Why I Don't Play LFS Anymore

[MWFV6]

I started playing LFS a long time ago, up till just before S2 came out I would play it almost every day. I didn't really have friends to play online with much so I played by myself. I used it as practice on how to handle a rwd car.

As time went on the corrections to oversteer became controlled drifts. I enjoyed being able to control powerslides, people would talk about drifting on the forums it was fun. I didn't need another computer game.

Tweek came out and a lot of people complained. But I love it, I was fascinated by learning how the power effected the cars nature on the track. I had even more reason to play.

But since S2 came out I have played the game only a handfull of times and I pretty much know why. Firstly the tyre heat model was a welcome addition but it's pretty much ruined the game for me, this move by the developer pretty much made me aware I wasn't wanted as a customer to them. Touring the posts on here it quickly becomes apparent that as a member into drifting I'm not welcome here.

I think it's a real shame, we all play games for different reasons and I'd never question why someone would want to do it in their own way. I appreciate that the developers are in the persuit of simulation but still feel let down by them.

The point of this post is to out my views. I may get flamed for what I have said but that I can handle. I just think things like this are important to voice my feelings since people are trying to earn a living writing games like this.

LFS has brought some great pleasure into my life, ironically most of it was when the game was a free demo. At the moment I can't see any reason to buy S3 and fear there maybe many who feel the same.

[hrtburnout]

I still feel welcome here, even though i like drifting too. Cheer up mate! LFSTweak will come. Why do you feel like you're not a customer here?

[Cue-Ball]

Just because you like to drift you feel unwelcome? Doesn't make much sense to me. You'll be unwelcome on race (grip) servers, but that's it. There are PLENTY of drift-only servers out there and a lot of guys who like to drift for the pure fun of it. Personally, I love it when I pull off a great high-speed drift, but I don't like it when someone is slowly drifting around the track blocking the way for people who are trying to race. As far as the tire heat goes, this is something that was needed to help make the game more realistic as a racing simulator. If you're burning off the tires in the game then you'd be doing the same in real life driving that way. Don't use the soft tires and it will help, but real drifters often go through multiple sets of rear tires in just a single practice session or competition. It's that way in real life and it's that way in LFS.

I'm sorry to hear that you feel unwelcome, but perhaps you just haven't made the effort to find the right group of "racers" to play with/against?

[Drain]

I understand your problem, but don’t see what the developers are trying to do as 'shunning' you out because they are trying to bring you the best driving simulator out there (doing well I might ad ;)) Also I haven’t found a more friendlier community then the LFS community, and this is one of the many reasons why I love this game so much. I feel very comfortable in this community (despite my lack of posting!)

I myself enjoy both styles of driving (grip and drift) and feel that though they are different they still require a lot of skill. Though you will get some people who will disagree (mostly in regards to drifting) but you are always going to get that. People are entitled to their opinion. Be proud of what you do and stick to it. Drifting is a new racing sport, and weather or not people like it, it is growing very fast so someone likes it ;)

As I see it, if it involves 4 wheels I will always be interested in it, be it drag racing, hill climbs, racing, drifting or just cruising. Something that we all have in common here, is that we all love cars (some of us bikes too).

So don’t get the wrong idea of what the dev’s are trying to do, because it is very hard trying to please everyone, and at the end of the day this game is NOT FINAL. So if they succeed in there goal of making a REALISTIC racing simulator (which im sure they will) you should not have a problem because if you can drift a REAL car with REAL tires, hell you should be able to do it in LFS one day, because that’s what the game is setting out to do. Keep hope and be patient. Playing LFS2 is keeping me very sane between patches/updates.

Also on a drifting note which might help you (unless you got board and stopped reading) is try drifting with the stock standard XR (non turbo). I have found in trying pretty much all cars, this one gave me the best (and funnest) results for drifting. Experiment with different tires and a relatively hard setup, maybe a few tweaks in the gears, and give it a go. I found this one the easiest to control during a drift and yielded a good performance for tire wear. I have made a drift track with the editor which I have a lot of fun with (also try the figure eight setup (found in autocross layouts), that one is great for drifting).

