Why?? [no updates since P2] [Archive]

Madman_CZ

18th September 2005, 20:43

the devs deserve a break... they worked hard on lfs s2 so they need time off to spend some time away from the game and more with their families....

think people are gettin too impatient.... first people couldnt wait untill s2 was out now already people are moaning about further updates... GIVE THE GUYS A BREAK ....... i am sure full s2 is heading our way soon

mad

Galthar

18th September 2005, 20:44

Well they usually release something month in month thats surprises me.

Oh, and you would get a HUGE update if you upgrated to S2 :P

and don't speculate m8 ;)

Tooby

18th September 2005, 20:52

Why dev crew dosen't release anythin new since Aug. 7th? No change of sounds (start engine) or other minor updates...

Why don't you buy so that the devs can get paid for what they do?

/Tooby

--==Gogo==--

18th September 2005, 20:58

Good Point Tooby! Very good point!

the_angry_angel

18th September 2005, 20:58

Well they usually release something month in monthErr...since when? Sorry but I've never known the dev's release anything every month for a long long time

dUmAsS

18th September 2005, 21:14

your first 2 posts complaining about no updates? *insert rude words here*

Vain

18th September 2005, 21:19

Don't judge people by the forum-title. I own the S2 license and still have that "Demo racer"-title.

Vain

Mazstermind

18th September 2005, 21:30

Im new here and haven't had time to get boared. After getting into the forums and reading tons of post and information i learned of the developers and how the game came about. I decided to purchase the game partly beacuse its has amazing car physics and because the developers deserved to be paid for what they did.
Im glad the demo exist but i sometimes think if they would have made it to where it ended the full version sales might increase. I to stand on the side of giving them a well deserved break. I would rather get a big update than say one vechicle...............................just a newbie thoughts..............Maz!

DodgeRacer

18th September 2005, 21:35

Well they usually release something month in month thats surprises me.

and don't speculate m8 ;)
What am i speculating, i meant if he went from demo to S2, it would be a huge update to him...Sarcasm... haha

xapexcivicx

19th September 2005, 03:12

We did get the home improvement report. I enjoyed that thouroughly

Infiniti

19th September 2005, 03:17

Ya the home improvment shows that the devs have a life get over it, let them do what they do best when they are able, I also enjoyed that update! :tilt: But yes they certainly need a break and tending to their own lives before they should strain their eyes for our enjoyment. Happy racing!

Blackout

19th September 2005, 06:08

Don't judge people by the forum-title. I own the S2 license and still have that "Demo racer"-title.

Vain

no you dont

Tweaker

19th September 2005, 06:15

Think of the situation like this:

If you spent nearly a year on building a home, and finally finished it as a 'stable' house that others can live with, wouldn't you want to take a break from all the hard work? Like spend the other half of your life on.... life??? :)

Which is why updates aren't coming out as often as they normally do. Haven't you seen the update of Scawen fixing up his kitchen and working around the house? :p

afastest

19th September 2005, 10:08

I wouldn't ask for anything untill christmas. Yeah, that's three month.

al heeley

19th September 2005, 11:48

I wouldn't give you anything at christmas either, cos you didn't ask very nicely ;)

...except maybe a smacked botty...

frokki

19th September 2005, 11:57

Respect the traditions!
http://www.liveforspeed.net/page_images/screenshots/lfsflyer.jpg

szyszek

19th September 2005, 15:11

I wouldn't ask for anything untill christmas. Yeah, that's three month.

that makes two of us :thumb:

nuggetz

19th September 2005, 15:25

Don

19th September 2005, 15:33

I appreciate the fact that the devs need some time off after S2 but it's not like they gave us S2 for free. We all bought it and expect updates once in a while. And count me among those who feel that waiting 3 months in between updates is too long. I mean there are so many little things to add and improve that would keep us interested. Especially with all the rF hype and lots of people playing that now. I think any type of update or improvement would be very welcome.
says someone with demo? how can you even demand update since you ROB the devs?

al heeley

19th September 2005, 15:38

says someone with demo? how can you even demand update since you ROB the devs?
I think you'll find the demo was made available free of charge from Scawen inc., so technically it can't be robbing, can it? ;)
Mind you, 'without a leg to stand on' is what comes to mind with the argument that someone demands updates when they haven't even purchased a licence.

