Can changh the Raceabout car to 2005 type?

[scania]

the dash is look better(likf FOX)
http://www.raceabout.fi/press_photos/05/RA05_09.jpg

[rc10racer]

I would think that most cockpits are getting a new look for patch v if not the one after that one,

[Hyperactive]

I would think that most cockpits are getting a new look for patch v if not the one after that one,

I just hope that they aren't just plain texture updates :schwitz:

[Shotglass]

I much prefer the current Raceabout instrument panel to that ugly Lego-looking thing.

same here

[chopaholic]

The way updates are going on lfs nowadays, Dont count your luck on getting it.

[P5YcHoM4N]

To be honest, I feel that people who keep demanding updates and bitching about the lack there of are some what selfish. The game is coded by one guy, which means he has a crap load of work, he then has a family to look after and a kitchen to finish. Making a game should be the last thing on his list of things to do.

I mean lets take a look at Sven Co-op (http://www.svencoop.com), the last update was in 2003, and due to life they haven't been able to get 3.5 out yet (the lead coder being in a car crash slowed down things too).

It is expected from small dev teams, if LFS had an EA sized dev team and budget then you could maybe understand the demands for patches, but it's one guy, give him some slack.

[Gunn]

The way updates are going on lfs nowadays, Dont count your luck on getting it.There have been plenty of updates, what rock have you been hiding under? Visit the test patch forum to see the dozens of improvements, fixes and features that Scawen has completed recently or is working on.

[chopaholic]

There have been plenty of updates, what rock have you been hiding under? Visit the test patch forum to see the dozens of improvements, fixes and features that Scawen has completed recently or is working on.
Ooh i know there has been patch's etc. i just mean as in New cars/parts etc

[Blackout]

Yes, there hasn't been much additions to the demo content yes, thats true :nod:

[deggis]

I mean lets take a look at Sven Co-op (http://www.svencoop.com), the last update was in 2003, and due to life they haven't been able to get 3.5 out yet (the lead coder being in a car crash slowed down things too).
One major difference: you don't need to pay to play Svencoop.

[AndroidXP]

Yes, there hasn't been much additions to the demo content yes, thats true :nod:
And there is no need to do that, either.

[RAYfighter]

Ooh i know there has been patch's etc. i just mean as in New cars/parts etc

Yes, there hasn't been much additions to the demo content yes, thats true :nod:

And even less new cars/parts for demo. :razz:

[tristancliffe]

Ooh i know there has been patch's etc. i just mean as in New cars/parts etc

If you pay for LFS and support it you might actually get more frequent patches. Imagine if I ask you to spend 1000000 hours making something, but don't pay you - you'd find it hard to find the time. Now imagine 1000 people pay you - your motivation would be a bit higher. Now imagine 100000 people pay you - you'd probably do it.

So stop complaining until you've paid for it, and actually have any principles on which to moan.

[Blackout]

And there is no need to do that, either.

O rly? You really thought I really really thought there would? Sarcasm doesn't pass that well over text, I should've quoted that demoer :tilt:

[AndroidXP]

You really thought I really thought that you really thought there would? Sorry, I forgot to add the smiley. My answer post was directed at chopaholic, despite of quoting you ;)

It was more like adding to- or continuing your statement, not opposing it. :nod:

[Blackout]

I seeeee :tilt:

[chopaholic]

Erm no thank you. Why should i pay for something that i am not satisfied with even as a demo driver? i used to play s2 online on my mates account as he didnt play anymore, its the same old shit with a few more tracks and cars. And with updates coming few and far between what motivation should anyone have to get s2? If the Devs realesed something new for s2 that demo racers couldnt get (For example allowing them to mod) i would be far more inclined to buy the licence. But for the mean time im keeping my 24 pounds untill the devs decide to release something that intrests me.

[Becky Rose]

Erm no thank you. Why should i pay for something that i am not satisfied with even as a demo driver? i used to play s2 online on my mates account as he didnt play anymore, its the same old shit with a few more tracks and cars. And with updates coming few and far between what motivation should anyone have to get s2?
You get the one thing the pirate version doesn't give, online play :).

