FLP/m presents: These are Corners

[felplacerad]

This project has been discontinued.

[XenoWolf]

Heh, should get some good ones for Blackwood T1.

[joshdifabio]

Very nicely done guys, i was hoping someone would do something like this when the thread came up the other day. Personally i lacked the talent :p. I hope it will be a success.

Josh

[traxxion]

Wow, love the way you set it up... some brilliant coding work again! Like the idea as well!
Will there be something like a deadline for corners to get their official names? We should make that a global feastday and baptize every corner individually!

[Bob Smith]

Nice idea, will be great to finally get these sorted. Has been a long time coming! Always thought it would be better as a community project that having the devs dream them up. Someone should send this link to Eric somehow, he must have given the issue at least a little thought in the past. He designed them in all their sexyness afterall.

[mkinnov8]

Another great one from this Duo!! Wow!

[SamH]

You rock! :thumb:

In the STCC broadcasts, because we've had to name corners for the general viewing public, we fielded for names among the STCC drivers. How do we submit them for consideration? As they're already out there in the public domain for the first four rounds, I think those names should be at least provisional.

The broadcast for round 5 isn't at the stage where we need corner names, so I reckon the STCC will of course use the names decided on in this project. We STCCers didn't/don't want to hold the monopoly on corner naming, but for the first 4 rounds, we needed to call them something! :tilt:

[filur]

In the STCC broadcasts, because we've had to name corners for the general viewing public, we fielded for names among the STCC drivers. How do we submit them for consideration? As they're already out there in the public domain for the first four rounds, I think those names should be at least provisional.
Since it's sort of (completely) geared towards single users, there's no real way of adding a batch of suggestions from <source>, but i guess you could just get in there and suggest the ones you've used in STCC?

The project/site needs all the user content it can get and probably wont "take off" without a good amount of things to vote for, so to anyone (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=5033) who's got some ideas (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=15932)-- suggest them! :)

[Hyperactive]

Doesn't work with Opera. Can't give names to corners. Though putting opera into iexplorer compatibility mode makes it work :scratchch

Or you just (again) blocked me out :p :really:

[filur]

Well that's odd, Opera is my main browser and i've been using it (9.10.8660) while working on teh corners. :tilt:

Which version are you using?

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/ :)

[Hyperactive]

9.02

Might as well update then :shy:

EDIT: "you are already using the newest version..."
EDIT2: It seems that I wasn't logged in properly :D (runs)

[GianniC]

So this was what you were talking about! Nice site and very well done! :thumb:

Oh btw, minor thingy:
http://sccabco.free.fr/up/errrrr.JPG

Let's start brainstorming about some names!


PS: I do think there must be at least 1 SCCC related name in 1 of the SO combo's, since we're the South City Cab Company and present in LFS since the early months! :nod: ;) Would be an véry huge honour!!

[Blackout]

PS: I do think there must be at least 1 SCCC related name in 1 of the SO combo's, since we're the South City Cab Company and present in LFS since the early months! :nod: ;)

Yeah, maybe the dark chicane of SO Classic could be named as Tukko because the finnish meaning of the word :D

[felplacerad]

hiukset riippuivat takkuisina!

[Blackout]

hiukset riippuivat takkuisina!

Errrr :scratchch

[GianniC]

Hair is a mess ?

[Blackout]

It can mean something which is making a block, blocking something. And if someone spins in that chicane it makes a block, tukko that is :tilt:

[felplacerad]

It can mean something which is making a block, blocking something. And if someone spins in that chicane it makes a block, tukko that is :tilt:



why, thank you :)

[Funnybear]

good design lads . . . . Been through and made a few sudgestions.

[duke_toaster]

Where's my PM :x

E: I am using opera.

E2: On LFSW, not the forum. Doh.

[Blackout]

Where have you been funnybear, haven't seen you post here in long time! :D

[felplacerad]

banalot for bl1t1 (A), hahaha ... i'd buy that for a dollar!

Edit: Encountered a little bug where "&" is used in the suggestion. This has been noted.

[duke_toaster]

Any chance of an edit button? I accidentally put the wrong name on the wrong corner.

[Kronvall]

Well done fel and filur :thumb:

[felplacerad]

Any chance of an edit button? I accidentally put the wrong name on the wrong corner.


Yes, in time. Which corner did you screw up?

[Funnybear]

Where have you been funnybear, haven't seen you post here in long time! :D

No internet access, no computer, no LFS'ing. Still not on too a regular thing but it's getting there. So I'm poking my nose around and seeing whats up.

So . . .


Wassup?

[duke_toaster]

Turn M at Fern Bay. Should be Grand Hotel not Signal box.

[Hyperactive]

Another thing: When I'm trying to browse the corner names I need to manually refresh the current site to see if some corner has got new names.

[joshdifabio]

It looks like there are votes going to the worst names :/. Why would we want BL1 T1 to be "Banalot"..? Can people please pick the decent names?

[Funnybear]

If the community wants it . . . thats what the community wants. And anyway, although extremely well done, the site isn't exactly official is it. One thing though, prehaps the list of names could be a bit longer, just seeing the top five doesn't leave much scope for a quick vote.

[joshdifabio]

By the way, i keep getting the following error. I'm using the latest version of Firefox.

[felplacerad]

By the way, i keep getting the following error. I'm using the latest version of Firefox.



Yes I've already noted that one, but since I suck at editing MySQL databases we'll have to wait for lur to wake up :D

[joshdifabio]

Sorry, just after i posted that i noticed the "&" thing in there :S.

[filur]

Oh btw, minor thingy:
http://sccabco.free.fr/up/errrrr.JPG
Which browser made that happen? :sorry:

Any chance of an edit button? I accidentally put the wrong name on the wrong corner.
It'll be a delete/undo button, you'll be able to "undo" a suggestion before it's been voted on.

Edit: Encountered a little bug where "&" is used in the suggestion. This has been noted.
And fixed, hopefully.

It's looking pretty good so far, current suggestions-per-user ratio is amazing and there's some really good ones already. :)

[col]

Nice work - if we have to decide on names artificially, then this is as good a way as any...

One thing I've noticed is that some of the folks suggesting names are obviously not thinking about how these names will sound in usage.

The only point in having names for corners is so that its easier to discuss them... unfortunately too many suggestions are long multiword phrases...
think how your suggested name would sound in some possible sentences such as:

I lost the rear coming out of XXXX
wtf, you took me out just before the XXXX apex
If I get a good second sector, I always lose it in XXXX
XXXX gets me every time
you're losing time in XXXX and XXXX... try braking earlier for XXXX and dont mash the throttle so soon at the XXXX exit.

etc. etc.

Col

[Kostek]

Good point, Col.

Name has to be short (max 2 words imo) and catchy, must sound good and fit into given examples.

"Oh My God What A Scary Quick Bend" does not. "Widowmaker" does, for example :)

[Bob Smith]

How the hell do they pick corner names IRL anyway?

I know we must make them appropriate for the course, i.e. English for English tracks, Japense for Kyoto, Jive for Fern Bay..