So I hope some (if any) of my friendly words have helped you.

Until next time, keep driving!
:)

[KiDCoDEa]

I started playing LFS a long time ago, up till just before S2 came out I would play it almost every day. I didn't really have friends to play online with much so I played by myself. I used it as practice on how to handle a rwd car.

As time went on the corrections to oversteer became controlled drifts. I enjoyed being able to control powerslides, people would talk about drifting on the forums it was fun. I didn't need another computer game.

Tweek came out and a lot of people complained. But I love it, I was fascinated by learning how the power effected the cars nature on the track. I had even more reason to play.

But since S2 came out I have played the game only a handfull of times and I pretty much know why. Firstly the tyre heat model was a welcome addition but it's pretty much ruined the game for me, this move by the developer pretty much made me aware I wasn't wanted as a customer to them. Touring the posts on here it quickly becomes apparent that as a member into drifting I'm not welcome here.

I think it's a real shame, we all play games for different reasons and I'd never question why someone would want to do it in their own way. I appreciate that the developers are in the persuit of simulation but still feel let down by them.

The point of this post is to out my views. I may get flamed for what I have said but that I can handle. I just think things like this are important to voice my feelings since people are trying to earn a living writing games like this.

LFS has brought some great pleasure into my life, ironically most of it was when the game was a free demo. At the moment I can't see any reason to buy S3 and fear there maybe many who feel the same.

you could sum up your post to a small post in the improvements section:

"Please add drift oriented compounds/tyres to lfs, its really important for me, thanks in advance"

[Drain]

Originally Posted by MWFV6

The point of this post is to out my views.

...so he wanted to out his views about this situation, and obviously wanted to talk about it otherwise he wouldn't post this topic, and its a good thing to because this is a good community and also if you cant out your views whats the point of having a forum :)

[Gabkicks]

in real life drifting comptetitons the tires dont last very long either they didnt use "special drift tires" last time i checked. as thenameistaken said, most people who drift just go into pits after their tires are worn out. with normals you should be able to get 2 good drift laps in at least on blackwood with the xrt.

[Billeh]

used to be able to drift all day in s1 :) but not really got any further than the fox on SOclassic so far lolo

[Bob Smith]

Well with the static cars that were present in v0.3 of course if you can do it once you can do it all day. OK so it's annoying to have to pit so frequently for tyres, but hardly justification to stop playing the game entirely.

[BargeArse]

Yep and i doubt ANY developers would taylor any sim, game, whatever, to suit the desires of one customer. I can find fault with S2 if I wanted to. Stamp my foot and say they don't care what i as a customer want. Or i can find 97% satisfaction and get on with it. It's a pity you would leave the game so easily. The drift community in LFS is pretty huge isn't it?

[Tr8cer]

I know how you feel...

Instead of playing this game, i started taking my own car to a nearby parking lot and drifting there...

That way i dont have to worry about tire temps and wear, plus its MUCH cheaper.

[Rotary]

Odd, drifters at the LFS RSC forum had it as tough there, if not more so, than here.

Tr8cer: What real world do you live in? I only ask as I want to be a part of it because my tyres have worn and it just cost me $800.00 to replace them. In your world they are MUCH cheaper, but in LFS I get tyres replaced for free... Amazing, how do you get tyres cheaper than free in the real world? :D

[Gunn]

I know how you feel...

Instead of playing this game, i started taking my own car to a nearby parking lot and drifting there...

That way i dont have to worry about tire temps and wear, plus its MUCH cheaper.
Wearing your real tyres out and risking a fine for dangerous driving is cheaper than playing LFS? If you think drifting IRL does not wear or heat up tyres then you are in for a rude shock indeed. Then when your clutch burns out and your diff destroys itself, or you snap a drive shaft you may wonder why you took a street car drifting at all. Professional drifting uses soft tyres and heavily modified vehicles to perform like they do without breaking. It is a very expensive sport/hobby and is rather unkind to the mechanical systems and components. It may look exciting at the D1 but if you plan on drifting your usual ride you can look forward to replacing just about anything that moves and a great deal of what doesn't. It may look glamorous and exciting but the public car park is not the right place and a street car is not the right tool. I'd rather see you guys drifting in LFS than in my local neighbourhood, thanks very much.