[Bob Smith]

EWhy should i pay for something that i am not satisfied with even as a demo driver?
Well that's obvious, the extra cars + tracks make a licensed game more satisfying. You say modding might make you buy a license... what is that if not just more cars and tracks? :pillepall

[xWolFx]

He is a guy that want's something out of the ordinary, he says that he wants something the Demo Players don't get well if it isnt all the extra cars and tracks, the support of the community and the online play then i am sure he is waiting until he gets something un-useful like a tool to edit the drag strip.

[Jakg]

Erm no thank you. Why should i pay for something that i am not satisfied with even as a demo driver? i used to play s2 online on my mates account as he didnt play anymore, its the same old shit with a few more tracks and cars. And with updates coming few and far between what motivation should anyone have to get s2? If the Devs realesed something new for s2 that demo racers couldnt get (For example allowing them to mod) i would be far more inclined to buy the licence. But for the mean time im keeping my 24 pounds untill the devs decide to release something that intrests me.what do you mean "the same old shit" - the driving standard is MUCH better, and some of the cars and tracks are just amazing, let alone the whole league position

[chopaholic]

That's your call, but - out of interest - do you often play demos you don't like for two years? ooh i like lfs, i have just lost intrest recently as there hasnt been one update that would Pull anyone towards buying the game.

Well that's obvious, the extra cars + tracks make a licensed game more satisfying. You say modding might make you buy a license... what is that if not just more cars and tracks? :pillepall
Erm no. I want mods like Changable rims. Even just the ones the Dev's make, Mabye options like Spoiler on/off. and some Engine bits for each car for example upgradable parts etc. And No i dont want any ricing stuff i just want to see changes.

what do you mean "the same old shit" - the driving standard is MUCH better, and some of the cars and tracks are just amazing, let alone the whole league position
Thats not 100% true, Alot of the dicks that are on demo are also on S2. And whats so amazing about s1 cars slighlty sprused up? Fair do's the league and the bmw sabaur are very nice. But what if your not into that?

He is a guy that want's something out of the ordinary, he says that he wants something the Demo Players don't get well if it isnt all the extra cars and tracks, the support of the community and the online play then i am sure he is waiting until he gets something un-useful like a tool to edit the drag strip.

Erm no, I mean for me playing lfs with the Cars etc there is no Pull factor towards s2 licence. And No i dont want no ****ing drag strip so why do you assume i want one? Demo racers arnt all the same you know.

I more want a tool where we can accuratly change engine setup's, Rims, More options for our cars. it could be done and it could be done easily and i dont see why the devs dont do it as it will get them more money.

[Jakg]

rofl - you want a spoiler on off, why? it is where it's needed

S1 cars spruced up? nope

I don't want LFS turning into a tuning sim - i want a RACING sim, which is what LFS is. If thats not what you want your playing the wrong game

[chopaholic]

rofl - you want a spoiler on off, why? it is where it's needed

S1 cars spruced up? nope

I don't want LFS turning into a tuning sim - i want a RACING sim, which is what LFS is. If thats not what you want your playing the wrong game

So real racers keep the same rims in every race Wow. And no i dont want a tuning sim either. (typical s2 driver thinks everyone who asks for mods wants a tuning sim.)

[Jakg]

when you want to change the engine parts, add and remove spoilers etc, then i DO think thats what you want

(typical demo racer completely misses the point of LFS)

[Blackout]

What are you after then? Tuning the cars won't happen, never. That subject is beaten to death thousands of times, there is no point in it.

[BlakjeKaas]

What I think what would be cool

that IF there would be a RA MKII, that you choose RA, and then MK I or MK II
(maybe no performance difference only looks)
just like if there WOULD be a new XRG/T/R
MK I or II

would be cool IF the y would change cars...

which isn't very necessarily IMO.

[chopaholic]

when you want to change the engine parts, add and remove spoilers etc, then i DO think thats what you want

(typical demo racer completely misses the point of LFS)

If its a sim for real racing etc, It should have compatability to change engine and bodywork parts because they do that in real life, Or are you one of these know it all lfs'ers who has never been to any track days?