[Becky Rose]

South City Turns N+O: Named by Eric himself, on a sign by the road, "Kenton Way".
Obviously my vote for all the STCC names stands, Barnados at the end of Fern Bay is loosing the vote, which is a shame as it was our good cause charity for round 4.

I have to say as far as the STCC broadcasts are concerned there are some suggested names I cannot and will not use, "Trouser" and "Snake" at Aston Cadet for example, forget it. I'll happily use this page for 'inspiration' and take the good ones, but some i'm just not going to run with.

[felplacerad]

How the hell do they pick corner names IRL anyway?

I know we must make them appropriate for the course, i.e. English for English tracks, Japense for Kyoto, Jive for Fern Bay..



Of course,

and since we've got representatives from all these regions that won't be a problem. Anyway, I agree with filur, it seems like this is working rather good, except for bl1 t1 of course, which havent got any suggestion we've been able to approve ..

Autobrowsing is more fun than i imagined it would be :)

[filur]

I'll happily use this page for 'inspiration' and take the good ones.

That's the idea. :)

[tombarlin]

Great idea and really well done cant wait to see results:D

i dont like dingledell or anyother names out of real tracks abit thoughtless :shrug:

[Nard]

I started posting names for turns that didn't have any going. It's pretty easy, hop in LFS, go look at the corner, remember stuff that happened to you there, or stuff people would say about the corner, or names people have already been using. Comes pretty easily. But I have to say some name sugestions are horrible.

[GianniC]

That's the idea. :)

But will there be made a final thingy we're we all can see: this is the name of thàt corner and nothing else ?

[Dajmin]

Really nice idea. Love the site.

Problem is, some of the names ranked high are really unimaginiative. "Esses1" and "Esses2", "Pit Corner", "U-Turn" - please :)

On the other hand, some of them are really good. Although I notice that for the final U on SO Sprint 1, nobody has suggested the Jaknife :) Sorry Jack, nobody will ever let you live it down!

[Eleanor SpeedGT]

Great site, added a few from mine too :)

[col]

Really nice idea. Love the site.

Problem is, some of the names ranked high are really unimaginiative. "Esses1" and "Esses2", "Pit Corner", "U-Turn" - please :)

On the other hand, some of them are really good. Although I notice that for the final U on SO Sprint 1, nobody has suggested the Jaknife :) Sorry Jack, nobody will ever let you live it down!

Yeah? except some of those - like esses(1) and esses(2) have been used since early demo days. If a corner already has an established name, you aren't going to change that with a vote and an announcement...
Like Blackwood T1, there's only one name for that turn and it is 'T1', because is always was - there was a time when that was the only LFS track... folks aren't going to suddenly start saying "you rammed me in Paramount... NOOB".. its always going to be 'T1'.

Problem is that too many folks don't know their history ;)
....
Another thing I noticed, assuming it is the intention, Barnardos has 2 r's, So it would be kinda odd to call a turn Barnados - sounds like an island somewhere or something...

Is there also a charity called Barnados ?

(wouldn't surprise me, I remember in the UK during the general election for one seat, (can't remember where) the conservatives put in 2 candidates - one 'Conservative' and one 'literal democrat' - split the liberal democrat vote and the Conservative candidate won the seat.... because most folks don't read things properly :) - just happily give their vote or old clothes erroniously)

Col

[Dajmin]

I'd be fine with the section being called "The Esses", but the corners inside it should have individual names as well.

Because if the corners have names and nobody uses them, it's totally pointless.
It'd be like not using driver names because they all have a number.

[felplacerad]

Another thing I noticed, assuming it is the intention, Barnardos has 2 r's, So it would be kinda odd to call a turn Barnados - sounds like an island somewhere or something...

Since no edit function has been implented yet i'd be glad to manually change the spelling if the suggestee contacts me.

By the way I cannot resist the urge to share some statistics: (mon, dec 11th, site has been up since sat, dec 9th)


Corners: 131

Users: 63
Suggestions: 428
total votes;3972
-Negative: 2192
-Positive: 1342
Neutral: 438

[bobvanvliet]

This is a damn fine initiative.:thumb:

I'm voting for all the STCC names 'cause I think those guys (and girl ;)) deserve some credit for their hard work and aside from "dingel dell" (explain that one to me sometime...), they all sounded really good in the spoken commentary.

Furthermore, I wholehartedly agree with the comment on the BL legacy, T1 and the Blackwood Esses are already established terms in my book, so luckily they're winning the vote.

[Lateralus]

This is a damn fine initiative.:thumb:

I'm voting for all the STCC names 'cause I think those guys (and girl ;)) deserve some credit for their hard work and aside from "dingel dell" (explain that one to me sometime...)

Dingle Dell is a bend at Brands Hatch.

EDIT: Or maybe it was, and doesn't exist anymore. I knew Dingle Dell used to be a fantastic corner on the old Brands Hatch GP circuit. I don't know how the layout has been revised since then.

[bbman]

Suggestions: 428
total votes;3972
-Negative: 2192
And this is the problem: Everybody is just voting (negative), almost nobody is suggesting... Come on! You can't just put every suggestion down without proposing a better name yourself!

[bhs]

Can we call BL GP T1 "jockstrap?"

[duke_toaster]

This is a damn fine initiative.:thumb:

I'm voting for all the STCC names 'cause I think those guys (and girl ;)) deserve some credit for their hard work and aside from "dingel dell" (explain that one to me sometime...), they all sounded really good in the spoken commentary.

Furthermore, I wholehartedly agree with the comment on the BL legacy, T1 and the Blackwood Esses are already established terms in my book, so luckily they're winning the vote.

IMO almost all of the STCC names are rather sucky - the Rallycross ones specifically.

[Bob Smith]

By the way, i keep getting the following error. I'm using the latest version of Firefox.
Worked fine for me until I signed up, now all I get is that...

[Slartibartfast]

That is a very nice website. I love the idea of LFS corners having names. I only blipped through quickly, but intend to investigate further when i have more time. Only one thing missing in my opinion:

Corners named after drivers.

Scawen, Victor, Eric, Tweak, Tristan, RMachucaA, Amp88, Viper, Gunn, Gimpster...

Any famous battles out there? Or funny vids? Anyone we would all agree should be celebrated in some way?


(Westhill H should be called "Sack". Because you have to grab it every freakin' time you go through there.)

[Hyperactive]

And this is the problem: Everybody is just voting (negative), almost nobody is suggesting... Come on! You can't just put every suggestion down without proposing a better name yourself!

Maybe it is because there are some bad corner names. And yes you can :p
---
I don't know about you but if this is going to get any more official, the corner names should be a bit more personal than just the Eau rouges and parabolicas. T1 at AS3 is nothing like the Parabolica, for example ;)

[Slartibartfast]

...and just to make things more difficult for you:

Perhaps some way of naming straights and complexes of corners. :nod:

[filur]

Worked fine for me until I signed up, now all I get is that...
Any chance of a more detailed report? :)

...and just to make things more difficult for you: Perhaps some way of naming straights and complexes of corners. :nod:
You can suggest the same name for different corners, which could be a way of naming complexes.

