Would you pay for a real life track? [Archive]

Hyperactive

29th November 2006, 23:27

A poll and a short question:

Would you pay 5€ or 10€ to have one of these in LFS*:
Mosport (http://www.etracksonline.co.uk/NAmerica/Canada/mosport.html) In-car (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsNWZD25NjI)
Laguna Seca (http://www.travelplaces.co.uk/mr-a1-circuits-laguna-seca.htm) In-car (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxgDzoM5VaU)
Bathurst (http://www.gdecarli.it/Circuiti/AUS/AUS%20Bathurst.htm) In-car (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTqBHtnB7AA)

Or would you pay 20€ for the Nürburgring Nordschleife (http://www.team-tschauder.de/nring/n-ring1.htm)? in-car (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2990770163894389660&q=nurburgring)

Vote accordingly. Let's think that it would be just this simple. No need to think about online compatiblity or anything else, just clear questions :)

*All the prices are based on my imagination.

arguru

29th November 2006, 23:34

I would be paying +20 euros for "Spa" track add-on.

wheel4hummer

29th November 2006, 23:36

Yes.

Rooble

30th November 2006, 00:25

Spa? :pillepall

Nürburgring!!!!:D:nod::thumb:

tombarlin

30th November 2006, 00:48

DONNIGTON PARK :thumb: :D :thumb: :D

speedfreak227

30th November 2006, 01:51

I'm not a big fan of spa, donnington, or laguna seca. personally I like Interlagos and the Hungaroring.

But rather than pay for real tracks I'd rather just hold out for S3 and get more LFS tracks. I enjoy what they've made for us.

speedfreak227

ATC Quicksilver

30th November 2006, 01:52

I would pay for...

Isle of Man TT course
Macau
Thruxton
Turkish F1 Track (forgot its name)
and any kind of rally stage

However i would give my left love nut for a full open city...long shot i know

Renku

30th November 2006, 02:06

Nothing!
You want real life tracks? Go play rFactor!

Boris Lozac

30th November 2006, 02:08

Yes i would pay for anything that community agrees on. My favorites are: Nordschleife, Spa, Brands hatch, whatever actually.
I can't describe how much would i want to have one real track, then to see LFS gets modable...
One real track and a car per half a year for example, payable like 10 euros, or whatever.. That would be great..

But of course, i totally enjoy LFS tracks, and i dream of the day, when some rich saudi arabian kid cries his father to make him a track like that in a game... aaaa... sweet dreams.. :)

Blas89

30th November 2006, 02:15

Guilles villenueve circuit.. and Nürburgring Nordschleife:thumb::scratchch

Flycantbird

30th November 2006, 02:16

No, I don't have any interest in having 'real tracks'.

The LFS tracks are fine ( great, in fact), there just aren't enough of them...yet.

Berseker_d

30th November 2006, 02:20

Of course, 30€ and 40€ :thumb:

Tweaker

30th November 2006, 02:28

Laguna Seca and Nurb... that's all I would ever need to last me years and years of enjoyment :) :up:

I seriously want to try and get some connections with Laguna Seca and see if it can happen with LFS. I live not far from it, and go there quite often. I don't know who to contact, or what to do about it. But I DO know that the developers need to see the track themselves for data and accuracy (Eric would - and has said this himself). Unless they can get a plethora of data and reference pictures/videos, then I only think it could be possible. It is a lot of work to recreate a track I think... maybe even harder than making your own fantasy one.

Boris Lozac

30th November 2006, 02:35

It is a lot of work to recreate a track I think... maybe even harder than making your own fantasy one.

Sure it is... You have to make everything almost perfect, so there are no time differences when comparing to real life. I think it is really hard to do. That's why i would pay extra for Eric to do that eventually, hard work deserves to be paid. :)

Blas89

30th November 2006, 02:36

JJ72

30th November 2006, 03:10

for me, around 20GBP for a nicely done track is ideal.

farcar

30th November 2006, 03:12

I probably would pay, but voted for the 'not interested' option, as lack of real tracks does not affect my views on this game at all. In fact I think it has some benfits.

As I've said before, I would be just as happy for Eric to make tracks in the style of their real life counterparts as I would for the real thing. i.e. if he made a long, windy 24km track with a big straight at the end instead of the real Nordschleife.
It matters little to me if the corners are the same or not (I just want a difficult long track!). Eric would do a great job anyway.

Having non-real replica tracks would also save the inevitable bickering about the accuracy of the physics, when people work out how to do impossibly fast times compared to real life. :nod:

Blowtus

30th November 2006, 03:27

agree with farcar. some tracks with reasonable elevation change would be great (bathurst :)) and if I had to pay I would, but I'd be just as happy for well designed sim tracks.

Hyperactive

30th November 2006, 03:37

Nothing!
You want real life tracks? Go play rFactor!
Nevah.
Laguna Seca and Nurb... that's all I would ever need to last me years and years of enjoyment :) :up:

I seriously want to try and get some connections with Laguna Seca and see if it can happen with LFS. I live not far from it, and go there quite often. I don't know who to contact, or what to do about it. But I DO know that the developers need to see the track themselves for data and accuracy (Eric would - and has said this himself). Unless they can get a plethora of data and reference pictures/videos, then I only think it could be possible. It is a lot of work to recreate a track I think... maybe even harder than making your own fantasy one.
There is certainly something strange about those 2 tracks. I have both, Laguna in 2 or three versions, for GPL and every time I load GPL I just can't help myself taking a spin around 'seca. I certainly wish you all the luck with your efforts :)
As I've said before, I would be just as happy for Eric to make tracks in the style of their real life counterparts as I would for the real thing. i.e. if he made a long, windy 24km track with a big straight at the end instead of the real Nordschleife.
It matters little to me if the corners are the same or not (I just want a difficult long track!). Eric would do a great job anyway.
The problem with anything over 20km long and not-Nürburgring would be the single fact that it would not be the Nürburgring. I feel that the major part of the 'ring's magic is because of its legendary history. It's kind of a pinnacle of ultimate driver's challenge, there are other and have been similar tracks but none of them share the same passion and glory. It would just be a 20km track, a long fantasy track.

Nard

30th November 2006, 03:52

The problem with anything over 20km long and not-Nürburgring would be the single fact that it would not be the Nürburgring. I feel that the major part of the 'ring's magic is because of its legendary history.

Just for this exact reason, the only track I would actually want to see in LFS is the Nurb, even if I have some kind of connection with the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve and I love the place, it's just another track, whereas the Nurb is a legend.

farcar

30th November 2006, 04:15

The problem with anything over 20km long and not-Nürburgring would be the single fact that it would not be the Nürburgring. I feel that the major part of the 'ring's magic is because of its legendary history. It's kind of a pinnacle of ultimate driver's challenge, there are other and have been similar tracks but none of them share the same passion and glory. It would just be a 20km track, a long fantasy track.

You're right, it's a special bit of road. I just think that Eric is such a great track maker, that he could do a great 'impression' of it.
Anyway, I cringe at the thought of physics trolls (new term) bitching about how unrealistic it is if it was ever made.

Arrow.

30th November 2006, 04:20

Ill pay $100 for bathurst with V8 supercars :thumb:

I payed $100 for v8 supercars 3 and it was very dissappointing, im sure the lfs dev could do much better :nod:

aoun

30th November 2006, 04:28

Agree with Arrow!