So yea because i want the sim to become more realistic in giving us options to race with i want tuning mods erm NO!

We should start with a stock car in n/a racing series and work up! As your team gets more cash your car/s get better, for example you should be able to work up from a xrg to a xrt spec engine But you should be able to uprate turbo's etc, JUST LIKE REAL RACE DRIVERS DO. Also engine conversions would be nice, so you can have sleepers. JUST LIKE REAL RACERS DO.

And on the subject of me wanting spoilers. Why not? ooh no hold on, shit your right, Race cars dont have spoilers and different rims.

http://www.ceo-racing.be/Illustraties/CEO%20RACING.jpg
:scratchch

[Vain]

Firstly, all 997 GT3 or GT3 Cup (the one in your image) have the very same spoiler. They don't come with any other. In most 997-specialized series you aren't allowed to change them.

Secondly, in series where it's allowed to modify the car (most series) the team with the biggest budget wins. F.e. in the LMP classes at Lemans. Audi wins because Audi's budget is bigger than Pescarolo's. Here in LFS we want to win because we are good drivers, not because we have more credits.

However, changing rims, just as a purely cosmetic thing, propably goes into the same category as skins and helmets.

Vain

[sinbad]

If its a sim for real racing etc, It should have compatability to change engine and bodywork parts because they do that in real life, Or are you one of these know it all lfs'ers who has never been to any track days?

So yea because i want the sim to become more realistic in giving us options to race with i want tuning mods erm NO!

We should start with a stock car in n/a racing series and work up! As your team gets more cash your car/s get better, for example you should be able to work up from a xrg to a xrt spec engine But you should be able to uprate turbo's etc, JUST LIKE REAL RACE DRIVERS DO. Also engine conversions would be nice, so you can have sleepers. JUST LIKE REAL RACERS DO.

And on the subject of me wanting spoilers. Why not? ooh no hold on, shit your right, Race cars dont have spoilers and different rims.

http://www.ceo-racing.be/Illustraties/CEO%20RACING.jpg
:scratchch


It's not trackdays though. These cars are designed specifically to fairly compete with each other or within a certain class with a few other vehicles. If you want a "progression" mode, just start driving in the UF1000, and then work your way up through the faster cars. The best part is, that no matter what you drive, you are competing in totally fair environment. When you get beaten it's because someone was better than you, not because they had a mod which you didn't, and surprise surprise, that's what a lot of real motorsport is like too.

Teams and manufacturers which modify their cars (in series' which allow that sort of thing) still have to abide by very strict guidelines and limitations. As vain said, money is the other limiting factor. In LFS we have no money, but for it to be "JUST LIKE REAL RACERS DO" eventually everybody would have the same optimumly developed or "modded" car because the technical limitations would still be there, so just what is the point of that, except to exclude newcomers for absolutely no reason.

BTW, "sleepers" in a real racing environment? Subtley externally modfied, but much faster than they look tuned (or otherwise) cars?
Trackdays aren't motor-racing mate.

[geeman1]

OMG chopaholic just does not get it. LFS is racing sim (as in RACING) not some stupid tuning sim. You can go and play a game like GT4 or NFS if you want to tune cars and progress in a career. Yes, they do change bodyparts and performance parts in real life. But guess why they do it? To increase performance! That is way it just won't work in LFS because it is important that everyone has equal car so that racing is about skill not about how long have you played or how many credits you have earned.

Ontopic: I agree that the RAC dash needs updating, it's so hard to read the speedo on analog mode.

[Primoz]

...and a kitchen to finish.

THAT is THE MOST important thing! :D

If its a sim for real racing etc, It should have compatability to change engine and bodywork parts because they do that in real life, Or are you one of these know it all lfs'ers who has never been to any track days?

So yea because i want the sim to become more realistic in giving us options to race with i want tuning mods erm NO!

We should start with a stock car in n/a racing series and work up! As your team gets more cash your car/s get better, for example you should be able to work up from a xrg to a xrt spec engine But you should be able to uprate turbo's etc, JUST LIKE REAL RACE DRIVERS DO. Also engine conversions would be nice, so you can have sleepers. JUST LIKE REAL RACERS DO.

