How do i get more fps?

[[RCG]Boosted]

well my old system was 1,6 ghz 256 mb memory graphic radeon 9200 se 128 mb. i had always around 25- 35 fps.
now i have still 1,6 ghz :D but 1024 mb memory and a geforce 6600 with 256 mb.
and i still get the same fps.....

[ColeusRattus]

This is because LFS is very demanding to the cpu, but quite easy on the gpu.

So, without a new processor (allthough I doubt you'll get one for you mainboard, except on eBay), you propably won't get higher FPS...

[avih]

options - graphics:
- put all LOD options to minimum.
- enable track LOD reduction
- disable flags/trees/rubber/etc
- disable dither (?? is that done by the cpu or the gfx card?)
- enable hardware vertex shading

options - display:
- disable any visual option that you don't need
- some ppl report that removing the names list (N untill it's empty - while driving) has positive effect on framerate

options - misc:
- disable vertical sync
- play with various values of minimum sleep
- reduce multiplayer car draw distance
- reduce (/increase?) dynamic LOD reduction
- set updated path to user-car or off

options - view (on track with a car)
- set the view such that you see mostely the scenery and less car interiour (head position as forward as possible). some report that wheel view gives good framerate boost.
- i'd say that using virtual clocks should help too.

gfx card settings (not sure how much effect it will have since u have a pretty good one):
- aa/fsaa/anisotropic/trilinear/etc to minimum/off
- set image setting to "performance" (if applicable)
- try different drivers

hope it helps.

[Shotglass]

- set the view such that you see mostely the scenery and less car interiour (head position as forward as possible). some report that wheel view gives good framerate boost.

or simpler ... use wheels view ... so the cameraposition and the fov doesnt change but the fps should almost double

[avih]

or simpler ... use wheels view ... so the cameraposition and the fov doesnt change but the fps should almost double

hmmm... isn't that what's written in your quote of mine???

[Shotglass]

whoops i must have missed the last part of that quote somehow ... sry :)

[[RCG]Boosted]

well i go ahead and try it, but i cant drive with the wheel camera :D im need to see wheel the rpm and the speed :)

[mrodgers]

There is an option for virtual clocks or something like that. I use wheels view because of frame rate. I hate it, but it's better than a choppy screen. The virtual clocks will give you a tachometer on the left and speedometer on the right.

[[RCG]Boosted]

my fps isnt that bad :D i still have all time around 30 fps so i dont have performance problems but was just wondering why i didnt get more fps with more memory and new graphic card :)

[Seahorse]

Because your Processor should be in a museum...:nana:

[GT Touring]

i have a problem too, my frame rate wiggles from 19-20ish to a full 90FPS depending on the cars visible and the action
why would it be so demanding?
i runa p4 3.4 and 1.5 gig ram ad a ATI radeon 9600 pro.
i find this drop in FPS so disturbing as my PC is but 6 months old yet.
i have no hop e for S3

[[RCG]Boosted]

HDD to full? to high settings for graphics card? defrag? spybotscan? did u look for this stuff? :)

[Seahorse]

i have a problem too, my frame rate wiggles from 19-20ish to a full 90FPS depending on the cars visible and the action
why would it be so demanding?
i runa p4 3.4 and 1.5 gig ram ad a ATI radeon 9600 pro.
i find this drop in FPS so disturbing as my PC is but 6 months old yet.
i have no hop e for S3

There is no way your PC is 6 months old with an 18 month old graphics card in it. Unless of course it's some kind of buget one with cheap compomnents. A better card would help...:nana:

[Sickboy_]

i have also a problem with my new pc, but only in lfs!!!

i have a 3500+ 1ghz ram, 6600gt and only 10-15frames at start and 30-50 at race. but it makes no difference if i turn details on low or all on high, always the same frames.

benchmark on 3dmark2005 is 3600points and fear, doom3, battelfield 2 and so on, i can all play on HIGH DETAILS, just lfs sux very hard :(((

all new drivers for gpu and motherboard....

no idea now :(

[--==Gogo==--]

Is there something overclocked in your PC?

I have a AMD3000+ and a Radeon X800Pro with 1 Gig Ram and have 90FPS when driving alone and 50-60 fps when driving online with 20 others.