Would pay up to $25AUD for (each):

-Spa
-Bathurst
-Nurburgring
-Laguna Seca

Panda

30th November 2006, 04:43

Nürburgring, Bathurst, or any other track with lots of elevation changes. that would be amazing. id definitly pay.

aoun

30th November 2006, 04:47

also agree :). Devs, please consider this :).

Michael Denham

30th November 2006, 04:52

If the Nurburgring was offered for LFS, I would pay whatever they charge. However, I think with such a small community and limited resources, I think the devs would have trouble justifying spending the time and money required to do something like this as well as they would like. I would love to see it, but I don't know that it would make sense for them.

mpn89

30th November 2006, 05:02

The one problem with charging for tracks would be that there wouldn't ever be enough buyers to make the online racing any good.

I have no idea what licencing issues are like for tracks, but you'd think some less-famous tracks could be willing to let if happen even for free? For example Johor in Malaysia ( used to host MotoGP ), Bira Circuit in Thailand ( great for XFG and other slower cars in LFS :) ), the many smaller tracks in Europe as well. Just a thought.

Glenn67

30th November 2006, 05:11

I'd pay $200 for bathurst :p
I know, I know its just a track :pillepall

NotAnIllusion

30th November 2006, 05:30

I'd pay for Bathurst. It's not too long to have pick-up races on, unlike Nordschleife. :p

aoun

30th November 2006, 05:33

Imagian the MRT on Bathurst, comon! ill up it to a 100$ AUD chip in! :D.

sgt.flippy

30th November 2006, 05:36

I'm happy with the track we got. And if they would add new tracks, I don't really care if it's a famous track or imaginative. I like the tracks so far, so I don't see the point in paying for an existing track (that has to be rebuild perfectly, otherwise it would probably be shot half dead after few months of release), while we could have fictive tracks, that are evenly great or even more so.

96 GTS

30th November 2006, 05:38

I'd gladly pay $25 for the Nurburgring. I know Eric could make a track similar to it, and I hope he does if we don't get the 'ring. But the Nurburgring is so legendary, I'd love to race it.

Enforcer-J

30th November 2006, 06:42

Spa? Nurburgring? Laguna Seca? Bathurst? Blah.

been there, done that..... and with the current crop of LFS cars half of them wont get any use out of these big long boring tracks anyway. :x
Or maybe rfactor's physics have put me off these tracks?

Anyway, bring on the short sharp and shiny tracks, thats where the funs at :)

aoun

30th November 2006, 06:56

Nah i reckon they would be fun to drive on lfs.. :)

N I K I

30th November 2006, 07:13

Im poor but I think I could got 5-10 Euros for a real track, but the problem is that not one of these are I am not interested in:scratchch

SPA would be great to see, Long Nutburgring is too long and hmmmm to narrow, Bathurst is Autstralian track and Im not so much in to Australiand motosport, but stell I whatched Highlits from V8 Australia Bathurst. It realy nice track. Im never, ever whatched anything from Laguna Seca and Motosport park!!! Laguna S. is USA track, but where the hell is Motosport park?

SPA is best track on the Earth saes F1 drivers and I belive them. I was driving on it in GTR and GTR 2 and its totaly fun (Our ruse) firs corner, that you must know how to pass FLAT OUT and got superb top speed:nod:

So please add SPA!!! :thumb:
Oh new version whit new bus stop chicane :D

NotAnIllusion

30th November 2006, 07:19

Spa is long, and has 1 interesting corner :p; Nurby Nordy is a beast, and with its length perhaps too much one to be popular; Laguna Seca has 1 interesting corner as well; Bathurst, well, it does have a looong straight but the rest is elevation changes, brilliant corners and it was fun even with GTL/GTR2 :nod:

aoun

30th November 2006, 07:20

I perfer spa without the bustop, mehh its all good! :).

N I K I

30th November 2006, 07:21

spa has one interestng corner, but for me every corner on spa is intrestiong, herpin, chicane, and middle part of track, and extremly fast corner before chicane (can't remember the name now):tilt:

So we won SPA vote!!!! :thumb:

N I K I

30th November 2006, 07:23

And one more thing, spa is not too long, look at the long of

AS grand prix, that is looooooooong :D
My favortir LFS track AS gp. Damn I got no one HL in there, dont have a time now for that track, maybe later:shrug:

farcar

30th November 2006, 07:32

Nurby Nordy is a beast, and with its length perhaps too much one to be popular;

I'd be happy just to lap a long interesting track on my own. Actually, that's the only big thing missing from LFS at the moment. None of the tracks are suited to a good, challenging offline drive.

AndroidXP

30th November 2006, 07:51

Shelling out 20€ for the mother of tracks? Why not!

Even though races will probably never succeed on that track, it would at least be a HUGE advertisement for LFS. :nod:

kaleos

30th November 2006, 07:58

vote Nordschlaife :nod:

kamo2000

30th November 2006, 08:03

6th option for me....why i see some people voted for first 4 options? i though u can vote only once?

edit: sry i'm stupid :P

traxxion

30th November 2006, 08:05

Voted Laguna Seca and Nordschleife. Miss Spa in the list though :)

lesmes

30th November 2006, 08:23

Spa
Nurburgring
Brands Hatch
Jarama
Monza
Barthust
Laguna Seca
Indianapolis
Le Mans Sarthe
Monaco
...
5 € each, would be great.

tristancliffe

30th November 2006, 08:29

I'd like Spa and Brands. About £20 each seems about right.

I think having the Nurburgring would be the biggest mistake in LFS's history. No one would race on it. People struggle (and I mean people in this thread I've raced with too) to do a lap of Aston Club with 5 seconds of the WR in the easiest car in the game (FOX), so what hope do they have of doing a SINGLE lap of Nurburgring in their life times. It would just be so boring.

AndroidXP

30th November 2006, 08:33

Well, yeah it would probably only be used for hotlapping and as a novelty feature, but "biggest mistake in LFS history"? Can't see how adding a track that would very likely boost sales quite massively can be that much of a mistake. Unless you hate new people, that is ;)

Taavi(EST)

30th November 2006, 08:34

20€ for Nürburgring Nordschleife sounds great to me :thumb:

tristancliffe

30th November 2006, 08:36

AndroidXP

30th November 2006, 08:38

Yes, but these will level off too, leaving us with Nürburgring and the devs with £££.

CSU1

30th November 2006, 08:45

New people who like LFS is great. But masses of new people who want to 'drive the nurburgring in mi car innit, wicked, why is LFS go no real cars and why is it that i is spinninz when i press de pedalzs' are something I don't want.

The Sauber caused a bit of that, and is one of the reasons I don't drive it, and the Nurburgring would be worse!

OT: Thats the wrong way to go on about the BF1, thats one very tricky machine to drive and VERY exciting....flam away...flame away, but on KY_Oval with 19 other cars:) its the clesest thing to Nascar LFS has...and for that reason I love it although as you say the general mass of people who seem to like it are those of the Drifting sort, but I love the BF1:)
]So stop slaggin it...its lovely:)
I voted not to pay>not interested in paying "that" kind of money.