I'd also like to suggest for suggesters to avoid adding names like "esses 1" and "esses 2", unless you actually mean the name is supposed to include the number just go with "esses" for both corners.

[_Jeremy_]

Can't suggest more than one name for a corner?????

[felplacerad]

Can't suggest more than one name for a corner?????

no!!!!! You can suggest another one if your first suggestion gets enough negative votes. But if your 1st choice was that bad I bet your second one wont stand a chance either.

Edit, sorry about the 'tude, dude! I am just tired. To answer your question in a more civil manner, Well, no, you can not suggest more than one name per corner, its an attempt at keeping the suggestions as good as they get, and the site spam-free. Hope you understand and are able to forgive my previous statement.

[BunnyK]

Why I named Taran the T turn in Aston:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taran

:nut: s!

[filur]

Small update, at corners where you've made a suggestion you'll now get an info box with vote stats instead of the add-new form. A delete button will be placed here later on, letting you delete suggestions with zero positive votes and / or a low enough score.

[Nard]

Holy crap, some of my suggestions are still holding! Nice!

I guess I had good inspiration yesterday!

[Burnzoire]

lovely website guys, good work!

suggestion: on tracks like aston & fern bay, some corners can't be named properly because they are shared between track configs... A good exampel is where it's suggested as "snake" on one config, but in another it looks nothing like a snake :\ I really think you should make such corners unique (or every corner infact) for each track config.

[bbman]

Why? It's the same corner, no matter what config, maybe snake just isn't appropriate for that corner... And I've never heard of corners having more than one name in RL...

[Burnzoire]

I don't think you get my point here... they are 2 completely different corners that share a bit of tarmac. People are in a track config making suggestions on the site, unaware that these suggestions are for all other configs as well - resulting in names that make little sense!

[Nard]

Well that's why names like "Rocky Crest" or "Kingston Cove", that are referring to the surrounding environment are always better names (in case of very few physical references, then common track configuration names are better).

For example, two of my holding suggestions at Fern Bay are turns Z and V ("Sugarcane" that leads into "Fern Thicket"). Those corners have nothing special in themselves, so a name like "the magnet" or "horseshoe" are pretty bad. Look around the track and there's like a gazillion landmarks around the track there. On the inside of turn Z, there's a patch of sugarcane-like plants. And turn V circles around a small thicket that looks like Fern trees. There you have two corners that do sound good when you say them out loud and make sense in an original and unique way.

On the other hand, my Aston turn E suggestion ("Corkscrew") was pretty easy but I couldn't apply the same method. No landmarks. But the track in itself is special there. I mean, everyone can relate that turn to the kind of dip that the RL Corkscrew at Laguna Seca has. It fits the corner great, because anyway it feels like going through a corkscrew riding it!

[Dajmin]

I agree with most of you guys (I'm too lazy to go back and quote posts).

In the same respect, maybe it would help if the FLP site had screenshots of the corners so we can look for landmarks. Normally I'm paying too much attention to the road and the other drivers flying past me to see much of the scenery :)

[felplacerad]

I agree with most of you guys (I'm too lazy to go back and quote posts).

In the same respect, maybe it would help if the FLP site had screenshots of the corners so we can look for landmarks. Normally I'm paying too much attention to the road and the other drivers flying past me to see much of the scenery. :)


I am surprised how many days it took before someone mentioned that the site is missing in-game screenshots. Thing is we've tried that but it turned out to be too much work ;)

We might add them if someone would send us an archive with a screenshot of each and every corner, from every angle etc since you race through the same corner from different directions depending on what config you're running. Until then i suggest you fire up LFS in windowed mode, shift U and scout around. That must be far superior when looking for landmarks any way! :nod:

[Dajmin]

I'd love to, but I don't think my line manager would be very happy if I tried to install and play LFS on this machine :)

Besides, I don't think this hideous lumbering monster would even run it :p

But hey, if someone else wants to take the shots then please share ;)

[Tweaker]

Keep in mind that the corners shouldn't be named "Turn 1" or something, because we have reversed configs.

People are voting Blackwood's first turn as "The T1". But what about when you have a reversed track?

Some creative names are given here and there, but some really just suck to be honest :p.

And also the esses of Blackwood should not be classified as two corners in my opinion. Since S1 and even the beta days, those have been dubbed "The Esses". Because "esseS" is plural, meaning multiple turns or "S-turns" (ess). It is really only one S-turn, but it's better to call both those corners "The Esses" than to say Esses1 & Esses2.

Turn K on Westhill people are calling it the Carousel. Carousel is given to the name of a corner that is greater than or equal to 180 degrees.... or at least a long round bend. Turn K is hardly that.

And I've never recieved a message regarding registration on LFSW. Something wrong?

[Gunn]

How long does it take to recieve the registration PM?

[felplacerad]

Dajmin (and others) since I wasnt able to edit my post before replies were made i'll mention it again.

If you browse t.a.c. There are about 130 indexed corners, but we'd require far more screenshots than that since some corners are approached differently depending on what config you're running.

So before you begin, think about how much work it would really be. As I said, we tried but gave up :)

[felplacerad]

Gunn it _should_ be sent to your lfs world inbox immediately. Keep in mind that the lfsforum.net and lfsworld.net have separate inboxes.

If you didn't recieve it please PM filur, you might go ahead and remind him to turn apache back on. He might have turned it off last night when he was racing in the LXCC.

Don't expect an immigrate reply though, if i know him right he wont show up until later in the afternoon. But we'll get it sorted. Did anyone else not recieve their activation link?

[Gunn]

Gunn it _should_ be sent to your lfs world inbox immediately. Keep in mind that the lfsforum.net and lfsworld.net have separate inboxes.

If you didn't recieve it please PM filur, you might go ahead and remind him to turn apache back on. He might have turned it off last night when he was racing in the LXCC.

Don't expect an immigrate reply though, if i know him right he wont show up until later in the afternoon. But we'll get it sorted. Did anyone else not recieve their activation link?I don't think my reply will arrive now, it's been too long.

[Tweaker]

Did anyone else not recieve their activation link?
:tilt:

[Dajmin]

I got mine within a few minutes.

And yes, I have tried to map out other games in the past (as well as creating some of my own) and I know what needs to go into a project like that.
Most corners would require 2 shots (one each direction) and anywhere there's a split would require at least one more. So already we're up to about 300 screens and counting. I don't much envy that job :)

Nonetheless, it is a good idea and a nicely laid out site. Hopefully we'll see some people using these new corner names instead of just T2 and so on.

[felplacerad]

Tweak, Gunn (and presumeable others)

Just what I thought. He didn't reactive that service. Sorry about this, hmm ... There's not much I can do from where I am currently at. We'll have to wait for lur to wake up before we can sort this out.

Sorry.

[Bob Smith]

We'll have to wait for lur to wake up before we can sort this out.
You keep saying that. Is that guy perpetually in bed or something?