[5th Earth]

Wearing your real tyres out and risking a fine for dangerous driving is cheaper than playing LFS? If you think drifting IRL does not wear or heat up tyres then you are in for a rude shock indeed. Then when your clutch burns out and your diff destroys itself, or you snap a drive shaft you may wonder why you took a street car drifting at all. Professional drifting uses soft tyres and heavily modified vehicles to perform like they do without breaking. It is a very expensive sport/hobby and is rather unkind to the mechanical systems and components. It may look exciting at the D1 but if you plan on drifting your usual ride you can look forward to replacing just about anything that moves and a great deal of what doesn't. It may look glamorous and exciting but the public car park is not the right place and a street car is not the right tool. I'd rather see you guys drifting in LFS than in my local neighbourhood, thanks very much.

You missed the "wink" icon at the top of hir post. I pretty sure s/he's kidding.

[StanleyCarter]

well, don't we all love LFS for it's realism? racers or drifters, they're all aiming for the same thing, doing the things they like or desire in the most realistic manner.

The tyre wear gets a bit of time to get use to, but it provides you with greater challenges, now in S2, instead of trying so hard to drift the whole track, most of us are spending more effort in keeping the car on the track while getting it sideways through corners without spinning out. The people that still drift right now are only getting better and better, most of them are doing great, and they're still enjoying the game a lot, just like me.

IMO, the addition of the Tyre Wear = more realistic gameplay = more fun = happy me :)

[MWFV6]

Tanks for your understanding replies guys.

I like the tyre wear modeling in LFS, I like the tyre heat modeling too, it makes for more serious racing and less messing around.

I just feel that a lot of people took to LFS for drifting, and I appreciate that LFS was never originally made with that in mind. Like KiDCoDEa mentioned the problem would be sorted with being able to choose more suitable tyres. When S2 came out a lot of people pointed this out and it seemed attitude was "Who cares you shouldn't be drifting in this game anyway" and in some ways I can understand that.

What I liked about LFS was I could boot it up and let rip on my own on an empty track, drifting my little heart out until I got bored. Now I can barely do over a lap without needing to reset because the tyres have got so hot its like they are on the rim. That's how I played the game and I would -never- expect the developers to tailor it to me. But I do wonder how many others feel in the same boat.

Anyway, here's a random video of me drifting LOL :)

MWF_Koyoto (http://www.chriswalley.com/files/LFS_FZ_Koyoto_MWF.wmv)

[Gunn]

*LMAO* ... did anyone belive that Tr8cer was serious? Please c'mon, never heard of irony? Sorry for this but don't take it personal ;)Get a dictionary and look up "irony". ;)

[Fonnybone]

Hehe, i think he's looking for 'sarcasm' , but then again, english isn't
my native tongue. I'm just stumped from the fact that KidCodea has
resisted such an inflammable (spelling...) post, and has perhaps posted
the most appropriate reply...

[Bob Smith]

The word "irony" is in the dictionary, same as "ironic" and "sarcasm" ;)
But did you read the descriptions for the words? They've quite different meanings. :)

[Gabkicks]

that just went right over his head:smileypul

[ajp71]

LFS is a simulator, I think tire wear should be there.

As for drifters being unwelcome it's probably more due to the fact they attract the wrong crowd, people who buy LFS just to wreck and call themselves drifters, not saying this is most drifters at all but the divide between racing and drifting is just as big, talk to most people at race meetings and they'll have no interest in drifters. Not so much the art of a four wheel drift as the people that seem to get associated with it.

[joshdifabio]

In America they would say it is ironic, in england (and probably Australia) they would say it is sarcastic. So in summary, go here (http://s13.invisionfree.com/speedo/index.php?showforum=89).

[Gunn]

Lol, no irony here at all.

[Takumi_Project.d]

The tyre wear gets a bit of time to get use to, but it provides you with greater challenges, now in S2, instead of trying so hard to drift the whole track, most of us are spending more effort in keeping the car on the track while getting it sideways through corners without spinning out. The people that still drift right now are only getting better and better, most of them are doing great, and they're still enjoying the game a lot, just like me.