LawVS

19th September 2005, 15:42

I'm perfectly cool with what we've got now. Anyway, why can't we just wait for Christmas and have a big update then as our pressie? :D Oh then again, I don't want the devs to be busy during the Yuletide days. :S

thd

19th September 2005, 15:46

I appreciate the fact that the devs need some time off after S2 but it's not like they gave us S2 for free. We all bought it and expect updates once in a while. And count me among those who feel that waiting 3 months in between updates is too long. I mean there are so many little things to add and improve that would keep us interested. Especially with all the rF hype and lots of people playing that now. I think any type of update or improvement would be very welcome.

If you bought it, why is your status demo racer?

Regardless of you owning it: I don't think you comprehend the workload that the devs have put in. 15 hour work days for 2 years, how does that sound to you?

Akuma66

19th September 2005, 16:00

We got S2, and it is great :) to be honest the devs deserve all the rest-up they want. They have already earned my £24 upteen times over.

Racer Y

19th September 2005, 16:05

I dunno, the guy has a point..... Scawen & co. could easily afford to have a
contractor work on the house. And who really cares? that's NOT OUR problem
We should have had at least 3 updates already. It doesn't matter what they
are so long as they are updates!!!!!!!
We DESPERATELY need an update to fix...... to fix....... To fix.....
Uh could someone help me out here?

Really though. These guys have been busting their ass and putting up with a
ton of B.S. for what 3 years? If people want to go and play this Rfactor or
whatever - so what? They need to make an update because another game came out? LOL I've only experienced one Bug that I know of. And to be honest, I thought it was cool. (some bug removed the front fenders off the LX's ... made them look really cool)
And it was very minor and could easily be fixed by the user.

You know, the only real update I think LFS needs is a patch that installs Driver etiquette into users via a subliminal message in the start menu.
Trouble is, I don't think that's possible and if it was, I doubt it would be legal.

Besides, I remember a while back (in S-1), the devs were slinging out patches like every 5 minutes..... Ok once every couple of days.

It was nice of them to stay on things like that, but to tell the truth, it
was also kinda annoying installing all the patches all the time, but they
were needed or they noticably improved the game when installed.

I don't think there really is much that needs fixing or patches to make this game perform any better.
As a consumer, I'd would rather them take a break from the routine, take care of other things and then attack the game with a fresh perspective.

Speaking from experience, constantly keeping your nose to the grindstone doesn't do anything besides mess up your face.

And also, what do we need an update for?

M.Mos

19th September 2005, 16:17

Whats your problem? Are you just waiting for someone to ask a noobish question so you all can bash him. Do you think the devs needs a bunch of hobby lawyers?

Maybe he has bought S2 ... maybe not. Wonder how you guys can tell :really:

Don

19th September 2005, 16:21

no but its pretty weird to bash devs for not giving any updates and claiming he bought s2 since he didnt buy it, and even more possible he stole it! (his status is demo-racer and if you look at lfs world he has no stats)

mkinnov8

19th September 2005, 16:29

OMG There are so many ungreatful people on here!

Geeez give them a break, the devs have been working hard, give them some time. Im quite sure they are working on new things everyday, its just that
they are not releasing anything until they have something big.

Tired of these threads now, when is this coming out, why isnt that released... Go play rfactor if you want unrealistic mods... Otherwise, stick around and be patient.

Vain

19th September 2005, 16:48

I'm completely okay with the devs demand for holidays. Let them take their time. It's their job and it's them who tell them when to work and when not to work.
But I wanted to write a word on the kind of updates:
I like smaller updates. If someone would fix the sound-issue with locking tyres and no sound I wouldn't want to wait 2 more month until the update is big enough. Better a small patch every once in a while instead a big patch every new year. ;)
But I'll say again: I'm completely comfortable with the devs current behaviour! Have fun guys! :)

Vain

B2B@300

19th September 2005, 16:51

We got S2, and it is great :) to be honest the devs deserve all the rest-up they want. They have already earned my £24 upteen times over.