[Hyperactive]

You keep saying that. Is that guy perpetually in bed or something?

yes

[filur]

:zzz:

As FEL has foretold, i forgot to turn a few quite important things back on last night after the LXCC race. Things should be working now, pm's should have been sent out to those who registered during the day. :)

[DC2]

really nice... good work:thumb:

[nilo]

Hey! This is really great work! You definately know how to do things the right way. :thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:

My feature request: "My Suggestions" which shows an overview of all your suggested names with their position in the ranking. :)

[felplacerad]

I manually put together this overview of the current stats:

http://anta.mine.nu/bl.png

[Bob Smith]

Damn, a few of those names are naff. If the site would actually let me in I might vote/suggest some more...

[felplacerad]

iirc filur asked you to be a little more specific on the error (?) you were getting?

[Bob Smith]

I'm still getting that error Josh reported (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=283397#post283397).

[nilo]

"There's not a single suggestion you haven't already voted for!"
:schwitz:


Folks, come up with a few more suggestions, please. :smileypul

[filur]

I'm still getting that error Josh reported (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=283397#post283397).
That error was caused by the ampersand character, it only occured when the site tried to ask for your opinion on a suggestion containing an ampersand. It's also been fixed. All things considered, it would be very strange if this particular error is the one you're getting. The generic "not well-formed" error shouldn't be the case either since the pages pass validation and seem to work fine for most people.

In short: i don't know what to look for (or where), please be more specific (browser / page / exact error). :shrug:

[imthebestracerthereis]

You should ask one of the devs if you can get these are corners onto the LFS links on LFS World :)
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7706/lfslinksca2.jpg

[Tweaker]

I manually put together this overview of the current stats:
http://anta.mine.nu/bl.png

I still think you've got to work out your logic for describing turn sections. Not the naming, but what a 'turn' is.

Specifically what types of turns.


An Esses or "S-Turn" is classified as ONE Turn. (eg Blackwood Esses are not two corners IF you want to name it the Esses). There are of course sections which could be named as two corners like on Blackwood, but if you are going to call a section "Esses" or something that relates to a complex of turns, you need to give that entire section only one name in my opinion.
A small bend between two corners it NOT a corner in most cases (like the one someone named "not a corner" on KY GP
People are naming some corners based on a number like "T1". Again, remember that we have REVERSED configs!! Naming a corner Turn1 would just not work properly.
There are certain sections that you've put as 2-3 turns, when infact they should really only dotted as 1 turn such as a chicane or a long connecting sweeper.
You also need to make the AS North hairpin an official turn. That turn is unique, and deserves a name not connected with the Michelin tire bridge :doh:



And finally, I think you guys should be doing one track at a time for the naming. There are so many names being thrown out everywhere, it would be nice if we took our time with one track environment at a time and could discuss corners names and give comments. It seems there are some crafty names given out there, but people are voting for stupid names like "Carousel" on Westhill when they don't even know what type of turn classifies as being called carousel (a really long bend that turns well over 180 degrees). Save those names for the corners on other tracks that 'truly' need to be given those names.

Just should do one track environment at a time, and we need some kind of comments thing... there needs to be some explanation and comments to be given for suggestions AND possibly have a user submit multiple name ideas. Because there have been a few corners I thought of a better name AFTER the fact I submitted something already :(

[Gunn]

I still think you've got to work out your logic for describing turn sections. Not the naming, but what a 'turn' is.

Specifically what types of turns.

An Esses or "S-Turn" is classified as ONE Turn. (eg Blackwood Esses are not two corners IF you want to name it the Esses). There are of course sections which could be named as two corners like on Blackwood, but if you are going to call a section "Esses" or something that relates to a complex of turns, you need to give that entire section only one name in my opinion.
A small bend between two corners it NOT a corner in most cases (like the one someone named "not a corner" on KY GP
People are naming some corners based on a number like "T1". Again, remember that we have REVERSED configs!! Naming a corner Turn1 would just not work properly.
There are certain sections that you've put as 2-3 turns, when infact they should really only dotted as 1 turn such as a chicane or a long connecting sweeper.
You also need to make the AS North hairpin an official turn. That turn is unique, and deserves a name not connected with the Michelin tire bridge :doh:Agreed. And to add to that, it is not uncommon for a whole section to be named rather than each corner, even a straight section for that matter. The tracks don't need to be divided up into each and every change of direction. But if voters keep that in mind when choosing or making up names it is still a useful tool. If you think two corners or an area should be named as a section perhaps put your suggested name for both corners etc. Of course if a name like "T1" ends up getting the most votes then the whole process will come into question, in my opinion.

[Tweaker]

Yes, speaking of straights. The straightaways should have names too. That is not uncommon of MANY tracks around the world.

Names of straights like the BL backgstraight and other really long ones that deserve some notability, we definitely need to name those too :up:

I am going to come up with a BIG list of corner names off the top of my head, as well as some ones that are taken from real-life tracks. And maybe show what a few corner "types" are with some illustrations. Such a guide should be useful on this site, so it can help (as well as teach) people to judge and name the corners properly.

[SamH]

I'd like to be able to name straights as well as corners, too. I also agree that it'd be nice to be able to name areas of a track.

I've spent quite a bit of time voting for/against names of corners, and proposed a good few too. At the end of the day, I have to admit that what matters more to me than what the name of a corner/straight is, is how memorable it is. I ask myself, now, will I RECALL a name, not do I LIKE a name.

I think this project is definitely one of, if not the best community initiatives we've seen in a good long while and what you guys have done, and are doing, and the way you've set about it, I think is absolutely brilliant.

[filur]

Luckily the hardest part of adding straights is figuring out a new title for the site. :) FEL handles all the maps and he'll be travelling to some distant lands for some time, upon his return we'll probably add a few straights.
For naming sections, suggest the same name for multiple corners. As for some corners "not being a corner", maybe it can become part of a section/area instead.
Config-specific corners - probably not. Most corners probably won't need it, the few that do could be discussed separately.
Comments at the site - no. I'm trying to keep the amount of database queries as low as possible, i don't want arguments on every page, and the forum provides alot better messaging features then any comments system i could add.
One track at a time - no, it'll take too long and the site needs alot of content to keep people interested while the project is running. Discussing one track at a time could work when it's time to wrap things up.
Multiple suggestions - no. I'll be adding a delete button letting you delete your own suggestion if it has received zero positive votes or has a low enough score.

If "T1" ends up winning a poll, i guess the corner could be named "Turn one / Turn last" or something similar.

[Burnzoire]

I think you'll find that many quite famous tracks use simple terms like "First Corner" "Last Corner" "Straight" "Chicane". I think they should be default names that gain favour over anything with a low score.

As far as reverse tracks go... well that's tricky because computer game culture practically invented the concept - as far as I'm aware real world tracks don't run reverse..? I could be wrong.

I think names should be based off the forward variant, and when racing rev configs you should just accept the fact that you're racing against the grain... T1 will be come last.

[Gunn]

If "T1" ends up winning a poll, i guess the corner could be named "Turn one / Turn last" or something similar.That would also be a disaster. No way am I ever going to name a corner "T1" or "turn one". Despite the fact that it lacks any imagination or creativity it would make the whole community look silly. Also, that turn is the final turn in reverse config.

"Car number 42 exits turn one and crosses the finish line!"