SabersKunk

30th November 2006, 09:07

Knockhill! :)

JJ72

30th November 2006, 09:14

even if we have to deal with 10 more demo crackers and noobs a day I don't care, I just have to have the ring. :p

Robster230

30th November 2006, 09:21

Brands for me!

SchneeFee

30th November 2006, 09:32

I'd love to see Nordschleife in LFS, but i doubt it ll provide us very tight racing - most ppl cant even race prober an KYGP.:shrug:

AndyC

30th November 2006, 09:39

The LFS tracks are fantastic, but I would certainly pay a small fortune for a real track like Donnington or any other for that matter!

creativesurgeon

30th November 2006, 09:45

Nordschleife is the only circuit in that list worth any extra moolah.

farcar

30th November 2006, 09:46

I'd love to see Nordschleife in LFS, but i doubt it ll provide us very tight racing - most ppl cant even race prober an KYGP.:shrug:

You are right, Nordschleife would be about the driving and not the racing. Nothing wrong with that though.

It would give the game more value offline.

Aegilops

30th November 2006, 09:48

Big thumbs up for me for Nordschleife. But how about also doing the Sudschleife (http://sudschleife.8200rpm.com/track.htm) and of course joining the two together for surely the ultimate racing experience - the 28km long Gesamtstrecke:

had three different loops: the Nordschleife (the Northern loop), which was by far the largest with a lenght of 22.810 kms, the smaller Südschleife (Southern loop), 7.747 kms, and, in the middle, the Start und Ziel Schleife (start and finish loop) of 2.238 kms. It was also possible to combine these three loops to form one giant track, the [I]Gesamtstrecke, which measured an astonishing 28.265 kilometres. All of the first races on the Nürburg-Ring were held on the latter track. Chiron (Bugatti) drove a lap on the Gesamtstrecke in 15.06,02 minutes (112,31 km/h) in 1929
(emphasis mine) From: http://sudschleife.8200rpm.com/history.htm#1927

Also while we are in crazy fantasy-land-ain't-ever-gonna-happen mode, how about the Stelvio Pass (http://www.mgccyorkshire.co.uk/images/P1010147.JPG)?

But even more extreme than this would be the infamous and deadly Chaloos Highway. This road leads from Tehran to Chaloos over the Alborz Mountains and is a three hour drive of wicked switchbacks, hairpins and breathtaking scenery - embellished with the evidence of recent accidents where drivers have plunged to their doom down the mountain side.

(picture (http://www.tehran24.com/tehran/photos/template.cfm?image=030530-32&size=L) picture (http://www.tehran24.com/tehran/photos/template.cfm?image=030530-34&size=L) picture (http://www.tehran24.com/tehran/photos/template.cfm?image=030530-48&size=L) picture (http://www.usefilm.com/image/1109892.html))

Cheers

Rakhsh

Meanie

30th November 2006, 09:49

I would GLADLY pay for NEW TRACKS.

Either real or fantasy ones.
As longs as they keep the quality that we're used to. :thumb:

aoun

30th November 2006, 09:55

With Meanie all the way!!!

Gentlefoot

30th November 2006, 10:20

Here are my favourite tracks which obviously I would love to see in LFS. Sure, it'll probably never happen:

Cadwell Park
Oulton Park
Nordschleiffe
Laguna Seca
Suzuka
Spa
Bathurst

Hyperactive

30th November 2006, 10:25

I'm a bit surprized about the results so far. Especially about that people would actually pay 20£ or even more to get the ring in LFS. I know that I don't really like the 'ring but I would still pay up to 40€ to get it into LFS. Simply for what the track is. Driving XRR around the 'ring, mmmhh...

The 'ring itself is quite interesting question, to have it or not? It's long, hard, hard and long bumpy track. After 50 laps you can barely remember the corners and after 100 you are still guessing. It is hard. It would be almost unusable for pickup races and even for league races it really can't offer anything special than itself, a driver's challenge. 20 cars is just way too little for the monster, even with 40 cars you can have a lonely race. And the track is also expensive. Very. But at the same time it is the track that every racing sim enthusiast wants to drive. Would it sell more copies of LFS? Probably. Would it be worth the immensive work and the risk? I guess no one can tell. Simple math tells that if the rights costs about 35,000€, you would need to sell 1750 licenses for it. It doesn't sound much, but at the same time it delays everything else. And the 35k is not even all the expenses.

And at the same time you could have maybe 2 other real life tracks with the same costs and in shorter time. The 'ring would not be just an addon, it would be a sacrifice.

---
@Kev
I disagree with the splitting the community idea because I think that there is no people to split. Those people who don't buy the xxx track wouldn't probably even be interested driving it.

Dajmin

30th November 2006, 10:38

Even if the 'ring was added, nobody would drive on it. It's way longer than anything we have now, and nobody races on the long tracks we have now. Just because it's real doesn't mean anyone will use it.

Also, with any tracks that require an extra payment, we have an even bigger divide in the game than we have now. People who can't afford (or don't want) to pay for it end up feeling like they're missing out and are therefor more likely to stop playing.
Then we end up with less players in general and those of us who wouldn't pay but would continue to play would find it even harder to get a decent race on a full grid.

I think anything that segregates the community is a bad thing. I think it was Becky Rose who suggested more short to medium length courses, and that's what I'd like to see. Included in the license price, or as a free mod. At least that way we'd see people on them.
And an alternative to the endless Aston National / GTR combo servers.

JJ72

30th November 2006, 10:51

I think paying for add-on tracks, generally, is a bad idea. It would split the community.

Plus, as I think has been said before: What's the point in real tracks when we have fake cars?

for me, the GTT is the GTT, it's a real car for me cos it drives like a proper car, same goes to any other cars in LFS. And I would love to drive the GTT on real tracks because some tracks are indeed really good. :D I wouldn't be arsed if you make me mickey mouse hockenham, But I will surely bone the ring even if you have to rename it into something like "the very long and famous race track will killed tens of race drivers GP".

historic value is a plus, but not a must.

mr_x

30th November 2006, 11:04

I wouldn't mind seeing Croft (http://www.croftcircuit.co.uk/circfac.php) It's the closest track to me, and often produces some of the best racing in the BTCC (apart from Knockhill (http://www.knockhill.com/images_new/circuitmap.jpg), which I wouldn't mind in LFS either by the way). Both tracks wouldn't have high licencing costs either, as they aren't too well known by anyone outside the UK :P

Vultureke

30th November 2006, 11:13

Spa
Macau
Brands Hatch (both layouts)
Zandvoort
and a lot of other good tracks....

It would be very nice to have real life tracks.
A track creator should be released + a community website like Rfactorcentral should be setup

Rfactorcentral proves it is possible to work without having 100's of the same tracks.

NotAnIllusion

30th November 2006, 11:14

tracks that require an extra payment
What I understood as "paying" for a track was factoring it in to the price of the game that everyone would have to pay, not as paid-for additional content. If it was extra content, no, I wouldn't pay.

@Kev: There is a clear difference, for me anyway. Cars will never feel "real" , for me, I can't tell it's that real life car I'm driving unless I'm actually in it. Tracks though, can be made very realistic and because their realism doesn't depend on "physics" the same way as cars, it's IMO possible to feel I'm driving a kick-butt car in this and this location. There's always the chill-factor of being able to drive on "legendary" tracks, it's the history behind them that make them so appealing.

