New licenced cars in LFS? [Archive]

Boris Lozac

13th September 2005, 14:53

I was wondering what other licenced cars could we have in LFS?
The brands that don't ask much money for licencing, or don't ask any??(if that's possible).. I don't know what was the case with RA, and MRT5, i think that those two didn't cost anything for licencing, so it would be great to have more real cars...
I was thinking of TVR for example, it's british, it's not THAT high class, so i don't think it would cost much for licence, but it would increase sales of LFS BIG TIME.. Just imagine, driving that TVR Sagaris in LFS :nod: , i love the design of that car! So.. that's an example, i am sure that there is many other cars that could be put into LFS.. but it's better to be British, because it's close to the devs, to arange that, and test it..
What would you like to see in LFS? (don't go Mercedes, and all that.. ;) )...

Boris Lozac

13th September 2005, 15:50

I'd rather see more real tracks than real cars. I was wondering if they might be able to negotiate licensing with the circuits based on units shifted, but it would still be an additional cost I suppose. I think the fictional circuits in LFS are mostly excellent so it's not a big deal, but of course there are real-life circuits I'd love to try too.

Sure, i am saying all along that i would pay as much as it takes for Nurburgring, or Spa, or something.. but if they could put another licenced car in the game, that would show to everyone who don't know about LFS, that it is a huge game, with licenced cars, and that would increase sales even more, making it popular in the eyes of those track owners, and maybe they wouldn't charge for licence.. ;)

axus

13th September 2005, 15:51

Radical SR3/8? Those are track day cars... and therefore they should be happy to get included in a simulation such as LFS...
Perhaps the devs could contact them?
It would increase radicals' popularity and may increase their sales too and I'm sure that it would increase LFS sales...
http://www.radicalextremesportscars.com/contact.php

Blackout

13th September 2005, 16:06

Actually TVR is Russian :nod:

ORION

13th September 2005, 16:14

We could ask my teammate Chaos if he can ask his boss to get the racetrack in Most (Czech Repubilc) into LFS :)

Bob Smith

13th September 2005, 16:19

Given the choice I'd probably opt for real cars over real tracks. I mean, unless you've been around that particular track IRL, it doesn't mean anything to you anyway.

Given TVRs state atm I doubt they would be will give to give car licenses away. But hey at least they won't blow up in the game (unexpectedly).

Edit: Radical would be an awesome idea, I made the SR3 with LFS Tweak and it handles so nice. Damn quick too.

tristancliffe

13th September 2005, 16:21

Russian owned, but still British.

Is Lotus Korean then?!

AFAIK, Bob Smith made a Radical SR3 for S1 in LFSTweak, and apparently it was wonderful. I never tried it, but Bob'll be along soon to call me a spammer, so maybe this time he'll read my post.

Edit: Bob beat me already...

Theafro

13th September 2005, 16:24

a radical would be awsome (not to metion 'gap-filling') in LFS,

what about a company like noble sports cars, fairly smallish company that produces very competent machinery that would fit into LFS beutifully.

most kitcar companies would be perfect for collaborations with, in exchange for allowing the use of their car in the game they could maybe give out special 'promotional' editions of the game with their car in it, for potetial customers to take home and enjoy. LFS is one of the few games that could be flexible enough to do that with, and besides kit cars are aimed directly at the sports car enthusiast. perfect! :)

axus

13th September 2005, 16:47

Ultima!!!! They are a bit more well known though and would see little benefit in sales from having their cars in LFS therefore they would charge a licensing fee.

Noble is a great idea.
http://www.noblecars.com/contact.htm <--- If one of the devs could e-mail their marketing devision about including the M14 (ooooh... sexy). I think that both LFS and Noble would benefit from this and this would mean that the devs could probably convince them to give the license for free.

Bob Smith

13th September 2005, 18:02

AFAIK, Bob Smith made a Radical SR3 for S1 in LFSTweak, and apparently it was wonderful. I never tried it, but Bob'll be along soon to call me a spammer, so maybe this time he'll read my post.
Spammer. :p

And I'm quite serious, it handled far better than any RWD in S1 at the time. I was shocked tbh. I should really give it another go to see how it compared (with S1 physics) to what we've now in S2.