[Tweaker]

Went through hundreds of real track's corner names and it is a pretty big list. There is of course the issue of copying the names, because some sound GREAT! But there are many useful words that could help everyone name the corners properly (ex: Park, Hill, Keyhole, Hook, Loop, etc).

Take a look, it's a big list :) (Most Australian and UK tracks have witty corner names :))

Firestone Corner
Gum Tree Bend
Back Straight
The Esses
Panorama
Firehawk Sweep
Honda Hairpin
Beach Bend
Potters Pass Curve
Rifle Bend (like a kink)
Cocobana Corner
Beach Straight
Butts Bend
The Sweep
Brilliant Straight
Chicane
Sweep
Mineshaft (steep downhill)
Kink
Beacon
Curve
Knee (like a kink)
Club Corner
The Rise
Saddle
Devil’s Leap
Devil’s Elbow
Devil’s Horn
Devil’s Tail
Grandstand Straight
Maternity Bend (very round bend – like shape pregnant woman’s stomach)
Faraway Hill
Moorish Hill
San Francisco Hill
Hill Straight
Export Turn
Crossroads
Park Straight
Park Hotel
Revolver Corner
Attwood Curve
Moss “S”
Piper Corner
Redman Corner
Hobbs Corner
Mike Knight Corner
Williams Corner
S Curves
Dunlop Curve
Degner Curve
Spoon Curve (oblonged shaped curve, almost like parabolica)
Casio Triangle (sharp corners that make up a chicane or complex of apexes)
Victory Corner
Terrace Corner (terrace is like a patio)
Paddock Bend
Hairpin Curve
Twins Corner (two apex corner that is taken as one smooth racing line/curve)
Westend / West End
Southend / South End
Northend / North End
Eastend / East End
Lucky Strike Corner
Main Straight
New Loop
Sunway Lagoon
Kenyir Lake
Pits Bend (either a corner before or after pit entrance/exit)
Lucas Loop
Senna Chicane (we shouldn’t use Senna, but name a legendary driver of LFS )
Wakefield Road
Wakefield Corner
Flinders Street
East Terrace
Jones Straight
Brewery Corner
Bartels Road
Brabham Straight
Jones
Aughtie Drive
Sports Centre
Hellas
Whiteford
Albert Road Drive
Marina
Lauda
Clark
Fittipaldi
Lakeside Drive
Waite
Hill
Ascari
Ross Gregory Drive
Dunlop Loop
Stop Corner
Kolb Corner
Yokohama Corner (Evostar, Cromo Curve, etc etc?)
Cat Loops
Cecchele Esses
King’s Avenue
Queen Victoria Terrace
Langton Crescent
Flynn Place
Flynn Drive
Scriveners Corner
State Circle
Karrussell / Carousel (a long round bend that turns more than 180 degrees)
Eastern Loop (Western, Northern, Southern)
Dunlop Bridge
Hell Corner
Mountain Straight
Quarry
The Cutting
Griffin’s Mount
Reid Park
Sulman Park
McPhillamy Park
Skyline
The Dipper Esses
Forrest’s Elbow (or Forest’s)
Conrod Straight
The Chase
Murray’s Corner
Recaro Corner
Champion Curve
Fosters Dip
Dogleg (two little kinks put together, like in the middle of KY National)
Siberia
Gardner Straight
Swan Corner (something graceful and smooth?)
Lukey Heights (use ‘heights’ where there is altitude change on the track)
Pacific Highway (Atlantic Highway)
Hill Parade
Main Beach Parade
The Esplanade
View Avenue
Diamondback
Rendezvous
Castrol Straight
Start
Boulevard
Chateau d’Eau
Grand Curve
Casino
Village
La Tour
Omega (shape of the corner is like omega symbol)
S-Bend
Parabolica
Tarzan
Phoenix Monument
Sarah’s Cottage
Laurel Bank
Cronk-y-Voddy
Glenn Duff
Waterworks
Gooseneck
Mountain Mile
Graham Memorial
Bungalow
Brandywell
Windy Corner
Keppel Gate
Brandish
Signpost
Union Mile
Semaphore
Rome
Rascasse
Grand Hotel
Mirabeau
Tunnel
Rivage
Euro Curve
Hammerhead
Nailhead
Bottle Cap
Widowmaker (implying a dangerous corner that takes lives)
Windmill
Clover Leaf
Pits Hairpin
Autostrada (straightaway)
Lake Hairpin
Riding School
Azul (blue)
Rio
Station (or Train Station, Bus Station, ?)
Ring
Hospital
Expo
Angel
Falcon
The Strip
Sand Trap
New Bend
Prince George Corner
Symonettes Straights
British Colonial Loop
Sassoon Straight
Esso Bend
Eckie’s Twist
Royal Victoria Curve
Carlton Corner
Allan’s Alley
Dolphin Corner
Windsor Way
Emerald Beach Pass
Sand’s Bend
Blackbeard’s Bend
Pilot House Corner
Crise’s Corner
Montague Stretch
Parker’s End
Breckenridge Bend
Green Bank
Taylor Turn
Cascade
Hump
The Gulch
Namerow
Bridge Turn
White’s Corner
Moss Corner
Clubman
Clubhouse
Valley Corner / Curve
Deer’s Leap
Marshall’s Hairpin
Lost Hill
Zorro’s Corners
Grapevine
Cotton Corners
Riverside
Sunset
Woodbridge
Walkover
Kettle Bottoms
Hurry Downs
Wiggly Field
The Dunes
Phoenix Flat
Green Valley
The Off-Camber
Gateshack Esses
The Chute
Flatiron
Dam Turn
Santa Fe Straight
Dip
Mule Shoe
Big Bend
No Name Straight
Diving Turn
Pine Avenue
Seaside Way
Shoreline Drive
Speed Trap
Keyhole
Jump
Peak
Tunnel Curve
Long Pond Straight
Festival Curves
Times Square
Dead Bear Turn
Creek
Balbach Street
Almaden Boulevard
Ulmann Straight
Sunset Bend
Gurney Bend
Fangio Chicane
Cunningham Corner
Tower Turn
Bishop Bend
Oak Tree
Madison Avenue
Roller Coaster
Hog Pen
Horseshoe
Left Hook (Right Hook)
Snakes
Up Hill
Fish Hook
Birch
Spiral
Pelton Bend
Archers Corner
Bluff Bend
The 90 (90 degree corner)
Rabbit’s Ear
Monroe Ridge
Wing’s Leg
Balcony
The Plaza
The Whip
Beginner's End
Cattail Straight
Picnic Table
Copperhead Corner
Swift Curve
The Wall


Sorry if it is a long list, but it's nice to have something people can look at quickly and come up with ideas. :shy:

[felplacerad]

[...]
An Esses or "S-Turn" is classified as ONE Turn. (eg Blackwood Esses are not two corners [...]I was aware of the Blackwood Esses but it wasn't easy for me to predict what the community would go with, so i simply made it two seperate entries. As been pointed out before, if you believe that 2 cornerns should be merged simply suggest the same name for both. And if you believe a part of a track (an über-small kink) should not even be in there, discuss it here and we'll see.