XRRoy

30th November 2006, 11:22

Laguna Seca
Bathurst
Nordschleife

please give us these tracks :D

AndroidXP

30th November 2006, 11:27

I understood it neither as "everyone must pay" nor as "pay-for-content". Merely as a "who would chip in money to get track XYZ into S2". Personally I wouldn't mind that at all if other S2 licensed players who haven't paid get the track, too. :shrug:

squidhead

30th November 2006, 11:28

Nordschleife!!! :thumb:
also...I would pay for an airport track (good for autocrossing}
and a Gravel (dirt) analog of a skidpad... (also good for autocrossing)

W1LLSD4D

30th November 2006, 11:33

I actually think LFS benefits by not being tied down to 'reality' when it comes to track design so have ticked 'not interested.'

Anyway, GPL has the Nurburgring :x

Flycantbird

30th November 2006, 11:50

Once you introduce 'pay tracks', you start splintering LFS up, which isn't good for the game, or the players.

I suppose once the dev's declare their work done, with S3 final, and release the tools or rights for mods, the game will be free to disintigrate.

In the meantime, the game is great without real tracks, and will continue to be for X years

sinbad

30th November 2006, 11:59

Of course I'd love the real things, but what I'd like almost as much are more fictional tracks. I bet Eric could do a narrow, hilly, bumpy, long, Nordschleife-alike track real justice, and make it so that there are various shorter configurations also, which would make it more usable by LFS online players on a daily basis (something you couldn't neccessarily do with the real thing).
It might not have the kudos of the real thing, but I'd certainly still enjoy driving it.

zurdospeed

30th November 2006, 12:04

I dont know when (and for now I don`t really care), but all I know is that I wont die without driving the Nordschleife/Nürburgring in LFS

nikimere

30th November 2006, 12:06

I seriously want to try and get some connections with Laguna Seca and see if it can happen with LFS. I live not far from it, and go there quite often. I don't know who to contact, or what to do about it. But I DO know that the developers need to see the track themselves for data and accuracy (Eric would - and has said this himself). Unless they can get a plethora of data and reference pictures/videos, then I only think it could be possible. It is a lot of work to recreate a track I think... maybe even harder than making your own fantasy one.
I have seuggested to the Devs about adding Mondello Park (Irish track, its in GT Legends) before. I know the owners and i have been told by them there would be no problem in adding this track for free (maybe in exchange for some free licences for Mondello to use). I even offered to go and take all the pictures and video needed. But the Devs didn't take up my offer. :shrug:
I know it's no nurburgring or leguna but it is a pretty good track and has some nice corner combo's and has some great overtaking places.

Blackout

30th November 2006, 12:10

Real tracks must be very time consuming and hard to make and it must be accurate or there will be endless moaning how things should be. I would like to see some real track, and could pay for them, but I doubt it will happen. If it never happens is hard to tell, but not very soon.

Hyperactive

30th November 2006, 12:47

And that creates a split - haves and have-nots. When all the busy servers are running Bathurst, what will the people who didn't pay for Bathurst do?

The busy servers would probably be one or two servers with more than 30 combined and little less on other servers, just like it is now. Few servers are full, some have less and rest have 4-8 racers. Of course there would the be the the period when everybody who had the track would drive it, just like it happened with the BF1. But within a month the novelty would wear off and the track would probably replace the Aston national as the most driven track.

With the cost of 20/10/5 euros I can't see it that so many would not be able to purchase it. And by looking how many people here want new content, I'm sure that the percentage of buyers would be high, but there would still be racers for other combos as always. I'm just saying that (looking at the poll results so far) pretty many of the active racers would buy the track. A launch of totally new track will of course create big waves but I can't see that it could last very long. In the end the track would be popular but not more than the BL1/FOX or AS3/GTR. From what I've heard, it might be a good thing for the US servers, for example, if the AS3/GTR is the dominant combo there ;)

@Nikimere
I just watched some Mondello videos and the track didn't look like anything special. Just like the shorter Aston combos. One dangerous corner and the rest is the usual easy stuff... :)

nikimere

30th November 2006, 13:04

@Nikimere
I just watched some Mondello videos and the track didn't look like anything special. Just like the shorter Aston combos. One dangerous corner and the rest is the usual easy stuff...
dangerous yes, easy no :)

N I K I

30th November 2006, 13:17

I can se now, 'ring is totaly popular and I like it too. Man I would like to hotlapp there for ever but on-line racing is problem, 1st problem is its NARROW, other problems you can find by yourself :D

SPA is long track too and it doesnt have any short versions, but still I like it!!!

Brands is faboulos track for HL too. BUT there is no overtaking places. I meen on short version, short one is good!!! I whatched this year DTM and BTCC there and it so hard to overtake there, only if you are 2 sec per lap faster you can take someone down!

MONACO. Eh that is prestige. If you can get that to us that will be superb. But I think it would be too expencive.

And at the final there is one track that no one has manted to now:

NORISRING. It's short, it's fast, it's city track and it's real!!! Perfect choise. Man NORISRING would be so popular if we have it in LFS :thumb:

creativesurgeon

30th November 2006, 14:25

I have seuggested to the Devs about adding Mondello Park (Irish track, its in GT Legends) before.

I know it's no nurburgring or leguna but it is a pretty good track and has some nice corner combo's and has some great overtaking places.

Mondello is great, it would offer some really close battles... It can be bloody hard at some points too.

Besides, I would quite like a hill climb...

FL!P

30th November 2006, 14:45

I love the Nordschleife, and I'd love to race it in lfs, but only in leagues with "selected" drivers. I'm afraid it wouldn't work at all for public servers. Other tracks I'd love to have are Spa, Suzuka and Silverstone (I'm surprised this one hasn't been mentioned yet, BTW).

v4forlife

30th November 2006, 14:52

i love the ring, valencia...quatar, but i wouldnt have them in lfs. thats part of what, in my eyes, makes lfs that much better.

andybarsblade

30th November 2006, 14:55

donington park all the way?

MataGyula

30th November 2006, 16:01

I think we do not need to pay for a real track as we WILL get to a point when track owners would pay the devs to see their tracks in LFS , or at least give the licence for free.

Smax

30th November 2006, 17:11

Yes I'd like to drive around some real tracks. Of the choices in your poll I'd choose The Nordschleife and Mt Panorama [Bathhurst].

I'd also add Spa to my wishlist though.

Lible

30th November 2006, 17:21

10 - 20 for Spa.. it was Frankouchapms.. ?

Jakg

30th November 2006, 17:23

"Spa Francochamps" is it's full name

arguru

30th November 2006, 19:48

About splitting, ok.. but 10+... 20 euros is what a mcdonalds meal cost!, in any case, I wouldnt care me running Spa or other tracks alone. Devs have to make profit/a life after all out of this.

Definitelly I would pay for official extra lfs content (cars, tracks). I would also kept the program closed (as it's now) for consistency reasons.

It will also add a nice 'private-jetset-club' touch to it =).

Sorry for the engrish.

LFSn00b

30th November 2006, 20:01

I want Laguna seca and Nürburgring. I'm ready to pay of them.

GianniC

30th November 2006, 20:05

First of all: new tracks ? -> made by the Devs only.
Add ons ? -> no thank you, only want made by Devs products (c).