And on the subject of me wanting spoilers. Why not? ooh no hold on, shit your right, Race cars dont have spoilers and different rims.

http://www.ceo-racing.be/Illustraties/CEO%20RACING.jpg
:scratchch

Guess what, WTCC cars, BMW 3 series, Seat leon, Alfa 156 and Chevrolet Lacetti drive on the same rims with the same spoilers mroe or less the whole season. As it was said, different spoilers and bits and bobs are put on in some races in some championships, for example in F1. But they put TONS of money into development, the designers can let their imagination go wild. With 5 parts that you are limtied to, where one is faster than other, guess which one would be used most? Yup, the fastest one. No point in modding. More or less no point in changing rims. What for? race cars have 1 purpose. To go fast. If they look good, hey, even better! it's all about being light, having the most powerful engine and the best aerodynamics. Wheter it's all the same cars on the grid or only 2 from a team. All the design is driven towards going faster. If you want the car to look nice, go play need for Speed. Seriously.

[Hyperactive]

Basically I see nothing wrong with different kind of wheels as long as using one wheel type over another doesn't give any performance advance. Just some simple things, like different wheels, some skinned areas inside the car and maybe (few) different cockpit textures. I know it is eye candy but I see nothing bad if it is done well.

But no engine upgrades, bodykits nor stuff like that.

Maybe Sca(Vi)Er could make the cockpit update with a little tweak in it: Instead of having just one cockpit texture per car, we could have 4 or five (like the sidewalls) so the cars would look more different. And it is really not more work for Eric either because he doesn't need to make all those 4 or 5 cockpit textures, just one per car is all he has to do (like before). Just leave the possibility for the community to make some of their own and the possiblity to use them all at once. And the whole system would work like the sidewalls with kinda 4 or 5 empty slots for the textures, with one reserved with the Eric's texture. And it could be a part of the car color scheme, so you could choose the "interior texture" as part of the car color theme.

The question is, would it use too much graphics memory, but I doubt it wouldn't. Not sure though, as usual. And there should be the disable option as well :)

[Jakg]

...so instead of racing the car i want to race i have to unlock it and then tune it with the cash i earn? how pointless is that! you just don't get LFS, it's not about a career or tuning, it's about the RACING!

[chopaholic]

OMG chopaholic just does not get it. LFS is racing sim (as in RACING) not some stupid tuning sim. You can go and play a game like GT4 or NFS if you want to tune cars and progress in a career. Yes, they do change bodyparts and performance parts in real life. But guess why they do it? To increase performance! That is way it just won't work in LFS because it is important that everyone has equal car so that racing is about skill not about how long have you played or how many credits you have earned.


i take it you have read nothing i have wrote? ffs. Not every ****ing demo racer wants Nfs style stuff. Stop being a trend follower.

[Boris Lozac]

Come on guys, you are getting very boring with the same ol same ol comments, like "how do you know the S2 content if you are a demo racer", "how can you say that, when you only tried 3 cars and one track.. "
We all know that they all have the crack, and so what if they do.. it's their loss because they can't play S2 online..
And you all keep saying, "give the guy a break, he's working very hard"... well i totally agree on that! but what about that other guy..??! As i mentioned couple of times allready.. we HAD to get better looking cockpits a LOOONG time ago, that is really a MUST, but nothing happened.. and i don't think it will any time soon.. i hope i'm wrong..

[chopaholic]

so instead of racing the car i want to race i have to unlock it and then tune it with the cash i earn? how pointless is that! you just don't get LFS, it's not about a career or tuning, it's about the RACING!

i tell u what, i wont post no more about it, If lfs isnt open to any style of modding at all, you will soon find all the racers will get bored. And the people on this forum are a joke, They cant take anyones views and opinions into consideration unless thay have a s2 licence.