I agree entirely ^ I've bought tonnes of games over the years and rarely does one keep me interseted for longer than a few weeks.. a really good one maybe a month or two :D Well i've been at LFS nearly every day for about one and a half years now and I still cant wait till I get home from work to try a new setting lol And the real kicker is most other games have cost me $90 bucks on average LOL so LFS seems remakably cheap even if I never see another update! :nana:

bbman

19th September 2005, 16:56

In times like these, where patching already starts with DEMOS and bugged full versions, sometimes completely unplayable out-of-the-box, I wonder why something, that has less bugs in the alpha as some games in the full version, demands an update... What for? :really:

DodgeRacer

19th September 2005, 17:50

I'm not positivly sure I understand what you mean...but LFS isn't like most games in that there is never a " finished full version" there will be lots of patches becaus its still being devoloped, but they never that i know of have released somthing that isn't playable, and if that unfortuantly happens they are normaly quick to get on it.

bbman

19th September 2005, 20:46

I meant that other games needed patching before they even got playable or their demos contained so many bugs, that patching the demo was necessary... Compared to this, why should LfS needs an update so desperately, that someone can't wait another 3 months? I myself found not a single bug yet...

Vain

20th September 2005, 08:19

-> Skid-sound-bug

Vain

DodgeRacer

20th September 2005, 10:31

PistonHead

20th September 2005, 11:42

If i was paying a subscription for LFS then i would rightly expect updates and fixes on a regular basis ! :)

But seeing as we have all paid our money, and got a great game to start with - there's only so far your £24 can take LFS before they need another 12 or 24 for a significantly improved version. I guessing that LFS is their sole income, so they cant be expected to provide regular updates i.e. every month when they are working on bigger things they will keep them in the black. Fair enough if there were some serious flaws with S2 then they should be fixing them free of charge..but otherwise i'm not expecting anything groundbreaking for some time now, and when something does come along - i'm expecting to pay these guys some money for the privilege of running it.

Just enjoy what you have and help support the modding community for now - the LFS experience is what you make of it :D

Steve

PS - If the devs read this i for one would rather pay a monthly subscription rather than a one off price if it ment you could employ someone to provide regular improvements and revised content for LFS :)

tristancliffe

20th September 2005, 12:24

Perhaps the demo should be 'fixed', so that new stuff is only available in S1/S2.

Obviously bug fixes, and certain things deemed necessary for the demo should be added, but some things should be kept from them as much as possible. This will give MORE incentive for the cheapskates who only use the demo to pay the tiny pittance required.

Cue-Ball

20th September 2005, 16:41

I don't think we'll see too many broad, sweeping changes in a patch any time soon. I doubt that Scawen will do any physics changes until S2 final because that would invalidate all of the current hotlap times, world record times, replays, etc. If we get anything soon it will likely be small server-side options, interface tweaks, etc. Stuff that won't affect every single replay that's already out and floating around.

Frankly, I think the non-physics stuff would make give the most bang-per-programming-hour anyway.

nuggetz

20th September 2005, 20:39

BTW, I am licensed for S2. I'm just not using the same name apparently for the forums. Didn't notice this until you guys claimed I was running the demo. I'm not bashing the devs, I'm just stating that expecting frequent updates to a product I've purchased is not a crime and I dont think I'm alone here. I love LFS and I respect the devs and I know how it is to work 15 hour days.

cannonfodder

24th September 2005, 22:43

I myself found not a single bug yet...
The high nose aero exploit? The aforementioned skid sound bug?

bbman

25th September 2005, 00:42

Yeah, pointing out bugs to me makes that much sense when I say that I haven't found any yet... :pillepall

tristancliffe

25th September 2005, 11:48

Yeah, pointing out bugs to me makes that much sense when I say that I haven't found any yet... :pillepall

So you haven't driven a single downforce car at the oval? Nearly everyone uses that bug to an advantage.