Pay ?
Hmm.. no, I pay for the game on its whole, I'm not going to pay €5 for this and another €5 for that, ect... I don't want a GTR/rF/moneymaking game... I want a good game, just like LFS is now.

But; I do want to pay (for example) instead of £24, 35£ if there are coming more tracks,... for the whole pack of S2 final / S3. But I'm not willing to pay for every extra track there is.

Vain

30th November 2006, 20:06

I'm actually surprised about how many people would be willing to shell out funds for the Nordschleife. 40% is pretty good for a pricetag of additional 20€.
Of course I'm one of those, but I thought that I'm just a nutter...

Well, I'm off watching Nordschleife vids. Posting link in the racing video thread.

Vain

Eldanor

30th November 2006, 20:12

I would pay 20€ for a complete track with all his official combinations, with high detailed modelling of the surroundings, pitlane, garages, infield, etc...

Wich one? any of these: Spa, Zolder, Laguna Seca, Jarama (my local track :))

And of course, for Nurburgring, I would pay double for a high detailed model of the GP+Nordschelife will all the variations (Ring, 24H, GP, Sprint and Mullenbach)

:) I think is not too much if you have to pay for the licenses. In fact it is cheap if you compare add ons for Flight sims, I don't know much a bout it, but AFAIK you can pay $90 for a single plane.

@GianniC: But in LFS you actually pay for the content, you get a great sim for free (Demo) or you can pay for more content, but the sim is the same :)

Christofire

30th November 2006, 20:24

I'm split. I'd love to drive the 'ring, but I share the concern that the "I can go faster in GT4! LFS is slow!" and all the other complaints would mean LFS can't win with it.

It's also far too long and too hard - even if everyone has the track there'll be an elite that can make it round without crashing and everyone else. It won't be a good race track for online. LAN parties or pre-arranged races maybe. For this reason the IOM TT course is also out - I've ridden it in real life and it's bad enough there. If you want to ride it then get TT Superbikes for the PS2.

I think Spa would be a more accessible track, but still open to criticism if the times don't come out close to RL. Of course, none of use are F1 drivers (?) so I wouldn't expect them to be, but you can't argue with some people.

Short/medium tracks will be more popular. Just see how many servers are set up for the 5 lap sprints. No-one seems to want races that are over 5-7mins long.

MAGGOT

30th November 2006, 20:32

Mosport! Mosport! OH God Mosport!!! :hyper:

Jertje

30th November 2006, 20:44

I'd pay for Laguna Seca and Norschleife.

eRaptor

30th November 2006, 22:39

Man... This threads again...

Where in the World do you live and what income do you guys have?!?!

Allways talking about paying for extra content...
Don't get me wrong, I like LFS, I've paid for it, and I don't regret that, but for the money we pay for LFS you can have games that have all that tracks!
If a few real world tracks would be added it would be a nice thing, but paying for it?!
Anyway, imo a few tracks should be added, but I don't really bother if they are real world like or not, since they are fun to race like a few we have already...

Rtsbasic

30th November 2006, 22:50

I'm willing to fork out £20 for a good quality, good looking version of the Nürburgring Nordschleife. Not exactly suitable for the common 5 min races but would definately be a lot of fun in an organised race.

M.Mos

30th November 2006, 23:18

If it's just another conversion of an conversion i won't pay. If it's a GPS accurate version of the current Ring, including older Ring versions derived from the todays gps data i would sure pay more then 20€.

Glenn67

30th November 2006, 23:32

And that creates a split - haves and have-nots. When all the busy servers are running Bathurst, what will the people who didn't pay for Bathurst do?

Well they could always drive XFG on BLGP in demo :razz: but serriously who wouldn't buy bathurst :pillepall :D

In all seriousness though saying it will split the community is a bit of an over-exageration, as the community is already split :scratchch

For example, I don't touch anything other than road cars, others only drive the open wheelers, others GTRs, etc etc. Then there is some that do all cars and tracks. At the end of the day I guess it depends on what each individual wants to get out of LFS :shrug: For me I actually like driving one car regularly and even don't mind sticking to one track, but then I normally can only race for an hour or two on Saturday or Sunday, so I don't find that boring :p

Then there is the splits that are caused by physical distance and quality of internet service which varries from country to country :shrug:

In Australia I actually think having bathurst in the game would link the Assuie LFS community together stronger than it already is (it already is a strong community within LFS), as we would all buy it! and drive it regularly :smileypul so therefore would more likely end up on the same servers more often :x :D

Panda

1st December 2006, 00:08

i think most of the people that are saying, dont add this and dont add that, havent been playing for that long. most have join dates of 2006. play some more, get your fill of the content thats already here, and then i bet youll want some more tracks.

im most definitly willing to pay. saves me a trip to germany. hahah. the issue about splits? what about the versions? sometime in the near future, there will be a incompatible update, if you dont update, thats on you.

filur

1st December 2006, 00:29

All i want from LFS in this category of contents is more tracks, real or not, if paying meant i got an extra track, i'd pay. :)

Dennisjr13

1st December 2006, 02:24

I'd vote for Limerock park but there was no option. Check (http://www.limerock.com/) it out if you want...

XenoWolf

1st December 2006, 02:42

I love Laguna... but no.

Glenn67

1st December 2006, 03:59

I suppose that's a good point; it would greatly benefit all three of our Australian racers. :x ;)

At the times I'm on the Aussie's would represent 30-40% of the online population :razz: its just that the rest of the world is asleep at those times :x :D and there is at least six of us! :pillepall :nod:

96 GTS

1st December 2006, 04:11

I'd love other real life tracks, and I'd pay for them. However, in the end, they're just tracks. The Nurburgring is a legend, plain and simple. Yes, I know, I can play it in GTL, GTR, GPL, and Racer, but those are all just conversions of the GPL track, which is a decent approximation at best. The Nurburgring is the only reason I have Forza Motorsport, it's the only track I ever race on. I paid $50 for Forza, and I'd gladly pay that much, maybe more, just to get the Nurburgring in LFS. Yes, it wouldn't be good for online pickup races, but it would be amazing offline and in leagues. I'd sell all my other games just to have it. It would be amazing.

Edited to say, I guess the only other track that falls in the category of "more than a track" would be Bathurst. I haven't had much experience with it other than GTR, GTL, and seeing it on TV, but it looks amazing too.

Hankstar

1st December 2006, 04:14

I suppose that's a good point; it would greatly benefit all three of our Australian racers.

At the times I'm on the Aussie's would represent 30-40% of the online population its just that the rest of the world is asleep at those times and there is at least six of us!

I'm here, that makes seven. Blow it out yer Pommy arse, Kev :D

N I K I

1st December 2006, 05:38

So I must ask this:

Will we have real life track or not? :scratchch

And we do, what track it will be? :really:
And I think 20 EUROs is tooooo much for Nordschlife!!!:pillepall

George Kuyumji

1st December 2006, 06:11

Would pay for a Nurburgring Nordschleife and Spa.

How much does these track licenses cost? Is there anyway to know?

kallelix

1st December 2006, 08:19

What about a paypal account for the licence cost of the Nordschleife?

I tought if you buy the licence you also get details of track data.