IMO, the addition of the Tyre Wear = more realistic gameplay = more fun = happy me :)

very well said mate.

in the end LFS is becoming more and more realistic.. if certain drifters want to drift all day on the same non wearing tyres with 45degrees of steering lock the old S1 version can be loaded up. is this fun? i would say it used to be. but is this realistic? no it is not. i dont believe for a minute the developers are trying to make life difficult for drifters at all - they simply want to make virtual cars act like real cars, virtual tyres heating up and wearing like real ones.

it's upto us to adapt to their new innovations or be left behind. there are plenty of drift servers in S2 and plenty of wicked looking drift videos that people are making. these people have taken the new physics and adapted to them/learnt them

"adapt or die" springs to mind. good drifters adapted to s2, exactly the same as good racers had to adapt.

after all, racers can't use their S1 race style in S2. we're all in the same boat, just one style punishes the tyres alot more :thumb:

[MWFV6]

I don't think I am communicating my point across well.

I understand about tyre heat and wear, I appreciate this is something that -has- to be included for LFS to make it more realistic.

I do not want these removed.

I have adapted to drifting in S2.

I'd have just liked to see drifting tyres as an option, which kind proves KiDCoDEa's point as being right I guess - I should have just posted that in the improvements section.

At least we all got to learn a little about irony.

[HeerBommel]

Hi MWFV6,

I like your post. May I suggest that you try to say that you love the game and that a few alterations spoiled what you loved most? Nothing wrong with drifting, but if you like this, I think you need the 4wd cars. But you have to control this! Make a setup you like. The FXO GTR is a crazy car to drive. Must be your favorite :)

Greeets, HB

[Gabkicks]

post a link for me showing some special drift tires in real life please :)

[Bob Smith]

http://www.modelflight.com.au/hpi_racing/hpi_stage_d_drift_kit.htm

"Special drift tires are included, molded from hard compound rubber that has been developed purely for drifting. The HPI Japan drift team did extensive testing to find a hard compound that allows high revving nitro drifting on paved surfaces, with extreme durability for hours and hours of drift action."


OK so it's not a full size car, but still.... :D

Proper cars just seem to use the hardest compound tyre available, rather than tyres developed just for drifting. Though you could argue the tyres that give off red smoke are drift specific, if maybe not in compound: http://www.driftworks.com/index.php?Action=Articles&ID=30&Name=Khumo%20Red%20Drift%20Tyres

[Lionclaw23]

I cannot understand why so many drifters are complaining about tyrewear/heat. Most of 'em even say call the tyres 'worn out' if they are just red (90-100°C). Worn out is for me that the car is no longer 'driftable'. But in my opinion that is basicly wrong. As long as those tyres aren't popped (ie either gotten over 200°C or have no rubber left) they plenty enough grip left to still perform some nice drifts. Yes, it's hard to controll it. Yes, with newer tyres you can perform 'em at higher speed/angles. But NO, it's not impossible to drift with hot tyres. And it takes most times 10 laps for the tyres til they are popped. As I said, I just can't understand those people that don't even seem to try to addept their driving (drifting) to the 'new' factors of S2.

Cobalt Blue
of the Nsane Drifting Team

[colcob]

some very close twin drift in the baking heat for about 10 minutes, this equates to two dead red tyres

Enough said really. Tyres designed for drifting are dead after 10 minutes of pratting about.

[Gabkicks]

i dont know about 2005 season but most of the cars i've seen use'd potenza RE01R class tires or something similar. I can count on my hand the ammount of drifters complaining about tire wear...

[Gizz]

i dont belive this post has gone to 2 pages :juggle:

[MWFV6]

As long as those tyres aren't popped (ie either gotten over 200°C or have no rubber left) they plenty enough grip left to still perform some nice drifts. Yes, it's hard to controll it. Yes, with newer tyres you can perform 'em at higher speed/angles. But NO, it's not impossible to drift with hot tyres.