Noble would be really nice, I dunno, we might have some luck. Smaller kit car companies do sound like the best target though. There's that three wheeler car (the names eludes me atm), that would certainly be a bit (lot) different.

WorldFamous

13th September 2005, 18:15

Russian owned, but still British.

Is Lotus Korean then?!

They're Malaysian these days. :p

inCogNito

13th September 2005, 18:25

We could ask my teammate Chaos if he can ask his boss to get the racetrack in Most (Czech Repubilc) into LFS :)

Who knows Most? I think most of us never heard of this track, so It's as real for me as kyoto or blackwood.

And in the end i would rather take a great fictional track over an average unknown real track.

ajp71

13th September 2005, 18:34

TVR is far too mainstream to even consider, Radical has no problem finding it's market, I'd suggest going for an alternative, Westfield XTR2, sports 1000 cars, or the Speads sports racer (good because any bike engine could be put in to speed match it as it's supplied as rolling chassis).

I don't think real cars are important, tracks maybe more so, Mallory is worth looking at.

axus

13th September 2005, 18:41

Even if some manufacturers refuse, we should not be frustrated by faliure because if we don't try we won't get anywhere anyway. Radical and Noble may open their doors to us. I would love to see what their response is if the devs write them a letter.

Gunn

13th September 2005, 22:32

It had always amazed me that licensing needs to be paid to a car manufacturer. In reality they should be the ones paying for all that free product placement. Their car would get advertised to many new drivers who have a chance to develop a liking for the design and so potentially are a future customer. In my opinion car manufacturers (and other sponsors) should be pushing each other aside to try and get their car into a real race simulator like this.:scratchch

Boris Lozac

13th September 2005, 22:51

Good point Gunn... They should be paying the devs, but that's the world these days...
I think Noble is a great idea..

sil3ntwar

13th September 2005, 23:00

axus

13th September 2005, 23:05

Why leave it to the devs to ask? Just email radical or noble and say you are working on a project and would like to use their car. If they say yes then tell eric and scawen so they can start modelling/coding :D

Because we still don't have the word "GO" from the devs. The other thing that would scare mainstreem manufacturers away is the size of the development team. With a small manufacturer such as Noble or Radical this should be no problem.

L(Oo)ney

13th September 2005, 23:05

Why leave it to the devs to ask?

Because its their game, and if they dont want it in (unlikely) then us lot asking for them would be a waste of time.

Bob Smith

14th September 2005, 00:56

Good point Gunn... They should be paying the devs, but that's the world these days...
In an ideal world no money would change hands, a mutual agreement would be reached since both LFS and the car company would benefit (providing they are relatively unknown... like most true British car brands).

Edit: Here's a nice (long) list of car brands, start finding obscure ones that would probably welcome the opportunity to get into a car sim like all the big manufacturers do: http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/

Some highlights:
Ariel
Ascari
Bristol
De Lorean (maybe Rikk was onto something after all)
Farboud
FBS
Invicta
Marcos
Morgan
Noble
Panther (Panther Six.... it's got 6 wheels! and an 8 litre engine :D)
Radical
Spyker
Ultima

Others not on that list (kit cars):
Gardner Douglas (GD)
Ginetta
Grinnall (that's the 3 wheeler I couldn't remember)
Quantum
Sylva

stratocaster

14th September 2005, 02:38

Dodge seems to love having their cars in games;

http://www.dodge.com/games/index.html?pid=eDirect&adid=SimRacing%5FPost%5FSurvey&rid=%20

I would love to see a Viper in S2 or S3. Couldn`t hurt to ask, and just maybe Dodge might even pay the Devs for the advertisement.

Real cars or not, I like the cars that are in the S2 now, so which ever way the Devs decide to go, is fine by me.

