with areas that move when damaged as well.

Personally I really like most of the models as they are. Some of them I'm not so fond of, but that's just like real life.

My guess is that we'll see some updated models when they add in aerodynamic damaging.

[andybarsblade]

modern cars are soooo predictable about the designs audi, ford, peugeot ect they must have the slackist design people ever

im not so keen on most of the new supercars, dont get me wrong some are nice like the zonda but the new lambo's from audi :zzz: and 911's zzzzzz also the swedish konigsegg? (how ever its spelt) ok its fast but its dull o look at, new astons look nice but soooo predictable, give me an F40, shelby cobra, lambo countach a ferrari daytona and a 512tr anyday :thumb:

Edited to add : the porsche carrera gt is a big exception that looks the nuts (and sounds amazing)

[Linsen]

The RB4 and UFR models were supposed to be updated, but they are still the same after a year and a half :shrug:.

I'm not moaning ok? But come on, it's only a low poly car model, I've seen people on this forums creating stunning high poly car models in a week!!!
I'm just guessing her, but the updates of the UFR (which I personally like the way it is) and the RB4 will probably come with the new interiors. It will have to be an incompatible patch, though.

[herki]

FWIW, for nearly 80% of the cars manufactured for the US with this foam behind the plastic facia is made at my work. I can tell you that foam is produced to minimize the dollar cost of damage done to a vehicle in a 3 mph impact into a solid object. It definitely won't help you if you are personally hit by a car.

The foam front and rear energy absorbers in autos can be extremely hard. If I took a really good swing at your head with one, there would definitely be some heavy damage to you.

www.jsp.com (http://www.jsp.com), where I work, making molded EPP foam energy absorbers for cars (and much more).

You may be right about the foams (don't know too much about it, didn't care enough :p ), but you can't deny the general form and chosen materials have a huge impact on the severity of injuries. I know about it, because I work at a car safety testing company ( www.acts.de ) :)

[Cue-Ball]

You may be right about the foams (don't know too much about it, didn't care enough :p ), but you can't deny the general form and chosen materials have a huge impact on the severity of injuries. I know about it, because I work at a car safety testing company ( www.acts.de (http://www.acts.de) ) :)Keep in mind that you are in Germany and mrodgers is in the US. I have a feeling that the two countries use quite different methods and have different requirements for pedestrian safety. I don't believe that the US has pedestrian safety requirements that are anywhere near as strict as Europe, so that could account for differences in your perceptions.

[herki]

Keep in mind that you are in Germany and mrodgers is in the US. I have a feeling that the two countries use quite different methods and have different requirements for pedestrian safety. I don't believe that the US has pedestrian safety requirements that are anywhere near as strict as Europe, so that could account for differences in your perceptions.

we test them for all laws, because our customers want them ... that's the only way I gained knowlegde of those foams, because if we crash a car with north american regulations, there has to be the foam and knee airbags, while european market cars are rarely fit with them.
I have to say, the bumpers and sometimes bumper mounting points are different for north america and europe, so don't buy european parts for an american car ;)
btw: japan is very equal to european standards

[mrodgers]

Yup, we don't have anything like "pedestrian safety", or at least I've never heard of it. I make automotive bumpers, so I would imagine I would have heard of it if we had it, LOL. Actually, I never made the bumpers, I worked in the quality department, so if your bumper falls off.... er, it was the other guy, LOL.

I guess we just don't care about the pedestrians over here, LOL. If a pedestrian is stupid enough to get in front of a 3000 pound object on wheels that is self propelled up to high velocities, well, then I guess that's his problem. Shouldn't have gotten in the way!

Yes, the only thing the foam bumpers are for over here is that they must pass a minimum damage cost at 3 mph. Hmm, I know what the cost is to make those things, I think the auto companies need to step it up. $300-400 for the bumper if you have to replace it. What does it cost to make? Well, we sell them to the manufacturers for around $12. Just a bit of a markup there, don't you think?

[tristancliffe]

Pedestrians don't need cars to be made safer in the States - the drivers know half the population carry guns, so they just get shot at for even thinking about hitting someone :razz:

[herki]

Yup, we don't have anything like "pedestrian safety", or at least I've never heard of it. I make automotive bumpers, so I would imagine I would have heard of it if we had it, LOL. Actually, I never made the bumpers, I worked in the quality department, so if your bumper falls off.... er, it was the other guy, LOL.

I guess we just don't care about the pedestrians over here, LOL. If a pedestrian is stupid enough to get in front of a 3000 pound object on wheels that is self propelled up to high velocities, well, then I guess that's his problem. Shouldn't have gotten in the way!

Yes, the only thing the foam bumpers are for over here is that they must pass a minimum damage cost at 3 mph. Hmm, I know what the cost is to make those things, I think the auto companies need to step it up. $300-400 for the bumper if you have to replace it. What does it cost to make? Well, we sell them to the manufacturers for around $12. Just a bit of a markup there, don't you think?

Too bad you still have some kind of pedestrian safety because the manufacturers want their cars to look the same all over the globe :p

[sinbad]

I think we should post-modernise the look of the cars.

[RAYfighter]

I think we should post-modernise the look of the cars.

LOL great one!

[Linsen]

:thumb:

[S14 DRIFT]

I think we should post-modernise the look of the cars.

kehekehkeh lol nice !:nod:

[jayhawk]

I think we should post-modernise the look of the cars.

Nice one, Andy... :razz:

[Primoz]

The golden era for fast and exciting cars was 1990 to 2000. Most good cars were made in this time, now we are strangeled by emmisions. If you look, the RX-7, Skylines from R32 to R34, Supra, NSX and the likes were made back then. Now what do we have?

[mrodgers]

....Now what do we have?
More computerization letting any moron on the road and cars practically driving themselves. The only thing you need to know how to do is turn the steering wheel anymore, which is all most know how to do anyways.

[MAGGOT]

More computerization letting any moron on the road and cars practically driving themselves. The only thing you need to know how to do is turn the steering wheel anymore, which is all most know how to do anyways.

And yet people still crash all the time.

[Vain]

@Electronics: In a modern car you don't tell the car anymore which way to want the front wheels to be pointing, you tell the car which direction you want to drive.
Which is also why people are crashing. They think that you use the steering wheel to make a car go around a corner. Or that the brakes are there to make the car go slower.

Vain

[sinbad]

They think that you use the steering wheel to make a car go around a corner. Or that the brakes are there to make the car go slower.


Ahhh that's where I'm going wrong all the time! I keep turning the wheel when I want to go around a corner! And instead of doing the obvious correct action, I foolishly use the brakes when I want to slow down! :)

But seriously folks: There are still cars out there with no more sophisticated driver assistance than we had in the 80s and 90s. Sure power-steering is the norm, but a lot of race cars have that too. ABS? I don't care if you're MSC himself, if you're coming towards me too fast to stop on a wet road, I'd rather you had ABS than not. Cars which are made for real driving tend to have well enough set up ABS that is doesn't cut in all the time too (with exceptions of course).
All cars that made for real driving also give you the option to turn off and TCS and ESP systems too.

I'm yet to see a car which does everything for you and if you want a road car which is involving to drive, you don't exactly have a small choice. In fact the sports and performance sector is probably as strong as it has ever been.