A small bend between two corners[...]Again, it was hard for me to predict what people were expecting. Naming the entry "not a corner" and discussing it here would be a good wait of sorting them bugs out, i guess. :)
There are certain sections that you've put as 2-3 turns, when infact they should really only dotted as 1 turn such as a chicane or a long connecting sweeper.I guess my esses-reply qualifies as an answer here too ;)

You also need to make the AS North hairpin an official turn. [...]I agree. I'll see to it that it happens.

Straightways ... Yep I'll be adding some straights eventually. I'd also appreciate some pointers on which straights to add. Keep the discussion going.


Right,

It's nice to receive some feedback, although i doubt i'll be able to make any changes before i leave tomorrow. Hopefully the community will have discussed and decided on what part of the tracks should be added/merged/split by the time i get back! ;)

PS you could wrap the list in code tags.

[sweetreid]

A small bend between two corners it NOT a corner in most cases (like the one someone named "not a corner" on KY GP


Yeah I penned that one, thought it was a nice fit.

I agree with having some discussion... Is 'The T1' really the best we can do here?

[Tweaker]

Straightways ... Yep I'll be adding some straights eventually. I'd also appreciate some pointers on which straights to add. Keep the discussion going.
Here is just a few ideas for what straights you would mark. I've added some names so you can see why the straights are nice to name :)

[TagForce]

Yeah I penned that one, thought it was a nice fit.

I agree with having some discussion... Is 'The T1' really the best we can do here?

The T1 is probably the only name for that turn that will ever stick... I've seen people refer to it as T1 even on the reverse track (where it is in fact TLast).

@Tweak:
At Kyoto, the turn you named Don Bikes Kink should not be named... It's an oval turn, and turns like that on the s/f straight are always called dogleg or tri-oval. You could name the straight Don Bikes Straight/Shute.. You specifically named the corner though.

[Tweaker]

The T1 is probably the only name for that turn that will ever stick... I've seen people refer to it as T1 even on the reverse track (where it is in fact TLast).

@Tweak:
At Kyoto, the turn you named Don Bikes Kink should not be named... It's an oval turn, and turns like that on the s/f straight are always called dogleg or tri-oval. You could name the straight Don Bikes Straight/Shute.. You specifically named the corner though.
FYI, Kyoto is not a Tri-Oval with that shape. Tri-Ovals are 3 turns (hence the "tri") with a FLAT straightaway in the front or back... Kyoto is nowhere near that, and an odd shape of course.

I agree it could be called a chute though.

About the "T1 / Turn 1" deal with Blackwood and other tracks. We do NOT need to give it the name "The T1" simply for the fact that we always refer to the corners of the track as this because that is just for reference. Either "T1" or the "last turn" when discussing it with people. This is common for every track you race when you are explaining things to people. This DOESN'T meant we need to call those turns T1 or Turn 1 :doh:. Blackwood's Turn 1 needs a creative and crafty name that best describes the turn 1 mayhem we are all familiar with. That is what would fit it the best. It needs a nickname that people will be happy to shout out loud. "Turn 1", "T1", "The T1", that's just a numerical reference like with any track, and I call every track's 1st turn "Turn 1".

[filur]

That would also be a disaster. No way am I ever going to name a corner "T1" or "turn one". Despite the fact that it lacks any imagination or creativity it would make the whole community look silly. Also, that turn is the final turn in reverse config.

"Car number 42 exits turn one and crosses the finish line!"
I did actually elaborate a bit more on why it wouldn't be such a disaster, car number 42 would exit turn last, etc.

Tweaker is right, if it ends up being "T1" i guess most people would agree the corner is still unnamed.

[nilo]

Tweaker is right, if it ends up being "T1" i guess most people would agree the corner is still unnamed.


-1 :shrug:

For any other "first" corner thats true, but NOT for Blackwood GP "T1". It is most likely the oldest named corner in LFS. It is also the FIRST corner, everyone new to LFS sees when entering the game. I for myself remember calling it "T1" since somewhere around 2003. :nod:

[Flycantbird]

Just should do one track environment at a time, and we need some kind of comments thing... there needs to be some explanation and comments to be given for suggestions AND possibly have a user submit multiple name ideas. Because

I think this a reasonable suggestion.
Hats off to those who took the initiative to start this project, but I think they ( and everyone ) needs to have to courage to rethink the process.

For this to work ( and it would be cool if it works on a global scale), you need as many people as possible involved, and you need a better selection process than the current random voting.

I think a track by track discussion and debate, whether in a forum here, or on the 'curves' website, would be a good thing, prior to any voting.
Narrow the possiblities down to a certain number, then put it to a vote, one track at a time. There is no need for immediate results, after all.

As it is now, I can decide I like a name for no other reason than person x used it last week, and convince 15 other people to vote against all others, etc.

As tweaker points out, there is no explaination being offered for choices, and no consideration of what constitutes the traditional naming of turns, straights, areas, etc.

Please don't let the fact that you've invested a week already discourage you from pursuing the BEST options for naming track components.
If it does work, then these names will be with us for years to come.

If it's a hodge podge of T1, Bakers Right Hander, Banalot Turn, etc, it will end up a waste of time. If its done right, and well, I can easily imagine the dev's incorporating it into the official version, with maps and names of the various tracks.

In the end, do you want it to be successful and fully implemented ?

[Tweaker]

-1 :shrug:

For any other "first" corner thats true, but NOT for Blackwood GP "T1". It is most likely the oldest named corner in LFS. It is also the FIRST corner, everyone new to LFS sees when entering the game. I for myself remember calling it "T1" since somewhere around 2003. :nod:
It isn't the oldest name corner, it is just the corner number! Whatever happened to, "uh oh, what's going to happen in Turn 2?"... That's something that people do wrong even at South City Classic. TURN 1 is when you go under the bridge, yet they call Turn 2 (the hairpin), Turn 1... that is wrong. These are just simple reference numbers like you have with any track.

It's just that LFS'ers are so clouded with calling the 1st troublesome turn "Turn 1", we can't think of anything better. It's stupid. Any corner that people expect starts to be a disaster in is "Turn 1", even if it isn't the first turn.

Now, again... people can still call it Blackwood Turn 1, but it should still have a name. We can have Fern Bay Club's Turn 1, Or Westhill's Turn 1, people will ALL still call it that, but it STILL could have a proper name given to it. LFS'ers will never stop calling the first corner "T1", and that isn't wrong... it's like saying the 3rd corner at Westhill is Turn 3. But when you use actual corner names to have a bit of creativity... once people start calling those corners by their given name, it will become so common that people probably won't be saying "Turn 5" or "That one turn that is before the bridge".

[filur]

In the end, do you want it to be successful and fully implemented ?
The way i see the results of this thing being used is something like pretty track maps with the "winning" names being stored somewhere, at the Wiki perhaps, along with a bit of text explaining where the maps and names came from. I don't think the names will be added to the game.

From my point of view the current system has been extremely successful, approaching a thousand suggested names and already over 10,000 votes.