Rotary

14th September 2005, 02:44

TVR Griffith 500 please :D

Boris Lozac

14th September 2005, 03:12

Or german Wiesmen.. i love that car! It's not so popular(i think), so advertisment in LFS surely wouldn't harm them..

FEANOR

14th September 2005, 04:11

The only car mentions that stirs my soul is the Radical SR8. Very small block V8.

http://www.radicalextremesportscars.com/gallery/index.php

Some video and pictures:thumb:

sil3ntwar

14th September 2005, 05:00

I would pay an extra 12 for each of the radicals if i had to :D

Mark_Casey

14th September 2005, 05:12

There's that three wheeler car (the names eludes me atm), that would certainly be a bit (lot) different.

Yep..a Reliant Robin would be an excellent addition hehe.

Nick_ll

14th September 2005, 05:20

axus

14th September 2005, 05:43

While we are at it, has anyone seen that there is a new version of the raceabout?
RAO5 (http://www.raceabout.fi/index_3.html)
Looks way nicer IMO. There is an extra 30kW and 170Nm of torque.... thats a shaitload! Would love to get that as well.

The thing I would really like is to get some more feedback form the devs about the kind of response they get from such car manufacturers. I mean, it cannot hurt the devs to ask so why not ask and give us some feedback? I hope they aren't ignoring this thread as it is a "can we not license more real cars please thread and they think its just like all the other ones. I think we have made genuine progress here.

FEANOR

14th September 2005, 06:05

About real tracks:
Wouldn't it be possible to make real tracks that aren't? I mean like Melbourne, Montreal or Monaco and not actually call them as such? Or do they license the streets too? Cause in Montreal, the circuit Gilles-Villeneuve is officially a street......

Now speaking of cars, since I believe LFS has something for lightweight vehicles:
http://www.go-t-rex.com/

The problem would be the detail. People would complain if the straight has a bump where it shouldn't or doesn't have a bump where it should or the camber gradient is big/small etc etc.

Back on to the car for a minute what about some WTCC sytle cars. 1100Kgs, 300hp 2ltr 4 banger with a 8500rpm rev limit, 6sp gearboxes in either rwd and fwd.

RMachucaA

14th September 2005, 06:18

man, that T-rex sure is ugly, i bet its a blast, but its one ugly mofo.

DasKlee

14th September 2005, 06:24

Back on to the car for a minute what about some WTCC sytle cars. 1100Kgs, 300hp 2ltr 4 banger with a 8500rpm rev limit, 6sp gearboxes in either rwd and fwd.

i suggested that in the RSC forums as well

the 3 additional classes i would like to see in S3: WTCC-style touring cars, le mans like sports-prototypes and racetrucks. 3 of each class would be great.

but then again, other people want to see bikes, others nascar-type stock-cars, others go-karts, so the list would probably go on forever

Rotary

14th September 2005, 06:59

We have the LX4 and LX6 (one day maybe the LX8)... why not an LX3...

:D

http://www.3wheelers.com/falcon.html

L(Oo)ney

14th September 2005, 07:13

Er, its a 2cv, with three wheels. I dont want that heap of junk anywhere near LFS.. :rofl:

Anyone who really wants a 3 wheeled 2cv in LFS, please go and take your medication before we get even worse suggestions. Thanks.

Now, adding the radical cars, yes please! :nod:

DeXteRrBDN

14th September 2005, 07:36

i suggested that in the RSC forums as well

the 3 additional classes i would like to see in S3: WTCC-style touring cars, le mans like sports-prototypes and racetrucks. 3 of each class would be great.

but then again, other people want to see bikes, others nascar-type stock-cars, others go-karts, so the list would probably go on forever

yes it's true, that's the 3 additional classes i want too, the most one: super racetrucks.

But I know that's difficult to see them on LFS, so there are lots of classes to add to LFS. But trucks would be amazing, I love them. And for sure, there is some truck team that'll give their truck for LFS for free.

If anyday we can see trucks in LFS, I don't know if would be electronicaly limited to 160kmh or not.. so IRL, they are limited to 160kmh, but can do 240kmh if nothing stops them!!!! Could be amazing to have trucks without speed limiter. But having speed limiter would be ok for me too.