[Sickboy_]

no there is nothing overclocked, temperature: cpu 30-50celsius, gpu 40-70 Celsius

i think its no hardware problem cause its only in lfs, all other games run very good in high resolutions. But i have no idea what i can do/change :(

[AndroidXP]

...Wow, 1 GHz of Ram :Eyecrazy:

j/k

Seriously, do you have HVS enabled?

[Keith Carter]

Seriously, do you have HVS enabled?

Should it be enabled or disabled?

[XCNuse]

he says enabled lol.. but i can see how you dont understand, yes if your gfx card can support USE IT! or else your doing yourself absolutely no good

[Cue-Ball]

For anyone who's having frame rate issues: Run the un-official LFS benchmark using both max and min settings and post your results. That way you can directly compare your minimum, maximum, and average frame rates to other people running the exact same settings and replay. Arbitrary frame rate numbers don't mean much since you can get way higher fps on a wide open track like Westhill compared to South City which has a ton of track side objects.

Once you have solid numbers that you can compare to others, you can see how your system stacks up. That should let you know if your frame rate comparable to others with a similar setup.

[MadCatX]

There IS a problem with LFS framerate. Mybe a lot of ppl dont know about it, bacuse theirs FPS are OK. But there are some systemms where is a performece leak. On my p4 3.2E 512MB, gf6600gt I have approix. 90fps while racing alone and drops on 19!!! - 30 during online racing. I tried a lot to of things to speed it up, but only noticeable change was DISABLING HT in bios. My FPS grew up about 5-10 FPS. Couldnt it be here? And BTW, does LFS support MMX, SSE and another CPU optimalizations?

[Cue-Ball]

There IS a problem with LFS framerate. Mybe a lot of ppl dont know about it, bacuse theirs FPS are OK. But there are some systemms where is a performece leak. On my p4 3.2E 512MB, gf6600gt I have approix. 90fps while racing alone and drops on 19!!! - 30 during online racing. I tried a lot to of things to speed it up, but only noticeable change was DISABLING HT in bios. My FPS grew up about 5-10 FPS. Couldnt it be here? And BTW, does LFS support MMX, SSE and another CPU optimalizations?

Have you run the LFS benchmark? You might find that your framerates are similar to other people with comparable computers. I tried a quick test here at work and my frame rate on the starting grid of Blackwood is four times as high (24 fps) as it is with 8 other cars in game (7fps). And that's with a lot of details turned down and LOD settings enabled. Obviously, my machine is not as fast and doesn't have as good a video card as yours, but the frame rate differences that you're seeing might not be that far off from what others are getting. If you've got graphics settings turned way up and lots of cars on-screen, you're bound to see a pretty significant slow down compared to playing alone.

[MadCatX]

Yes, I ran it and my FPS is aprrox. 20 franmes BELOW average framerate on copmuter similar to mine an High details(tested on 0.5K version - and i cant see deferencies in 0.5P2...) So thats it. And Scawen, can U please tell us level of FPS optimalizaton for MMX asn SSE instrusction sets(or how it is called...) THX

[Cue-Ball]

What were your high/low/avg rates for both max and min settings? Maybe something in those numbers might help to narrow down the issue.

[MadCatX]

And Scawen, can U please tell us level of FPS optimalizaton for MMX asn SSE instrusction sets(or how it is called...) THX Of course I mean LFS optimalizaton, not FPS... :)(I wrote in hurry)

[MadCatX]

What were your high/low/avg rates for both max and min settings? Maybe something in those numbers might help to narrow down the issue.
All right, here it is. I've tested my system now again and here are results. Avg: 26.789 - Min: 19 - Max: 41 (tested by Fraps 2.5.1) Is this OK? Some ppl have max. 110 fps. Dreadful :(
Here is one systemmfor example
Ligverd0.5PA64 3200+ @2G1024 GF 6600 (256)--54.5483685 A64 3200+@2G 1Gig RAM GF6600 AVG: 54.54, MIN: 36, MAX: 85

My sys:-------------------
Pentium 4E 3.2GHz Prescott
512MB DDR2 CL3-3-3-10 :)
GeForce 6600GT!! 550,1100 oc'ed PCI-E
ASUS P5GDC Pro
WinXP SP2

[mrodgers]

One comment/question, are you running the supplied cfg files in the benchmark zip or are you running your settings to compare with others on the benchmark site? There are 2 cfg files supplied, one with minimum config settings and one with ....... you got it, maximum config settings. Which one did you use and which one are you comparing to on the benchmark database? The numbers you posted are comparable to my minimun cfg numbers with a P4 2.5, 512 ram, and 8 mb onboard graphics.