I also sort of have an idea of how to wrap things up, i've been thinking about dropping all but the top 2 or 3 names for each corner, disabling new suggestions and letting everyone vote a second time, one track at a time would work good at this point along with any needed discussions / polls on the forum. Gathering suggestions will stay just as it is, all tracks at once.

There is no need for immediate results, after all.
While the results will be "finalized" for this project, there's nothing stopping people from continuing without the website, i'm sure there's atleast a few pretty decent suggestions you could carry over to a new project, if you'd want to. It's just a big idea collector, use the ideas for whatever you want.

[Tweaker]

There just isn't much collaboration with the way it is setup now. You are only allowed one name suggestion, and you cannot change your votes or anything.

I still wish we'd do one track at a time, have a big list of name suggestions, AND be allowed to comment on certain names. It's the only way to let people understand the purpose or idea behind a name.

I mean "Seaview Bend" on Fern Bay is just wrong. It's not a Sea, it's a bay where this turn is. Someone had also put "Sandy Beach Chicane" where there is no chicane.... I named that area "The Dunes" which some people seem to agree on, and that fits the look of the sandtrap, and also the idea behind what a beach has a bit inland... "dunes". Perfect.

This is the reason why I feel we need to discuss corners and have more of an agreement and collaboration with the entire community. It's no good being left with just one suggestion and not writing A BUNCH of ideas on paper. You won't get very far (or get very good results) if you don't let your ideas expand.

[filur]

You won't get very far (or get very good results) if you don't let your ideas expand.
Thing is we're not trying to get "very far", the purpose (at this point) is not to slowly gather the final names on which everyone agrees, the idea is to see if this has any chance of working whatsoever. For this purpose, the results are already very good.

As i posted earlier there will probably be atleast one more "phase" of the project, in which we'll probably do things a bit differently.

[Tweaker]

One thing I do think you should have though is some sort of "Recent Submissions" so you can stay up-to-date one what people are submitting and vote on the submission.

AND, have something so you can make sure you've voted for all the submissions possible. So I guess a way to check if you still need to vote for a corner. This way everyone's submissions will get enough votes and nothing will go unseen. Because going through each corner/track is a tedious task for most, and not everyone will want to keep clicking through each config for a while. It seems only the ones that really have the time will want to contribute the most :). But this feature suggestion would help I think.

[Gunn]

I mean "Seaview Bend" on Fern Bay is just wrong. It's not a Sea, it's a bay where this turn is. But if you look out over the bay you can see the sea, see? :D I voted dunes anyhow.

Yes many people don't seem to understand what a chicane or esses are. You need more than one turn to make an "ess" and small esses are not neccessarily chicanes. All sharp turns are not hairpins.

I agree that a collaborative phase is necessary if you want to achieve some sort of quality consensus.

[filur]

Another small update, a "withdraw this suggestion" (delete) should appear in the "Your suggestion" box if ...

Your suggestion has no positive votes ("undo").
Your suggestion has a score of -5 or lower ("i've got a better one").
... have something so you can make sure you've voted for all the submissions possible.
The "auto" browser will tell you if there's nothing left to vote on, i'll add a better way if i can figure one out. :)

[Tweaker]

Another small update, a "withdraw this suggestion" (delete) should appear in the "Your suggestion" box if ...
Your suggestion has no positive votes ("undo").
Your suggestion has a score of -5 or lower ("i've got a better one").[/quote]Ok cool :)

The "auto" browser will tell you if there's nothing left to vote on, i'll add a better way if i can figure one out. :)
Ahh, hadn't used that. The navigation is still kind of limited to only one direction, so I haven't seen every single page probably :) One thing I'd suggest for this though is to make the map zoomed out a little bit more than it is now so people can quickly identify where the corner is and what track it is. For those who don't remember the tracks by heart, this would be useful. Yes yes, there is the option to view the map or corner, but to make it quick, maybe have it zoomed out a little bit more to help with identification. Example attached below: (and when I clicked on Map, it wouldn't show corner S)

LOL, just had a laugh at someone's suggestion of "Eau Screw" :D

[Gunn]

Trying to delete an entry:

XML Parsing Error: no element found

[filur]

Trying to delete an entry:

XML Parsing Error: no element found

Fixed, i think.

[5th Earth]

Interesting to see that some people already have the same ideas for corner names that I do... I was suprised to see I'm not the only one that calls the SO classic chicane the "bus stop", and Aston's "Boomerang"
was exactly what I was going to suggest, but it was already at the top of the list. :scratchch

[Victor]

just noting that the link is down it seems. Will it be back up again? (since there also is a rotating banner at the top of the page, which currently leads to a dead page)

[Scawen]

It's back up again :up:

[Linsen]

Okay, people, devs are watching, we've got to come up with some cool names and maybe ... ;)

[felplacerad]

HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The site has been updated, upon popular demand we added a few straights devotedly suggested by our beloved tweak. Furthermore the previously neglected aston hairpin (http://flp.c0m.se/corners/corner/24/271) has made its decision to appear among the other corners making aston north.

We'll give you roughly another week to vote and suggest before we move on to the next phase (we are not sure what the next phase is, but we'll come up with something).

http://flp.c0m.se/corners/

[Nard]

Woot

[filur]

We have now initiated phase two. :)


No longer taking suggestions, only the top 2 suggestions for each corner remain.
Everyone is free to vote once for each suggestion, even if you've already voted.
Votes are logged per IP, you don't need to register or log in.

http://flp.c0m.se/corners/, or go straight to the autobrowser (http://flp.c0m.se/corners/auto).

Voting will be open until 11:00 GMT on Tuesday the 23rd.

[Bob Smith]

What happens when both suggestions are rubbish? :(

Too many people seem to think the corner name need reflect it's shape or what goes on there.

Blackwood Turn G is the world though, it seems a crap name managed to get the top two spots.

I blame myself for not trying to be more inventive.

[filur]

What happens when both suggestions are rubbish? :(
We'll introduce some thought / discussion when this pass is done. :)

[felplacerad]

:wave:

hello!

[BurnOut69]

Good stuff!! I'm starting to like pie too :)

[felplacerad]

23 hours to go!

[Nard]

Weeeee! The only suggestion of mine that's losing is Fern Thicket :( I loved that name

[Linsen]

Weeeee! The only suggestion of mine that's losing is Fern Thicket :( I loved that name
And all your other suggestions are winning? You should surely become an ad writer, then -- or are you one?

All my suggestions are loosing. Even the one I had the highest hopes about is only a distant second atm (probably should have gone for "barrel roll "instead of "somersault" :tilt:).

Anyway, will be interesting to see which of the names will acutally stick (and if they will become official names in the future).

[KartRacer]

I think people may be forgetting why corners have names. Many tracks have only one or two corners that go by an actual name. The History behind a corner and/or its surrounding landmarks tend to be what makes names memorable. LFS has neither, the history isnt there, we cannot name a corner after someone who lost their life there, someone who won/lost a world championship there, a family's house, a street corner etc etc etc.

Maybe there should be a vote on which corners get specific names, because after all if we name every dam* thing on the track, what makes the name special anymore?