[chopaholic]

Come on guys, you are getting very boring with the same ol same ol comments, like "how do you know the S2 content if you are a demo racer", "how can you say that, when you only tried 3 cars and one track.. "
We all know that they all have the crack, and so what if they do.. it's their loss because they can't play S2 online..
And you all keep saying, "give the guy a break, he's working very hard"... well i totally agree on that! but what about that other guy..??! As i mentioned couple of times allready.. we HAD to get better looking cockpits a LOOONG time ago, that is really a MUST, but nothing happened.. and i don't think it will any time soon.. i hope i'm wrong..

Thank you someone who understands.

[Boris Lozac]

Maybe Sca(Vi)Er could make the cockpit update with a little tweak in it: Instead of having just one cockpit texture per car, we could have 4 or five (like the sidewalls) so the cars would look more different. And it is really not more work for Eric either because he doesn't need to make all those 4 or 5 cockpit textures, just one per car is all he has to do (like before). Just leave the possibility for the community to make some of their own and the possiblity to use them all at once. And the whole system would work like the sidewalls with kinda 4 or 5 empty slots for the textures, with one reserved with the Eric's texture. And it could be a part of the car color scheme, so you could choose the "interior texture" as part of the car color theme.

The question is, would it use too much graphics memory, but I doubt it wouldn't. Not sure though, as usual. And there should be the disable option as well :)

Well that is all very nice and VERY DOABLE!!.. but give the guy a break.. he did the cockpits 4 years ago, he needs to rest.. :tilt: :x :)

[Jakg]

...unless thay have a s2 licence.hold it there, if you READ my posts you would know why I object

no matter how much you try to hide it, your basically saying you win races to get money to upgrade your car (...in a non-ricey way). However you can't win a race because 3 other racers have the next engine. It will take years for you to afford their engine. You give up.

I like racing to be fair, and equal (yes, I am a flaming hypocrite, I drive an FXO in the STCC!), but I wouldn't object to a... test to "unlock" a class, which outlines the basics of how each car handles

[GFresh]

Hey Chop, you can do everything you want and more with THIS (http://www.granturismoworld.com/) game, plus if you buy it used you will have some change out of your £24.
Then, when you get bored of thrashing all the AI on it in your super tuned car, you can come back to LFS and do some real quality online racing :thumb:

I'm not having a dig at you here, it's just listening to what you want, I think you will be quite happy playing the game in the above link. No ricing, no updates, no competition!

[geeman1]

i take it you have read nothing i have wrote? ffs. Not every ****ing demo racer wants Nfs style stuff. Stop being a trend follower.I did read your posts. In them you descriped that you wanted LFS to be like GT4 or NFS (minus the arcade driving). And it's hard to take demo racers who basically want more content seriously. I'll leave it to you to think why.

[tristancliffe]

The rim is only a very small part of the wheel, and is more often than not plain. Changing it would only effect the ability of the bead to seat/seal on the wheel, and perhaps a tiny change in inertia.

Unless of course you meant the wheel, and were just too silly to know the difference between a wheel and a wheel rim.

If you want silly different wheels just to look different then you've missed the point of LFS. Same with tuning - absolutely no need, and wouldn't make LFS any better whatsoever.

Stick with the demo ;)

[AndroidXP]

I have to agree with Boris here - it doesn't make any sense bashing this guy. The current situation is not going to change, no matter what he thinks or what we say.

If he doesn't like LFS the way it is and therefore limits himself to demo then it's his loss. S2 being the same as demo with more cars and tracks, from a racing-quality point of view, couldn't be further away from the truth, but maybe that was his experience, which is very well possible if you make the error of joining an all-cars-enabled server.
So he wants more free content for the demo, or feature XY in S2 first before he buys - well, guess what, thousands of other demo players want that too. Did any of these wishes change the way Scawen does his job? No. It didn't before and it won't in the future.

So what if we get S3 in three years with fully editable content, awsome graphics, full damage/weather/aero/physics model, Nordschleife and 20 new cars? If he buys then, not only wouldn't he have saved anything - it will still be £36 - but he would have wasted three years NOT playing S2. And here comes the shocker: it would've been his loss, not ours. Why do we even bother? Why did I even write this post? Seriously, I forgot while typing :( :D

[RAYfighter]

ROFL Android!