Vain

1st December 2006, 08:22

As far as the public gossip goes the Nordschleife Company has two packages. One is the bare track license, the other is the license plus a pack of very accurate GPS data.

Vain

tristancliffe

1st December 2006, 08:43

Don't get me wrong, I like LFS, I've paid for it, and I don't regret that, but for the money we pay for LFS you can have games that have all that tracks!

In LFS you have paid for the development of the physics, and get rewarded with some faster cars over the free-physics demo
In other games you pay for the tracks/cars.

In LFS you don't get real tracks. In other games you don't get realistic physics (well, maybe 20% realistic relative to LFS).

You get what you pay for. Which game lasts longer - LFS or any other?

Vain

1st December 2006, 08:50

LFS's physics are free (-> demo). You pay for content only.

Vain

creativesurgeon

1st December 2006, 11:42

I think we do not need to pay for a real track as we WILL get to a point when track owners would pay the devs to see their tracks in LFS , or at least give the licence for free.

Haha. Yeah, right.

wsinda

1st December 2006, 12:34

Transporter

1st December 2006, 13:09

nurburgring is the only reason why i still play gran turismo 4.

alland44

1st December 2006, 13:29

I will pay absolutely nothing :)

I`m fond of the present tracks, and thes tracks, that you find in Lfs, is as real, as the known tracks.

I`m here for the racing - The track doesn`t matter to much. I really like what we`ve got now :)

AK-Chester

1st December 2006, 15:23

z3r0c00l

1st December 2006, 16:34

Perhaps we should arrange a group buy on the forum, get 2000 people to chip in 20 quid a piece, buy the rights ourselves, and give them to the developers for christmas. :D

96 GTS

1st December 2006, 16:36

Suppose Eric makes a new track for S2 Final, with turns that rival Karussell, Eau Rouge, Corkscrew, Parabolica and Druids. And suppose it also had an extra-long config. Would you still pay for the real thing? (In other words, what is the big attraction in a legendary, challenging track: the legend or the challenge?)

Another question: Since Eric can only spend his time once, would you be willing to sacrifice other graphical updates (e.g. new cockpits, better damage, weather, ...), in exchange for the Nordschleife?
Yes, actually, I would. Even if we get a new fantasy track with corners like those of the 'ring, it's still not the 'ring. It would be fun for sure, but still not the same. I have nothing against Eric as a track designer, in fact, as far as modern circuits go, his are better than almost any real life track. That's why I don't really care if we get other real life tracks in LFS. Those are just tracks, and Live For Speed already has superior tracks. The Nurburgring is a legend, and that would be at least half of what I'd be paying for when I bought the track. Again, I should also say that Bathurst is something more than just a track, it's a legend too. Mosport too, really. I wouldn't pay for something like Hungary or Albert Park or any other modern track though.

Shotglass

1st December 2006, 16:44

NORISRING. It's short, it's fast, it's city track and it's real!!! Perfect choise. Man NORISRING would be so popular if we have it in LFS :thumb:

but the old config please

seriously though i dont really see a need for any real life tracks as there is no way to replicate them exactly

magicius

1st December 2006, 16:48

why you need licence for track,just put same track as real and change name:D :tilt:

N I K I

1st December 2006, 17:18

I got an idea,

What you think about this:
Let's pay Herman Tillke to make track for us. It will be good like real one :D

He is legend and he will make a perfect track...
And I think FIA will buy a licence for that track from LFS and make new F1 Grand Prix track in some 3th world Country :D

Hyperactive

1st December 2006, 17:26

why you need licence for track,just put same track as real and change name:D :tilt:
And hire a good lawyer (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=13144) :icon23:

AJS

1st December 2006, 17:26

I would pay for Nordschleife, Padborg Park (Denmark) and Heidbergring (local racetrack here) and maybe Eurospeedway Lausitz, Oschersleben and Hockenheim. I could practice for track days and club slalom then :D

rediske

1st December 2006, 18:04

FXR at Nürburgring Nordschleife! droool!!!

I would pay, let's say 50 EUR for trying that one out!

magicius

1st December 2006, 18:14

And hire a good lawyer (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=13144) :icon23: tell to them i made track and they cant find me :)

Hyperactive

1st December 2006, 18:21

tell to them i made track and they cant find me :)
I'm sure we can get some kind of agreement on this. Just let me try the track and I'll tell the assasins, murderers, lawyers, ninjas and south city police to back off ;)

Btw. of course no one can find you. Ever ;)

keltern

1st December 2006, 18:39

oh i'd pay for a real life track.. but i'd pay more to get the car i want in LFS! :thumb:

Hurts2bStock

8th December 2006, 18:48

I've never craved "real" cars, but real tracks I think of all the time......Nürburgring Nordschleife FTW!....lol....I know with tracks we have all learned most famous courses in other games and from TV, or at some point in our race loving lives.....and that knowledge is not put to good use at this point.....Nürburgring Nordschleife has so many reasons to be the top pick, the graffiti on the road, the banks and bumps and narrow passing sections, the length.......all the others are on my wish list but not in the way that NN is..:shrug:

Racer Y

9th December 2006, 01:27

Hi. Even though the tracks listed were very appealing, ummm I voted none.
I would rather the developers spend time screwing around with and developing
their own creations instead of using all that time and resources trying to duplicate a track to the standards we've come to expect from them :)
A real track would be cool as some sort of mod that's after S-3
but again, I really don't think worth it overall if the devs tied up "X" amount of time & recources and money and legal negotiating hassles and endless arguing as to whether the bleachers are 69m-8cm or 69m-9cm from the track fence
just to have a track that maybe 4% of the community will even halfway play on. Not to mention, I personally don't wanna pay any more than I have to to play on Aston club in the UFR or Kyoto GP in a LX.
Besides, I play Nascar and mods for it (Yes I got the Ring :)) Uh Watkins Glen is a fun track (I like the "after" better) But it pales in comparison to Fern Gold
Laguna is kinda fun, But I think the Corkscrew on Aston is much more fun and intense than the one on Laguna.
And yeah, I'm comparing LFS tracks to simulated tracks but still....
the tracks you're suggesting for LFS would only be simulated too.

I dunno, the fantasy angle is one of the main things about LFS that appeals to me. Everything is original and to be honest, I was kinda put off more than enthused about the Beemer F-1. :shrug: Nothing against BMW. I think they make good cars and all and for them to do that with the F-1 car is totally cool, but I dunno...... It IS a fun gar in the game though

Now a track that was similar to the ring (or [INSERT TRACK NAME HERE] )... or a creation that was influenced by Eric's personal experience with it would more than likely be a way better idea and probably a way better track.
In fact, I think Whoever it is that decides where race tracks should go in the real world should bother Eric about track design. You know like city or municipal governments trying to lure in $$$ and or private investors for speedways... those types of "whoevers"

So, getting back to the point: Not no, but HELL NO!!!!!

Meanie

9th December 2006, 04:55

Perhaps we should arrange a group buy on the forum, get 2000 people to chip in 20 quid a piece, buy the rights ourselves, and give them to the developers for christmas. :D

If that could be done...
Count me in, mate. :thumb:

Michel 4AGE

9th December 2006, 10:17

Nordschleife. Oh yes. I'm ready to pay anything.

pretty plz.