Have you got any replay vids of people drifting with tyre temps like you describe? OR vids of people pulling long hard drifts for over one lap? I can drift with the tyres in this state but find the drifts are quite poor looking since you can't apply much power and angle. I'd be very interested to see what you guys are achieving.

I find that even within 1 lap of hard drifting I am seeing tyres temps over 100 and my problem at this point is I can either take it very easy and wait for the temps to slowly come down, get the tyres changed in the pits, restart the session or carry on until the car is near impossible to enter a bend with anymore.

I'd rather a set of tyres which wore out in 5 laps but didn't over heat as easily, do you guys know what I mean?

HeerBommel I did look at the 4wd cars thanks! :) I did set them up to get some reasonable drifting too, very exciting on the exits LOL!

[RAYfighter]

I would be one for all the "this game wasn't designed for drifting" kind of people. But from the amount of drifting teams and servers running in S2 any given time, I have put some effort into trying to understand these guys. If there is something which attracts so many people (in a real life as well) it cannot be all wrong only, I said myself. So I have joined few such drifters servers and tried to drift too. Well, I found out that I cannot compare to these guys. I couldn't even do the 360 spin, no matter how hard I've tried. Specced a guy who seemed to be able to do it anytime he wants, which didn't help too much to me. :D

So I can say I found a respect to them. But where the "racers" have their tournaments and competitions, following the real life races counterpart, should not drifters have some competitions too? I have briefly browsed thru the D1 pages on the internet and I guess that there are pretty clear rules for such kind of happenings. (they drift in pairs, and a jury decides how "cool" clean long etc the drift was, and gives points... no problem with tyre wear really, since as I understand it they only drive few turns at once).


PS: I really like the decent way of how you offered your oppinions MWFV6, respecting the opposite oppinions as well. Only moron would flame you for your very mature and inteligent posts.

[Gunn]

Several LFS D1 style competitions have been held every year since the beginning of LFS. ;)

[speedemon57]

I saw this thread and didn't want to create a new one for this so I will do it here.

I DON'T Play LFS Anymore.

Reason: I had to uninstall it because my computer was too heavy.

[Mp3 Astra]

I saw this thread and didn't want to create a new one for this so I will do it here.

I DON'T Play LFS Anymore.

Reason: I had to uninstall it because my computer was too heavy.

You bumped a 3 year old thread to say that? I'm stunned. Have you considered putting your PC on a diet and taking it for regular excersise?

[hrtburnout]

Oh my.

Now where did I store my flaming bananas again...

[J@tko]

Oh dear...

Thats bump of the year award :tilt:

At least he searched :D

[Gnomie]

Oh dear...

Thats bump of the year award :tilt:

At least he searched :D

I'm amazed at how good the demoers are at digging up old threads.. well, props for using the search button before making a new topic, but still.. this one was hilariuos! :thumb:

[th84]

I dont play LFS anymore because I cant afford it. I smoke more when I play, I damage important components when I play...not to mention the fact that servers are empty when I do have the time to play (primetime 8-11 US eastern)

Im also the only American [noob], the rest of my shitty team are having wet dreams when I can play, it's not much fun without them.... :(

Ok, I feel better now. Anyone got a cigarette?


EDIT: I do still enjoy trolling these forums and making spamalicious comments.. :D

[Mp3 Astra]

I dont play LFS anymore because I cant afford it. I smoke more when I play, I damage important components when I play...not to mention the fact that servers are empty when I do have the time to play (primetime 8-11 US eastern)

Im also the only American [noob], the rest of my shitty team are having wet dreams when I can play, it's not much fun without them.... :(

Ok, I feel better now. Anyone got a cigarette?


EDIT: I do still enjoy trolling these forums and making spamalicious comments.. :D

Your European team-mates should stay up. During the summer, I stayed up until insane hours in order to race with my team-mates. Although, it has to be said I didn't have school or a job at that time. Today it's slightly different.

[th84]

Your European team-mates should stay up. During the summer, I stayed up until insane hours in order to race with my team-mates. Although, it has to be said I didn't have school or a job at that time. Today it's slightly different.


That's not fair to them. I am the only one (other than one other even more inactive American) that they would have to do that for. It would be more fair to me to wake up super early to be able to race with them. Im the only American, and there are 15 or so Euro's.