[Meanie]

I think people may be forgetting why corners have names. Many tracks have only one or two corners that go by an actual name. The History behind a corner and/or its surrounding landmarks tend to be what makes names memorable. LFS has neither, the history isnt there, we cannot name a corner after someone who lost their life there, someone who won/lost a world championship there, a family's house, a street corner etc etc etc.

Maybe there should be a vote on which corners get specific names, because after all if we name every dam* thing on the track, what makes the name special anymore?

This man got a pretty good point. :thumb:

But... i think it's all "in jest" this whole corners naming thing? Right?
Just to have some laughs on its expense.
That's what i did make about it anyway.

Sorry if i'm wrong.

[KartRacer]

Yes, you're right :nod:

The naming of all corners is quite entertaining. I had a laugh looking through them.

I just find it hard to see myself thinking of corners in LFS by name, without any backround.

[Gunn]

Looking at the choice of two names for each corner I can see that this was a waste of time. Almost all of the names suggested are poor and some are just rediculous. Randomly drawing the names of fruit and vegetables out of a hat would have yielded better results.

[Tweaker]

Looking at the choice of two names for each corner I can see that this was a waste of time. Almost all of the names suggested are poor and some are just rediculous. Randomly drawing the names of fruit and vegetables out of a hat would have yielded better results.
I agree.

This idea is becoming less of a collaboration of ideas, and more just of a voting game that is really lopsided in my opinion. Many great and meaningful ideas are put down and a strange alternative is usually put in its place.

I still think that if the community wants to participate in this, you need to do 1 track at a time (specifically 1 config), have a voting system for a large list of suggested names (some would be filtered by admins), and then have a COMMENTs system for each corner. I asked for a comments system before, and it has been declined numerous times... but why? That direction is the complete opposite to what I thought this was trying to achieve. :doh: You cannot explain the idea behind the name of the corner you give, and nobody will understand it... aka give you a negative vote. When you do one track at a time, and make sure everyone has thought the names through for each corner and straight, you can move on to the next. Otherwise you get people throwing out the same names for corners on many tracks, as well as just coming up with ideas that don't really show any effort to make the tracks 'believable'.

I've stopped any of my suggestions simply for the fact that I've wasted my time on thinking of ideas, because along with other people's good names, they just get tanked and it just goes to show that there is no real control over what is chosen.

[Hyperactive]

How many Parabolicas are there at the moment? :D

[SamH]

It was always set out to be an experiment and I think it's a step in the right direction. At least now there are names for corners where once there were none. Even if you don't like the name of a corner, it doesn't take much explaining to identify the one you're talking about any more.

I've enjoyed taking part in the project, personally. I suggested names for almost all corners, and had some fun (and some eye-strain) coming up with pertinent names. A comments field would have helped qualify each suggestion, but I recognise it was always just an experiment and a nicely coded one.

Perhaps phase 3 will come, and we'll have the opportunity to question names and propose better ones.. and those we don't care to name will still at least have the names they have now, if we want to use them. :)

[Gunn]

Perhaps phase 3 will come....I'm already deep into phase 4: the rejection stage.

[filur]

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=286851#post286851

[SamH]

I've long yearned to have names for corners. I don't need to LIKE the name.. I just need to be able to refer to it. Some of the names are well-qualified, some aren't so well thought-out.. but they're generated by the community and I like that. Corner names become corner names because people refer to them by name, over time. Without this project, we'd still have nothing to refer to.

It's an awful lot easier than saying "that difficult bit, yanno? With the tyres on the inside where if you get your wheels dirty you're screwed for the next really sharp corner.. oh you know.. on Aston Grand Prix.. oh wait, is it Aston North? One of them, anyway... it's definitely on Cadet, I'm sure.."

When I say "Eau Rouge", most of the people I know, know immediately which corner I'm referring to. If I say "Corkscrew" or "Dipper", everyone else does too.

I support the effort is, I guess, what I'm saying. It's a first-time out, and so naturally it's not going to be right, right out of the box.. but the idea is sound and I think the motivation is good.

[felplacerad]

Thanks for the comments everyone, it really motivates us to keep going :thumb:

I suppose this thread can be unstickied until we enter phase 3.

[Kostek]

I have totally forgotten about phase 2. Any chance to see it's results?


And btw, when can we expect the opening of phase 3 (I'm not asking for a date, just estimates)?

[orange_boy_uk]

Nice

[NeilPearson]

What ever happend to this project?

[HVS5b]

Dunno dude, the website has been closed :shrug:

[Dajmin]

It was widely agreed to be a waste of time, and as such everyone just lost interest. No point using up the bandwidth to host the site if nobody uses it. I think if the STCC folks hadn't already named most of the corners themselves it may have done better :)

And of course some of the more popular ideas were crap. "T1" is a description, not a name :p

[Hyperactive]

It was widely agreed to be a waste of time, and as such everyone just lost interest.

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To put it better it wasn't waste of time! It was the people who were putting stupid corner names into the system. As a whole what was done was good effort and it is a bit sad that it didn't work in the end. Maybe the system could have been better, or maybe something else.

[SamH]

I was really enthusiastic about the project, but it turned out that I was in the minority. Becky and I put the STCC names in and some of them stuck, some didn't. If the project had succeeded, we would have used the names in here in the STCC broadcasts for the tracks we hadn't already filmed.

The project was good, IMO, because it would have reinforced the "soul" of LFS tracks, and corners would be known by their names in exactly the way that real track corners and straights become named - acceptance over time. I was sad to see the project die, tbh, and I wanted FEL and filur to publish the results on the LFS Wiki. Minority view, tho, and I can't argue with democracy ;)

To put it better it wasn't waste of time! It was the people who were putting stupid corner names into the system. As a whole what was done was good effort and it is a bit sad that it didn't work in the end. Maybe the system could have been better, or maybe something else.
I think if it'd been allowed to run, it would have succeeded in time. Unfortunately it was poo-poohed by a vocal minority, IMO, who didn't "see the point". FEL and filur made the mistake of listening to the vocal minority, and pulled it before its time. Genuinely my feeling on it.

[james12s]

i think the naming was excellent, comon some haven completly stuck, mainly because they were used in just a few times in the broadcast, but some that got alot of attencion during the race like eu rouge(sp) have stuck, which i think is significant cos if they dont get alot of attencion then people wont remember.

[Dajmin]

I think it was a good idea as well. It'd be nice to know exactly what corner someone means when they used it's name. And knowing Scawen they'd probably have been worked into LFS at some point :)

I didn't realise it wasn't that many people who were complaining about it though. Shame it fell apart after that then.

[james12s]

yeach cos like if someone says turn 1 it could be the under pass they mean or the next corner and also in translation from different languages it can get really complicated SCAWEN WE NEED OFFICIAL CORNER NAMES

[SamH]

Calm down, James ;)

Maybe in the future, FEL and filur will relaunch the project. It was closed before more than a couple hundred people had participated, but we have a community of many thousands. Maybe it's like a cult film that never took off at the start, and later becomes recognised for the value it had. That's the way of the lore.

[james12s]

the captiols wernt shouting they were more a point, i put them in capitals so it look as if im callnig him across the forum lol