Stargazer

15th September 2005, 22:22

Actually, speaking of 2CV's, although I doubt a license would be easily available, I've seen some incredibly exciting and frantic racing with these cars at a local circuit down the road from me - they're very old skool heh! They would certainly put the skills back in the hands of the driver, fairly low speed, but high center of gravity and iffy suspension.. I'd love to see something in LFS with a bit of low-tech vintage, it's all a bit modern at the mo!

tristancliffe

15th September 2005, 22:43

HSCC (60's and 70's) type cars (Elans, Fulvias, Griffiths etc

Historic Formula Ford - nuff said

Radical SR3 - not historic, but surprisingly good fun to watch, and probably brilliant to drive too

P.S. I'm more than happy for any new cars in LFS to merely be 'adaptions of a theme' rather than a direct copy of a production car.

Oh, and the best 'racing' for 2CV's is when they weld up the chassis/body and turn them into boats. Haa haa. The only sensible alternative is to cut the floor pan out, turn them upside down and use them as skips.
Nah, seriously, I borrowed a 2CV for nipping around London a few years back, and it was great fun. Nippy. Easy to drive. Quick enough, and you could have a lot of fun at safe (slow) speeds. I wouldn't OWN one, but I enjoy driving 'em.

Michel 4AGE

15th September 2005, 23:16

I would like a car like the Alfa 75,SZ,GTV, a car with a transaxle. Wich means that the gearbox is placed in the back of the car
Or a car like the Renault Clio V6, engine behind the seats :) And RWD ofcourse :D

RBSteve

15th September 2005, 23:45

Radical SR3 - not historic, but surprisingly good fun to watch, and probably brilliant to drive too

Agreed. Radical would be perfect for LFS.
I'm sure they'd be very popular.

I don't care about real car-brands either, but some real tracks would be very nice (i.e. the Nordschleife)

FPVaaron

15th September 2005, 23:54

I'd personaly hate to see more real cars in Live for speed, every one will be requesting new cars and there will be arguments that they aren't simulated close enough to the real version. About 100 13 year olds would request skylines and body kits ect ect.

I say keep the cars they have now, they're diffrent, they're good and they're original.

DratsaB

16th September 2005, 00:33

M.Mos

16th September 2005, 10:03

Why leave it to the devs to ask? Just email radical or noble and say you are working on a project and would like to use their car. If they say yes then tell eric and scawen so they can start modelling/coding :D I did something simmilar already. I offered the devs a offical free license for a real track. But they just dont want it.

DasKlee

16th September 2005, 11:01

I did something simmilar already. I offered the devs a offical free license for a real track. But they just dont want it.

well a license alone doesn't create a real track. how about all the needed data, where'S which bump, which elevation, exact radius of the turns...

if you create a fantasy track, the result can be perfect without any of this information, since there'S no one able to compare. but creating a 'real' track which isn't identical with the original track is in my eyes not worth the work and time.
maybe most of the people would never notice, because they never drive on the real one and compare, but who knows the track will know if there'S something wrong with the game-version

and if i do not know the track, it really isn't much of a difference if it's fictional or real...

if someone would supply all the needed data together with the license, i bet the devs wouldn't have many objections against a real track in LfS - the license alone just wouldn't be enough

Madman_CZ

16th September 2005, 11:16

yes it's true, that's the 3 additional classes i want too, the most one: super racetrucks.

did someone mention super racetrucks... i too am one who would love to see these enormous beasts in LFS

i still play MBTR which is the only game that seems to have truck in it on pc...

maybe an rfactor mod will satisfy me but i think lfs physics for a truck are best suited..!!

mad:nana:

M.Mos

16th September 2005, 13:28

well a license alone doesn't create a real trackDoh ! realy ? ... of course i had more then just the license :really:

DasKlee

16th September 2005, 13:48

sounds interesting - because some others had positive replies on the real track inquiries - but it all failed because of the missing data... at least that'S what you can hear in other LfS forums - so i don't know if it'S true or only hearsay

if you can provide the complete track data and the official license of an interesting track, i'm quite sure there will be some interest there - maybe not for a sudden LfS version but for inclusion into S3 or a track pack later on...

what exactly was the reason they gave you for having no interest in the track and what track are you talking about?