[Cue-Ball]

I'm wondering the exact same thing. If he's not using the supplied configs there could be a setting messed up in his configuration that's causing the problem.

MadCatX - Try both the min and max configs supplied with the benchmark and see how they compare to the settings you're currently using. It could be that you have something set up wonky that's causing the problem.

[MadCatX]

One comment/question, are you running the supplied cfg files in the benchmark zip or are you running your settings to compare with others on the benchmark site? There are 2 cfg files supplied, one with minimum config settings and one with ....... you got it, maximum config settings. Which one did you use and which one are you comparing to on the benchmark database? The numbers you posted are comparable to my minimun cfg numbers with a P4 2.5, 512 ram, and 8 mb onboard graphics.
I ran benchmark with the MAX cfg that I get in benchmark .ZIP i downloaded from the bench-site, so It is not here. Maybe it is in my system i played some bad-cracked starforce protected games... :(
But In 3d mark 03 a have over 8500 pts.

[Cue-Ball]

Well, something is definitely wrong. I'd venture to guess you should be getting about twice the frame rate that you are. Can you try unzipping LFS to a clean directory and benchmark that? Maybe you've got a corrupt file or texture or something? Checking a clean install of the demo would rule that out.

[MadCatX]

I Unzipped LFS to a new dir on another parition and ran test, at MAX setting I got the same results and on MIN i got following:
Avg: 72.477 - Min: 39 - Max: 97
That's what I had in S1H on MAX(you can look in bench-site, my PC is ranked as 7th in S1H:))
I am going to do some system maintenace tonight to find problem. Maybe I have just "baggy" Win register or something like that.

[MadCatX]

Well I lend some old harddisk today. I am going to install WinME on it and run LFS bench. We will see if it will help.

[jmkz]

there should be no reason, in the world, to install Windows ME :) that OS is the most buggy/slow thing M$ has put out, worse then Windows 1.0 ;)

[Cue-Ball]

there should be no reason, in the world, to install Windows ME :) that OS is the most buggy/slow thing M$ has put out, worse then Windows 1.0 ;)

Agreed.

Something is definitely wrong with your system, MadCat, but installing that OS is only going to make things worse. I'm betting you have a driver issue of some sort. Maybe not video card or sound card, but possibly something running int he background or an old, slow chipset driver.

Have you checked to see how many things are running in Task Manager? Have you tried performing a clean boot using msconfig? Check out this article and see if it helps (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353/). If you perform a clean boot and your frame rate is still low, a driver or hardware problem are really the only options left. What motherboard do you have? Maybe your chipset is the problem.

[MadCatX]

Agreed.

Something is definitely wrong with your system, MadCat, but installing that OS is only going to make things worse. I'm betting you have a driver issue of some sort. Maybe not video card or sound card, but possibly something running int he background or an old, slow chipset driver.


I have i915 chipset (ASUS P5GDC Pro mobo). When I last formated my HD, I have installed NEWEST available drivers for everything. If my prob. will be a driver issue, I wouldnt post it here and solve it myself:) In TaskManager I ALWAYS when I play terminate all unnecessary processes.

BTW: WinME didnt start - unable to use i915 sys. resources;) MANY HW conflicts in devmgr....

[[RCG]Boosted]

huh, i upgraded my mainboard and cpu from amd duron @ 1600 mhz and have now amd athlon xp 2600 + @2000 mhz.
old cpu - me driving with 11 AI - 10 FPS
new cpu - me driving with 11 AI - 40 FPS
and alone and mutliplayer im now always on 50 FPS, hell that feels good :D
(also with higher quality settings as before :) )

[jmkz]

so your GFX remained the same?:)

[[RCG]Boosted]

yup :) no money for that yet :p
im on a radeon 9200 SE with 128 mb, had a faster and better card but its broke, lol (nvidia sucks)

[jmkz]

well the 400Mhz CPU power increase + extra cache on the Athlon versus Duron chip seems to pay of bigtime!