Leifde

9th December 2006, 10:52

Hyperactive

9th December 2006, 11:13

I don't see the attraction of having the Nurgburgring, IMO it wouldn't be used on public servers just because it's so long and the field would be VERY spread out.

What I would like to see though is (when we get karts in LFS) real life kart tracks. Not necessarily the big, well-known ones, but some of the smaller club ones such as Wombwell, Fulbeck, etc (I don't know any tracks in other countries apart from the big ones). This way we avoid the big licensing fees (smaller clubs are likely to ask for smaller amounts of money) and it's still somewhere that people can go drive at in real life.
The Nürburgring track itself is something what people see more than just a track. It has been said earlier, in many threads, that with 20 cars you won't have close racing but as a race track there is nothing that beats it.

Karts :yawn:. Karts and kart tracks need to have each others. There's really no point to have karts without kart tracks or vice versa. Maybe bigger shifter karts would be more suitable for LFS but still, how popular MRT is? Just another grippy razor blade sharp-edge biting car. :)

der butz

9th December 2006, 11:14

I totally agree with Racer Y (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=14548)'s points. The tracks we already have are very original and challenging (in fact I LOBVE every square inch of all the tracks, exept the oval), and I do NOT want to pay more to have tracks that are more or less well copied original ones.
Besides of all that i'm pretty sure that most of you guys who voted FOR a certain track wouldn't pay anything for it. I wouldn't want to pay 45 Euros for S2, and additionally 30 or more for s3, would YOU?

greetz

butz, the anti-addonist

Hyperactive

9th December 2006, 11:15

jscorrea

9th December 2006, 11:56

In the LFS final, real tracks and real cars will be added for the community...

Like Rfactor for ie.

Regards,
JS

wsinda

9th December 2006, 13:40

Perhaps we should arrange a group buy on the forum, get 2000 people to chip in 20 quid a piece, buy the rights ourselves, and give them to the developers for christmas. :DOr rather: Buy the rights, find some talented track creators in the LFS community, contact the devs for file formats & tools, and give the finished track to the developers for christmas -- 2007, that is.

keiran

9th December 2006, 13:49

The Nürburgring track itself is something what people see more than just a track. It has been said earlier, in many threads, that with 20 cars you won't have close racing but as a race track there is nothing that beats it.

Karts :yawn:. Karts and kart tracks need to have each others. There's really no point to have karts without kart tracks or vice versa. Maybe bigger shifter karts would be more suitable for LFS but still, how popular MRT is? Just another grippy razor blade sharp-edge biting car. :)

Gearbox karts and superkarts are the same size as a Snr kart to my knowledge :tilt:

Gearbox karts and superkarts would be okay on the current crop of tracks. 250 Superkart would be great fun :D I doubt they'll be implemented for a while since I don't think LFS can simulate kart dynamics.

Ger Roady

9th December 2006, 14:37

In the LFS final, real tracks and real cars will be added for the community...

Like Rfactor for ie.

Regards,
JS

Says who ?

latch

9th December 2006, 22:30

Says the devs - http://www.liveforspeed.net/?page=faq&id=8

For me, if there were only 2 real tracks ever to be recreated by Eric, Bathurst & Nurby are my choices. This lap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmkUVSVHoc8) of Murphy's at the mountain is so good it makes me cry.

Glenn67

10th December 2006, 00:39

This lap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmkUVSVHoc8) of Murphy's at the mountain is so good it makes me cry.

:thumb: That's one of my all time favorite motorsports moments also :shy: that lap changed my opinion of murphy forever :D as I said earlier I'd pay a lot for bathurst :p

bbman

10th December 2006, 01:14

Is that public road (if there isn't a race going on, obviously)? I've seen some videos were everyone is sticking to his side, watching the speed limit and so on...

Glenn67

10th December 2006, 01:22

Is that public road (if there isn't a race going on, obviously)? I've seen some videos were everyone is sticking to his side, watching the speed limit and so on...

Yes its a public road when its not race day :nod: it's apart of the town of Bathurst :) Howed you like to live on that street :D

bbman

10th December 2006, 11:21

To be in the first row every race day? Oh yes! :nod:
To clean up the mess the fans leave after every race? Not really... :schwitz:

jamesrowe

10th December 2006, 13:42

I would pay €20 for Nürburgring! Imagine the online racing/fun you could have! Like in RL!:D

Tony Pearce

16th August 2007, 00:44

MRSisson

16th August 2007, 02:09

I'll pay for all of them. :nod:

In fact, I'll pay MORE than 20 euros to just have the code for the tracks released so the talented people who have made tracks for the other racing sims (GPL, R-Factor etc) can transfer their tallents to LFS. :scratchch

Thread Necromancy!

I'll pay 4 times that amount to keep LFS under tight control.

(hey, how much is a Euro in Canadian?)

Crashgate3

16th August 2007, 07:10

I was going to vote 'No', however the Bathurst option in the poll was just too tempting..

I'm generally against LFS having real tracks and cars though. It woulkd just encourage arguments on the forums about the fact that corners aren't right and that the wrong number of blades of grass have been used.

Tony Pearce

16th August 2007, 07:53

Dillyracer

16th August 2007, 08:12

Sounds pretty stupid to pay 20 € for one track if the whole game costs 35 €. Real life tracks ? Sure. Pay for it ? No

Töki (HUN)

16th August 2007, 08:26

Why should we pay for real tracks if we have already bought the game? In this case the game should include the real tracks

Blackout

16th August 2007, 08:32

Why should we pay for real tracks if we have already bought the game? In this case the game should include the real tracks

License fees to use real tracks, and especially the names, cost good money. The LFS devs probably couldn't take the money from LFS sales in the hope that increase in future sales cover the investment and hopefully make profit, it's too risky. This poll was originally to map what kind of interest people in general would have on real tracks if you had to pay for them, like it should probably go. It will not happen that soon though.

harjun

16th August 2007, 09:05

My mummy won't let me...WAAAAAAAAA :(, but i would like northern loooop!

Maelstrom

16th August 2007, 09:36

According to the pool the devs have made a mistake when they chose the game's price! They should have sold it for 200£ :scratchch

NitroNitrous

16th August 2007, 09:43

DONNIGTON PARK :thumb: :D :thumb: :D

+1 :nod:

N I K I

16th August 2007, 10:03

I would pay 7 Euros for SPA ^^

FC3SCorey

16th August 2007, 10:45

I am not interested in any of those tracks, but I would pay 10 or so dollars to get something different for a change, Donnigton park is great. There would be no way I would PAY to have Nürburgring in the game.... I have about 563 other games that have it already.

Oooh Spa too, fantastic track.

Hell why not Targa Florio =] I would gladly pay 40$ for the full version.

StableX

16th August 2007, 10:54

give me buckmore park circuit and a gokart in LFS pls :)

Eldanor

16th August 2007, 11:17

Sounds pretty stupid to pay 20 € for one track if the whole game costs 35 €. Real life tracks ? Sure. Pay for it ? No

Take a look at Flight Sim addon prices, you would be surprised. I take LFS as a hobby more than a game, so I don't mind spending $30 or $40 per year in quality content, as I have done with other hobbies.

andybarsblade

16th August 2007, 11:18

donington + 1

Andrei221

16th August 2007, 11:22

I'm not interested paying for track addons ..if there will be some tracks they need to be from the game..not with additional payment

Töki (HUN)

16th August 2007, 11:28

I'm not interested paying for track addons ..if there will be some tracks they need to be from the game..not with additional payment

That's what I'm talking about. OR another option: The tracks should be downloadable from different sites (e.g. lfs.net) just like in GTR2 :shrug:

AeoIus

16th August 2007, 11:50

Voted NO.