Have you never looked back in the FO8 (clipping bug).
Have you never touched the pit building walls, and been thrown around?
Have you never played LFS?

You WILL have encountered a bug or two. I promise you that. Whether or not you noticed is another matter altogether...

LFS is NOT bug free. But it is extremely playable despite the bugs, and by far the best driving simulator available today (or tomorrow).

All imho of course ;)

franky500

25th September 2005, 12:35

just to sayt about the updates...

a.) why try and rush an update if it will need updating again cos it was rushed?

b.) would you not rather have 1 large update than loads of annoying little ones? there are so many games that have this and it annoys me.. say counterstrike for instance.. every time i have gone to play online i have had to update? whats the point!!!!! if it aint broke. dont fix it!!!!

c.) how many people here would actually bother trying to update there game every week / month? i know i would rather stick with what we got and enjoy some racing rather than waste another 30 minutes a week updating when i could be enjoying a good race with my friends..

also whoever said about the devs could afford a contractor to do the house work , 1.) i assume you know how much they spend in their private lives then? 2.) why hire a contractor when you can do it yourself and get exactly what you want.. then use the savings to get something nice.

oh and the bugs, fair enough they need fixing.. but everybody seems to be using them to an advantage in one way or another so i dont see a rush to fix it untill it starts disadvantaging a few people.

my 2 cents.

bbman

25th September 2005, 15:14

So you haven't driven a single downforce car at the oval? Nearly everyone uses that bug to an advantage.
Oval? Why driving something boring without any challenges (trackwise)?
Have you never looked back in the FO8 (clipping bug).
No, FO8 isn't very interesting to me...
Have you never touched the pit building walls, and been thrown around?
Why should I have? I live by the rule car+wall=bad... ;)
Have you never played LFS?
That I have done...
LFS is NOT bug free.
I never assumed it hasn't any, try not to interpret things in my post I never said or will say... ;)
But it is extremely playable despite the bugs, and by far the best driving simulator available today (or tomorrow).
100% agree... :nod:

mrodgers

25th September 2005, 16:23

I'd say there are not many BIG bugs in LFS, not many in quantity that is. There are quite a few little ones, but the big ones are the ones that need addressed. Like collision detection, the tire modelling, the physics modelling. I'm not listing stuff that I personally think are bugs, just the big ones that have been said here time and time again. So what happens when they send us an update for every little thing fixed? Setups won't work and we will be back at square one with racing again. So they send us a note, "hey we have an update. We fixed the tire model and it is working perfectly now." Fantastic, it's a few days until everyone gets it downloaded. Now everyone is complaining that their old setups aren't working anymore. So we all spend a month getting the setups back into shape, just in time for them to post another update. This time they fixed the downforce. Ok, here we go again, rebuild setups because changing the downforce will change everything else in handling. Finally get the setups right again and they change something in the physics...... blah blah....

I don't want an update after every little thing is changed. I'd say unless S2 is fully released, then update as many things as possible before releasing the update.

Gunn

26th September 2005, 11:13

Some people seem to think that a feature that is not yet fully implemented is a bug. This is of course not true. Remember we are at alpha stage. If something doesn't yet exist or is still being developed that doesn't mean it is a bug. ;)

al heeley

26th September 2005, 11:16

Heh, true, very true. S2 alpha is so good, a lot of people forget it is not a finished game!

tristancliffe

26th September 2005, 21:20

Madman_CZ

27th September 2005, 00:36

And then they moan about the 'it's not finished' argument, even though it's 100% valid.

People didn't moan that the GTR demo was a bit shoddy in places, cos they knew it wasn't finished.... Of course, the fact that the full game was shoddy in many areas too took the wind out of their sails, but yes...

...LFS S2 isn't finished, and LFS itself won't be finished until S3 has been released (and patched a bit I expect).

hehe gtr is possibly the most buggy sim ever made... just go to the gtr forums and have a read ..... and the use of starforce didnt help their cause....

people who play lfs just need to be patient....s2 full will be out soon and then s3 we years (yes years) later....