[[RCG]Boosted]

indeed , its a huge difference.
i gained in the most games alot FPS but in LFS the most.
cpu hungry game :)

[P5YcHoM4N]

i have a problem too, my frame rate wiggles from 19-20ish to a full 90FPS depending on the cars visible and the action
why would it be so demanding?
i runa p4 3.4 and 1.5 gig ram ad a ATI radeon 9600 pro.
i find this drop in FPS so disturbing as my PC is but 6 months old yet.
i have no hop e for S3

I highlighted your problem. And I assume you run DDR2? If so. I highlight that too.

All right, here it is. I've tested my system now again and here are results. Avg: 26.789 - Min: 19 - Max: 41 (tested by Fraps 2.5.1) Is this OK? Some ppl have max. 110 fps. Dreadful :(
Here is one systemmfor example
Ligverd0.5PA64 3200+ @2G1024 GF 6600 (256)--54.5483685 A64 3200+@2G 1Gig RAM GF6600 AVG: 54.54, MIN: 36, MAX: 85

My sys:-------------------
Pentium 4E 3.2GHz Prescott
512MB DDR2 CL3-3-3-10 :)
GeForce 6600GT!! 550,1100 oc'ed PCI-E
ASUS P5GDC Pro
WinXP SP2

What do you expect. That's an A64, OC'ed to 2ghz. Your using a P4 and DDR2. DDR2 was a flop, and AMD stayed away from it. Intel though it would be their way to crush AMD, it failed, and cost them a lot.

You can't compair a P4 to an AMD to work out what you should be getting.

Boosted']huh, i upgraded my mainboard and cpu from amd duron @ 1600 mhz and have now amd athlon xp 2600 + @2000 mhz.
old cpu - me driving with 11 AI - 10 FPS
new cpu - me driving with 11 AI - 40 FPS
and alone and mutliplayer im now always on 50 FPS, hell that feels good :D
(also with higher quality settings as before :) )

That's a nice chip you have there. XP-M or just normal XP. If so you should have got the XP-M ;) Runs 2ghz at lower voltage, thus cooler. But no wounder you had problems. The Duron is the AMD Celeron.

well the 400Mhz CPU power increase + extra cache on the Athlon versus Duron chip seems to pay of bigtime!

Plus the fact the Barton is a better core then Applebred (I belive that is what was used in that Duron).

[[RCG]Boosted]

dunno if its M i actually was watching the price at most :p
but wanted high performance too, so there it is.
and cooler...hmm i still use my old cooling system and cpu is after few hours of LFS on 44C pretty cool for AMD
and this cpu costs me only about 100 US $

[P5YcHoM4N]

Boosted']dunno if its M i actually was watching the price at most :p
but wanted high performance too, so there it is.
and cooler...hmm i still use my old cooling system and cpu is after few hours of LFS on 44C pretty cool for AMD
and this cpu costs me only about 100 US $
Heh, sorry, I was refering to the voltages which effect temps. But 44c is pretty good for full load. Infact, it's very good.
Though I stopped watching temps after my last format, as all it did was make me paranoid. So I just set BIOS to sound a warning at 65c, and restart at 75c. So if things start to heat up I'll have a warning sound. Then I have time (depending how fast things heat up) to shutdown. If I don't by 75c. The power gets tripped to the CPU and my system is saved. Though the new BIOS also uses throttiling, which is annoying. But I've not hit it for sometime, it really pisses me off when trying to OC.

[[RCG]Boosted]

my Vcore is on 1,65 V
so? M or not? :p

[jmkz]

DDR2 was a flop, and AMD stayed away from it. Intel though it would be their way to crush AMD, it failed, and cost them a lot..

if DDR2 is a flop, why is AMD announcing DDR2 support for their new Socket M2?
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2476

[P5YcHoM4N]

if DDR2 is a flop, why is AMD announcing DDR2 support for their new Socket M2?
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2476
News to me. Last I heard AMD was staying away from DDR2 as it was slower then DDR. It had the raw speed but the timings was so lax it couldn't keep up.

Unless now it's been refined so much it's better? I know when it came out when benchmarked, it didn't hold water to DDR. Meh, I've not followed hardware in a few months. But AMD are getting as bad as Intel. A socket change every other week =/