Racer Y

16th September 2005, 13:51

I want a track with one of these in it

Bob Smith

16th September 2005, 16:52

Didn't LFS have them originally before it was public? It started life as a stunt game after all.

nuggetz

16th September 2005, 20:29

My vote is for real world tracks for sure. We race em everyday in other sims and love em. If they were to hit LFS, man the forums would explode!! People would be finally able to make real comparisons between sims. I drove Limerock in GTR and now in rFactor and can appreciate both games. I too would love to tool around in real world tracks in LFS cars with LFS physics. How great would that be? Make s3 moddable and this will take care of itself.

spoop

17th September 2005, 14:19

I think real tracks would be awesome, too. But how many people have heard of limerock before? Especially other than those that live in the northeastern US.

Billeh

17th September 2005, 16:07

Only other real car id like to see is the Ariel Atom..

On a side note, I was wondering if any of the real cars featured in LFS have ever appeared (reviewed etc) on any TV shows such as Top Gear or 5th Gear?

yeah the atom would be the only real car i would like to see in lfs.

as for the tracks woldnt mind seeing the nurburgring just couse its massive :)

Madman_CZ

17th September 2005, 18:58

I think real tracks would be awesome, too. But how many people have heard of limerock before? Especially other than those that live in the northeastern US.

quite a lot people know limerock... i myself have raced limerock in f1 99-02 and GTR and its a great circuit... ok maybe it isnt that well know as SPA, MONZA and i can go on but its still a realistic track that many people enjoy racing on..... one for me that would stand out would have to be LAGUNA SECA

taking the v8 into the corkscrew would be just thrilling :D

ohh well guess i ll just have to keep wishing....

shame the devs didnt use some real conrers like the corkcrew, eau rouge etc in their fantasy circuits obviously changing them a bit so that they wouldnt get sued......would provide atleast some real life resemblance and a challenge for the driver.... many of the corners in lfs just arent exciting except maybe the chicace on aston cadet....

mad:nana:

Hyperactive

17th September 2005, 22:01

It may be that real cars and tracks are not that hard to get into your sim, even the permission to use it may be very easy to get. BUT let's think what all we need to know about a car to create it in lfs.

Car:
exact masses, center of gravity, car body data (is the rigidity of a car's chassis modelled in LFS?), engine characteristics, detailed information about suspension plus the look of the car - in 3D, and maybe even the rigidity of certain parts. While this may not sound so much, it's still a lot of data to the manufacturer to give away. And to make the car behave like the real life counterpart, it needs a lot work.

Also the car manufacturer may have made some agreements to let some specific companies use their cars and other data with exclusive rights. As the RA isn't a real production model but a car prototype, created and manufactured by a group of automotive students, it may be quite hard to even find an another one like RA to use it in LFS.

Actually, is there a point to get some very powerful real-alike kart-cars in LFS, since they aren't even that popular. To be honest, I think that a DTM class or GTP cars (like in the mod for nascar2003) or a rally cars for rallycross would be the most expected by LFS community. Maybe even a dragster or trucks but I'm not really sure... Of course it would be nice have all those cars suggested here in LFS, but is there a point to have zillion car types?

We now have 3 GTR hi-power class cars that are pretty equal. We have powerful formulas and powerful GTR fwd cars. What I'd like to see is more equal cars to these classes to make more variety to choose your car from.

Remember that when you ask for a listers or morgans that we already have car like them. The FZ50. Maybe it's not as powerful as the Lamborghini Gallardo or the Ferraris. But I haven't almost never seen anyone driving those online...

Or maybe we could make a poll to choose one car and then let the devs decide if they want to see it in LFS. After all the devs make the decisions.

:smileypul