I really like the fantasy tracks we already have and as far as I can see there is just no real use for creating RL tracks :shrug:
Racing is racing and a good virtual track is probably more fun than a bad RL track. Being side by side with any other car is the thrill for me and if it's a real track does not change that feeling. If the track is real is actually the last on my mind at that precise moment :D

In my opinion RL tracks are more for hotlapping and comparing times with real cars then anything else.

Actual racing and the thrill of racing can be had on any track, as long as it is good (and of course real tracks can be suitable).
I just do not see the need for them in LFS and would not pay extra for them.

Maelstrom

16th August 2007, 12:08

For laguna seca the only thing that we may need is a reproduction of the corkscrew! We don't need the whole track. Just a fictionnal one with smething similar :D

al heeley

16th August 2007, 12:11

I would pay €20 for Nürburgring! Imagine the online racing/fun you could have! Like in RL!:D
-1 :( Online nurby in GPL was the most boring track to race on. Give me aston cadet any day for close competitive racing. On Nurby after 5 monutes you never saw anyone (except maybe buried in a hedge) you might as well have been hotlapping.

Dillyracer

16th August 2007, 12:14

Take a look at Flight Sim addon prices, you would be surprised. I take LFS as a hobby more than a game, so I don't mind spending $30 or $40 per year in quality content, as I have done with other hobbies.

Flight Sim is more Offline than online, here we are talking about a full online expirience.

Let me put it this way, LFS S3 with real life tracks in the game and not as addons for the price of €50, but not an LFS S3 with a downloadable real life track for €15. This would completely ruin online expirience. As example : "That looks a good server to me, oh no, I must give away another €5 before I can play it."

This would ruin LFS even more than open modding idea. I'm fully against it.

southamptonfc

16th August 2007, 12:17

No add-ons ever. Either for all or not at all, this is what kills rfactor.

PlusP

16th August 2007, 12:40

While I would be willing to pay for them, the inclusion of real life tracks may not necessarily be a good thing.

Too many people are going to gripe about every little inconsistency because such and such game did it better, or they drove that track in real life and LFS got it all wrong, etc.

One of the best things about LFS is the fact that most of the cars and tracks are not real. The developers don't have to waste their collective energies in recreating real-life tracks and cars. Instead, they can focus on more important aspects in the game that please the community as a whole.

I have nothing but praise for the tracks we have now and I look forward to seeing some new "fantasy" tracks released in the future.

obsolum

16th August 2007, 13:01

Wholeheartedly agree with PlusP :nod:

BrandonAGr

16th August 2007, 17:51

One of the best things about LFS is the fact that most of the cars and tracks are not real. The developers don't have to waste their collective energies in recreating real-life tracks and cars. Instead, they can focus on more important aspects in the game that please the community as a whole.

One of the best things is that people have no easy way to gauge the realism of what is supposed to be a simulation of real life driving? If people could identify where the sim fails at doing something right then it would be easier to correct it and make it better. Unless you want to say making a realistic sim is a waste of time and the devs should just make something fun so they can make money.

Blackout

16th August 2007, 19:24

I would be willing to pay for some real tracks if thats what it takes to make them. But in the long run, that wouldnt be good. In the long run the tracks should be part of the price of the game.

Erm...did you edit your post heavily. Like it had said we should already have few tracks, and the cheap way to have them is making replicas and rename them, and that Eric has been utterly lazy because we haven't seen anything from him lately? Plus something I can't remember about rain night and such.

Huru-aito

16th August 2007, 20:11

I'd be willing to pay anything up to 20€ for Bathurst. Laguna Seca & Nordschleife.. Well, I don't think I'd be racing on them that much, after all Laguna Seca is just the corkscrew, and The Green Hell is just too hard to have competitive racing on it.

And paying for the tracks, the only way it could be done would be to donate the money. With that money the devs could then acquire the
license(s) and everyone would get the track(s). Paying for the track wouldn't work since it would without a doubt divide the community into smaller parts.

But I don't think there'll be any real tracks in LFS before the devs lose interest and open up the game for mods. In fact, I'm afraid getting the next new imaginary track into LFS might be years away :(

deggis

17th August 2007, 01:23

No add-ons ever. Either for all or not at all, this is what kills rfactor.
Yeah, like modding also totally killed Half-Life...

DodgeRacer

17th August 2007, 02:10

Yeah, like modding also totally killed Half-Life...

well lets be honest, who actually plays half life itself now :scratchch

but i do somewhat agree, the rampid modding in RFactor killed its ability to be developed by its developers, now they have to make a whole new version every time, kinda ruins the moving foward progress of lfs:nod:

StableX

17th August 2007, 02:30

well lets be honest, who actually plays half life itself now :scratchch

Game Current Players Current Servers Player Minutes/ Month

Counter-Strike 144,008 95,070 7.583 billion
Counter-Strike Condition Zero 15,458 13,165 911.482 million
Day of Defeat 5,215 1,810 243.372 million

still a hell of a lot!

deggis

17th August 2007, 03:34

well lets be honest, who actually plays half life itself now :scratchch
Just an example, maybe the best one. After all, Counter-Strike (which sucks but that's not the point) was mod and now it's probably the best known video game right next to Super Mario.

Then let's use GPL, Nascar N2003 or RBR as an example how modding kept and still keeps the games alive?

but i do somewhat agree, the rampid modding in RFactor killed its ability to be developed by its developers
but rFactor was made to be a modding platform.

daloonie

17th August 2007, 09:56

Nordschleife ftw!

I'd be willing to pay around £1-5 for an addon including extra tracks, including real ones.
I think if it were done like this devs could attain licenses and maybe even more sponsors for the game and great publicity.

MAE_2007

17th August 2007, 12:55

i like the laguna seca track ... but i may not pay anything, but whatever

CJ Ice

17th August 2007, 13:52

all i want is Hungaroring... :nod:

AndroidXP

17th August 2007, 14:02

but rFactor was made to be a modding platform.Wrong. rFactor is a quarter finished game without content encryption. If you intend to release a "modding platform", then you have to provide much more documentation and not leave your product in a state that needs years of research and the knowledge of a PhD till something usable comes out of it (mods using carFactory + realFeel).

Crazy Harry

17th August 2007, 14:12

Ok. I kidnapped Scawen´s nose. I will give it back to him after we get 2 new oval tracks. Within the next 2 weeks. So hurry up! :D

DodgeRacer

17th August 2007, 14:23

Game Current Players Current Servers Player Minutes/ Month

Counter-Strike 144,008 95,070 7.583 billion
Counter-Strike Condition Zero 15,458 13,165 911.482 million
Day of Defeat 5,215 1,810 243.372 million

still a hell of a lot!

lol apparently I didn't spell out that I was being sarcastic enough :razz:

But i'm sticking to my guns on the rfactor debate, they wouldnt have toted it as the best race sim of all time if they had simply intended it to be a new nascar heat.