I also failed to mention, the whole damn team is uber-inactive right now, so none of that matters anyway.

[TiJay]

Give it another chance, mate. I hadn't played LFS for months until I picked it up again a few days ago. Yes, I've spent a lot of time on Autocross/Drift servers since I got back but it's fun. :thumb:

[Kalev EST]

Errr, [noobs] has 3 Americans. 4 if you count Rod because Brazil is technically America. :razz:

And I did a few races this weekend, so I´m not inactive!!! :nod:
(It was like the third time in a year and a half though...)

[george_tsiros]

i fart:haha: in the general direction of whoever thinks this thread has a point larger than a τ neutrino.:bananadea

[th84]

We do not have 3. Me and The ole man are the only ones......noob.


Crap, I forgot about spick. But he is from Washington and never plays, so he dont count either. :razz:

[Kalev EST]

I forgot about Spick too. I meant Kahjojekjejjkjekjok.

[thisnameistaken]

Errr, [noobs] has 3 Americans. 4 if you count Rod because Brazil is technically America. :razz:

I've never seen Rod managed to keep his Fisher Price computer connected to the internet for long enough to finish the first lap.

[th84]

I forgot about Spick too. I meant Kahjojekjejjkjekjok.

Oh yea, another uber-inactive Polish/American. Me and Kojak used to race all the time together...until he hit puberty. :schwitz:
Ok, so there are 4 inactive Americans to go along with the 15 inactice Euro's.


I've never seen Rod managed to keep his Fisher Price computer connected to the internet for long enough to finish the first lap.


LMAO! Sad, but true. :nod:

[Monk Fish]

Give it another chance, mate. I hadn't played LFS for months until I picked it up again a few days ago. Yes, I've spent a lot of time on Autocross/Drift servers since I got back but it's fun. :thumb:

Same here, I've literally been away for years, but out of nowhere I'm totally hooked again :shrug:

[Uximura]

Playing lfs nowadays is like having sex with dead people.

[spiderbait90]

Playing lfs nowadays is like having sex with dead people.

I hope you arent being serious. I dont see how genitals come (no pun intended) into this discussion.

Playing LFS is nowhere near necrophilia.

[Chrisuu01]

Dont go dude i mean im racer and sometimes i drift to im slow on some tracks but that does not stop me from playing and trying til i get the hang of it.

And the tyre wear and heat isnt that bad i can drift fairly wel with it when im on shikane drifters
wich is rare becaus i love racing more in my personal opinion.

But i dont hope u think real tyres used for drift last that long within2 runs those tyres are ruined

[thisnameistaken]

Playing LFS is nowhere near necrophilia.

It's good to have someone on board who can confidently declare that for us. :thumb:

[Gabkicks]

I don't play because i dont have time, and i have iRacing. I'm waiting for some new cars, a new track or something new to come out for LFS, probably the same as a few other people. I think my s2 license is the best $4x I've ever spent...

[SabersKunk]

Dont go dude i mean im racer and sometimes i drift to im slow on some tracks but that does not stop me from playing and trying til i get the hang of it.

And the tyre wear and heat isnt that bad i can drift fairly wel with it when im on shikane drifters
wich is rare becaus i love racing more in my personal opinion.

But i dont hope u think real tyres used for drift last that long within2 runs those tyres are ruined

You might want to PM that to 3 years ago when he might have cared ;)

[jonny dank]

random thread....but lfs definitely needs some "new" in it, although that's why we get new patches and the forum? the part that keeps me here is almost unlimited customizations, the only thing you can't change are physics(close enough for me) and shapes(i wish), i even have topless girls burning out on a wall in fern bay, what more can you ask for:thumb:

[Senninha25]

Thanks for the new sig, Mp3_Astra.

speedemon: Devias ter criado um tópico a dizer isso mesmo em vez de reactivares um tópico de 3 anos!

For who doesn't understand Portuguese: You should've chosen to make a new thread instead of bumping a 3-year-old one!

/facepalm

I'm also stunned that nobody closed this one yet:tilt: